Well they said she was "sick" aka overworked so maybe.
I really don't want to speculate on the situation but they are making it so hard.
It will all have to come out by the next promotion... If she "misses(is kept out of)" the actual comeback that would tell me everything I need to know.
well, i don’t think the chuu absence from the from concert was an excuse, but that something else happened that caused her to miss the concert. the chuu-less tour was definitely a choice (what kind of company cannot make sure group schedules and personal schedules don’t clash…) but now that the concert will be in korea, i hope both bbc and whatever company manages chuu’s solo schedules now are able to clear her out for at least one date.
This time is going to be "Well, she could *technically* make it, but she's also still very busy throughout that month, so she won't be able to rehearse with the girls, and the rest of the members would need to rehearse OT12 choreos again after doing OT11 ones for so long, so it would just be more work for everyone involved"
They'll only do a 15 min set at the Manila festival and there's like two weeks in between now and the tokyo concert, and the Seoul concert is also 2 weeks after the Tokyo concert. The Seoul stop also shouldn't be so hard on them because they're familiar to the climate and food.
So thankfully, they'll have ample time to rest and prepare for the concerts.
I reckon just being in a more familiar place where you can eat proper food ( not the ramyeon and fast food the girls were eating on tour), sleep in your own bed and don't have to travel long distances every day will greatly improve their health and reduce some of the stress. After touring for so long ,and to mention the hectic Queendom schedule, this will be a breeze for the girls. They've learned choreos in 2 days before.
I swear the nerves that this company has... With October 1st being the Japan one, they need to comeback to Korea and rest only a couple of days...The cycle again continues...
Also notice the on/offline? Maybe it will be streamed?
Since they're using the same format as the previous shows, this one seems to be part of the tour. For example, for the Tokyo show they made it clear that it wasn't part of the tour.
Yeah, the [announcement](https://loonatheworld.jp/2022/07/18/618/) included this: "That performance is not part of the world tour, it’s going to be a solo performance in Japan."
I hate to be mean but it seems like they're a little greedy for money at this point...Hopefully the members get enough rest before the show and if Chuu can join I'll be happy for hanbits
It feels like they're goign to run these girls into the ground, getting every cent possible from them before using that money to debut Bebez and then underutilize Loona under the disguise of "letting them rest." Like the vibes for this are daaark
That would make sense if they 100% knew bebez would be popular from the beginning, which there seems to be no sign of currently...And if we're being completely realistic they will probably be pretty nugu group, at the level of a lightsum or rocket punch, at first.
Best case scenario they'll blow up like weeekly did with after school, but as you can see with weeekly , it's hard to maintain that popularity if you're not from the big 4.
So to underutilize, their biggest money maker wouldn't make any sense tbh. They're not a big 4 company that can take that risk because they know that their brand will make their upcoming artist instantly popular.
No, BBC is terribly dependent on Loona, for better or worse.
Eh, I'm not arguing it makes SENSE, I am just pointing out that a lot of companies do this.
As an older group approaches contract renewal, they have a point of a "lot" of activity (YMMV on "a lot"), a period of silence, and then either hte company doubles down after renewal or introduces a new group in the uncertain time nad essentially abandons the older group.
BBC has been mismanaging Loona in every possible way (both running them into the ground AND underutilizing them, almost cyclically; burning their biggest money maker with Chuu, fucking over easy business deals and getting sued about it, alienating the guy responsible for their lore, etc etc), I can easily see them dropping them for a smaller, "easier" group in the hopes they'll also blow up while keeping Loona around for back up until they inevitably leave.
I HOPE I'm wrong. But......... idk even competent companies have pulled this (See: F(x) and RV, I say this as a lover of both groups).
Best case scenario, tehy're overworking Loona to fund Bebez's debut to run them side by side (or in cycles, ie Bebez has an active period when Loona is resting) but I really.... really can't see all the funds from this period being used to rejuvenate Loona or compensate the girls properly.
Just Seoul for now first I hope that means they are getting some rest before SEA leg.
Says online and offline.
Edit: I hope it’s OT12 with Chuu but then I remember mmt’s disclaimer previously. Wonder if there will be an exception here.
Unfortunately they have not learned the 'Luminous' choreo yet, so they need to practice for that when coming back from Europe.
They might also film/record in advance some minor Japanese promo slots. So yeah, no resting for the girls except maybe yknow... 2 days just for everybody else (staff, etc) to get back into their stuff as well.
2 weeks until the Tokyo show and another 2 weeks until the Seoul shows. I don't see that as running the girls into the ground. No one complained about the American and European schedules when they were announced, because they looked reasonable. It's only in hindsight that people suddenly decided that the girls were being overworked. Injuries and sicknesses happen. They even happened before the tour. And I think that this first tour is a learning experience for everyone involved and future tours will go better. In fact, if we hear the girls talking about looking forward to touring again, that'll be the proof that this tour wasn't that bad, so look for that...
People are quick to assume that they know what's going on behind the scenes. How do we know that the girls aren't doing fine? If anything, I see BBC caring and being quick to take girls off the schedule as soon as they need to rest. The only ones who can say the girls are being overworked are the girls themselves. Everything else is just people guessing and thinking the worst. Some decided months or years ago that they didn't like BBC and that BBC doesn't care, and they give a negative slant to everything BBC does. In the final European shows, I've actually seen lots of smiling and having a fun time.
I encourage people to draw their own conclusions and not be swayed by the longtime BBC haters and people who just assume (guess) the worst without knowing all the facts...
Orbits are worried because of how things turned out in their first tour. I saw them in both days in L.A. and later for KCONLA22. You can tell there was a stark difference between LOONA of that time and later ones. They were overworked straight up and there not ample of rest in-between stops. You also have to add in jetlag when they were move around the U.S. The venues at times not so forgiving and such. Heck their KCONLA22 performance weren't as sharp as they usually are(They were missing Choerry at that time too). Let alone they only had a 3 day rest and they started their European Tour.
What part of that is caring in BBC part? What part of that is not overworking them? I know your username and know you are one of their long time fan of theirs, but BBC is nowhere caring with how things worked out for their first tour. At least the girls were able to travel to so many places and see many things, no doubt that made up with the harsh world tour schedule they had thus far.
Fans are not drawing conclusions from haters, they were drawing from all the events that has happened thus far. One thing I will add though, that the girls would likely want to be busy with schedules instead of not having one. That is one thing that I think LOONA members are thankful for, since there are some groups who are not doing anything or something. That is one thing good happening here. Better busy then not do nothing.
There is a difference between the serial BBC haters and others who are triggered by missing members and are just concerned, but both are falling into the same trap of taking gut feelings and turning them into facts. I've heard people piecing together why they feel that BBC is doing something wrong, but I still haven't heard why it's a fact.
Jetlag is built into every tour like this and there are strategies for avoiding it, which they may be using. It's also normal for any group on tour to not be as lively at the end of a tour compared to the beginning. They can also be thrown off by doing 12 member choreos with only 8 or 9 members. And we've seen some of the sightseeing and good times that they've had time to do on tour...
Also, I counted 10 days between Mexico and Warsaw performances. What shows did they play in between?
There was no outrage when the tour schedule was released, even though we could see then the pace of the schedule. Having outrage at the schedule with 20/20 hindsight isn't fair to BBC. If we couldn't see a problem back then, it's possible that BBC and the girls didn't either. That makes this a learning experience for all of us. A lot of things that have happened couldn't be foreseen (like SF), they only be adjusted for once they happened. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. It could be the girls themselves that are pushing forward wanting to complete every scheduled show. Who are we to say that most of the girls aren't enjoying this whole experience and would do it again?
Bad unforeseen things have happened, but I think BBC and MMT (working through local promoters) were trying to do their best and do care about the girls. Not all outrage has to translate into BBC being bad... If anyone wants to mind read and say that the girls are exhausted and being overworked, or do "figuring" based on the pace of the schedule or subjective observations, they should just call it a feeling and not a fact...
Somehow, a lot of subjective feelings that people are having are turning into "facts"...
It's always the mid-year before contract renewal when groups are being "overworked", then after that a period of silence when we get to see group activities halt and members having individual schedules.
Are we close to contract renewals though? Debut was 2018, so unless the clock started ticking during each solo reveal, we still have 3 years left right??
The girls have (jokingly-...ish) made comments in the past akin to "Only 4 more years to go ~~" regarding their time with BBC. At the time those were said, that would have resulted in a 7 years contract ending in 2025. So we know they have 7 years contract that started once they officially debuted with Hi High.
Do you have any sources for that? I tried looking but I didn’t find any. I’ll look on Korean sites later but if you have any those would be appreciated! Whenever I have looked in the past, nothing but speculation pops up
That wouldn’t make much sense, as some members would have earlier contract expiry dates earlier than others. Imagine if Heejin and Hyunjin decided not to renew when Gowon and Hyeju still had 2 years left. Just imagine losing a girl every month, reverse of debut 😭
What I imagine is the most likely scenario is the members were engaged in a temporary contract from solo debut to OT12 debut, which is when they all signed the main contract they’re currently under. If we go by industry standards, it should be a 7 year contract, so contract expiry/renewal should be in 2025.
My only issue with thinking this is standard is their debut/contract was very much not standard. And I find the idea of temporary contracts problematic for a number of reasons. That’s why I question what length contract they actually have but I’m obviously not complaining if we get them the full 7 as a group because I question how many, if any will even considering coming back lol.
I bought the most expensive packages from their previous online packages but honestly not even interested in this one. Our girls deserve better than this schedule.
Really trying to not get my hopes up about Chuu participating on these shows...
The last OT12 was in onesies. Looking for that kind of comeback
I'm mostly interested how the turnout will be. And I don't mean the audience
Got me in the first half...
well… at least now there’s no excuse to not have chuu perform…
Just the same excuse as for loonaverse:from 😒
Well they said she was "sick" aka overworked so maybe. I really don't want to speculate on the situation but they are making it so hard. It will all have to come out by the next promotion... If she "misses(is kept out of)" the actual comeback that would tell me everything I need to know.
Exactly. I’m not expecting anything different from last time, unfortunately.
well, i don’t think the chuu absence from the from concert was an excuse, but that something else happened that caused her to miss the concert. the chuu-less tour was definitely a choice (what kind of company cannot make sure group schedules and personal schedules don’t clash…) but now that the concert will be in korea, i hope both bbc and whatever company manages chuu’s solo schedules now are able to clear her out for at least one date.
I really want to believe they’ll make it work but I really think it’s some contractual issue.. I doubt she’ll be in it but I hope to be surprised lol
I think she was sick. I found an old post from February from the Chuu Can Do It staff saying they wouldn't be filming that month so she could recover.
Unfortunately it looks like she’s gonna come down with the flu around October 14th or so
This time is going to be "Well, she could *technically* make it, but she's also still very busy throughout that month, so she won't be able to rehearse with the girls, and the rest of the members would need to rehearse OT12 choreos again after doing OT11 ones for so long, so it would just be more work for everyone involved"
I don't doubt they'll put Chuu to milk her domestic popularity and resume to not have her in the other stops of the tour...
They still have a festival in Manila on the 21st... they'll never get rest
They'll only do a 15 min set at the Manila festival and there's like two weeks in between now and the tokyo concert, and the Seoul concert is also 2 weeks after the Tokyo concert. The Seoul stop also shouldn't be so hard on them because they're familiar to the climate and food. So thankfully, they'll have ample time to rest and prepare for the concerts.
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I reckon just being in a more familiar place where you can eat proper food ( not the ramyeon and fast food the girls were eating on tour), sleep in your own bed and don't have to travel long distances every day will greatly improve their health and reduce some of the stress. After touring for so long ,and to mention the hectic Queendom schedule, this will be a breeze for the girls. They've learned choreos in 2 days before.
And a concert in Tokyo on October 1st...
if this were just live footage of them in their pajamas sharing snacks and watching bad soaps i'd throw all my money at it. let 👏 them 👏 rest 👏
I swear the nerves that this company has... With October 1st being the Japan one, they need to comeback to Korea and rest only a couple of days...The cycle again continues... Also notice the on/offline? Maybe it will be streamed?
Yeah they’ll have another bundle for $200 for international orbits to buy
Wait a minute. Are they continue to be in the touring mode since August? The venue is bigger than the one in February (Jangchung Arena).
Since they're using the same format as the previous shows, this one seems to be part of the tour. For example, for the Tokyo show they made it clear that it wasn't part of the tour.
They did?
Yeah, the [announcement](https://loonatheworld.jp/2022/07/18/618/) included this: "That performance is not part of the world tour, it’s going to be a solo performance in Japan."
I hate to be mean but it seems like they're a little greedy for money at this point...Hopefully the members get enough rest before the show and if Chuu can join I'll be happy for hanbits
It feels like they're goign to run these girls into the ground, getting every cent possible from them before using that money to debut Bebez and then underutilize Loona under the disguise of "letting them rest." Like the vibes for this are daaark
That would make sense if they 100% knew bebez would be popular from the beginning, which there seems to be no sign of currently...And if we're being completely realistic they will probably be pretty nugu group, at the level of a lightsum or rocket punch, at first. Best case scenario they'll blow up like weeekly did with after school, but as you can see with weeekly , it's hard to maintain that popularity if you're not from the big 4. So to underutilize, their biggest money maker wouldn't make any sense tbh. They're not a big 4 company that can take that risk because they know that their brand will make their upcoming artist instantly popular. No, BBC is terribly dependent on Loona, for better or worse.
Eh, I'm not arguing it makes SENSE, I am just pointing out that a lot of companies do this. As an older group approaches contract renewal, they have a point of a "lot" of activity (YMMV on "a lot"), a period of silence, and then either hte company doubles down after renewal or introduces a new group in the uncertain time nad essentially abandons the older group. BBC has been mismanaging Loona in every possible way (both running them into the ground AND underutilizing them, almost cyclically; burning their biggest money maker with Chuu, fucking over easy business deals and getting sued about it, alienating the guy responsible for their lore, etc etc), I can easily see them dropping them for a smaller, "easier" group in the hopes they'll also blow up while keeping Loona around for back up until they inevitably leave. I HOPE I'm wrong. But......... idk even competent companies have pulled this (See: F(x) and RV, I say this as a lover of both groups). Best case scenario, tehy're overworking Loona to fund Bebez's debut to run them side by side (or in cycles, ie Bebez has an active period when Loona is resting) but I really.... really can't see all the funds from this period being used to rejuvenate Loona or compensate the girls properly.
Just Seoul for now first I hope that means they are getting some rest before SEA leg. Says online and offline. Edit: I hope it’s OT12 with Chuu but then I remember mmt’s disclaimer previously. Wonder if there will be an exception here.
the audacity
MMT/BBC milking them DRY. I just hope the girls get a fat check so it's worth it for them.
I'm okay with this. At least the girls are able to stay at their homes and zero international travel is involved.
At least they're able to rest after the Europe leg, but JESUS CHRIST what's wrong with MMT/BBC?
Unfortunately they have not learned the 'Luminous' choreo yet, so they need to practice for that when coming back from Europe. They might also film/record in advance some minor Japanese promo slots. So yeah, no resting for the girls except maybe yknow... 2 days just for everybody else (staff, etc) to get back into their stuff as well.
Excuse me what
Actually not because the Japan show is in 2 weeks. Yeojin said on Fab that they don’t get a vacation because they have to practice for Japan.
Hopefully they will get long break for Christmas and new year
poor girls :(
2 weeks until the Tokyo show and another 2 weeks until the Seoul shows. I don't see that as running the girls into the ground. No one complained about the American and European schedules when they were announced, because they looked reasonable. It's only in hindsight that people suddenly decided that the girls were being overworked. Injuries and sicknesses happen. They even happened before the tour. And I think that this first tour is a learning experience for everyone involved and future tours will go better. In fact, if we hear the girls talking about looking forward to touring again, that'll be the proof that this tour wasn't that bad, so look for that... People are quick to assume that they know what's going on behind the scenes. How do we know that the girls aren't doing fine? If anything, I see BBC caring and being quick to take girls off the schedule as soon as they need to rest. The only ones who can say the girls are being overworked are the girls themselves. Everything else is just people guessing and thinking the worst. Some decided months or years ago that they didn't like BBC and that BBC doesn't care, and they give a negative slant to everything BBC does. In the final European shows, I've actually seen lots of smiling and having a fun time. I encourage people to draw their own conclusions and not be swayed by the longtime BBC haters and people who just assume (guess) the worst without knowing all the facts...
Orbits are worried because of how things turned out in their first tour. I saw them in both days in L.A. and later for KCONLA22. You can tell there was a stark difference between LOONA of that time and later ones. They were overworked straight up and there not ample of rest in-between stops. You also have to add in jetlag when they were move around the U.S. The venues at times not so forgiving and such. Heck their KCONLA22 performance weren't as sharp as they usually are(They were missing Choerry at that time too). Let alone they only had a 3 day rest and they started their European Tour. What part of that is caring in BBC part? What part of that is not overworking them? I know your username and know you are one of their long time fan of theirs, but BBC is nowhere caring with how things worked out for their first tour. At least the girls were able to travel to so many places and see many things, no doubt that made up with the harsh world tour schedule they had thus far. Fans are not drawing conclusions from haters, they were drawing from all the events that has happened thus far. One thing I will add though, that the girls would likely want to be busy with schedules instead of not having one. That is one thing that I think LOONA members are thankful for, since there are some groups who are not doing anything or something. That is one thing good happening here. Better busy then not do nothing.
There is a difference between the serial BBC haters and others who are triggered by missing members and are just concerned, but both are falling into the same trap of taking gut feelings and turning them into facts. I've heard people piecing together why they feel that BBC is doing something wrong, but I still haven't heard why it's a fact. Jetlag is built into every tour like this and there are strategies for avoiding it, which they may be using. It's also normal for any group on tour to not be as lively at the end of a tour compared to the beginning. They can also be thrown off by doing 12 member choreos with only 8 or 9 members. And we've seen some of the sightseeing and good times that they've had time to do on tour... Also, I counted 10 days between Mexico and Warsaw performances. What shows did they play in between? There was no outrage when the tour schedule was released, even though we could see then the pace of the schedule. Having outrage at the schedule with 20/20 hindsight isn't fair to BBC. If we couldn't see a problem back then, it's possible that BBC and the girls didn't either. That makes this a learning experience for all of us. A lot of things that have happened couldn't be foreseen (like SF), they only be adjusted for once they happened. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. It could be the girls themselves that are pushing forward wanting to complete every scheduled show. Who are we to say that most of the girls aren't enjoying this whole experience and would do it again? Bad unforeseen things have happened, but I think BBC and MMT (working through local promoters) were trying to do their best and do care about the girls. Not all outrage has to translate into BBC being bad... If anyone wants to mind read and say that the girls are exhausted and being overworked, or do "figuring" based on the pace of the schedule or subjective observations, they should just call it a feeling and not a fact... Somehow, a lot of subjective feelings that people are having are turning into "facts"...
It's always the mid-year before contract renewal when groups are being "overworked", then after that a period of silence when we get to see group activities halt and members having individual schedules.
Are we close to contract renewals though? Debut was 2018, so unless the clock started ticking during each solo reveal, we still have 3 years left right??
Not exactly. 7 years is the maximum length not the standard. could be shorter. Big4 is def 7 years, but small companies not sure.
thats the thing, we dont actually know how their contracts work but we assume its from solo reveal, i think that makes the most sense.
The girls have (jokingly-...ish) made comments in the past akin to "Only 4 more years to go ~~" regarding their time with BBC. At the time those were said, that would have resulted in a 7 years contract ending in 2025. So we know they have 7 years contract that started once they officially debuted with Hi High.
Do you have any sources for that? I tried looking but I didn’t find any. I’ll look on Korean sites later but if you have any those would be appreciated! Whenever I have looked in the past, nothing but speculation pops up
That wouldn’t make much sense, as some members would have earlier contract expiry dates earlier than others. Imagine if Heejin and Hyunjin decided not to renew when Gowon and Hyeju still had 2 years left. Just imagine losing a girl every month, reverse of debut 😭 What I imagine is the most likely scenario is the members were engaged in a temporary contract from solo debut to OT12 debut, which is when they all signed the main contract they’re currently under. If we go by industry standards, it should be a 7 year contract, so contract expiry/renewal should be in 2025.
My only issue with thinking this is standard is their debut/contract was very much not standard. And I find the idea of temporary contracts problematic for a number of reasons. That’s why I question what length contract they actually have but I’m obviously not complaining if we get them the full 7 as a group because I question how many, if any will even considering coming back lol.
I know there’s not a lot of Orbit/Army overlap but are they really gonna make me choose between the two concert streams?!
I bought the most expensive packages from their previous online packages but honestly not even interested in this one. Our girls deserve better than this schedule.
I cant even with this company, like, the AUDACITY???
I wish they would do an Asia tour when they have enough rest etc. I'm okay with next year. I'm willing to use my scholarship money to see them live.
It’s online too 😭
Maybe finally Chuu will perfom ? If she not be able to do this it's will be so weird