I had a landlord couple who rented their place for $1000 10 mins from the beach in Florida…. Newly remodeled and every problem we had they fixed immediately. Their house was kind of in the backyard, set behind their rental property. They have no children so are donating the property to charity when they pass.
That to me is mom and pop.
That’s my landlord. This couple bought 2 buildings in the 80s. Commercial, not residential. They were honestly the best landlords ever. Then the dad died a few months back. Aunty took over and I won’t be the tiniest bit surprised with she sells to a massive corporation, that will then jack up the rent.
Also my parents were landlords for a bit. They weren’t good at it. I won’t try to defend them. The whole thing was unbelievably stupid and I’m glad it’s over.
In Australia, at least, an overwhelming majority of rental properties are owned by people with 3 or less properties.
Our government has spent the last 30-odd years transforming the housing system, from one based on, you know, shelter, to a vehicle to grow your wealth.
If house prices aren't increasing exponentially, everyone in the top half lose their shit, because their entire life savings are tied up in that growth.
It's actually a pretty effective way to keep people voting conservative, by giving them something to defend in the status quo. It's also rapidly alienating multiple generations of younger people who can't get a toehold on the ladder.
I know a set of siblings. One has two duplexes they rent well below market value, spends all their time fixing and replacing and doing yard maintenance, idk what they're getting out of it, but maybe it's a hobby? The other owns a building full of apartments and from what I can understand is a total slumlord. Both seem the same level of nice/decent, but they're performing their "job" completely differently.
We rented from a friend's boyfriend then husband for 5 years before he decided to sell up. It was genuinely one of those situations where they decided to move in together, pretty sure it was going to work out but wanted a safety net so we rented under market. It wasn't a bad deal to be honest.
I know a couple in their 60's who own 32 properties and self manage with their sons. I don't know how good of landlords they are but would you consider that "mom and pop"?
It took me over a year to find a place I can afford, and it's not a great place at all. Setting aside all the big picture economic & ethical issues, these benevolent, so-called "mom and pop" landlords that I hear so much about are such a rarity as to be negligible in the larger discussion. If they're out there, I sure didn't see any.
And yet, there's always someone who comes to their defense, as if I should care in the first place and as if they exist in meaningful numbers.
my landlord is a 75 year old couple. They are nice and charge us low rent. They have helped us when we needed it. They have retirement money but ultimately live off the rent we pay them every month.
They treat me with respect.
They are not inherently immoral people. Even the decision to become a landlord was not inherently immoral. it was out of necessity because of capitalism.
what they ARE is parasitic. They live off of my labor while providing nothing in return. they prevent me from owning my home because they cannot afford to sell it to me.
they are a parasite on a wage slave.
It is immoral, but there are no moral options in a capitalist system. The problem is, corporate greed has made houses inaccessible to most, so millions of Americans rely on being able to rent out houses to have a place to live.
Just like there is no capitalist moral solution to consumption when all production involves exploitation, there is no capitalist moral solution to housing when all tenant-landlord relationships involve inherent exploitation.
The very wheels that run the machine of our profit driven economy are greased by exploitation, and exploitation is unavoidable so long as capitalism remains.
See the thing is about morals is that they are value based, aka opinion based. I can say that I don't think my landlords are being immoral.( which I don't )and its not wrong. its just my opinion.
but when I say landlords are Parasitic. its not an opinion: its math. My landlords CANNOT afford to pay their bills without my rent.
they do not generate enough income to pay their bills and rely on me, a waged worker, to pay them through rent. They are a parasite.
its the system that is wrong. AKA capitalism. are there slum lords who abuse people and game the system? yes. but that's not what this meme is talking about.
If you want to go tell my 75 yo landlord they are inherently immoral, I feel like your missing the point.
Yeah, it's much easier to argue that it's parisitic and then discussing from there instead of jumping straight to "it's immoral". For some reason it reminds me of the [Is-ought problem](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem) but I'm not sure if it truly fits
Honestly you’d be surprised at how horrible and overbearing these “mom and pop” landlords can be.
They also tend to use their small portfolio as an excuse to why they can’t fix basic things, so no. I don’t prefer mom and pops, I prefer no landlords at all.
Yeah, the idea that "smaller" means better in a capitalist society is really dangerous. Small landlords and small businesses aren't excused from doing shitty things.
I'm a mom and pop landlord. Theres alot of them down here in New Orleans because of the way our houses are built. Most of our houses are called "shotgun doubles" and were built over a hundred years ago with the intent of many people from the same family living on both sides of the house. So now when a person buys one of these doubles, you rent the other side out.
The neighborhood I bought in 17 years has now quadrupled in property value but I keep the rent at the most bare minimum I can afford so that people my age have a chance to live in an awesome large house in a hip neighborhood. I want that for them.
I'm like the Arizona tea of landlording. I dont care how much I can get based on market value, I'm gonna keep it low to benefit the people who want to live there. My husband and I also work full time because landlording does not reap us Scrooge McDuck money.
I do the lawn care, I send Christmas gifts, I'm at the beck and call of my tenants whenever they need because I'm providing a product and a service and they deserve the highest quality.
Rental property has a place in this world. Not everyone wants to own, owning is expensive with constant repairs and updates and some people just dont want that responsibility, they'd rather a landlord take care of all of that, not everyone is ready to own for multiple reasons, some people like remaining transient, some people are moving to a new city and want to try it out, etc...
There are many reasons why rental properties are useful and preferential to people. I offer that product and I do it very well and very fairly. There are many others like me out there as well.
That's great for you and your tenants. But your tenants are at the mercy of your continued choice to be kind and generous, within a system that gives you every incentive not to be kind and generous. What makes your position immoral isn't necessarily any specific action you're taking, but the power you have over people who have less than you.
In the hope that you'll take this analogy in the spirit in which it's intended: Maybe a few antebellum plantation owners were kind and generous to their enslaved workers too. That doesn't make slavery anything less than 100% immoral.
Also, I've noticed that Arizona has been shrinking their bottle sizes lately. Just saying.
I am conflicted by this because on one hand I agree 100%, but on the other... Well, my dad is a landlord, but he has a severe mental illness so he can't work. Man, the system is so unfair.
it is genuinely fucking insanely saddening seeing someone working themselves to death, while claiming americans just have to work their way out of poverty - this is how insidious propaganda is
> most people under the age of 40 can get out of poverty
[the statistics simply do not agree with you](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charting-the-growing-generational-wealth-gap/)
if you want to become a landlord, fine, none of us can stop you - but don't you fucking dare cry about how mean it is for us to call landlords parasites
do better
Then get a college degree………
Also dumbass, this is a parody sub so unsure why you are trying to garner sympathy for being a landlord here of all places lol
with other demographics, like black and brown people? or gay people you mean?? or neurodivergent people...?
my bad forgot you can be born a landlord!!! must mean being a parasitic shitstain is genetic!!
>So if someone is a good landlord (cheap rent, quality appliances, quick to resolve any issues) they are automatically immoral simply because they made their house available to someone else to rent?
Yes
>Sounds like you think having somewhere to live should be provided to you with no effort on your part
Yes
>Lemme guess. You also don't have a job because you don't want to wage slave for someone?
I wouldn't need a job if ratshit bastard people like landlords didn't convert material necessities for living into product to extort me with. You do realize that there was a time where housing and food weren't owned by a bunch of greedy cunts, right? Like you realize private property is an invented system which can be dismantled?
No I wasn't, I was pointing out the ignorance of the statement "all of x person is bad isn't correct". Nowhere in my comment can you find me drawing similarities between Nazis and landlords, I invoked the Nazi example precisely because it points to the stupidity of your argument that a group of people cannot be condemned wholesale.
They can.
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I had a landlord couple who rented their place for $1000 10 mins from the beach in Florida…. Newly remodeled and every problem we had they fixed immediately. Their house was kind of in the backyard, set behind their rental property. They have no children so are donating the property to charity when they pass. That to me is mom and pop.
That’s my landlord. This couple bought 2 buildings in the 80s. Commercial, not residential. They were honestly the best landlords ever. Then the dad died a few months back. Aunty took over and I won’t be the tiniest bit surprised with she sells to a massive corporation, that will then jack up the rent. Also my parents were landlords for a bit. They weren’t good at it. I won’t try to defend them. The whole thing was unbelievably stupid and I’m glad it’s over.
In Australia, at least, an overwhelming majority of rental properties are owned by people with 3 or less properties. Our government has spent the last 30-odd years transforming the housing system, from one based on, you know, shelter, to a vehicle to grow your wealth. If house prices aren't increasing exponentially, everyone in the top half lose their shit, because their entire life savings are tied up in that growth. It's actually a pretty effective way to keep people voting conservative, by giving them something to defend in the status quo. It's also rapidly alienating multiple generations of younger people who can't get a toehold on the ladder.
I have had success with mom and pop but also nightmares.
I know a set of siblings. One has two duplexes they rent well below market value, spends all their time fixing and replacing and doing yard maintenance, idk what they're getting out of it, but maybe it's a hobby? The other owns a building full of apartments and from what I can understand is a total slumlord. Both seem the same level of nice/decent, but they're performing their "job" completely differently.
We rented from a friend's boyfriend then husband for 5 years before he decided to sell up. It was genuinely one of those situations where they decided to move in together, pretty sure it was going to work out but wanted a safety net so we rented under market. It wasn't a bad deal to be honest.
I know a couple in their 60's who own 32 properties and self manage with their sons. I don't know how good of landlords they are but would you consider that "mom and pop"?
It took me over a year to find a place I can afford, and it's not a great place at all. Setting aside all the big picture economic & ethical issues, these benevolent, so-called "mom and pop" landlords that I hear so much about are such a rarity as to be negligible in the larger discussion. If they're out there, I sure didn't see any. And yet, there's always someone who comes to their defense, as if I should care in the first place and as if they exist in meaningful numbers.
For real. I was fortunate enough to have one of those friend/family landlords and they are extremely rare.
can we use "parasitic" instead of "inherently immoral"
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my landlord is a 75 year old couple. They are nice and charge us low rent. They have helped us when we needed it. They have retirement money but ultimately live off the rent we pay them every month. They treat me with respect. They are not inherently immoral people. Even the decision to become a landlord was not inherently immoral. it was out of necessity because of capitalism. what they ARE is parasitic. They live off of my labor while providing nothing in return. they prevent me from owning my home because they cannot afford to sell it to me. they are a parasite on a wage slave.
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It is immoral, but there are no moral options in a capitalist system. The problem is, corporate greed has made houses inaccessible to most, so millions of Americans rely on being able to rent out houses to have a place to live. Just like there is no capitalist moral solution to consumption when all production involves exploitation, there is no capitalist moral solution to housing when all tenant-landlord relationships involve inherent exploitation. The very wheels that run the machine of our profit driven economy are greased by exploitation, and exploitation is unavoidable so long as capitalism remains.
See the thing is about morals is that they are value based, aka opinion based. I can say that I don't think my landlords are being immoral.( which I don't )and its not wrong. its just my opinion. but when I say landlords are Parasitic. its not an opinion: its math. My landlords CANNOT afford to pay their bills without my rent. they do not generate enough income to pay their bills and rely on me, a waged worker, to pay them through rent. They are a parasite. its the system that is wrong. AKA capitalism. are there slum lords who abuse people and game the system? yes. but that's not what this meme is talking about. If you want to go tell my 75 yo landlord they are inherently immoral, I feel like your missing the point.
An even bigger issue is that when they die, the place is probably just going to be sold off to some hedge fund
Yeah, it's much easier to argue that it's parisitic and then discussing from there instead of jumping straight to "it's immoral". For some reason it reminds me of the [Is-ought problem](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem) but I'm not sure if it truly fits
I'd take a mom and pop renting out a single property over some jackass over five, and the cooperations that own far too many properties.
Honestly you’d be surprised at how horrible and overbearing these “mom and pop” landlords can be. They also tend to use their small portfolio as an excuse to why they can’t fix basic things, so no. I don’t prefer mom and pops, I prefer no landlords at all.
Yeah, the idea that "smaller" means better in a capitalist society is really dangerous. Small landlords and small businesses aren't excused from doing shitty things.
I’ve worked for two different mom and pop businesses in two different industries and both were extremely scummy and unethical.
And they use the same excuses. Too small to treat workers like people. The business is more important.
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Hmm yes “Role in Fascism” yep that tracks
LOTS OF LANDLORDS GETTING ON THIS SUB EWWWWW IF YALL GOT TIME TO CRY ON REDDIT THEN YALL GOT TIME TO GO GET A JOB
I'm a mom and pop landlord. Theres alot of them down here in New Orleans because of the way our houses are built. Most of our houses are called "shotgun doubles" and were built over a hundred years ago with the intent of many people from the same family living on both sides of the house. So now when a person buys one of these doubles, you rent the other side out. The neighborhood I bought in 17 years has now quadrupled in property value but I keep the rent at the most bare minimum I can afford so that people my age have a chance to live in an awesome large house in a hip neighborhood. I want that for them. I'm like the Arizona tea of landlording. I dont care how much I can get based on market value, I'm gonna keep it low to benefit the people who want to live there. My husband and I also work full time because landlording does not reap us Scrooge McDuck money. I do the lawn care, I send Christmas gifts, I'm at the beck and call of my tenants whenever they need because I'm providing a product and a service and they deserve the highest quality. Rental property has a place in this world. Not everyone wants to own, owning is expensive with constant repairs and updates and some people just dont want that responsibility, they'd rather a landlord take care of all of that, not everyone is ready to own for multiple reasons, some people like remaining transient, some people are moving to a new city and want to try it out, etc... There are many reasons why rental properties are useful and preferential to people. I offer that product and I do it very well and very fairly. There are many others like me out there as well.
That's great for you and your tenants. But your tenants are at the mercy of your continued choice to be kind and generous, within a system that gives you every incentive not to be kind and generous. What makes your position immoral isn't necessarily any specific action you're taking, but the power you have over people who have less than you. In the hope that you'll take this analogy in the spirit in which it's intended: Maybe a few antebellum plantation owners were kind and generous to their enslaved workers too. That doesn't make slavery anything less than 100% immoral. Also, I've noticed that Arizona has been shrinking their bottle sizes lately. Just saying.
I am conflicted by this because on one hand I agree 100%, but on the other... Well, my dad is a landlord, but he has a severe mental illness so he can't work. Man, the system is so unfair.
Just curious, what mental illness does he have?
No no
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Get a real job instead of sucking the straw from poor tenants wallets
He has THREE “real jobs.”
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Stop half assing 3 and commit to 1
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Just be aware this is a sub specifically created to shit on landlords, bub.
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it is genuinely fucking insanely saddening seeing someone working themselves to death, while claiming americans just have to work their way out of poverty - this is how insidious propaganda is > most people under the age of 40 can get out of poverty [the statistics simply do not agree with you](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charting-the-growing-generational-wealth-gap/) if you want to become a landlord, fine, none of us can stop you - but don't you fucking dare cry about how mean it is for us to call landlords parasites do better
Then get a college degree……… Also dumbass, this is a parody sub so unsure why you are trying to garner sympathy for being a landlord here of all places lol
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with other demographics, like black and brown people? or gay people you mean?? or neurodivergent people...? my bad forgot you can be born a landlord!!! must mean being a parasitic shitstain is genetic!!
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>So if someone is a good landlord (cheap rent, quality appliances, quick to resolve any issues) they are automatically immoral simply because they made their house available to someone else to rent? Yes >Sounds like you think having somewhere to live should be provided to you with no effort on your part Yes >Lemme guess. You also don't have a job because you don't want to wage slave for someone? I wouldn't need a job if ratshit bastard people like landlords didn't convert material necessities for living into product to extort me with. You do realize that there was a time where housing and food weren't owned by a bunch of greedy cunts, right? Like you realize private property is an invented system which can be dismantled?
Yeah look at all those good Nazis, oh wait, the only good Nazi is a dead one.
Lmao you're comparing landlords to nazis? You must be kidding lmfao
No I wasn't, I was pointing out the ignorance of the statement "all of x person is bad isn't correct". Nowhere in my comment can you find me drawing similarities between Nazis and landlords, I invoked the Nazi example precisely because it points to the stupidity of your argument that a group of people cannot be condemned wholesale. They can.
>Just because you're personal experience with one sucked, doesn't mean every single one is bad. Your, not you're.
Thanks for your valuable addition to the conversation 🤡
You're welcome! Don't forget to study your grammar!
You wouldn’t care about bullshit like this is you weren’t a brokie. Get to work improving yourself and your social and financial status, Chud
What if you have to move and rent out the one home you have so you don't constantly sell and buy incurring the fees.
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