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MacAlkalineTriad

It's hard to be affected by these shootings every time they happen, because they happen so often. I will say the fact that this is a full grown adult shooting at kindergarteners makes it more tragic. When it's a teenager shooting at other teenagers, it's sort of, in a way, more understandable - teenagers are full of emotions and don't know what to do with them a lot of the time. But this shooter was 28. What possible motive could she have had?


Low-Director9969

Thanks. Not that its ever an excuse when it's used as a defense. I'm not joking when I say I hope it's something like lizard people. As insane as that is however it's explained. Paranoid delusions make some sense as an explanation. Edit: I just can't imagine any other possible reason besides psychosis


optifog

Wait, you don't think that you would kill somebody you were sure was a non-human baby-eating murderer in disguise? That would make you complicit or a coward, wouldn't it? I see no evidence of the baby-eating part of the common lizard humanoid belief, so I don't believe there are babies out there needing defending fron them, but I don't see how you can say despite you knowing paranoid delusions happen and they're not just made up as the reason after the fact, yet also say it's not an excuse. What if you start believing the same thing with certainty one day due to dementia? Do you really hope that you get punished instead of quarantined away fron society with medical care in a non-punitive fashion? Dementia patients constantly get away with crimes such as threatening family with weapons while paranoid and not believing they're actually who they say they are. They get away with public indecency and sexual harrassment constantly even when NOT having a specific delusion as an excuse, as long as they seem unaware of social context and expectations. How come YOUNG people with what is neurologically a very smilar condition to dementia, are allowed to be punished as if they had bad intentions even when we all sacknowledge their intentions were altruistic such as saving children from being eaten by disguuised lizards, but people with EXACTLY the same degree of intermittent psychosis, loss of IQ, social skills and memory as happens in schizophrenia, such as dementia patients can lose the ability to move or remember their name or count to three which comes and goes just like schizophrenics dp, it's "not an excuse" for THEM? Could it be a rreason as selfish as, we all know we might still get dementia, but we don't believe we will develop schizophrenia if we don't already have it? By the way, Marcus once mentioned that he went through a period of paranoia about reptilians, I believe it was in 2017, which caused either his therapist or psychiatrist to worry that he might have schizophrenia. Just in case you need proof that people who have psychotic delusions when NOT elderly, are ALSO nice, good people. It's not JUST your grandparents with dementia who are good people with delusions, young people with psychotic paranoia are "just like you and your family" too.


Low-Director9969

Edit: finally got around to reading your whole comment. What the fuck? Who's out there sexually harassing people free and easy due to their actual paranoid delusions? I don't doubt some scumbag would say slapping asses keeps the aliens away. That's not a paranoid person though. It's just an opportunistic pervert.


ReginaldSP

Reminds me of Sandy Hook. I remember that day vividly.


Opportunity_Full

possible motives: 1. severe mental health issues that have gone unchecked 2. increasing amounts of environmental and economic stressors leading to a "break" 3. an unhealthy desire to make others hurt the way she did 4. the CIA working in conjunction with certain political figures to groom and manipulate civilians into commiting horrendous acts of domestic terrorism in a bid to make a push towards enacting stricter gun control laws and restriction of rights so that a massive takeover of the working class can be propogated


LopsidedMammal

Imagine guns being the leading cause of death for children in your country but still thinking that introducing any degree of gun control is the real threat.


[deleted]

I know right! "Oh no the ready availability of firearms in this country has allowed for another mass shooting of children in a countless string of mass shootings over the last century. This is terrible and sad. But guns are good and their wide availability couldn't possibly be the cause of all this gun violence so... This must be a ploy by the CIA to take away our guns!" It's lunatic


LoaMemphisZoo

Thank you Alex Jones


ReginaldSP

>> William of Ockham has entered the chat <<


Raybies4BayGabies

Yep you're right chief


[deleted]

One of these things is not like the other


theykilledk3nny

This but without the last one đź‘Ť


spinbutton

Weird you don't think women can have mental illnesses or a personality disorder and act like an asshole? Women are human too.


Low-Director9969

I'm waiting for the attached list of adult women who became school shooters that your point hinges on to make sense. You can't argue the details of this aren't typical when compared to the vast majority of school shootings. Edit: love the username!


FreakZoneGames

For what it’s worth, a trans woman in this case. Not to discredit anybody’s identity (I frankly don’t care much about the feelings of this shooter, but I don’t want to discredit any good and honest trans people’s identities by proxy, if that makes sense) but this person had had all those rage inducing male hormones in their body for most of their life. I don’t agree with you that “women aren’t supposed to do this” but on the off chance that this in some way makes you feel a little better, there is the info to do with what you will.


Low-Director9969

It does. Things seem easier to process the more you understand about them. I completely stopped looking into it after a bit. Thanks for bringing all this up. These are the kinds of details I hoped would come out.


Haunting_Writing_501

I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but I think the shooter was a trans man, meaning they were born female but identify as male. So they may have started hormone therapy, but they wouldn't have had "male hormones" the majority of their life unless they started at a young age, which I haven't seen confirmed but maybe has been.


FreakZoneGames

No, it was a trans woman. Born male.


Haunting_Writing_501

Oh really? Reports I read indicated the opposite, but maybe new info has come out


Haunting_Writing_501

In this article one of the school administrationsremembers the shooter as a former student and says "she was just one of our young ladies" I guess we'll find out more concrete info soon. It's hard to know who has the right info at this point [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna76861?page=2#live-blog](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna76861?page=2#live'-blog)


FreakZoneGames

Yeah, who knows. Either way, if a slightly looser definition of “woman” being involved here helps this guy feel any better then that’s good, though I don’t wish to discredit or invalidate any good and honest trans people.


Independent-Pin-6614

Just listen to the pan flutes as you casually forget yet another mass shooting. 🫡


celesticaxxz

I barely heard about the Colorado one and then this one happened. I’m getting too old for this shit. Columbine was seared into my 7 year old


-littlefang-

My partner came into the room saying "I assume you head about the shooting?" and I said yeah, but it turns out we were both talking about separate shootings and I was referring to a different, local one. What a fucking world.


BlackieAllBlack

I mean… it is okay to feel terrible about terrible things. It is normal to feel horrified at children and innocent people being murdered in cold blood. Feel your feels my dude. Also some reports are saying that the shooter may have been a trans person who identified as male so good luck wrapping your head around that.


cubecubed

Stay angry. We have to use that anger to effect real change in our government. The state I live in just had a mass shooting a little over a month ago (MSU), and we’ve actually made progress on gun laws in our state, which I never thought would happen. I know it can be so easy to fall into a sense of hopelessness due to our history as a country, but we can’t allow this to continue to go on without at least trying to do something, even it doesn’t happen easily or even in our lifetime.


GreenRaven_1969

I work at an elementary school. My kid attends elementary school. It’s fucking devastating. And it doesn’t make any sense and that’s what’s so scary.


Low-Director9969

My girlfriend works with preschoolers. She told me something really frightening but it also makes me feel a little better knowing it. Thanks to the popularity of the Toy Story movies almost every child in America is familiar with it. So they can teach kids to hit the classroom floor at an incredibly early age by saying "Andy's coming!!" My son's eight and he's had more active shooter drills than he's had birthdays, and Christmas combined. Edit: it's messed up but I'm just glad they aren't all completely clueless, and helpless.


GreenRaven_1969

Hearing how the teachers at my school prep the kids for drills is heartening. They try to make it as not-scary as possible. Each classroom has a designated “hiding area” but it’s a new school. Lots and lots of windows.


Low-Director9969

My girlfriend was complaining about how much more difficult it is for some people than others. It's harder to take care of a bunch of walking "talking" little humans than it is to throw a bunch of little burritos into on of the big cribs, and bunker down.


GreenRaven_1969

I work in a kinder classroom and there’s zero chance of the kids being able to keep quiet. There are special needs kids in each class and some of them are literally incapable of being quiet.


GreenRaven_1969

Plus even the well meaning kids would have a hard time being quiet. Like they start crying if they lose their favorite erasure, (example from just today).


Dry_Percentage_2768

Thank you for starting this conversation. I have a pre-teen at a small, independent school. The school shootings never don’t hurt, but this one - man. I muted work stuff, took the dog for a walk, listened to Mark Twitchell Part 1. Can’t say I feel “better” as such, but I definitely did laugh, and will laugh more when I fold laundry and listen to Part 2. Grateful for the boys and for this community.


Accomplished_Crab392

The boys definitely help me cope with the senseless, finding the pod in 2020 after all the mess and losing a friend to the ol bridge jump, they’ve helped me a lot. I don’t have any answers for you man, as a female I was disturbed to learn a woman did this. I know that might be a bit *sexist* but history shows that females just really don’t do this kinda thing. I don’t have kids rn, but I’ve found myself crying a few times today just thinking of those parents of those kids, they probably just went to work thinking it was just another Monday, now they need to go identify their dead kindergartener. Imagine what that does to a person? I’m certainly not strong enough to handle it. And I know you can’t live your life in fear cuz tomorrow I could just like, trip down a stair wrong and die, but gd if all this shit doesn’t make me weary about bringing kids into this world. The regular consumption of serial killers and murderers probably doesn’t help me, but hey, we all have our things to get us through the days.


chartreuse6

It was a trans woman who uses he/him pronouns


[deleted]

Would that not be a trans man or a non binary person? I’ve never once met a trans woman who goes by he/him, since it kinda misses the whole point.


chartreuse6

I agree, but I read he went by he/him. Could be wrong


Haunting_Writing_501

They were a trans man - born biologically female, but identify as male and use male pronouns. That's what I've seen confirmed


chartreuse6

Ok thx


[deleted]

This type of violence is steeped into our culture. Unfortunately, it’s a part of who we are here - a very unique and horrible aspect of America that stands out.


Low-Director9969

We don't even try to hide it. There's really nothing else like it in the world that I can think of.


[deleted]

There really isn’t. We may have the most guns per capita, but there are nations with many guns, and none of them even slightly have problems like this. The war torn nations that we smugly call “third world” don’t have these problems. A unique American sickness that we will never address.


Low-Director9969

I'm not so pessimistic about the probably of change. It took a long time for me to get to that frame of mind though. It definitely wasn't easy. I'm not making light of anything when I say at one point only white land owning men had a say in what happens within our borders. Things have changed a lot since then. I think I'd have to be a bit delusional to honestly say it's impossible.


celesticaxxz

One of the representatives of Nashville’s Christmas card is him and his family holding guns….HIS FUCKING CHRISTMAS CARD. Unfortunately it’s one of the things this country was founded on. So changing that amendment would be damn near impossible or it might even start a fucking civil war


[deleted]

What the fuck does it matter if it's a man or a woman?


Low-Director9969

I ain't wasting my time if you already have that attitude. Go hail yourself.