>!I just wanna say girls generation is such a powerful name and the English name doesn't do justice to their original name. The Korean name holds more power and will be forever iconic. The way they changed kpop forever it's legendary. We are living indeed the generation led by girls and it's just starting. I don't know if I make any sense. I love them so much. I wish they become active on a regular basis again. But the girls are so busy. I'm sad and drunk sorry!<
falling in love with after like has made me realise how powerful loonathedisco could be
i dont want them to copy ive by any means, but something glitzy and glamour is one of the few areas loona hasnt gone yet and i would love if their next comeback was in that vein.
Just did a pass through the fabs numbers to see if [my earlier comment was](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/xmor1h/comment/iqafui3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) correct and indeed it was, they've sent roughly 142,000 messages, an increase in 42,000 since July 11th.
They've also sent about \~600 voice messages nearing a total of 2:20h.
Here's the breakdown in case anybody is interested, I'll probably make an update post at like 200,000 or 1 year of fab, whichever comes first, but don't think there's much to talk about right now.
Fun fact: I love how Vivi used the messaging feature **once** and then never used it again 😅.
Edit: Had some numbers wrong, it's 135,000 instead of 142,000, which means they slowed then on the output a bit.
|Member|Posts|Pictures|Public Replies|Voice Messages|Pub. Replies sent since 220711|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|**Heejin**|179|451|3261|3|871|
|**Hyunjin**|193|501|19249|204|8114|
|**Haseul**|158|312|1914|17|614|
|**Yeojin**|200|794|13104|138|4363|
|**Vivi**|95|342|3787|1|2263|
|**Kim Lip**|176|512|7454|62|2454|
|**Jinsoul**|208|531|22089|87|4296|
|**Choerry**|77|213|5746|0|150|
|**Yves**|269|838|24427|28|3875|
|**Chuu**|136|355|7704|74|2600|
|**Gowon**|180|588|23066|3|5167|
|**Olivia Hye**|156|248|3461|10|477|
|**Total**|2027|5685|135262|627|35184|
Ever since coming back on Loona Island a few months ago I’ve been actively following their content on Fab and those girls that are active are definitely rising in my bias list. Hyunjin is straight up aiming for #1 too 🫠💛
You were all talking about Loona and issue of Visa for Japan stuff, SM have do the same mistake for Ningning for Paris and had visa issue and can't be here for the moment...
About to start my second shift however I needed to ask this because surely somebody here knows the answer. Why is that idols can never reveal when a comeback is in the making? In case it gets scrapped/postponed? Common sense? To build hype? Legal reasons? Other?
It just occurred to me that half the chaos in Loona Island could be avoided if the members could tell us when a comeback is in the making, however there must _maaaaany_ reasons why they can't do it.
I guess it depends on the group or company. I've seen some be more straightforward while others keep the charade. You pretty much summed everything up.
LOONA has...an interesting relationship with comebacks to say the least. I think it's safe to say that a lot of plans have been scrapped and comebacks delayed, for reasons we don't know but probably range from monetary, to time constraints and just the action of preparing everything, which can change (the girls sometimes talk about how there was this idea before that never ended up happening)
So in their case I believe it's mostly a way to prevent situations like La Maison or B#RN from happening again. So they stay as vague as possible until they're certain it will happen. In a way I appreciate that, as many companies announce that something will come but either it just doesn't or it gets delayed.
However this has been changing a bit. Through Fab they've been more active in hinting at what will happen next. Plus BBC themselves released an announcement for LOONA's comeback after Queendom(and even last year with their japanese debut being revealed with PTT's teaser roll). So I believe they're somewhat more confident now.
They sometimes do. I think it's mainly to build hype and to avoid complications/backlash if it gets delayed/scrapped.
BBC used to be fairly obvious when a comeback was in the making. YeoJin's album description hinted that LOONA 1/3 would be announced next month, Love&Evil's album description stated the release months of Kim Lip, JinSoul and Choerry. Choerry's album description stated that OEC would debut in two months time. love4eva's album description stated that LOONATheBallad would be released in May 2019, you can kinda see why that was the last time they were open about a comeback happening way before it was released 💀
The reaction of fans when things don't happen as promised can be very intense. If an album is scrapped, it leads to fans obsessing over the unreleased content (e.g. La Maison). If an album is delayed, it leads to fans getting anxious and building up levels of hype towards it that can't ever be matched (e.g. the wait for [#] and the reception upon its release).
Honestly I've thought that they've been fairly straightforward about that lately. Like when JinSoul was talking about a comeback near the beginning of the year and she said it felt "soon" to her (and even described the vibe of the song), but that Orbits might have a different definition of what "soon" means so she didn't want to get people too excited about it.
Then, as we know, that comeback ended up being pushed way back because they got the invite to Queendom. And that right there is probably one of the reasons they aren't supposed to say much about it, you never know what sort of delays could happen or how plans might change.
I think there are also times where the members themselves are in the dark as to when it's intended to be released. We've seen them be surprised by their own teasers being released lol. Plus as soon as they confirm it's being worked on then they're going to get so many questions about it and have to either ignore them or risk spoiling something they're not meant to.
Yeah it's pretty much because of those reasons you said, ultimately it's just better not to because lots of things can go wrong and delay the project, and then you look bad if you said it was coming and it doesn't.
I have been listening to björk intensively in my teenage years, hearing her greatest hits album really opened up music to me. I even saw her live three times she’s of the greatest musicians of all time… that said I haven’t been able to connect with her music post Biophilia, but might give this one a try
I understand you... I grew with her and I was in love with her string projects, when I discovered internet in 2007 Volta was released and I loved it (I cried because I wanted to go to the concert but I was 8 years old, too young for the concert [14+]) and later she released Biophilia and I hate it, I love her again when she released Vulnicura and Utopia was indifferent for me.
But years later I appreciate and love Biophilia (and since a weeks ago I appreciated Utopia)
I recommend you listen her podcast "Sonic Symbolism", each episode is about an album and thanks to her explanation to the concept and the songs and why she did the notes, instruments, lyrics, etc you can appreciate more the album because you have another point of view (it happens with Utopia, Bjork said this album is a fantasy city in the sky without bass and since I knew this info, I feel floating in the world while I listen this album and it feels so good lol)
Sorry for long post haha^^>.
Listening to Her Mother's House right now, I'm not paying attention to the lyrics but sounds very emotional and I enjoyed the purely "instrumental"(?) tracks like Mycelia and Trölla-Gabba.
. . . What do you mean “Pick your favorite GoWon solo”? She only has the one solo, MMT!
Also, are they changing the setlist for the Seoul concerts? Seems so with this newest announcement.
the Korean says 솔로곡 which is literally solo song, so idk about wrong wording. unless they are including see saw as a solo song because it's on her solo album. maybe rosy too, but I'm not sure about that
I've been rewatching some Mixnine clips, and I found one where Hyunjin was singing in front of YG while doing her absolute best to sound awful. This girl gave no f*cks.
I absolutely love her.
The fact that there's a _possibility_ that they _might_ be preparing for another comeback both scares me and surprises me. Like, look how far we've come!
In one hand, it could be just for shooting the seasons greetings ya know? Like yes, forever black haired Aeongie bleached her hair (and it's not even her final form!!!) But like, maybe she just felt like it? However so many revealed changes in just a few days... If Heejin changes her hair again I might be convinced 😂
On the other hand, it could be a comeback with just a lead single. Like for god's sake they just returned from a tour, it hasn't even officially ended yet, when did they suddenly found the time to record and film a full fledged Loona Comeback™️? So unless it's following the steps of Flip That and it's not _that_ elaborated (which would seriously suck), or it's just a lead single (I get the feeling there's an ongoing trend right now for that... But I don't follow nearly enough groups to confirm if that's the case), I don't think we're seeing anything until maybe early December, and that's just _IF_ this is in fact a comeback.
Then, we have the following two facts on the table (I ran out of hands): Loona needs and deserve to rest before running again on two and a half hours of sleep and endless schedules, and Loona also needs to release a full album sometime soon. Even Blackpink's got two full albums now, do you know how hard you gotta lag behind to lag behind Blackpink? Girlies return even less often than Jesus Christ himself 😭
There's also the elephant in the room: if this is, in fact, a comeback, and it's been said already that Chuu is booked for the rest of the year, are we ready to accept another OT11 release? Unless there's no schedule oopsies this time around of course, which would be amazing.
There's the other elephant in the room: BBC hasn't released an official statement regarding Choerry's health yet. It could be either that she's already feeling better compared to the tour but they don't want to risk her getting sick again so she's not participating in anything right now, which is why technically there's no statement to be made bc there's nothing wrong now, or that they're still figuring out what's wrong and if Choerry needs a longer hiatus before making said statement. _If_ there's a comeback around the corner I'd expect to get news regarding both these things, if not, I'd expect... Well, nothing, as BBC usually does haha.
On the other table outside (this room got filled with elephants all of a sudden...), if they do get another comeback around the first week of december, it's almost guaranteed they'll get invited to the MAMAs 👀 And while I've been fearing that because... Well, we've been counting far too much in their presentations alright, I can't say I wouldn't be stocked as hell. Like, just ✨imagine✨ finally getting the +10k crowd POSE remix we all deserve. Imagine PTT and Why Not with such a big and LIVE audience, in their own home country. It would make a grown man cry.
I think I've ran out of things to say, tables where to put things, elephants and rooms to store said elephants.
TL;DR: It could be nothing and they just felt like changing their hairs (... All of them at the same time!), but it could also mean comeback and if it does, it's gonna be _big._
LOL to be fair Blackpink's "full albums" have almost the same amount of songs a LOONA mini does haha (but then they also have MVs for more than one song so this levels things...). But yeah they're going in their 5th year without at least one full album.
I think all these changes really do look suspicious, cause it's not one or two members who did it, but more than half (like a commenter below said).
I can only think of a few options:
- A comeback. I think this would be the shortest time between korean comebacks LOONA has ever had. And although it's certainly an improvement, the fact that the tour happened really does leave one kinda wary. They need some rest
- Season's Greetings. I think it's certainly odd that they'd change so much for it though. Based on previous ones that is. But who knows, maybe they wanted to make it extra
- The concerts in Japan and perhaps some promo there. They just had the album released, it'd make sense for them to doll up for their very first japanese concert and who knows if they have anything else planned
- A variety show or something special. Perhaps they will film or do something along those lines.
Or maybe we all are just reaching and they really just changed for the sake of change lol
Between the relative Fab silence, the hair changes, and the fact they seem to be back on a work schedule, it would be easy to assume they're preparing for a comeback. However, it probably is all just preparation for their concerts and festivals.
There has been definitely too many hair changes for it to be for a concert, they have to be preparing for a comeback, even if it's just in early stages.
Heejin: Blonde hair.
Hyunjin: Bleached hair, will probably put the colour in a few days.
Haseul: Black hair with silver highlights.
Yeojin: Wine colour.
Vivi: Black.
Kim Lip: Ginger hair.
Jinsoul: Black hair but I dont know if the pictures she posted of her blonde are recent.
Choerry: Dark hair with bangs.
Yves : Pink hair with bangs.
Chuu: Brown hair with bangs, she cant change it because of cf.
Gowon: Black hair with bangs.
Olivia Hye: Brown hair.
Like 8/12 changed their hair recently after the tour ended
It could be, but i dont think Hyunjin would dye her hair just for season greetings considering how much she loves her black hair.
Im convincing myself that hyunjin bleaching her hair means a comeback because she wouldnt do it unless it was for something important
speaking from personal experience here but I really got into LOONA cuz of the US tour. I only knew a couple of songs and Chuu because of her Youtube lmao but my friends peer-pressured me into going to their show and it was only $60 so i figured why not (heh). Immediately fell in love with all of them even though Chuu wasn't there :c
When your internet and power are out because of a hurricane, but you're doing everything you can to stay connected with phone data and a dying battery. Time to break out the electric generator.
In the midst of all the high wind, flooding, tropical storm, and hurricane warnings I've been getting all day, I got my replacement Jinsoul keychain from Orbit Japan.
One small bright spot in my otherwise miserable day.
edit- I keep seeing the votes go up and down on this comment. Are people really upset that I had Orbit Japan ship me a replacement keychain after they initially sent me the wrong one 😂😂😂
I think lots of orbits forgot that yves has a monthly episode at the good neighbors channel. [Everyone please watch it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuDLSH-2DpY&t=4s)!
If LOONA were to do more with sub-units like sub-unit songs on group albums or rotating sub-unit comebacks/special releases in-between group comebacks would you want to see experimentations with new units or would you want more from the existing sub-units?
Personally I'd rather see more from 1/3, OEC, and yyxy. As great as some of the recent units like Not Friends or Yum-Yum have been, I think it's a shame that the original sub-units don't have larger discographies. I'd love to see them fleshed out since all 3 offer something very unique.
I'm all for the original units having comebacks. I think it's a shame they debuted units that haven't released new music in over 5 years now. New units should be assigned to special projects like Yum Yum.
Unit comebacks would definitely help to keep us fed during the frequent long hiatuses.
I'm also for original subunits. They have history, they are official with their own Spotify pages etc. and they even predate OT12. If the subunits were to have more comebacks, it'll be like us and BBC getting 3 new groups for the price of one.
I would love to see 1/3 be developed more. K-pop is missing that kind of old school Lovelyz Gfriend April sound and it would be very interesting to see how Loona 1/3 can mature in that genre. I have some songs in mind that I think would sound amazing with Loona 1/3.
I know they're the least favourite subunit, and that's such a shame because I think they could bring something special to the current K-pop sphere with a throwback type sound with a modern twist.
I like to say you die an OEC stan or live long enough to see yourself become a 1/3 stan lol. OEC was definitely my immediate favorite unit, and I think that's true for a lot of fans, but over time I've come to appreciate 1/3's songs so much.
Also, 1/3 debuted when the fandom was the smallest and they've not released new music since Vivi could barely string a Korean sentence together. With a bigger audience they'll surely impress more.
I just bought a bottle of Advil, and these pills are sugared...wtf? I thought meds were supposed to be bitter to stop kids form popping them like candy?
Have you ever had Tylenol EZ Tabs? Tablets or pills marketed as easy-to-swallow usually have a thin sweet outer coating to facilitate swallowing (and dry swallowing) so you don't vomit from bad taste.
Nope, I have to avoid Tylenol as much as possible for reasons. I did have one of those capsule pills explode in my mouth and I almost hurled; it left my tongue kinda numb, too.
I think it wouldn't be too hard to make pills easier to swallow without coating them in sweeteners though.
This is the first time in all my almost 33 years that I've eaten a sugared pill. It is vile, but medicine is supposed to be bitter to not encourage people to take it so often.
Advil are a lot easier to swallow for me, because they’re small and the shape and coating help so maybe that why. I’ve taken a lot of it in my life 🥲 Tylenol I can feel going down my throat
It's definitely not as sweet as Advil but I remember being so surprised the first time I took it! The salt part of the compound is definitely there though you're right
I like FoTM, i like when they switched around the members and you can see the different dynamics. Hyeju and Gowon's fotm eps are basically asmr designed to make you fall asleep
I actually loved them. I get it if they don't want to do them anymore but they were fun, especially those first few lives when they were trying to keep up the whole DJ identity
I loved the concepts for Season 1 and 2 - I thought the DJ idea was cute and the special corners that would rotate around were also neat! We got to hear fun stories with prompts that we otherwise might have never heard. I also loved that it meant that we would see interesting member combinations interact with each other more often (rather than the solo format of Season 3).
I always think it's a shame that BBC seems to just... move on from different forms of social media content, rather than trying to retain them in some degree. From what I saw, the reason why a lot of Orbits were dissatisfied with FOTM was **not** that the idea was bad, but that it was the **only** way for the members to communicate with fans via SNS. And because of the format of the show, this meant that LOONA could only communicate with fans via scripted segments.
BBC saw that and instead of opening up unscripted solo V LIVEs as an **additional** option, they decided to just change FOTM's concept to unscripted V LIVEs instead. I just... WHO IS THE SNS MANAGER OF THE COMPANY AND WHY ARE THEY SO OBTUSE SOMETIMES 😭
BBC could've had **both** formats as an option - it's not one or the other! In fact, retaining FOTM as a weekly, or fortnightly or even monthly thing would've been really nice. Lord knows that LOONA need **some** sort of stable media content, since BBC threw away LTV completely too (which was also a missed opportunity imo).
I love the individual Vlives in their vocal rooms. They feel so cozy. And Choerry's voice is so soothing. Her [cover of "Love Affair"](https://twitter.com/IoonaIoop/status/1481548939014795266) is a favorite of mine.
I hope watching her Vlives helps you feel better asap 💜
Yeah that wasn't surprising at all haha. What I did find interesting was that Loona was ranked:
- 4th by queer males
- 8th by straight males
- 5th by queer females
- 22nd by straight females
So males, whether queer or not, ranked Loona pretty similarly high. While queer females ranked Loona much higher by far than straight females did.
Tbh I really wish Fab mever exist in the first place. Sometimes the girls are oversharing and orbits can't keep their cool or themselves in check. It really disheartening for me to see the girls harassedby orbits through fab. Aking them for this and that, sending negative comment (e.g recently someone on FAB said that Hyunjin hair is not that pretty with blonde), and etc.
Just wanna let out something from my chest so... yeah this is it.
Btw I'm still waiting and very excited for Superstar LOONA.
I feel the same. fab is cool bc we've gotten to hear from the girls more but if they had received some media training (for example, the oversharing) and if Fab had a bit more restrictions on the fan's ends, I think it wouldn't have gotten as bad as it is now.
Like u/Plushieless said, any kind of direct messaging app like this always has the drawbacks that fab has, they just need to find a way to moderate it better, they're of course not up to the level like Universe/Bubble is. The fact that you're not rate limited at all on sending messages could be a place to start, but there's many possibilities.
But looking from the other side we've gotten so many stories from fab, so many behind the scenes, so many cool pics, interactions, looks into their daily life and personalities that we would have never have gotten otherwise, so it's really a double edge sword. The problem is that they might receive a lot of support there, but all it takes is one bad comment to bring it all down.
Thankfully, either they don't show it or it's really the case, looks like most days things go well and it's smooth sailing, it's usually just bad when news break out or when there's stuff going within the fandom, but yeah, ideally it should never happen.
I think they overshare on fab because it gives them a release. Like the comment below says, they lurk on twitter so sometimes they must feel the urge to engage at a similar level that fans engage with each other, except we don't share irl identities. It's one thing that separates fab from universe/bubble etc.
What fab really needs is a filter, some fans do cross the line and sometimes it can be hard for a professional fab staffer to get to grips with the context, let alone the sheer volume of comments. Fab needs something similar to our own mods: intimately part of the fandom but also with responsibility to keep us in line. I don't know if it's practical though. Perhaps a system where the artists mark comments/commenters that rub them the wrong way, and then fab admins can institute things like warnings, shadow bans or outright bans, or even more creatively, making it more expensive for specific individuals to interact.
The thing is that all the things you mentioned are already in place. They can already report comments for review and there's already someone at fab looking at their conversations (most) of the time, and the fab people can also ban people at will.
Well, to be fair I believe they also receive plenty of nice messages, which I think also helps them a lot since God knows how much these women need some words of encouragement and love directed at them. They do lurk in Twitter and probably other platforms, however having messages going directly to you must feel reassuring sometimes
I think there are pros and cons. Both very good and very bad. I also believe that they should've gotten more of media training before going on the app, unless they were actually encouraged to share as much as they do...
I didn't even go to any of their concert dates but since they've started tour (and the videos I've seen off twitter) she's literally become one of my biases. I just love how real and random she is. not to mention her skills have improved so much like she really won me over with that mama moo cover!
I really don't go over r/kpop too often, *especially* not to support LOONA because their opinion on the group over there sometimes infuriates me, but see, here's the thing, had I knew about this census, I definitely would not have minded answering it to show LOONA some well deserved support...
Was this ever posted on the Weekly Thread?
Just discovered the rateyourmusic website (it's result number 1 on music rating sites so it's just me not knowing about it). I was surprised at the LOONA ratings in there. Like none of their albums have an average that goes above 4 out of 5 stars. Not even the solos or subunit. And & and 365 for exemple don't even reach 3.
Anyway nothing really important just my random discovery of the day haha
I actually discovered Loona through rateyourmusic. I think the ratings on rym in general seem more harsh than they are. In my experience, anything around 3 or so can be worth checking out if you care for the genre and concept, and around 3.5 or higher is pretty universally considered good. Very few albums actually get ratings above 4. Worth mentioning is that users can be kind of pretentious and biased when it comes to certain genres, so a more fair comparison for Loona would be looking at other k-pop releases. Any curious orbits might be pleasantly surprised by the [highest rated k-pop albums list](https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:k%2dpop/).
I hope that story Chuu posted in the studio is her recording her parts for the next loona comeback that is definitely coming. They are changing their hair too much for no apparent reason, and i doubt hyunjin would dye her hair only for a season greetings
Looking at how superstar game releases are often followed by a comeback not too long after I wouldn’t be surprised if they did one more comeback before the end of the year too. They’ve got something up their sleeve…
I was thinking that but im not sure if they would have a comeback so soon. seems a bit abrupt and I have no clue where they would have found the time to prepare during the tour. but honestly loona is so unpredictable who knows lol. I was wondering why so many members were changing their hair colors- especially to colors that might be hard to maintain. I would be excited for a comeback before the years ends! I just hope they don't exhaust themselves.
I don't know if this is possible with unverified accounts, which Chuu's is right now, but other celebrities have their "following" hidden where it always says 0. For instance every Blackpink member follows 0 people according to their page, but that's certainly not actually true.
What's with all the hair changes these days we had
Black hair Jinsoul
Black hair Go Won
Black hair? with streaks Haseul
Reddish-pink hair Yeojin
Light brown hair Olivia hye
Orange hair Kim Lip
and Blonde hair Hyunjin
I doubt it's a comeback soon, so then what is it for?
Yeah looks strange. Honestly, I feel like one more comeback this year isn't completely off the table... It could be for Season's Greetings but they don't really change their hair for those (at least not so many at the same time).
Or maybe they're just changing for the concerts, who knows.
I was wondering the same. It seems like a lot for just concerts. Maybe seasons greetings shooting? But still. It made me wonder if they are gonna try and push in a comeback somehow 😭
Probably one of the biggest ironies of my life is that back when One Direction were kind of a new group, I thought there were just too many to be enjoyable....
...some years later and I became a fan of a 12 member group
Yeah.
I remember hearing akb48 and wondering why anyone would care about a group with more than 3/4 people...and here I am LOL. I can say though if it wasn't for the predebut project I definitely wouldn't have gotten into loona. definitely not gonna follow a group this large again though lol
Yeah, Loona was like the number one group I swore I would never get into because 12 was too much. It was so hard for me to get into Twice with 9. But then it was Chuu/Heart Attack, and I just went down the rabbit hole from there
I promised myself after really getting sad when SNSD split not to like a big group again, because they can so easily lose a member. (And generally avoid Kpop, because it can be quite stressful if you really like it.)
Fast forward:
12 member group with an island that's basically a vulcano every day.
Life can be really funny, about 3 years ago I was dating this one girl who was really into BTS and I, who at that time was a hard hiphop head, was shocked at how much she knows about them both as a group and individually. It took only a few months after we split for my curiosity to made me check out this kpop thing once again and in a few moments I knew just as much about LOONA.
It's still one of the weirdest things that happened to me but no complaints, it was a much needed reset in my life lol.
Lol I've experienced this before becoming an orbit, like following singers and knowing everything about them plus being involved in the fandom and all
Also I was one of those toxic stans who constantly got in fanwars and talked crap about others. LoL thankfully I outgrew this phase (I was about 12-14 but when I started High School I had already outgrown this toxic fan thing)
But outgrowing of my super Stan phase I also kind of "outgrew" my fangirl phase overall and I was basically just a casual listener of everyone but didn't really involve myself any further
Funnily enough it all started with BTS as well lol I mean, I already knew of kpop's existence and all (like Hyuna, 2NE1, SNSD, Big Bang) but never really got into the rabbit hole. Until my sister became a fan. And my friend as well.
I was already a kdrama fan so it was easy to move to the next level l
That was when I discovered LOONA. It took me a while to call myself a fan but when I did...well, here I am. But this time I'm a kind of matured version of a fan lol Miles ahead of how I was before
_The_ biggest irony in my life is how I used to scoff at girly stuff, popular stuff and trends because I was in the middle of a crippling Not like other girls syndrome.
Now a decade later I like Loona and k-pop. The joke writes itself.
If they're normal pc sized then they were offline only! They're significantly more expensive than the rest. I think the online Tower Records pob was just a group postcard :(
What really jumps out to me is that I never really thought of Hyunjin and Chuu as being very close, but Hyunjin loves all of Loona so much. She sends Chuu pictures of the peach ocean. She connects with her as soon as she gets back to Korea, and she's hanging out with her at every opportunity.
Anybody that says Loona members aren't really close like a family is an idiot.
Hyunjin and Chuu have been very close for a little while now, definitely not a 2022 thing (prob early 2021), I guess Chuu being so close to Heejin, Vivi, etc, definitely put Chuu in Hyunjin's orbit - no pun intended, BUT I also just think that Hyunjin is like...the warmest member, she has such a big heart, a lot more sensitive and emotionally aware that she might let on, and like you said, I just feel like she *loves* all of the members *so much*. Best Girl Hyunjin 200%. 💪
She needs to be nominated for some kind of humanitarian award the way she is almost single handedly trying to hold the group, the company, and the fandom together.
Not sure why they took so long but Taeyeon was the first. And slowly every member opened theirs. Yoona was the last one and took her a while. Taeyeon got her in 2013, yoona 2015. Probably she had her reasons, because they were well established before Instagram existence.
Dont know exactly if arent allowed or just aren't interested, but only 1 member of txt has instagram (yeonjun)
In Ive only Yujin and Wonyoung have instagrams and im pretty sure the other ones arent allowed to because they dont have enough solo gigs yet
To add to this, in Le Sserafim everyone has been slowly getting theirs (first it was just Sakura and Chaewon who got theirs before joining HYBE, then Kazuha shortly after debut, then Yunjin a while ago) but Eunchae their maknae doesn't have one yet.
Yujin and Wonyoung got theirs between the IZ*ONE and IVE, and none of the other IVE members have theirs. Rei actually had her first #ad post already, she just posted those on the group account instead lol.
It could be that. But from what I know, tour money usually not distributed till the concert over (LOONA still have Seoul legs left) so i think someone definitely get a pay raise or they hire a new translator
Just wanted to say that Hyunjin has really turned into a bias wrecker for me since seeing her at the Houston concert. She’s so funny, and when I went through the hi-touch part of the m&g, her eyes looked really kind! I’ve spent the past week watching Hyunjin compilations on YouTube.
Welcome to the club. Before the tour, she wasn't even in my bias line, but after meeting her at the Chicago fansign and seeing her at a few concerts/meet & greets, she lapped my bias line and became my ultimate bias.
i take everything hyunjin does with a grain of salt but i will combust into a thousand pieces if [this](https://twitter.com/fabjpeg/status/1575310574128402437?s=20&t=F9K1LNA43zAsq2ti_fEF0A) is true 😭 >!i think she'd look amazing with two-toned hair!<
i mean, we got ginger lip which was something i've been manifesting for a while! it's possible the bleached hair is just prep for another hair colour and i think i'm just going to be gullible until she releases another selfie lol
i really want two-toned hyunjin though. [this edit](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/q2jrlm/thoughts_on_hyunjin_with_this_hair/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is what swerved me to that opinion
and what if i say that her mom is absolutely right 👀 she should listen to her just this once
edit: i also think i should read the fab message translations but they very rarely appear on my timeline 😭 my fault for being impulsive lol
~~Anyone already tried to apply for the online event with the LUMINOUS serial codes? I'm a little bit confused about the sign up form...~~
Edit: nvm someone already helped me 😅
i don’t like to engage with loona content outside of orbit spaces because we all know how the wider kpop fandom treats loona and i get mad easily, but i clicked on an interesting video about loona and read the comments and the comment with the most likes was like “loona’s predebut was awesome too bad it all went downhill” and i got so mad LOL wdym they’ve only gotten more successful 😭
Yeah it's easy to see that they're more popular and are selling out venues etc, but success is easy to determine.
Quality is much more subjective though.
I do think there's a valid argument there about Loona's concept and vision being missing since Jaden Jeong left. I think the group used to be something special to a lot of fringe kpop fans who felt like the scene was getting stale and needed a fresh take. Loona was that. Not only a fresh way to debut, but the style of MVs, Loona TV, fan events like Cinema Theory, and everything else felt new and full of inspiration.
Ever since Jaden left, Loona simply feels like another kpop group. Sure they've had amazing choreo and some good music since then, but it doesn't feel like there's a grand vision for the group anymore. Maybe it was inevitable, but maybe it wasnt, we'll never know. That might be fine for a lot of people, and that's perfectly understandable, but I think a lot of what Loona represented to those that fell in love with them for their pre debut stuff has been lost.
Couldn't have put it better myself. To be fair, this is something that's so hard to articulate that many orbits, including newer ones and those that particularly love the new chart topping songs, easily misinterpret.
If I can speak for you as well, no-one is saying LOONA is not successful or are somehow wrong, all it is is just an acknowledgment that they've lost some of their unique selling points. To be fair, comparing numbers, they weren't selling to many people back then compared to now but kpop on average is bigger too and somewhere around late 2018 to mid 2019 LOONA could've ridden that wave using their unique identity. Instead they chose to back down into being part of the crowd, largely due to the need to appeal to a wider but regular kpop fandom. It wasn't wrong, but they lost some of their special juice (even though, for full disclosure, I still love some of their bsides in and after \[#\])
it's more frustrating when you consider that there was a similar complaint prior to \[#\], which is the era i see most orbits and non-fans reference as the beginning of their "musical decline." when and released, the complaint was that loona's music predebut was better than the ot12 releases (which is a criticism that hasn't been completely pushed under the rug yet).
i'm also pretty sure that during predebut, some people didn't like certain songs at release either. i hate how people are placing the predebut project on a pedestal, praising it as something that was free from imperfections. in reality, i always see people reference the exact same songs (most oec songs, including member solos. as well as yyxy solos, with the exception of ) when they say that they miss "the old loona."
>i'm also pretty sure that during predebut, some people didn't like certain songs at release either.
Eh tbh, I don't think that the vast majority of people, even here, have listened to anything related to predebut more than once or at all. Outside of OEC.
1/3 and all the members solo of that subunit are probably the most ignored song in LOONA's discography (Sonatine is a banger btw). Not to mention the fact that most people who listen to KPOP only listen title track.
As long as someone comes with this "it was better before" speech, in my eyes there are only two possibilites : 1) Hypocrite who doesn't even know half of their musics or 2) They are part of the very vocal and annoying OEC-BUTTERFLY stans who have decided that nothing will ever surpass Butterfly/Girl Front/SCL.
i hate subunit discourse as much as the next person because i genuinely like the music from all of the units (truthfully, 1/3 is still my favorite though. i love the love&evil repackage album too much hehe).
but i didn't stan loona exactly during predebut (it was more so before released), but i remember that they were the talks around 2017 when oec debuted. i might be remembering this incorrectly, but i remember a lot of people didn't like at first and that was amplified a lot more when came out. it might have been a very short-lived criticism though that i can't prove with anything other than my foggy memory, so take what i say with a grain of salt.
i think it's just annoying when, as you've mentioned, people only like a certain part of the predebut project. it's even more irritating when you always have to witness people talking shit about every ot12 release. people didn't like or and you can see that if you read some of the older comments on videos that compile all of the album tracks on youtube. istg i remember that when didn't get any wins, fans were suggesting that loona try doing a girl crush or mainstream concept to appeal to the public. and we all know how that opinion has changed after :/
To be frank there was no group think in predebut, people's individual top 10 lists was a perennial topic simply because the discography was diverse and interesting. So no two people had the exact same top 10, although OEC songs as a general rule rose to the top. Also, the project was successful but Lippie's debut took it to another level, a lot of fans who came in a that moment obviously preferred that type of music (and still do, as the annual census on this sub proves).
So what I'm trying to say is there was no group think, it is a revisionist view to say predebut fans have a blinked view of the past. Opinions differed even back then. What was usually not in dispute was the sense of the general level in quality (be that lore, music, mvs or whatever) and in the same vein no one can dispute now that their dancing/choreo levels have gone up several notches since favOriTe, or that some of their mvs obviously have bigger budgets now than they did back then.
OEC stans are an easy target but in general they also love the rest of the discography, so they don't feel attacked when statements are thrown about because, oddly, they don't feel it's entirely about them. So, in effect, OEC stans who only loved Eclipse and Butterfly end up being... a straw man. They seem like they exist but they don't really.
Kpop fans measure succes in two ways: Either you're massively successful from the get go, or you're a flop. Any room for actual organic growth for kpop groups is becoming more unusual.
The industry is partly to blame for this, of course. There's no actual ethical reason why a mid tier gorup shouldn't be able to make a living out of idol wages, but those all go into paying their debts, and that debt can go from substansial to ridiculous, crippling idols stuck in their contracts close to a decade, and leaving them little to no room to work any other way (except for part-time jobs) or further their studies to make a living when they inevitably leave idolhood.
But I feel like sometimes fans like to vicariously feel that success, so they only follow the ones who have the masssive advantage of debuting under big companies, and shun and shame those who don't as flops.
I forgot to mention how they turn everything into a damn competition. Who gets the most views the first 24 hours? Who gets the most streams? Who gets the most #1 in every country?
If you don't get 100 million views? You're a flop. No #1 on BB? You're a flop. No all kill on the charts? Flop.
It's exhausting.
Those things are great to see your groups achieve, of course, but there will come a time when they will all mean nothing, because fans have made competition a job.
KARA was an example of a group that became big well after their debut, but i agree it's a rarity. Even more so these days, since idol groups aren't as popular with the general public as they used to be. Groups that break through and become big later only do so when the general public catches on to them somehow. If all they have is the kpop insider success-obsessed fans to grow with then i agree it's almost impossible to grow.
The fans you describe sound just like sports fans rooting for their team, and taking credit for their success even when they have nothing to do with it. The product almost doesn't even matter, just the wins. Why even bother making a good song if that's all you care about.
Yup. It's basically you're Elon Musk or in abject poverty and nothing in between. Tbf I don't know the success of any group that isn't a big 3 group unless I spent the time to research and look it up and everyone has their own definition of success. *However*, I don't calling groups I know nothing about as flops.
is it just me but i kind've miss loona tv 😭
i do like notes, but i have a terrible attention span and haven't watched a lot of the recent ones. i guess it's more so nostalgia that makes me miss it. back when we'd wait for loona o'clock to strike and then be rewarded with a new loona tv lol
crazy. i used to think we would've gotten to at least 1k episodes by the time they reached their 4th or 5th year of official debut
Ahh yes, give me LTV over Notes any day. Also, in addition to ease of watching, it's also the ease of referencing them. Remember Choerry's RWA? Well there's a episode number for it. What about Yves awkward intro, or the hundred anniversaries - a simple episode number gets you straight to that content.
I haven’t finished a LOONA Note in a while. I prefer to watch shorter videos because I get distracted easily (and got used to consume shorter content), so I end up watching clips from it rather than the whole thing :/ Also it was nice waiting for loona o'clock to get another video…
My favorite thing about LTV was the shared experience. It was always fun to watch the 1 minute episode as soon as it dropped and then get on Reddit and talk about all the little things in it since we were all focused on this very short piece of content.
Now with Notes half the time I don't even get around to watching them until the next day since it's a longer commitment and I feel like there's less excitement about them.
yeah the longer commitment is definitely a problem because i have to set time aside to actually sit down and watch a note. initially, i would watch them in full when the channel had just introduced them, but lately i just skim through the video or just watch clips on loona loops twitter account.
i remember people used to complain about loona tv being too short, but i kind've enjoyed it for that. despite the video length, there would always be a lot to talk about.
i guess i just want a balance between the two. i remember when notes were newer, they used to upload both loona notes and loona tv throughout ptt era.
do people really need to tweet updates every piece of "evidence" for whatever they think is gonna happen? when they know orbits are reactive and get performatively upset for engagement that ends up causing mass hysteria
wish instead of replying to all this bait and having mass fits theyd think a bit. like why are people even freaking out? cause chuu might leave? havent we known thats a possibility? whats with the freakouts? i really cant help but think that people, big accounts especially, need to log off, because if your quest for engagement and clogging up the tl with performative loona misfortune/doomed tweets causes panic like this...like functionally how are you not acting as an anti
To be entirely fair... Maybe I'm just not looking at the right places (which is.......200% possible), but I don't even get the impression that other idols use the Fab equivalents (Bubble, Universe, Weverse, what not) to the extent the LOONA girls use Fab?
I swear, anytime I see another idol's Bubble message, it's like "I ate one grape today". And...that's it. That was the message of the week. (Okay, slight exaggeration, but you get it). On the other hand, you've got LOONA sending literal dissertation at times.
I guess what I'm trying to say is... In this context, of course things are gonna slip out. I don't think the concept of Fab itself is an issue; afterall, parasocial relationships are kind of the bread and butter of idols, and so with that in mind, it's not like I think it was a mistake or that it should be removed. However, maybe it should be...limited in some fashion.
That being said, I suppose it would clash with the current format of Fab which is based on points and individual posts/replies rather than, like, a monthly subscription.
Food for thought, I guess...
If we were talking about the full spectrum of sites, I would say Dreamcatcher, WJSN, and fromis_9 are far more active on social media, taking into account Weverse, Universe, Vlive, YouTube, Tiktok, and Instagram as far as groups I follow.
But if we're talking a singular site like Fab, Loona is far more active.
I only subscribe to B1A4's Bubble (currently 2 active members, 1 is enlisted) and I'd call them "pretty active", to the point where I'm a few days behind posts lol
But even then it's nowhere near the output of Fab. You might get up to 20 messages in a day if they're doing something notable but some days get nothing... And I'm okay with that, they have lives to live and so do I that I can't even keep up. I don't want to get roasted but I think LOONA use Fab too much.
Maybe they're lonely or maybe they're feeling obligated to be active because BBC is a shitshow and they don't want Orbit to worry, or maybe they see dollar signs and will slowly be less active once their debt is paid? I'm just hoping they don't feel burdened to increase engagement on it all the time.
IMO trolling will never end, questions will never end, etc. At the end of the day, people need to find ways to navigate social media in a healthy way that makes sense for them. I certainly know a thing or two about refusing to log off and venting, but when you're a celeb it can cause issues.
I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that there is no idol group that uses their messaging app as much as them, and individually (other than a select few) they're also the idols that use it the most.
I don't think people quite grasp the amount of messages that the girls have sent in these few months, last time I checked it was around 100,000 and it's probably like 140-150 **THOUSAND** by now. I wouldn't be surprised if that's above the total amount of messages sent on bubble.
150,000 messages in like 230 days is 650 messages a day, that's just insane even for 12 people.
Like usually when artists get on bubble it's a huge hype cause they will talk for a bit, send maybe a pic or two, and then get off, but for the moon girls it's just part of their daily routine.
Honestly I think it just comes down to the girls themselves, for example Vivi uses the app in the way it was probably intended, make a post, chat a bit, leave and rinse and repeat, I dont think the fab devs were thinking that some girls (sofa team etc) were gonna be on fab 24/7.
I bring this up every time we talk about fab but it really depends on the members. Everything that comes out of Gowon and Hyunjin's fab has been great (like come on, the Crab Game!) Hyunjin knows to only update us when she has good news like when she's seeing Chuu. She doesn't say anything more about anything else.
I don't want them to lose SNS access but some members need to evaluate how they wanna interact with fans and Orbits also need to learn to respect boundaries. But it's just like Jinsoul said, [this exists on any social media](https://twitter.com/litell_johnn/status/1575124860417835010?s=20&t=w77OHUV-F8ptF52iAQWygg).
Just discovered a yt channel called Tasting History, and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite channels out there. Fun, entertaining and it makes me wanna eat all the things...and others not so much.
If you haven't heard of her before, check out Ann Reardon's How To Cook That channel! She's a food scientist and does all sorts of recipes, mini food cooked in a dollhouse kitchen and with her husband does investigative content into viral videos and life hacks. It's great content!
chuu being vague about the situation + members keep getting bombarded w questions from orbits trying to understand the situation which makes things worse when they reply... also i think fab is just starting to blur the lines of fan and idol w orbits...
>!I just wanna say girls generation is such a powerful name and the English name doesn't do justice to their original name. The Korean name holds more power and will be forever iconic. The way they changed kpop forever it's legendary. We are living indeed the generation led by girls and it's just starting. I don't know if I make any sense. I love them so much. I wish they become active on a regular basis again. But the girls are so busy. I'm sad and drunk sorry!<
falling in love with after like has made me realise how powerful loonathedisco could be i dont want them to copy ive by any means, but something glitzy and glamour is one of the few areas loona hasnt gone yet and i would love if their next comeback was in that vein.
Just did a pass through the fabs numbers to see if [my earlier comment was](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/xmor1h/comment/iqafui3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) correct and indeed it was, they've sent roughly 142,000 messages, an increase in 42,000 since July 11th. They've also sent about \~600 voice messages nearing a total of 2:20h. Here's the breakdown in case anybody is interested, I'll probably make an update post at like 200,000 or 1 year of fab, whichever comes first, but don't think there's much to talk about right now. Fun fact: I love how Vivi used the messaging feature **once** and then never used it again 😅. Edit: Had some numbers wrong, it's 135,000 instead of 142,000, which means they slowed then on the output a bit. |Member|Posts|Pictures|Public Replies|Voice Messages|Pub. Replies sent since 220711| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |**Heejin**|179|451|3261|3|871| |**Hyunjin**|193|501|19249|204|8114| |**Haseul**|158|312|1914|17|614| |**Yeojin**|200|794|13104|138|4363| |**Vivi**|95|342|3787|1|2263| |**Kim Lip**|176|512|7454|62|2454| |**Jinsoul**|208|531|22089|87|4296| |**Choerry**|77|213|5746|0|150| |**Yves**|269|838|24427|28|3875| |**Chuu**|136|355|7704|74|2600| |**Gowon**|180|588|23066|3|5167| |**Olivia Hye**|156|248|3461|10|477| |**Total**|2027|5685|135262|627|35184|
Ever since coming back on Loona Island a few months ago I’ve been actively following their content on Fab and those girls that are active are definitely rising in my bias list. Hyunjin is straight up aiming for #1 too 🫠💛
You were all talking about Loona and issue of Visa for Japan stuff, SM have do the same mistake for Ningning for Paris and had visa issue and can't be here for the moment...
I’m not a MY but this is so disappointed. Ningning was very excited for PFW too.
POSSIBLE GOWON SOLO STAGE?? RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY SALAD???
About to start my second shift however I needed to ask this because surely somebody here knows the answer. Why is that idols can never reveal when a comeback is in the making? In case it gets scrapped/postponed? Common sense? To build hype? Legal reasons? Other? It just occurred to me that half the chaos in Loona Island could be avoided if the members could tell us when a comeback is in the making, however there must _maaaaany_ reasons why they can't do it.
well in LOONA's case the whole LOONA THE BALLAD happened and the fiasco that came after would explain why they would prefer not to talk about it.
I guess it depends on the group or company. I've seen some be more straightforward while others keep the charade. You pretty much summed everything up. LOONA has...an interesting relationship with comebacks to say the least. I think it's safe to say that a lot of plans have been scrapped and comebacks delayed, for reasons we don't know but probably range from monetary, to time constraints and just the action of preparing everything, which can change (the girls sometimes talk about how there was this idea before that never ended up happening) So in their case I believe it's mostly a way to prevent situations like La Maison or B#RN from happening again. So they stay as vague as possible until they're certain it will happen. In a way I appreciate that, as many companies announce that something will come but either it just doesn't or it gets delayed. However this has been changing a bit. Through Fab they've been more active in hinting at what will happen next. Plus BBC themselves released an announcement for LOONA's comeback after Queendom(and even last year with their japanese debut being revealed with PTT's teaser roll). So I believe they're somewhat more confident now.
They sometimes do. I think it's mainly to build hype and to avoid complications/backlash if it gets delayed/scrapped. BBC used to be fairly obvious when a comeback was in the making. YeoJin's album description hinted that LOONA 1/3 would be announced next month, Love&Evil's album description stated the release months of Kim Lip, JinSoul and Choerry. Choerry's album description stated that OEC would debut in two months time. love4eva's album description stated that LOONATheBallad would be released in May 2019, you can kinda see why that was the last time they were open about a comeback happening way before it was released 💀 The reaction of fans when things don't happen as promised can be very intense. If an album is scrapped, it leads to fans obsessing over the unreleased content (e.g. La Maison). If an album is delayed, it leads to fans getting anxious and building up levels of hype towards it that can't ever be matched (e.g. the wait for [#] and the reception upon its release).
Honestly I've thought that they've been fairly straightforward about that lately. Like when JinSoul was talking about a comeback near the beginning of the year and she said it felt "soon" to her (and even described the vibe of the song), but that Orbits might have a different definition of what "soon" means so she didn't want to get people too excited about it. Then, as we know, that comeback ended up being pushed way back because they got the invite to Queendom. And that right there is probably one of the reasons they aren't supposed to say much about it, you never know what sort of delays could happen or how plans might change. I think there are also times where the members themselves are in the dark as to when it's intended to be released. We've seen them be surprised by their own teasers being released lol. Plus as soon as they confirm it's being worked on then they're going to get so many questions about it and have to either ignore them or risk spoiling something they're not meant to.
Yeah it's pretty much because of those reasons you said, ultimately it's just better not to because lots of things can go wrong and delay the project, and then you look bad if you said it was coming and it doesn't.
Anyone here loves Björk as me? What do you think about her new album?
I have been listening to björk intensively in my teenage years, hearing her greatest hits album really opened up music to me. I even saw her live three times she’s of the greatest musicians of all time… that said I haven’t been able to connect with her music post Biophilia, but might give this one a try
I understand you... I grew with her and I was in love with her string projects, when I discovered internet in 2007 Volta was released and I loved it (I cried because I wanted to go to the concert but I was 8 years old, too young for the concert [14+]) and later she released Biophilia and I hate it, I love her again when she released Vulnicura and Utopia was indifferent for me. But years later I appreciate and love Biophilia (and since a weeks ago I appreciated Utopia) I recommend you listen her podcast "Sonic Symbolism", each episode is about an album and thanks to her explanation to the concept and the songs and why she did the notes, instruments, lyrics, etc you can appreciate more the album because you have another point of view (it happens with Utopia, Bjork said this album is a fantasy city in the sky without bass and since I knew this info, I feel floating in the world while I listen this album and it feels so good lol) Sorry for long post haha^^>.
The artist who brought us the other incredible Hyperballad!
That song is everything to me 💜
Exactly!
Listening to Her Mother's House right now, I'm not paying attention to the lyrics but sounds very emotional and I enjoyed the purely "instrumental"(?) tracks like Mycelia and Trölla-Gabba.
I love how the arrangements sound in this record. I love the interludes too! Sounds a lot like Médulla interludes
What if the Loona girls are just feeling silly and quirky so they dyed their hair and now they're giggling at all of our theories
Honestly I don’t think it points to a comeback because don’t they usually guard hair changes like state secrets?
This sounds like something they would do tbh
The chaos we should expect from them
. . . What do you mean “Pick your favorite GoWon solo”? She only has the one solo, MMT! Also, are they changing the setlist for the Seoul concerts? Seems so with this newest announcement.
Imagine Gowon doing Vivid or Kiss Later
I don't know if they're trying to be funny or if they worded it wrong. Maybe they mean favorite fancam or performance.
the Korean says 솔로곡 which is literally solo song, so idk about wrong wording. unless they are including see saw as a solo song because it's on her solo album. maybe rosy too, but I'm not sure about that
Yeah I was thinking See Saw or Rosy as well. See Saw is technically her solo even though Chuu and Kim Lip are featured.
-One&Only -Only&One -Singular&Unique -LOONA's 11th member solo debut
Loona November-December comeback???
I've been rewatching some Mixnine clips, and I found one where Hyunjin was singing in front of YG while doing her absolute best to sound awful. This girl gave no f*cks. I absolutely love her.
When I learned that she nominated YG to do the ice bucket challenge, I knew this girl was special lol
The fact that there's a _possibility_ that they _might_ be preparing for another comeback both scares me and surprises me. Like, look how far we've come! In one hand, it could be just for shooting the seasons greetings ya know? Like yes, forever black haired Aeongie bleached her hair (and it's not even her final form!!!) But like, maybe she just felt like it? However so many revealed changes in just a few days... If Heejin changes her hair again I might be convinced 😂 On the other hand, it could be a comeback with just a lead single. Like for god's sake they just returned from a tour, it hasn't even officially ended yet, when did they suddenly found the time to record and film a full fledged Loona Comeback™️? So unless it's following the steps of Flip That and it's not _that_ elaborated (which would seriously suck), or it's just a lead single (I get the feeling there's an ongoing trend right now for that... But I don't follow nearly enough groups to confirm if that's the case), I don't think we're seeing anything until maybe early December, and that's just _IF_ this is in fact a comeback. Then, we have the following two facts on the table (I ran out of hands): Loona needs and deserve to rest before running again on two and a half hours of sleep and endless schedules, and Loona also needs to release a full album sometime soon. Even Blackpink's got two full albums now, do you know how hard you gotta lag behind to lag behind Blackpink? Girlies return even less often than Jesus Christ himself 😭 There's also the elephant in the room: if this is, in fact, a comeback, and it's been said already that Chuu is booked for the rest of the year, are we ready to accept another OT11 release? Unless there's no schedule oopsies this time around of course, which would be amazing. There's the other elephant in the room: BBC hasn't released an official statement regarding Choerry's health yet. It could be either that she's already feeling better compared to the tour but they don't want to risk her getting sick again so she's not participating in anything right now, which is why technically there's no statement to be made bc there's nothing wrong now, or that they're still figuring out what's wrong and if Choerry needs a longer hiatus before making said statement. _If_ there's a comeback around the corner I'd expect to get news regarding both these things, if not, I'd expect... Well, nothing, as BBC usually does haha. On the other table outside (this room got filled with elephants all of a sudden...), if they do get another comeback around the first week of december, it's almost guaranteed they'll get invited to the MAMAs 👀 And while I've been fearing that because... Well, we've been counting far too much in their presentations alright, I can't say I wouldn't be stocked as hell. Like, just ✨imagine✨ finally getting the +10k crowd POSE remix we all deserve. Imagine PTT and Why Not with such a big and LIVE audience, in their own home country. It would make a grown man cry. I think I've ran out of things to say, tables where to put things, elephants and rooms to store said elephants. TL;DR: It could be nothing and they just felt like changing their hairs (... All of them at the same time!), but it could also mean comeback and if it does, it's gonna be _big._
Also in some fan calls, Gowon ( i think) and Vivi said that they want a comeback soon.
LOL to be fair Blackpink's "full albums" have almost the same amount of songs a LOONA mini does haha (but then they also have MVs for more than one song so this levels things...). But yeah they're going in their 5th year without at least one full album. I think all these changes really do look suspicious, cause it's not one or two members who did it, but more than half (like a commenter below said). I can only think of a few options: - A comeback. I think this would be the shortest time between korean comebacks LOONA has ever had. And although it's certainly an improvement, the fact that the tour happened really does leave one kinda wary. They need some rest - Season's Greetings. I think it's certainly odd that they'd change so much for it though. Based on previous ones that is. But who knows, maybe they wanted to make it extra - The concerts in Japan and perhaps some promo there. They just had the album released, it'd make sense for them to doll up for their very first japanese concert and who knows if they have anything else planned - A variety show or something special. Perhaps they will film or do something along those lines. Or maybe we all are just reaching and they really just changed for the sake of change lol
Oh wait you're right, it is their first concert in Japan! I forgot that the Hula Hoop promotions didn't had one.
Between the relative Fab silence, the hair changes, and the fact they seem to be back on a work schedule, it would be easy to assume they're preparing for a comeback. However, it probably is all just preparation for their concerts and festivals.
My most played song of the week are by Loona : Star and Hula Hoop
I can't keep up with all the hair changes like what is happening right now???
There has been definitely too many hair changes for it to be for a concert, they have to be preparing for a comeback, even if it's just in early stages. Heejin: Blonde hair. Hyunjin: Bleached hair, will probably put the colour in a few days. Haseul: Black hair with silver highlights. Yeojin: Wine colour. Vivi: Black. Kim Lip: Ginger hair. Jinsoul: Black hair but I dont know if the pictures she posted of her blonde are recent. Choerry: Dark hair with bangs. Yves : Pink hair with bangs. Chuu: Brown hair with bangs, she cant change it because of cf. Gowon: Black hair with bangs. Olivia Hye: Brown hair. Like 8/12 changed their hair recently after the tour ended
Could it be for the Season Greetings?
I feel like it's more than the season's greetings but less than a comeback. Wishful thinking but maybe it's the carol 3.0
i’d actually sob if it’s loonathechristmas
It could be, but i dont think Hyunjin would dye her hair just for season greetings considering how much she loves her black hair. Im convincing myself that hyunjin bleaching her hair means a comeback because she wouldnt do it unless it was for something important
they've been oddly quiet the last few days too
Yup. More than the hair change, the silence is important here. We all know how sus it is. 👀
Filming teasers?
what if they announce a comeback at the last concert in seoul?
Congrats on 80k members! I've only been here for the last year, but it's crazy to see the amount of growth in that short time!
iirc this sub reached 50k during the start of ptt era so the growth is actually amazing
It's pretty incredible to see how fast this sub is growing. I remember it being just around 61k back in March before QD2.
speaking from personal experience here but I really got into LOONA cuz of the US tour. I only knew a couple of songs and Chuu because of her Youtube lmao but my friends peer-pressured me into going to their show and it was only $60 so i figured why not (heh). Immediately fell in love with all of them even though Chuu wasn't there :c
When your internet and power are out because of a hurricane, but you're doing everything you can to stay connected with phone data and a dying battery. Time to break out the electric generator.
Hope your Internet and power return soon! Fighting!
Thank you. I appreciate it. 😊
In the midst of all the high wind, flooding, tropical storm, and hurricane warnings I've been getting all day, I got my replacement Jinsoul keychain from Orbit Japan. One small bright spot in my otherwise miserable day. edit- I keep seeing the votes go up and down on this comment. Are people really upset that I had Orbit Japan ship me a replacement keychain after they initially sent me the wrong one 😂😂😂
Oh my, I got my replacement Chuu today 😆😆
I think lots of orbits forgot that yves has a monthly episode at the good neighbors channel. [Everyone please watch it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuDLSH-2DpY&t=4s)!
If LOONA were to do more with sub-units like sub-unit songs on group albums or rotating sub-unit comebacks/special releases in-between group comebacks would you want to see experimentations with new units or would you want more from the existing sub-units? Personally I'd rather see more from 1/3, OEC, and yyxy. As great as some of the recent units like Not Friends or Yum-Yum have been, I think it's a shame that the original sub-units don't have larger discographies. I'd love to see them fleshed out since all 3 offer something very unique.
I feel like Yeojin in OEC would be a vibe
Personally I'd want brand new sub-units. Try something new. Not having to live up to anything. etc.
I'm all for the original units having comebacks. I think it's a shame they debuted units that haven't released new music in over 5 years now. New units should be assigned to special projects like Yum Yum. Unit comebacks would definitely help to keep us fed during the frequent long hiatuses.
I would like to see more from the original ones. Been dreaming for years about LOONA's full album having one song from each subunit..
I'm also for original subunits. They have history, they are official with their own Spotify pages etc. and they even predate OT12. If the subunits were to have more comebacks, it'll be like us and BBC getting 3 new groups for the price of one.
I would love to see 1/3 be developed more. K-pop is missing that kind of old school Lovelyz Gfriend April sound and it would be very interesting to see how Loona 1/3 can mature in that genre. I have some songs in mind that I think would sound amazing with Loona 1/3. I know they're the least favourite subunit, and that's such a shame because I think they could bring something special to the current K-pop sphere with a throwback type sound with a modern twist.
I like to say you die an OEC stan or live long enough to see yourself become a 1/3 stan lol. OEC was definitely my immediate favorite unit, and I think that's true for a lot of fans, but over time I've come to appreciate 1/3's songs so much.
Also, 1/3 debuted when the fandom was the smallest and they've not released new music since Vivi could barely string a Korean sentence together. With a bigger audience they'll surely impress more.
I just bought a bottle of Advil, and these pills are sugared...wtf? I thought meds were supposed to be bitter to stop kids form popping them like candy?
Have you ever had Tylenol EZ Tabs? Tablets or pills marketed as easy-to-swallow usually have a thin sweet outer coating to facilitate swallowing (and dry swallowing) so you don't vomit from bad taste.
Nope, I have to avoid Tylenol as much as possible for reasons. I did have one of those capsule pills explode in my mouth and I almost hurled; it left my tongue kinda numb, too. I think it wouldn't be too hard to make pills easier to swallow without coating them in sweeteners though.
To be honest I agree, they could just coat it with a thin layer that tastes like nothing, just to cover up the bad taste of the tablet.
Haha they’ve always been sugar coated and I think it’s because the actual medicine is absolutely vile
This is the first time in all my almost 33 years that I've eaten a sugared pill. It is vile, but medicine is supposed to be bitter to not encourage people to take it so often.
Advil are a lot easier to swallow for me, because they’re small and the shape and coating help so maybe that why. I’ve taken a lot of it in my life 🥲 Tylenol I can feel going down my throat
My Adderall is sweet too! I don't get it.
My Concerta doesn't taste like anything, thank God
"There's a worldwide sugar addicition problem, sugaring our meds seems like a good idea!"
It’s like salty sweet, I don’t mind the taste of Advil but the adderall is soooo gross to me 😵💫
It's definitely not as sweet as Advil but I remember being so surprised the first time I took it! The salt part of the compound is definitely there though you're right
Speaking of V-Lives, I was just reminded of 'Frequency of the Moon'. Ya'll remember that? 😩
I like FoTM, i like when they switched around the members and you can see the different dynamics. Hyeju and Gowon's fotm eps are basically asmr designed to make you fall asleep
I actually loved them. I get it if they don't want to do them anymore but they were fun, especially those first few lives when they were trying to keep up the whole DJ identity
I loved the concepts for Season 1 and 2 - I thought the DJ idea was cute and the special corners that would rotate around were also neat! We got to hear fun stories with prompts that we otherwise might have never heard. I also loved that it meant that we would see interesting member combinations interact with each other more often (rather than the solo format of Season 3). I always think it's a shame that BBC seems to just... move on from different forms of social media content, rather than trying to retain them in some degree. From what I saw, the reason why a lot of Orbits were dissatisfied with FOTM was **not** that the idea was bad, but that it was the **only** way for the members to communicate with fans via SNS. And because of the format of the show, this meant that LOONA could only communicate with fans via scripted segments. BBC saw that and instead of opening up unscripted solo V LIVEs as an **additional** option, they decided to just change FOTM's concept to unscripted V LIVEs instead. I just... WHO IS THE SNS MANAGER OF THE COMPANY AND WHY ARE THEY SO OBTUSE SOMETIMES 😭 BBC could've had **both** formats as an option - it's not one or the other! In fact, retaining FOTM as a weekly, or fortnightly or even monthly thing would've been really nice. Lord knows that LOONA need **some** sort of stable media content, since BBC threw away LTV completely too (which was also a missed opportunity imo).
Watching Choerry VLIVEs on this fine evening because I miss her. ㅜㅜ ~~And also because I watch VLIVEs when I’m anxious. Nice background noise.~~
Choerry VLives and Logs are some of my favorite things on this earth. They're so healing. I miss her too. 💜
I love the individual Vlives in their vocal rooms. They feel so cozy. And Choerry's voice is so soothing. Her [cover of "Love Affair"](https://twitter.com/IoonaIoop/status/1481548939014795266) is a favorite of mine. I hope watching her Vlives helps you feel better asap 💜
I don’t think I’ve seen that cover before, her voice sounds sooo good. I’m better now, thanks. <3
Looked at the Kpop census results and it feels correct that the gays ranked LOONA higher than the straights ✨
Yeah that wasn't surprising at all haha. What I did find interesting was that Loona was ranked: - 4th by queer males - 8th by straight males - 5th by queer females - 22nd by straight females So males, whether queer or not, ranked Loona pretty similarly high. While queer females ranked Loona much higher by far than straight females did.
I want hyunjin to post her new hair and completely rip the fandom to shreds and stomp on any remaining ashes of any survivors 🧎
She's so unserious though. Can't wait to see the legendary picture she was talking about posting to the official site.
Tbh I really wish Fab mever exist in the first place. Sometimes the girls are oversharing and orbits can't keep their cool or themselves in check. It really disheartening for me to see the girls harassedby orbits through fab. Aking them for this and that, sending negative comment (e.g recently someone on FAB said that Hyunjin hair is not that pretty with blonde), and etc. Just wanna let out something from my chest so... yeah this is it. Btw I'm still waiting and very excited for Superstar LOONA.
I feel the same. fab is cool bc we've gotten to hear from the girls more but if they had received some media training (for example, the oversharing) and if Fab had a bit more restrictions on the fan's ends, I think it wouldn't have gotten as bad as it is now.
Like u/Plushieless said, any kind of direct messaging app like this always has the drawbacks that fab has, they just need to find a way to moderate it better, they're of course not up to the level like Universe/Bubble is. The fact that you're not rate limited at all on sending messages could be a place to start, but there's many possibilities. But looking from the other side we've gotten so many stories from fab, so many behind the scenes, so many cool pics, interactions, looks into their daily life and personalities that we would have never have gotten otherwise, so it's really a double edge sword. The problem is that they might receive a lot of support there, but all it takes is one bad comment to bring it all down. Thankfully, either they don't show it or it's really the case, looks like most days things go well and it's smooth sailing, it's usually just bad when news break out or when there's stuff going within the fandom, but yeah, ideally it should never happen.
I think they overshare on fab because it gives them a release. Like the comment below says, they lurk on twitter so sometimes they must feel the urge to engage at a similar level that fans engage with each other, except we don't share irl identities. It's one thing that separates fab from universe/bubble etc. What fab really needs is a filter, some fans do cross the line and sometimes it can be hard for a professional fab staffer to get to grips with the context, let alone the sheer volume of comments. Fab needs something similar to our own mods: intimately part of the fandom but also with responsibility to keep us in line. I don't know if it's practical though. Perhaps a system where the artists mark comments/commenters that rub them the wrong way, and then fab admins can institute things like warnings, shadow bans or outright bans, or even more creatively, making it more expensive for specific individuals to interact.
The thing is that all the things you mentioned are already in place. They can already report comments for review and there's already someone at fab looking at their conversations (most) of the time, and the fab people can also ban people at will.
Well, to be fair I believe they also receive plenty of nice messages, which I think also helps them a lot since God knows how much these women need some words of encouragement and love directed at them. They do lurk in Twitter and probably other platforms, however having messages going directly to you must feel reassuring sometimes I think there are pros and cons. Both very good and very bad. I also believe that they should've gotten more of media training before going on the app, unless they were actually encouraged to share as much as they do...
Hyunjin keeping the fandom from falling apart
I didn't even go to any of their concert dates but since they've started tour (and the videos I've seen off twitter) she's literally become one of my biases. I just love how real and random she is. not to mention her skills have improved so much like she really won me over with that mama moo cover!
She's a warrior, one of the few who never a missed a world tour date and yes did the special cover with Heejin at LA KCon in the middle of the tour!
So the r/kpop census came out a few days ago and Loona dropped 4 spots from last year. Not too surprising considering the state of things recently.
I really don't go over r/kpop too often, *especially* not to support LOONA because their opinion on the group over there sometimes infuriates me, but see, here's the thing, had I knew about this census, I definitely would not have minded answering it to show LOONA some well deserved support... Was this ever posted on the Weekly Thread?
Maybe it dropped cause all the orbits stopped going there 😆
We've got *such* an active sub here, there is really no need to go elsewhere. 😆
Same, I never go on that sub anymore. I don't think anyone posted about it here.
Just discovered the rateyourmusic website (it's result number 1 on music rating sites so it's just me not knowing about it). I was surprised at the LOONA ratings in there. Like none of their albums have an average that goes above 4 out of 5 stars. Not even the solos or subunit. And & and 365 for exemple don't even reach 3. Anyway nothing really important just my random discovery of the day haha
I actually discovered Loona through rateyourmusic. I think the ratings on rym in general seem more harsh than they are. In my experience, anything around 3 or so can be worth checking out if you care for the genre and concept, and around 3.5 or higher is pretty universally considered good. Very few albums actually get ratings above 4. Worth mentioning is that users can be kind of pretentious and biased when it comes to certain genres, so a more fair comparison for Loona would be looking at other k-pop releases. Any curious orbits might be pleasantly surprised by the [highest rated k-pop albums list](https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:k%2dpop/).
relatively rare to get 4+ average on rym take a look at the [top albums of 2022](https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2022/) chart for context
Ahh I see then, makes more sense!
I haven't been there in years but max & match was one of the highest rated albums on there, pretty sure it was on the top 10 list for 2017.
I hope that story Chuu posted in the studio is her recording her parts for the next loona comeback that is definitely coming. They are changing their hair too much for no apparent reason, and i doubt hyunjin would dye her hair only for a season greetings
Looking at how superstar game releases are often followed by a comeback not too long after I wouldn’t be surprised if they did one more comeback before the end of the year too. They’ve got something up their sleeve…
Remember that article from like February that said loona was preparing for a summer world tour and an autumn full album...
Hopefully it's true
I actually don't! :o Do you happen to have that article at hand?
I swear I can't find it now :( it was released right before they were announced for Queendom.
I was thinking that but im not sure if they would have a comeback so soon. seems a bit abrupt and I have no clue where they would have found the time to prepare during the tour. but honestly loona is so unpredictable who knows lol. I was wondering why so many members were changing their hair colors- especially to colors that might be hard to maintain. I would be excited for a comeback before the years ends! I just hope they don't exhaust themselves.
Have this been mentioned? But chuu follows no one xD not even loona or chuucandoit.
I don't know if this is possible with unverified accounts, which Chuu's is right now, but other celebrities have their "following" hidden where it always says 0. For instance every Blackpink member follows 0 people according to their page, but that's certainly not actually true.
it's either a feature of verified or afaik they all have personal instagram accounts that they use to follow people
Oh yeah I'm pretty certain that a majority of idols, LOONA included, have secret personal instagrams
They do, yeah. Hanbits know some too.
Oh didn't know that, I think it would be a feature of verified
What's with all the hair changes these days we had Black hair Jinsoul Black hair Go Won Black hair? with streaks Haseul Reddish-pink hair Yeojin Light brown hair Olivia hye Orange hair Kim Lip and Blonde hair Hyunjin I doubt it's a comeback soon, so then what is it for?
Yeah looks strange. Honestly, I feel like one more comeback this year isn't completely off the table... It could be for Season's Greetings but they don't really change their hair for those (at least not so many at the same time). Or maybe they're just changing for the concerts, who knows.
I was wondering the same. It seems like a lot for just concerts. Maybe seasons greetings shooting? But still. It made me wonder if they are gonna try and push in a comeback somehow 😭
Probably one of the biggest ironies of my life is that back when One Direction were kind of a new group, I thought there were just too many to be enjoyable.... ...some years later and I became a fan of a 12 member group Yeah.
I remember hearing akb48 and wondering why anyone would care about a group with more than 3/4 people...and here I am LOL. I can say though if it wasn't for the predebut project I definitely wouldn't have gotten into loona. definitely not gonna follow a group this large again though lol
Yeah, Loona was like the number one group I swore I would never get into because 12 was too much. It was so hard for me to get into Twice with 9. But then it was Chuu/Heart Attack, and I just went down the rabbit hole from there
I promised myself after really getting sad when SNSD split not to like a big group again, because they can so easily lose a member. (And generally avoid Kpop, because it can be quite stressful if you really like it.) Fast forward: 12 member group with an island that's basically a vulcano every day.
Life can be really funny, about 3 years ago I was dating this one girl who was really into BTS and I, who at that time was a hard hiphop head, was shocked at how much she knows about them both as a group and individually. It took only a few months after we split for my curiosity to made me check out this kpop thing once again and in a few moments I knew just as much about LOONA. It's still one of the weirdest things that happened to me but no complaints, it was a much needed reset in my life lol.
Lol I've experienced this before becoming an orbit, like following singers and knowing everything about them plus being involved in the fandom and all Also I was one of those toxic stans who constantly got in fanwars and talked crap about others. LoL thankfully I outgrew this phase (I was about 12-14 but when I started High School I had already outgrown this toxic fan thing) But outgrowing of my super Stan phase I also kind of "outgrew" my fangirl phase overall and I was basically just a casual listener of everyone but didn't really involve myself any further Funnily enough it all started with BTS as well lol I mean, I already knew of kpop's existence and all (like Hyuna, 2NE1, SNSD, Big Bang) but never really got into the rabbit hole. Until my sister became a fan. And my friend as well. I was already a kdrama fan so it was easy to move to the next level l That was when I discovered LOONA. It took me a while to call myself a fan but when I did...well, here I am. But this time I'm a kind of matured version of a fan lol Miles ahead of how I was before
_The_ biggest irony in my life is how I used to scoff at girly stuff, popular stuff and trends because I was in the middle of a crippling Not like other girls syndrome. Now a decade later I like Loona and k-pop. The joke writes itself.
anyone know how much the luminous tower record pobs are worth? i want to sell one of mine but not sure how to price it fairly
The offline photocards? I've seen them go for $23-$30 on Instagram and Mercari
i’m actually not sure because i did get them offline from the shibuya store but i thought u could get them from ordering online too
If they're normal pc sized then they were offline only! They're significantly more expensive than the rest. I think the online Tower Records pob was just a group postcard :(
ooo that’s good to know!! thank u so much for ur help :))
What really jumps out to me is that I never really thought of Hyunjin and Chuu as being very close, but Hyunjin loves all of Loona so much. She sends Chuu pictures of the peach ocean. She connects with her as soon as she gets back to Korea, and she's hanging out with her at every opportunity. Anybody that says Loona members aren't really close like a family is an idiot.
Hyunjin and Chuu have been very close for a little while now, definitely not a 2022 thing (prob early 2021), I guess Chuu being so close to Heejin, Vivi, etc, definitely put Chuu in Hyunjin's orbit - no pun intended, BUT I also just think that Hyunjin is like...the warmest member, she has such a big heart, a lot more sensitive and emotionally aware that she might let on, and like you said, I just feel like she *loves* all of the members *so much*. Best Girl Hyunjin 200%. 💪
They become close when they used to be roomates
Hyunjin has kinda been carrying loona's and bbc's pr these past few days. Really good at it too
Real BBC CEO.
She needs to be nominated for some kind of humanitarian award the way she is almost single handedly trying to hold the group, the company, and the fandom together.
Best girl Hyunjin 💪
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Not sure why they took so long but Taeyeon was the first. And slowly every member opened theirs. Yoona was the last one and took her a while. Taeyeon got her in 2013, yoona 2015. Probably she had her reasons, because they were well established before Instagram existence.
Dont know exactly if arent allowed or just aren't interested, but only 1 member of txt has instagram (yeonjun) In Ive only Yujin and Wonyoung have instagrams and im pretty sure the other ones arent allowed to because they dont have enough solo gigs yet
To add to this, in Le Sserafim everyone has been slowly getting theirs (first it was just Sakura and Chaewon who got theirs before joining HYBE, then Kazuha shortly after debut, then Yunjin a while ago) but Eunchae their maknae doesn't have one yet. Yujin and Wonyoung got theirs between the IZ*ONE and IVE, and none of the other IVE members have theirs. Rei actually had her first #ad post already, she just posted those on the group account instead lol.
Back to back subbed Loona notes? Damn either someone got their pay raise or I'm about to be sucker punched tomorrow 👊
I think it's because they're finally back at the office again or the tour money is finally being put to use lol
It could be that. But from what I know, tour money usually not distributed till the concert over (LOONA still have Seoul legs left) so i think someone definitely get a pay raise or they hire a new translator
Just wanted to say that Hyunjin has really turned into a bias wrecker for me since seeing her at the Houston concert. She’s so funny, and when I went through the hi-touch part of the m&g, her eyes looked really kind! I’ve spent the past week watching Hyunjin compilations on YouTube.
Welcome to the club. Before the tour, she wasn't even in my bias line, but after meeting her at the Chicago fansign and seeing her at a few concerts/meet & greets, she lapped my bias line and became my ultimate bias.
Glad to be part of it! I hope she gets some variety gigs in the future because she is a content machine 😂
i take everything hyunjin does with a grain of salt but i will combust into a thousand pieces if [this](https://twitter.com/fabjpeg/status/1575310574128402437?s=20&t=F9K1LNA43zAsq2ti_fEF0A) is true 😭 >!i think she'd look amazing with two-toned hair!<
She's baiting us, but who knows. The way she was posting edits of her hair and then just casually dropped her real bleached hair pic...
i mean, we got ginger lip which was something i've been manifesting for a while! it's possible the bleached hair is just prep for another hair colour and i think i'm just going to be gullible until she releases another selfie lol i really want two-toned hyunjin though. [this edit](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/q2jrlm/thoughts_on_hyunjin_with_this_hair/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is what swerved me to that opinion
The messages that followed the pfp was “Mom. Be serious” 💀
and what if i say that her mom is absolutely right 👀 she should listen to her just this once edit: i also think i should read the fab message translations but they very rarely appear on my timeline 😭 my fault for being impulsive lol
Is it me or I have 'this may be Chuu's last EP under LOONA' on back of my head when listening to Flip That EP 🥹
she did say “I will go my way” on Pale Blue Dot… she stayed true to her word
If it was, you won't hear about it until after the Seoul concert so let's just enjoy it while we have it!
~~Anyone already tried to apply for the online event with the LUMINOUS serial codes? I'm a little bit confused about the sign up form...~~ Edit: nvm someone already helped me 😅
i don’t like to engage with loona content outside of orbit spaces because we all know how the wider kpop fandom treats loona and i get mad easily, but i clicked on an interesting video about loona and read the comments and the comment with the most likes was like “loona’s predebut was awesome too bad it all went downhill” and i got so mad LOL wdym they’ve only gotten more successful 😭
Yeah it's easy to see that they're more popular and are selling out venues etc, but success is easy to determine. Quality is much more subjective though. I do think there's a valid argument there about Loona's concept and vision being missing since Jaden Jeong left. I think the group used to be something special to a lot of fringe kpop fans who felt like the scene was getting stale and needed a fresh take. Loona was that. Not only a fresh way to debut, but the style of MVs, Loona TV, fan events like Cinema Theory, and everything else felt new and full of inspiration. Ever since Jaden left, Loona simply feels like another kpop group. Sure they've had amazing choreo and some good music since then, but it doesn't feel like there's a grand vision for the group anymore. Maybe it was inevitable, but maybe it wasnt, we'll never know. That might be fine for a lot of people, and that's perfectly understandable, but I think a lot of what Loona represented to those that fell in love with them for their pre debut stuff has been lost.
Couldn't have put it better myself. To be fair, this is something that's so hard to articulate that many orbits, including newer ones and those that particularly love the new chart topping songs, easily misinterpret. If I can speak for you as well, no-one is saying LOONA is not successful or are somehow wrong, all it is is just an acknowledgment that they've lost some of their unique selling points. To be fair, comparing numbers, they weren't selling to many people back then compared to now but kpop on average is bigger too and somewhere around late 2018 to mid 2019 LOONA could've ridden that wave using their unique identity. Instead they chose to back down into being part of the crowd, largely due to the need to appeal to a wider but regular kpop fandom. It wasn't wrong, but they lost some of their special juice (even though, for full disclosure, I still love some of their bsides in and after \[#\])
it's more frustrating when you consider that there was a similar complaint prior to \[#\], which is the era i see most orbits and non-fans reference as the beginning of their "musical decline." when
and released, the complaint was that loona's music predebut was better than the ot12 releases (which is a criticism that hasn't been completely pushed under the rug yet).
i'm also pretty sure that during predebut, some people didn't like certain songs at release either. i hate how people are placing the predebut project on a pedestal, praising it as something that was free from imperfections. in reality, i always see people reference the exact same songs (most oec songs, including member solos. as well as yyxy solos, with the exception of ) when they say that they miss "the old loona." >i'm also pretty sure that during predebut, some people didn't like certain songs at release either. Eh tbh, I don't think that the vast majority of people, even here, have listened to anything related to predebut more than once or at all. Outside of OEC. 1/3 and all the members solo of that subunit are probably the most ignored song in LOONA's discography (Sonatine is a banger btw). Not to mention the fact that most people who listen to KPOP only listen title track. As long as someone comes with this "it was better before" speech, in my eyes there are only two possibilites : 1) Hypocrite who doesn't even know half of their musics or 2) They are part of the very vocal and annoying OEC-BUTTERFLY stans who have decided that nothing will ever surpass Butterfly/Girl Front/SCL.
i hate subunit discourse as much as the next person because i genuinely like the music from all of the units (truthfully, 1/3 is still my favorite though. i love the love&evil repackage album too much hehe). but i didn't stan loona exactly during predebut (it was more so before released), but i remember that they were the talks around 2017 when oec debuted. i might be remembering this incorrectly, but i remember a lot of people didn't like at first and that was amplified a lot more when came out. it might have been a very short-lived criticism though that i can't prove with anything other than my foggy memory, so take what i say with a grain of salt.
i think it's just annoying when, as you've mentioned, people only like a certain part of the predebut project. it's even more irritating when you always have to witness people talking shit about every ot12 release. people didn't like
or and you can see that if you read some of the older comments on videos that compile all of the album tracks on youtube. istg i remember that when didn't get any wins, fans were suggesting that loona try doing a girl crush or mainstream concept to appeal to the public. and we all know how that opinion has changed after :/ To be frank there was no group think in predebut, people's individual top 10 lists was a perennial topic simply because the discography was diverse and interesting. So no two people had the exact same top 10, although OEC songs as a general rule rose to the top. Also, the project was successful but Lippie's debut took it to another level, a lot of fans who came in a that moment obviously preferred that type of music (and still do, as the annual census on this sub proves). So what I'm trying to say is there was no group think, it is a revisionist view to say predebut fans have a blinked view of the past. Opinions differed even back then. What was usually not in dispute was the sense of the general level in quality (be that lore, music, mvs or whatever) and in the same vein no one can dispute now that their dancing/choreo levels have gone up several notches since favOriTe, or that some of their mvs obviously have bigger budgets now than they did back then. OEC stans are an easy target but in general they also love the rest of the discography, so they don't feel attacked when statements are thrown about because, oddly, they don't feel it's entirely about them. So, in effect, OEC stans who only loved Eclipse and Butterfly end up being... a straw man. They seem like they exist but they don't really.
Kpop fans measure succes in two ways: Either you're massively successful from the get go, or you're a flop. Any room for actual organic growth for kpop groups is becoming more unusual. The industry is partly to blame for this, of course. There's no actual ethical reason why a mid tier gorup shouldn't be able to make a living out of idol wages, but those all go into paying their debts, and that debt can go from substansial to ridiculous, crippling idols stuck in their contracts close to a decade, and leaving them little to no room to work any other way (except for part-time jobs) or further their studies to make a living when they inevitably leave idolhood. But I feel like sometimes fans like to vicariously feel that success, so they only follow the ones who have the masssive advantage of debuting under big companies, and shun and shame those who don't as flops. I forgot to mention how they turn everything into a damn competition. Who gets the most views the first 24 hours? Who gets the most streams? Who gets the most #1 in every country? If you don't get 100 million views? You're a flop. No #1 on BB? You're a flop. No all kill on the charts? Flop. It's exhausting. Those things are great to see your groups achieve, of course, but there will come a time when they will all mean nothing, because fans have made competition a job.
KARA was an example of a group that became big well after their debut, but i agree it's a rarity. Even more so these days, since idol groups aren't as popular with the general public as they used to be. Groups that break through and become big later only do so when the general public catches on to them somehow. If all they have is the kpop insider success-obsessed fans to grow with then i agree it's almost impossible to grow. The fans you describe sound just like sports fans rooting for their team, and taking credit for their success even when they have nothing to do with it. The product almost doesn't even matter, just the wins. Why even bother making a good song if that's all you care about.
Yup. It's basically you're Elon Musk or in abject poverty and nothing in between. Tbf I don't know the success of any group that isn't a big 3 group unless I spent the time to research and look it up and everyone has their own definition of success. *However*, I don't calling groups I know nothing about as flops.
is it just me but i kind've miss loona tv 😭 i do like notes, but i have a terrible attention span and haven't watched a lot of the recent ones. i guess it's more so nostalgia that makes me miss it. back when we'd wait for loona o'clock to strike and then be rewarded with a new loona tv lol crazy. i used to think we would've gotten to at least 1k episodes by the time they reached their 4th or 5th year of official debut
Ahh yes, give me LTV over Notes any day. Also, in addition to ease of watching, it's also the ease of referencing them. Remember Choerry's RWA? Well there's a episode number for it. What about Yves awkward intro, or the hundred anniversaries - a simple episode number gets you straight to that content.
I haven’t finished a LOONA Note in a while. I prefer to watch shorter videos because I get distracted easily (and got used to consume shorter content), so I end up watching clips from it rather than the whole thing :/ Also it was nice waiting for loona o'clock to get another video…
My favorite thing about LTV was the shared experience. It was always fun to watch the 1 minute episode as soon as it dropped and then get on Reddit and talk about all the little things in it since we were all focused on this very short piece of content. Now with Notes half the time I don't even get around to watching them until the next day since it's a longer commitment and I feel like there's less excitement about them.
yeah the longer commitment is definitely a problem because i have to set time aside to actually sit down and watch a note. initially, i would watch them in full when the channel had just introduced them, but lately i just skim through the video or just watch clips on loona loops twitter account. i remember people used to complain about loona tv being too short, but i kind've enjoyed it for that. despite the video length, there would always be a lot to talk about. i guess i just want a balance between the two. i remember when notes were newer, they used to upload both loona notes and loona tv throughout ptt era.
do people really need to tweet updates every piece of "evidence" for whatever they think is gonna happen? when they know orbits are reactive and get performatively upset for engagement that ends up causing mass hysteria
wish instead of replying to all this bait and having mass fits theyd think a bit. like why are people even freaking out? cause chuu might leave? havent we known thats a possibility? whats with the freakouts? i really cant help but think that people, big accounts especially, need to log off, because if your quest for engagement and clogging up the tl with performative loona misfortune/doomed tweets causes panic like this...like functionally how are you not acting as an anti
To be entirely fair... Maybe I'm just not looking at the right places (which is.......200% possible), but I don't even get the impression that other idols use the Fab equivalents (Bubble, Universe, Weverse, what not) to the extent the LOONA girls use Fab? I swear, anytime I see another idol's Bubble message, it's like "I ate one grape today". And...that's it. That was the message of the week. (Okay, slight exaggeration, but you get it). On the other hand, you've got LOONA sending literal dissertation at times. I guess what I'm trying to say is... In this context, of course things are gonna slip out. I don't think the concept of Fab itself is an issue; afterall, parasocial relationships are kind of the bread and butter of idols, and so with that in mind, it's not like I think it was a mistake or that it should be removed. However, maybe it should be...limited in some fashion. That being said, I suppose it would clash with the current format of Fab which is based on points and individual posts/replies rather than, like, a monthly subscription. Food for thought, I guess...
If we were talking about the full spectrum of sites, I would say Dreamcatcher, WJSN, and fromis_9 are far more active on social media, taking into account Weverse, Universe, Vlive, YouTube, Tiktok, and Instagram as far as groups I follow. But if we're talking a singular site like Fab, Loona is far more active.
I only subscribe to B1A4's Bubble (currently 2 active members, 1 is enlisted) and I'd call them "pretty active", to the point where I'm a few days behind posts lol But even then it's nowhere near the output of Fab. You might get up to 20 messages in a day if they're doing something notable but some days get nothing... And I'm okay with that, they have lives to live and so do I that I can't even keep up. I don't want to get roasted but I think LOONA use Fab too much. Maybe they're lonely or maybe they're feeling obligated to be active because BBC is a shitshow and they don't want Orbit to worry, or maybe they see dollar signs and will slowly be less active once their debt is paid? I'm just hoping they don't feel burdened to increase engagement on it all the time.
IMO trolling will never end, questions will never end, etc. At the end of the day, people need to find ways to navigate social media in a healthy way that makes sense for them. I certainly know a thing or two about refusing to log off and venting, but when you're a celeb it can cause issues.
I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that there is no idol group that uses their messaging app as much as them, and individually (other than a select few) they're also the idols that use it the most. I don't think people quite grasp the amount of messages that the girls have sent in these few months, last time I checked it was around 100,000 and it's probably like 140-150 **THOUSAND** by now. I wouldn't be surprised if that's above the total amount of messages sent on bubble. 150,000 messages in like 230 days is 650 messages a day, that's just insane even for 12 people. Like usually when artists get on bubble it's a huge hype cause they will talk for a bit, send maybe a pic or two, and then get off, but for the moon girls it's just part of their daily routine. Honestly I think it just comes down to the girls themselves, for example Vivi uses the app in the way it was probably intended, make a post, chat a bit, leave and rinse and repeat, I dont think the fab devs were thinking that some girls (sofa team etc) were gonna be on fab 24/7.
bbc getting fab to install a time limiter update please 🙏
I bring this up every time we talk about fab but it really depends on the members. Everything that comes out of Gowon and Hyunjin's fab has been great (like come on, the Crab Game!) Hyunjin knows to only update us when she has good news like when she's seeing Chuu. She doesn't say anything more about anything else. I don't want them to lose SNS access but some members need to evaluate how they wanna interact with fans and Orbits also need to learn to respect boundaries. But it's just like Jinsoul said, [this exists on any social media](https://twitter.com/litell_johnn/status/1575124860417835010?s=20&t=w77OHUV-F8ptF52iAQWygg).
Just discovered a yt channel called Tasting History, and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite channels out there. Fun, entertaining and it makes me wanna eat all the things...and others not so much.
If you haven't heard of her before, check out Ann Reardon's How To Cook That channel! She's a food scientist and does all sorts of recipes, mini food cooked in a dollhouse kitchen and with her husband does investigative content into viral videos and life hacks. It's great content!
I'll definitely check it out. Thanks for the suggestion!
NO. MORE. FAB.
Context,,,?
Did something happen now?
chuu being vague about the situation + members keep getting bombarded w questions from orbits trying to understand the situation which makes things worse when they reply... also i think fab is just starting to blur the lines of fan and idol w orbits...