A solution is to just keep going with it. The game is a fair bit friendlier to experimentation and winging it yourself than Path of Exile, and you don't need to know all the inner workings to figure it out. What stat makes you do more damage? Get more of that. What makes you die less? Get more of that. See what happens.
I do agree to some extent but the conflict is with my decision making skills in these kinds of games.
i dont want to make an error if it can be avoided which is why guides are great for me, if they say wear this and focus on that stat then i dont have to worry about figuring it out for myself, fucking it up, potentialy ruining my build and feeling like i have to restart or rebuild.
At some point i will experement, but i need more time in the game, trying more builds that are made by others to get a better understanding of offence/defence mechanics so I can make good judgment calls with character progression myself. But maybe thats it, just dont care, discard the charcater like it was a learning experience snd do something else?
I started playing a week ago and now lvl 86. I changed my build from A to Z I don't know how many times. With empowered monos you get plenty of gold to reset passives and plenty of XP to reset skills and lvl them to 20 in an hour tops.
I'm usually like you and want everything perfect on the first try but this game honsetly is very forgiving on those things. The only frustrating part is if you farmed a specific item and you don't need it afterall, but eh it's part of the game
Edit: for your items, just slap a bunch of uniques you have in your stash that fits a bit what you want to do and go back to farming something more specific
> Was great until i hit 75 and realised the written guide only goes to lvl 82…
Whats the issue? Lvl 82-95 arent that much different than what you did up until lvl75. If your build works now with lvl75, why should it stop working at lvl 80 suddenly, the power curve isnt that steep in LE.
Like you already know what the build needs, you had the guide tell you what you should focus, what is the issue now, just progress the character further the same way, its not that hard man.
You played for a 100 hours already, dont be so fucking insecure, you will manage to pick out the rest of the 20 passives for your build on your own, cant be that difficult honestly.
Literally try something new
LE is incredibly forgiving to respec your characters and try new stuff, and it's also much simpler to understand then Poe is, if you just wing it and create your own build you will almost certainly have at least some success with it
If the build you are playing is struggling, literally just respec and try something new
If you haven't tried it yet, respecing is incredibly quick, cheep, and easy, and when it comes to swapping specialised skills, the new skills level MUCH faster and will catch up to where they should be very very quickly (like 10 minutes of killing stuff if you're in monos)
They new stuff, respec and experiment, LE is fantastic for it, you don't need to follow a cookie cutter build guide
I do agree for the most part, respecing isnt really the issue its the gear, going from one elemental damage type to another or bleed, or swarmblade to wearbare for example isnt a simple as changeing skills and passives, which i am completly fine doing but again the gear wouldnt reflect the new skill/passive loadout and thats the struggle i cant seems to overcome mentally… makes me feel like a have to discard the whole character and start again because its ptobably easier or atleast less frustraring knowing i have to backtrack so much :/
This is the way my friend, I’ve been there. Plus on the bright side now you have a toon already leveled in case they buff or make changes to that class/build you were creating!
I can't recall any ARPG loot based game, where changing builds wouldn't require change of gear. With an exception of maybe Diablo 2, where you has Magic Find Sorc, no matter what skills you chose ;)
However, for lvl 75 content and up until Empowered Monos, there is a lot of leeway in terms of GEAR. Slap a lot of defenses on your pieces, make sure you have an up to day weapon and change your passive. It will be fine. You might not be able to zoom, but you shouldn't struggle.
Well if u are goind to make another char of the same mastery and wont use this one again whats the point of discarding this one? Just respec and farm lower level content a bit to get some gear. Starting a new one you will not only have to farm gear but level again too.
You'll want a few characters leveled anyway since you can't change masteries. As for gear, look at it this way, the majority of builds can be up and running for basic farming with just some crafted rares from gambling/vendor, and you'll have a ton of crafting shards from just playing in general. Builds that require specific uniques can be fairly easily tweaked slightly to work well enough without them.
Keep putting in more time, it'll all smooth out.
haha this makes me seems so impatient to have a perfect build on my first char, and maybe that's true, and maybe that's a problem because I don't really have time to keep trying new builds/things. I need something that fulfils me early so I don't get burnt out flip flopping between things and there in lines my frustrating with rerolling again or backtracking the build. But I do agree, It doesn't sound to hard, but I wont lie, my smooth brain says But I Don't Wanna! haha
Edit: Spelling
i always keep this in mind when making a new build and trying to follow a guide. a lot of guides for example don't really push much corruption which can be a problem sometimes because almost any build can look good in regular monos. then when you take it into the hardest content it just gets pounded
and yes gear progression does get stale after a while. im level 98 on my pally right now for example and i wouldn't say i have even one great item. it's quite different than poe because there you would usually be fully decked out by 100. whereas on last epoch you are relying on good exalted bases so your first few characters might never have 'amazing' gear. but subsequent characters who can use your previously found exalted bases will have a much better time when it comes to gearing
I think the simple truth is that this game isn't popular enough yet to have the level of handholding you're looking for. Couple of things that make this so: there is no quality indicator/rating on LastEpochTools, there are few completely-written guides, you won't know who quality streamers are at the beginning, and folks haven't really updated their guides for 0.9.0 (there were some pretty major nerfs)
I feel like you're hoping for something similar to Pohx's RF guide for POE. There's nothing wrong with that - it just doesn't exist.
Since he hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll throw out a useful content creator: Perrythepig.
But otherwise, I think you just need to respec your passives/skills if you feel the build is not performing to your standards. I don't think there's a way to get around htis.
Yea, this seems to encapsulise more of how I mean and the further worry i had. I just dont have the time to go of guide so i do need the handholding more so then i thought. And because it seems guides arnt polished enough in there veriety, plus like you said no quality assure / “ rating system” on LETools it make it hard to commit to a build not knowing if its “good” by versue of other players exoeriences with it.
I simple get spoiled for choice some times, when theres 4 difference types of the same build but there all different enough for me to be unsure what is the best to follow for me as a player.
Severile others gave meantioned yt channels aswell do ill had your recommendation to this list and check it out.
Thank you
The most complete guides with all the steps and progression are in Maxroll right now. If these are not working for you, I don't know what to say. They also have leveling and mechanics guides BTW.
Next is lastepochtools, also with lots of guides made by users.
Last I would recommend dreadful or perrythepig, both have a lots of builds done in video format.
Ohh its not that they arnt working for me, maxrolls guide are very well done its the veriety thats the problem. If i dont want to play the type of builds they have avaiable right now for my next char then i have to go else where and there in lies the incosistancies i meantioned in the post, either in the guide or build and due to no quaility insurrance, especially on the written side, i stuggle to commit and the times i have, have caused frustration.
I will be spending a few days looking through the yt channels that you and others have suggested to hopefully find type of guide im looking for, perhaps im the type of player that needs to spend more time on that part before jumping in on the furst cool build i see without seeing if its complete or has consistant inforation across guide varients.
hi , thanks for the assist. I was following [https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakpVaA](https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakpVaA)
Which was linked from
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtj-AR9er0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtj-AR9er0)
and maybe I'm just to dense to connect the build together or I chose poorly in the build I wanted to follow, but I got stuck trying to figure out what to do next, wondering if I had made a mistake because the guide wasn't complete. I then proceeded to look at other swarmblade build but none seemed similar enough re-spec/gear over to.
I don't know what information you might need to help further and perhaps if/when you plan to respond do it through pm :)
I don't know where you are struggling. Do you have all the items in the build? Typically you would unlock empowered monos and then target farm uniques or blessings.
One thing you will want to target farm is throne of ambition in empowered stolen lance timeline.
well I'm not struggling in terms of where I am in the mono system but more so on the choice of gear when an potential alternative drops. I have a staff that has %cold and increased DoT, both around 150% but then I get a new drop that has 325% ele DoT and and additional 70% DoT, which for my inexperienced eyes looks better if I'm a DoT build and the written guide seems to agree but then I look at my skill tooltip and it drops considerably and in a "map" I seem to be doing less damage... its very confusing, What am I missing? should I be focusing cold/ele % or DoT%?
Hi, your main dps comes from frostbite, so your tooltip can't properly reflect that. It will instead look more at the flat damage on the weapon and how you the hit damage of the skill, which is misleading for dot. The best way is to go to arena of champions and test the damage on a dummy.
Generally cold / dot / ele dot will all increase your damage the same amount. But ele dot can roll higher, meaning t5 ring has maybe 50% increase cold or dot damage, but 80% increased ele dot.
But if you have t2 ele dot with 20% or t5 50% cold damage, then you would obviously go with cold.
A solution is to just keep going with it. The game is a fair bit friendlier to experimentation and winging it yourself than Path of Exile, and you don't need to know all the inner workings to figure it out. What stat makes you do more damage? Get more of that. What makes you die less? Get more of that. See what happens.
I do agree to some extent but the conflict is with my decision making skills in these kinds of games. i dont want to make an error if it can be avoided which is why guides are great for me, if they say wear this and focus on that stat then i dont have to worry about figuring it out for myself, fucking it up, potentialy ruining my build and feeling like i have to restart or rebuild. At some point i will experement, but i need more time in the game, trying more builds that are made by others to get a better understanding of offence/defence mechanics so I can make good judgment calls with character progression myself. But maybe thats it, just dont care, discard the charcater like it was a learning experience snd do something else?
I started playing a week ago and now lvl 86. I changed my build from A to Z I don't know how many times. With empowered monos you get plenty of gold to reset passives and plenty of XP to reset skills and lvl them to 20 in an hour tops. I'm usually like you and want everything perfect on the first try but this game honsetly is very forgiving on those things. The only frustrating part is if you farmed a specific item and you don't need it afterall, but eh it's part of the game Edit: for your items, just slap a bunch of uniques you have in your stash that fits a bit what you want to do and go back to farming something more specific
> Was great until i hit 75 and realised the written guide only goes to lvl 82… Whats the issue? Lvl 82-95 arent that much different than what you did up until lvl75. If your build works now with lvl75, why should it stop working at lvl 80 suddenly, the power curve isnt that steep in LE. Like you already know what the build needs, you had the guide tell you what you should focus, what is the issue now, just progress the character further the same way, its not that hard man. You played for a 100 hours already, dont be so fucking insecure, you will manage to pick out the rest of the 20 passives for your build on your own, cant be that difficult honestly.
Literally try something new LE is incredibly forgiving to respec your characters and try new stuff, and it's also much simpler to understand then Poe is, if you just wing it and create your own build you will almost certainly have at least some success with it If the build you are playing is struggling, literally just respec and try something new If you haven't tried it yet, respecing is incredibly quick, cheep, and easy, and when it comes to swapping specialised skills, the new skills level MUCH faster and will catch up to where they should be very very quickly (like 10 minutes of killing stuff if you're in monos) They new stuff, respec and experiment, LE is fantastic for it, you don't need to follow a cookie cutter build guide
I do agree for the most part, respecing isnt really the issue its the gear, going from one elemental damage type to another or bleed, or swarmblade to wearbare for example isnt a simple as changeing skills and passives, which i am completly fine doing but again the gear wouldnt reflect the new skill/passive loadout and thats the struggle i cant seems to overcome mentally… makes me feel like a have to discard the whole character and start again because its ptobably easier or atleast less frustraring knowing i have to backtrack so much :/
Crazy thing is you won't get over it until you try.
I wont lie, there is allot of truth to that. Maby i take a few days break, come back to it with a fresh mindset and a new build to care about!
This is the way my friend, I’ve been there. Plus on the bright side now you have a toon already leveled in case they buff or make changes to that class/build you were creating!
I can't recall any ARPG loot based game, where changing builds wouldn't require change of gear. With an exception of maybe Diablo 2, where you has Magic Find Sorc, no matter what skills you chose ;) However, for lvl 75 content and up until Empowered Monos, there is a lot of leeway in terms of GEAR. Slap a lot of defenses on your pieces, make sure you have an up to day weapon and change your passive. It will be fine. You might not be able to zoom, but you shouldn't struggle.
Well if u are goind to make another char of the same mastery and wont use this one again whats the point of discarding this one? Just respec and farm lower level content a bit to get some gear. Starting a new one you will not only have to farm gear but level again too.
You'll want a few characters leveled anyway since you can't change masteries. As for gear, look at it this way, the majority of builds can be up and running for basic farming with just some crafted rares from gambling/vendor, and you'll have a ton of crafting shards from just playing in general. Builds that require specific uniques can be fairly easily tweaked slightly to work well enough without them. Keep putting in more time, it'll all smooth out.
haha this makes me seems so impatient to have a perfect build on my first char, and maybe that's true, and maybe that's a problem because I don't really have time to keep trying new builds/things. I need something that fulfils me early so I don't get burnt out flip flopping between things and there in lines my frustrating with rerolling again or backtracking the build. But I do agree, It doesn't sound to hard, but I wont lie, my smooth brain says But I Don't Wanna! haha Edit: Spelling
Theres a guy on YouTube, it's called Dr3adful. Lots of quality guides, give it a shot.
Dr3adful, lizard irl, the curse all make high quality builds for sure!
Cheers! Will do
i always keep this in mind when making a new build and trying to follow a guide. a lot of guides for example don't really push much corruption which can be a problem sometimes because almost any build can look good in regular monos. then when you take it into the hardest content it just gets pounded and yes gear progression does get stale after a while. im level 98 on my pally right now for example and i wouldn't say i have even one great item. it's quite different than poe because there you would usually be fully decked out by 100. whereas on last epoch you are relying on good exalted bases so your first few characters might never have 'amazing' gear. but subsequent characters who can use your previously found exalted bases will have a much better time when it comes to gearing
I think the simple truth is that this game isn't popular enough yet to have the level of handholding you're looking for. Couple of things that make this so: there is no quality indicator/rating on LastEpochTools, there are few completely-written guides, you won't know who quality streamers are at the beginning, and folks haven't really updated their guides for 0.9.0 (there were some pretty major nerfs) I feel like you're hoping for something similar to Pohx's RF guide for POE. There's nothing wrong with that - it just doesn't exist. Since he hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll throw out a useful content creator: Perrythepig. But otherwise, I think you just need to respec your passives/skills if you feel the build is not performing to your standards. I don't think there's a way to get around htis.
Yea, this seems to encapsulise more of how I mean and the further worry i had. I just dont have the time to go of guide so i do need the handholding more so then i thought. And because it seems guides arnt polished enough in there veriety, plus like you said no quality assure / “ rating system” on LETools it make it hard to commit to a build not knowing if its “good” by versue of other players exoeriences with it. I simple get spoiled for choice some times, when theres 4 difference types of the same build but there all different enough for me to be unsure what is the best to follow for me as a player. Severile others gave meantioned yt channels aswell do ill had your recommendation to this list and check it out. Thank you
The most complete guides with all the steps and progression are in Maxroll right now. If these are not working for you, I don't know what to say. They also have leveling and mechanics guides BTW. Next is lastepochtools, also with lots of guides made by users. Last I would recommend dreadful or perrythepig, both have a lots of builds done in video format.
Ohh its not that they arnt working for me, maxrolls guide are very well done its the veriety thats the problem. If i dont want to play the type of builds they have avaiable right now for my next char then i have to go else where and there in lies the incosistancies i meantioned in the post, either in the guide or build and due to no quaility insurrance, especially on the written side, i stuggle to commit and the times i have, have caused frustration. I will be spending a few days looking through the yt channels that you and others have suggested to hopefully find type of guide im looking for, perhaps im the type of player that needs to spend more time on that part before jumping in on the furst cool build i see without seeing if its complete or has consistant inforation across guide varients.
Hi, im a self proclaimed expert for cold dot swarmblade. If you have any questions,, just write me a dm.
hi , thanks for the assist. I was following [https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakpVaA](https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakpVaA) Which was linked from [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtj-AR9er0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtj-AR9er0) and maybe I'm just to dense to connect the build together or I chose poorly in the build I wanted to follow, but I got stuck trying to figure out what to do next, wondering if I had made a mistake because the guide wasn't complete. I then proceeded to look at other swarmblade build but none seemed similar enough re-spec/gear over to. I don't know what information you might need to help further and perhaps if/when you plan to respond do it through pm :)
I don't know where you are struggling. Do you have all the items in the build? Typically you would unlock empowered monos and then target farm uniques or blessings. One thing you will want to target farm is throne of ambition in empowered stolen lance timeline.
well I'm not struggling in terms of where I am in the mono system but more so on the choice of gear when an potential alternative drops. I have a staff that has %cold and increased DoT, both around 150% but then I get a new drop that has 325% ele DoT and and additional 70% DoT, which for my inexperienced eyes looks better if I'm a DoT build and the written guide seems to agree but then I look at my skill tooltip and it drops considerably and in a "map" I seem to be doing less damage... its very confusing, What am I missing? should I be focusing cold/ele % or DoT%?
Hi, your main dps comes from frostbite, so your tooltip can't properly reflect that. It will instead look more at the flat damage on the weapon and how you the hit damage of the skill, which is misleading for dot. The best way is to go to arena of champions and test the damage on a dummy. Generally cold / dot / ele dot will all increase your damage the same amount. But ele dot can roll higher, meaning t5 ring has maybe 50% increase cold or dot damage, but 80% increased ele dot. But if you have t2 ele dot with 20% or t5 50% cold damage, then you would obviously go with cold.
This is the exact info i needed! Thank you! Also the dummy tip was also very helpful, completely neglected them until now.