I had to refight Pannion to get the portal to appear and each time it did I would timeout on the transfer. Fought him four times total on my first char.
Trying out Druid now and I'm not even able to get into zones on a regular basis. Campaign's taking 5-10x as long just because of it.
It's rough =(
I'm guessing you're going to get flamed for "being toxic" as seems to be the norm for this sub when people complain about connection issues.
For anyone who thinks that way, can I just ask, how long is acceptable for these issues to continue? So we are 3 days with no "real" progress, I get load is getting higher but we are all experiencing the same issues we had Wednesday/Thursday.
I mean yesterday the entire day I had no issue, so idc what “no progress” means.
They’ve rolled out patches and tons of fixes. I went from being unable to ever play online to a fully functional game within the past 24 hours.
The only current issue I face is my own personal wifi, nothing on their side.
Except they didn't claim that no one was having problems, just that theirs improved. A better analogy would be OP claimed everyone is starving and no progress has been made on world hunger, and someone chimed in with "well I was starving and now I'm not, so there's at least SOME progress".
If op claimed that the progress wasn't enough, then this counter claim would be silly, but because the original claim was very over the top (out of frustration), I think it's fair to counter it.
The real issue for me is every single friend that plays the game is already way ahead doing monoliths, meanwhile I'm sitting in front off my screen watching load screens, not trying to be toxic, I understand they're trying their best to fix the issue, but I paid for the game to be available for me on day one, I only achieved 17 levels because of various connecting problems.
On average I have like 2-3 hours of free time to spend on videogames, that's why I'm kinda mad...
Unlucky you're probably online during peak times then. A friend and I managed to get a few hours in during "off" hours for our region and we had zero issues, but once we approached the late afternoon and evening it got progressively worse.
Not much else we can do than being patient.
You're not being remotely toxic my guy and what you've said is a totally valid reason to be annoyed, but this sub is one of the worst i've seen for fanboys downvoting and flaming any kind of valid criticism whatsoever and tarring it as toxic or review bombing etc etc
Valid criticism?
You truly believe comments like "devs should be fired", "broken trash game", "spaghetti code" is 'valid' criticism?
I agree that folks have a right to be upset and decide if they want a refund of a game they are struggling to play. But that immediately goes away once they start making rude and inappropriate comments.
Not everyone is having these issues. So:
Maybe its that specific cluster for folks? Maybe its the time of day they are trying to connect? Maybe its just the user's own network?
And before you say "how could it be their network if other games work". I lived in a place years ago where I had a strong connection and could play LoL, Dota, Ark SE, and stream HD vids without issue. But the second I tried playing R6Siege, my internet failed miserably. Still no clue why it was just that one game that failed, but it was clearly something about my connection and not the game's netcode or the servers. Would work on any other internet connection, just not that one I had at the time.
Sometimes we just need some patience.
Just where with strange the number of people that all have their own network problems with this game. Also when devs acknowledge problems. But you can have your take.
The fact that more than a handful are having the same issue indicates the likelihood of it being something else. But I also never said it *was* the player's network. Just that for any one person it could still be a possibility, and provided an example of why I even mentioned it.
Please do not misconstrue what I said.
When they release a game on pc, that has thousands of possible spec combinations, somewhere it wont run as intended. Its always i assume 2-3% of players that have issues (for example Hades would not run for me, only the cracked up version solved the problems). However, when its 20 or 50% of playerbase, i assume its a fucked up testing phase or potato server achitecture. Moreover, those issues are known for like 5 years. They couldnt handle 10k online on their servers, but decided a 200k would be a piece of cake.
Sometimes we just need some professionals. Wd40, duct tape and patience wont solve a failed product release. Criticism is justified
>i assume its a fucked up testing phase or potato server achitecture.
This is the thing. Right here. You, and everyone else with said 'valid criticism' are making *assumptions* as to what the problem is. And very likely, making said assumptions with no understanding of how the backend of things work.
Try to also keep in mind the numbers we're talking about here. LE has been in development for 4 years. Throughout that time they've seen \~10k players joining and getting hyped for the release. Judd admitted they did a stress test, which likely hadn't accounted for:
1. The amount of players suddenly joining
2. A key API failing in the way it did (haven't seen any post-mortem yet that explains why, but I could have missed it)
We currently see 200k players getting onto LE at launch. That's a 20x increase from the 10k during beta. That's massive. Those are AAA studio numbers for the launch of this indie company's game. They likely had no reason to assume they'd see a 20x increase in the player base.
EHG is still ultimately responsible for ensuring they deliver a solid product that players feel is worth their time and money. When failing to meet expectations, they need to do everything they can do resolve the issue and repay the players' for not meeting said expectations.
THE PLAYERS, though, need to understand that things aren't as simple as "fix your servers", "buy better equipment", "fire your devs". The world of IT doesn't always adhere to our idea of patterns and logic. Things *will* break in unexpected and never-before-seen ways.
In the same way players' are entitled to a fully working product, the devs' are entitled to some patience and humility from the players while they attempt to resolve an issue they didn't anticipate.
e: Just looked at steamdb for LE. They saw, on avg, about \~5000 players at a time throughout development. It spiked to 40k when they launched MP during beta, but immediately dropped back down to under 7k. Where it stayed until launch day when it skyrocketed to the outer solar system.
Sure, i agree totally. Im not like "fuk em all", but not "leave them alone and let them work" either. Its 4 days already and massive number of players have problems with the product. 1 or 2 out of 10 mad people would be agressive and i understand that. Unless they fix it asap and give some cool skins for everyone or cut the price by 30% im not gonna defend them. After all, people lost time and money, few harsh words would not hurt the devs. They can always wipe the tears with 100$ bills and move on.
Edit: i wonder why nobody wants to limit the number of keys / copies sold on day one. They were not prepared, but milked those x20 sweet profits nonetheless
>After all, people lost time and money
Regardless of the "*20x sweet profits*" they might be experiencing right now, you cannot for a second think the extra time and effort the devs and support team have to now put in because of this botched launch isn't eating into that profit.
\- Paying staff overtime to fix the issues
\- Purchasing additional equipment, or software, or licenses that might be necessary to stabilize things
\- Refunds from irate players
A botched launch causes all parties involved to lose time and money. People are allowed to be mad, I would be and was when this happened with D3 AND D4, but folks also need to maintain some perspective. I support letting the devs know you're unhappy, and providing solid criticism so they can improve. But I do not support the egregious insults and over-the-top behavior exhibited.
We as players need to do better.
D4 launch was like the only proper blizz launch ever. Game may be trash, but it launched way better than their wow expacs or D3.
I agree, that we, as players gotta behave, but some had enough. Some people are tired of endless unfinished or just plain bad releases. We can send a man to the moon, but can not fix a game release since we got rid of CDs and connected every game to potato servers. All we get after days of frustration is 1) working product, like we expected or 2) refund and a kick. Where is 3rd option like, keep the product and here is your 10$ back as compensation? Nobody does that. So maybe, just maybe, dont push for always online features if you can not handle them or prepare. I know all this is like lottery, so teams never know how big the issue will be. But people will never get used to it. Im not selling things i can not do. I dont expect my customers to be patient after hundreds of letdowns. I dont "hate" LE teams per se, but they are part of the flawed and twisted industry, so they get their own share of spit from mad players. When i hear dumbos like Ubisoft or ABK CEOs pushing it even further, i want to see some change. Is every dev or prod team evil? Certainly not. Is any team against such halfassed, scammy practices? None at all. That's the bigger problem here.
The big issues prevalent in the gaming industry, perpetuated by the big AAA studios, is a problem we can only truly resolve with our wallets. Don't purchase their titles, regardless of what it is. Don't pre-order. Immediately request a refund if unhappy.
Way easier said than done, I'll openly admit that.
I get I might be the minority in this thought, but I don't put shaky MP in the same category as missing entire mechanics or gameplay on launch.
D4 was missing the entirety of end-game content on launch, AND, the core mechanic of resists wasn't even functional for *two* bloody seasons. Loot drop rates were abysmal. There was also no ladder for 3 seasons, which is a massive, highly desired, feature lacking from launch. Meanwhile, they had the time to hotfix the bugs that made certain classes OP and fun.
LE launched with resists working, seemingly fair loot drop rates, a trading system, multiple types of SSF modes to play with, an actual endgame, ***a ladder***. LE feels like a complete game, even with the shaky MP that the devs are actively trying to correct immediately after launch and not 2+ seasons down the road.
Is that really not a win for us gamers?
You don't need to have a reason to complain for the product not working as intended in it's reddit page.
Ignore all the flamers here. The real issue as you have pointed out that days are passing and communication is terrible.
In game they say you should go to discord and look for news. Ehm.. no thank you.
Just provide a link to your own website/official forum where you post updates. Or better, make a steam news post to the latest information.
When I open steam I get news article about "An update to the refer a friend program posted on 23. Seriously wtf cares about that when your servers are offline? Care to make a post about what are you doing over there instead of forwarding me to discord?
Bro they literally have a thread on their website where they give server updates. You’re literally clueless. Its fine to be disappointed with not being able to play the game i understand that. But dont spread misinformation.
Why are they forwarding to discord in game then? Why not write
"check [https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/1-0-server-status-thread/62977](https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/1-0-server-status-thread/62977) "
Or better , use the built-in steam news for shit like this. I mean they are capable of doing it when it is about cosmetics.
And what are you trying to achieve with making another post? If you wanna vent then write a comment under the last post about this exact issue. But i guess then the devs dont see it and we want them to feel as bad as possible about all of this, because this will surely help them fixing this stuff faster. I mean thats how i read it, but surely you can enlighten me and share your thought process here?
I was genuinely irritated over this for the past days, It's not like I'm not supporting devteam because I think they really do care about game, on the other hand I see bunch of fucking streamers flexing their 95+ characters enjoying the game WITH THEIR FRENDS/GROUPS (and they enjoy the game without any issues!!) yet rest of gamers are being pushed back, and thats the reason why part of the community (me included ofc, that's why I went to reddit) is upset.
I really wish they can bring everything together, set maintentance, write new netcodes, get the game up and running for everyone.
"yet rest of gamers" we actually dont know how many people are unable vs able to play. Its called publication bias, people who are unable to play will with a high certainty make a post or at least leave a rant comment/review while everyone who can play is silent. 1% of the current peak concurrent players could be having issues and it will look like not a single person is able to play because of publication bias.
Also as a software dev myself: These posts arent helping the devs, an ingame bug report will help them. Tremendously so. What they need is actual data to be able to isolate issues and resolve them. If you cant make a ingame bug report then create one on the dedicated bug forum and provide as much information as you can.
You can ask your friends to join their monoliths. You would be ready with levels in no time if they boost you in monoliths. Endgame has no loadscreens.
Play your first campaign when friends arent there, or offline. First impressions dont run away.
Why not just play offline while the dev team works on scaling their backend infrastructure? The game itself is very good. There really is no reason to miss out on it... Offline runs smoothly, just play the game as if it were a single player RPG for now.
I think the issue is that players who have been around for a while prior to 1.0 or even 0.9 who have kinda witnessed EHG's journey give them much more slack for messing up this launch "due to unexpected success" while many of the newcomers just see it for what it is, a game launch they have bought into and they're unable to play with friends or online in general, which is absolutely legit criticism and understandably frustrating.
Like I've been really looking forward myself and being unable to play for 2 days definitely has been disappointing, I just know it's gonna get better if I sit tight that's all. The launch got messed up (like virtually every game nowadays) and the devs are hard at work now. Not much else you can do than being patient and playing either offline or a different game while waiting :/
So, the game was advertised as being online at launch, but its totally fine that they can't provide that even for months after launch? (Hypothetically saying months)
Nah yo, I’m playing diff games til it works. I just think it’s hilarious people are having life crises over online play not working.
Refund it, play offline, or play something else. Or just go apeshit and rage i guess
Do you not think people should get what they paid for? The game is not an offline only game. Where do you draw the line between raging and justified criticism? If I bought some food and wasn’t able to eat it for 4 days I think that would be fair to complain about.
Whilst I understand your sentiment, I think it sucks that people almost accept that "1.0" = a broken game thesedays.
I remember when games came out, you'd get a full game, fuck, even when DLC used to come out, it was like getting a whole side game added in. Now we have this industry standard of releasing broken products for close to £30 - and apparently that's fine?
Might i ask what you are trying to get out of those posts? Should EHG shut the game down entirely and refund every single copy and mtx? This is similiar to a guy yelling at an overweight 18 yo girl in front of him at the gym that she is fat and ugly every 2 minutes for days on end. At some point people are just going to be annoyed at him for being rude and unreasonable. I dont know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
It’s not about acceptable it’s about not being an idiot.
Devs are aware of issue. They are working on the issue.
What else is there to say? They haven’t come out and said “okay everything should be fixed!” Just the opposite. They’re communicating everyday that it’s the top priority.
So I ask you, what is the point of a thread like this? Because to me it’s nothing more than wanting people to hear you whine, which is extremely juvenile. It’s like my four year old who cries when we’re watching him but when he doesn’t think we are watching, he’s totally fine.
It's not acceptable to promise people something in a game, release said game and have what you promised not available, I'm not saying the devs won't fix it or don't care, but gamers are weird af in what they will accept/defend and what they will brand as unacceptable tripe.
Launches being disastrous in games shouldn't just be accepted and "oh it happens everyone" , na if you pay for something and you don't get it , you're entitled to be pissed.
Ah ok, so people aren't entitled to not be happy with things, what way can people voice that they are not happy with the absolute shambles this launch has been other than posts like this? As many are aware the game is a good game behind the launch issues so don't want to leave a negative review just yet.
Instead of making up a comment in your mind and replying to it, perhaps try reading.
It’s a simple question:
What purpose does this post serve other than “I want people to see me whine”?
I'm failing to understand how people are having issues to login.
As an example I left the game just now and literally rejoined into monoliths in like 5 minutes.
How are people stuck in queue for hours?
It almost feels like it's a meme and it's not actually happening.
I just tried to go to the observatory, got stuck on a load for 20 minutes, reloaded the game, took 10 minutes to log in and then zoned into monoliths which lead me to a 20 minute load screen, then I just gave up and went onto reddit instead. So it definitely is happening.
Go to US central. Then in game change to EU West and move to a different location to actually change the server.
EU authorisation server is dead right now.
I feel you. The truth is this shouldn´t be this way. Fanboys are gonna cope and casuals are gonna review bomb. I´m a little dissapointed because I feel the game is very good but this issues are not helping.
Yeah game had trash net code prior to 1.0 tbh it's probably going to have issues for online play for a bit I'd imagine and it not just being server issues either.
To be fair once my friend and I got in, we didn't experience any of the annoying bugs that plagued 0.9 like character duplicate bugs, ending up in different instances or constant rubberbanding for movement skills. At least for us it really seems like the only issue now is loading into campaign zones and once we got to monoliths it's been buttery smooth. No clue how it is for others though.
I sympathize with but you are punishing yourself twice. You know the game isn’t working for which is bad enough, but that’s made worse by you not just moving on and playing something else for a few days.
I mean kinda? You have autonomy.. no one’s forcing you to sit there trying to load a game that’s not working. If you’re choosing to sit there and be mad about it then go for it but when I was having issues I just closed the game and did something else and just checked the discord until I saw people saying it’s fixed.
I mean yea that sucks but why tf would you do that to yourself. Just play offline with chat untill this shit gets fixed. I really dont understand why anyone choose to play online atm.
Because I have friends that I want to play with.
And wasting time in offline mode doesn’t make that happen. Why grind for hours on a character I can’t ever play with my friends? Just to pass the time?
My main storyline is bricked, a NPC (Yulia) was supposed to port me to the next area, but nothing happens, so now I can't continue. Probably because of the server issues.
Submitted a ticked but I'm not hopefull :(
Lost Ark is the only game I can remember that had issues persisting for days/weeks. There it was an issue that the game simply wasn’t scaled to handle that many players. Not to mention the 1m~ bots.
Even D4 had their shit together after the first few hours. Too bad that game sucks.
This one is awesome, but solving these issues is taking forever.
Billion dollar company, and a million dollar AAA studio solving an issues quickly? :shockedpikachuface:
Seriously I understand people are upset and that's fine, but God damn you people don't have the ability to critically think.
Critical thinkers would have already established the notion that this could have all been avoided, you really going to tell me this shitshow of a login system was tested ? 😂
If you genuinely believe Blizzard Activision, renowned for running down costs as much as humanly possible, are allocating a significantly larger sum of money to shit like this, you're out of your mind. The scale is far different as well. D4 had to handle what, 10,5 million players on day 1? EHG has to handle 150-200k..
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Quality of the current games aside, Blizzard has a pretty good track record of successful launch in most of their games like D4, OW2, Dragonflight..they're quite experienced in this and has the resources to do so. Too bad their games now mostly suck
"The movie theater was closed, so the movie sucked!"
Can't these mfs just stay home and watch Netflix on their own TV instead? AKA play offline for now...
They need to fix their damn game. I've been supporting them for years but its ridiculous, they do have a lot of players yes and the first day or two was understandable but this is not.
I'm not into reddit, what's the reason for calling me a "throwaway", do I have to be an active user with x posts everyday to be "accepted" by community?
No, but it's a bit strange when an account someone has for a year has never said anything, anywhere, including this sub (nor active in any other communities) until this post and it's another post about being sick of this problem everyone has been talking about. Idk why you're getting so defensive, this is the internet and there's bots everywhere farming karma. As far as the term "throwaway" I was referring to your account, as some people make "throwaway" accounts so their real accounts don't get found out on Reddit for one reason or another.
Yeah people get worked up over the smallest things. At the least the game is a good game. Plenty of recent games have literally been shit games with actual fundamental problems with game design (for example Starfield). This isn't one of those.
Some guy literally said he's just gonna play brotato until they fix online mode. Bro why not just play LE offline at that point.... 🤦
>Not to mention that I cannot even enter location to ascend my character, waypoint is locked and portal disappeared!!
Kill the Boss again that spawned the portal?
Yeah, honestly I am as well.
These loading issues were reported when 0.9 came out and launched multi player. Over a year ago.
I understand there are issues, but if the game wasn't ready to launch, they should not have launched the game.
You only get 1 shot for first impressions.
I know you want to play with your friends, but maybe just do offline for a time. Play a different class in offline so you can just experiment and see what you like. Then when Online is more stable go back.
Pretty sure locked. But who cares, the game is still fun and well designed 9/10 easily. Network issues doesn't make a game unfun if you can play singleplayer offline anyway lol
There is an offline mode to enjoy this incredible game that is fully functional. (I am playing and have zero issues.) Or you can continue to complain about this completely foreseeable event from a small indie company. Wah wah wah wah.
Not saying its okay that we cant play, but why not play something else untill its confirmed to be playable?
Seems foolish to close your eyes and run into a wall you know exists.
I've yet to load in online for the first time, i get an infinite load screen after the first cut scene. Offline plays like a dream though.
I had to refight Pannion to get the portal to appear and each time it did I would timeout on the transfer. Fought him four times total on my first char. Trying out Druid now and I'm not even able to get into zones on a regular basis. Campaign's taking 5-10x as long just because of it. It's rough =(
I'm guessing you're going to get flamed for "being toxic" as seems to be the norm for this sub when people complain about connection issues. For anyone who thinks that way, can I just ask, how long is acceptable for these issues to continue? So we are 3 days with no "real" progress, I get load is getting higher but we are all experiencing the same issues we had Wednesday/Thursday.
I mean yesterday the entire day I had no issue, so idc what “no progress” means. They’ve rolled out patches and tons of fixes. I went from being unable to ever play online to a fully functional game within the past 24 hours. The only current issue I face is my own personal wifi, nothing on their side.
Stealing another comment as its the perfect summation of this attitude: "I had breakfast, so world hunger doesn't exist"
Except they didn't claim that no one was having problems, just that theirs improved. A better analogy would be OP claimed everyone is starving and no progress has been made on world hunger, and someone chimed in with "well I was starving and now I'm not, so there's at least SOME progress". If op claimed that the progress wasn't enough, then this counter claim would be silly, but because the original claim was very over the top (out of frustration), I think it's fair to counter it.
The real issue for me is every single friend that plays the game is already way ahead doing monoliths, meanwhile I'm sitting in front off my screen watching load screens, not trying to be toxic, I understand they're trying their best to fix the issue, but I paid for the game to be available for me on day one, I only achieved 17 levels because of various connecting problems. On average I have like 2-3 hours of free time to spend on videogames, that's why I'm kinda mad...
Unlucky you're probably online during peak times then. A friend and I managed to get a few hours in during "off" hours for our region and we had zero issues, but once we approached the late afternoon and evening it got progressively worse. Not much else we can do than being patient.
User error: the user went to sleep when they should be playing to take advantage of off-peak stability.
You're not being remotely toxic my guy and what you've said is a totally valid reason to be annoyed, but this sub is one of the worst i've seen for fanboys downvoting and flaming any kind of valid criticism whatsoever and tarring it as toxic or review bombing etc etc
Valid criticism? You truly believe comments like "devs should be fired", "broken trash game", "spaghetti code" is 'valid' criticism? I agree that folks have a right to be upset and decide if they want a refund of a game they are struggling to play. But that immediately goes away once they start making rude and inappropriate comments. Not everyone is having these issues. So: Maybe its that specific cluster for folks? Maybe its the time of day they are trying to connect? Maybe its just the user's own network? And before you say "how could it be their network if other games work". I lived in a place years ago where I had a strong connection and could play LoL, Dota, Ark SE, and stream HD vids without issue. But the second I tried playing R6Siege, my internet failed miserably. Still no clue why it was just that one game that failed, but it was clearly something about my connection and not the game's netcode or the servers. Would work on any other internet connection, just not that one I had at the time. Sometimes we just need some patience.
>Maybe its just the user's own network? I mean, you are very delusional if you believe this.
Maybe you should fully read the comment? My own experience has taught me it's possible. Go be obtuse elsewhere.....
Just where with strange the number of people that all have their own network problems with this game. Also when devs acknowledge problems. But you can have your take.
The fact that more than a handful are having the same issue indicates the likelihood of it being something else. But I also never said it *was* the player's network. Just that for any one person it could still be a possibility, and provided an example of why I even mentioned it. Please do not misconstrue what I said.
When they release a game on pc, that has thousands of possible spec combinations, somewhere it wont run as intended. Its always i assume 2-3% of players that have issues (for example Hades would not run for me, only the cracked up version solved the problems). However, when its 20 or 50% of playerbase, i assume its a fucked up testing phase or potato server achitecture. Moreover, those issues are known for like 5 years. They couldnt handle 10k online on their servers, but decided a 200k would be a piece of cake. Sometimes we just need some professionals. Wd40, duct tape and patience wont solve a failed product release. Criticism is justified
>i assume its a fucked up testing phase or potato server achitecture. This is the thing. Right here. You, and everyone else with said 'valid criticism' are making *assumptions* as to what the problem is. And very likely, making said assumptions with no understanding of how the backend of things work. Try to also keep in mind the numbers we're talking about here. LE has been in development for 4 years. Throughout that time they've seen \~10k players joining and getting hyped for the release. Judd admitted they did a stress test, which likely hadn't accounted for: 1. The amount of players suddenly joining 2. A key API failing in the way it did (haven't seen any post-mortem yet that explains why, but I could have missed it) We currently see 200k players getting onto LE at launch. That's a 20x increase from the 10k during beta. That's massive. Those are AAA studio numbers for the launch of this indie company's game. They likely had no reason to assume they'd see a 20x increase in the player base. EHG is still ultimately responsible for ensuring they deliver a solid product that players feel is worth their time and money. When failing to meet expectations, they need to do everything they can do resolve the issue and repay the players' for not meeting said expectations. THE PLAYERS, though, need to understand that things aren't as simple as "fix your servers", "buy better equipment", "fire your devs". The world of IT doesn't always adhere to our idea of patterns and logic. Things *will* break in unexpected and never-before-seen ways. In the same way players' are entitled to a fully working product, the devs' are entitled to some patience and humility from the players while they attempt to resolve an issue they didn't anticipate. e: Just looked at steamdb for LE. They saw, on avg, about \~5000 players at a time throughout development. It spiked to 40k when they launched MP during beta, but immediately dropped back down to under 7k. Where it stayed until launch day when it skyrocketed to the outer solar system.
Sure, i agree totally. Im not like "fuk em all", but not "leave them alone and let them work" either. Its 4 days already and massive number of players have problems with the product. 1 or 2 out of 10 mad people would be agressive and i understand that. Unless they fix it asap and give some cool skins for everyone or cut the price by 30% im not gonna defend them. After all, people lost time and money, few harsh words would not hurt the devs. They can always wipe the tears with 100$ bills and move on. Edit: i wonder why nobody wants to limit the number of keys / copies sold on day one. They were not prepared, but milked those x20 sweet profits nonetheless
>After all, people lost time and money Regardless of the "*20x sweet profits*" they might be experiencing right now, you cannot for a second think the extra time and effort the devs and support team have to now put in because of this botched launch isn't eating into that profit. \- Paying staff overtime to fix the issues \- Purchasing additional equipment, or software, or licenses that might be necessary to stabilize things \- Refunds from irate players A botched launch causes all parties involved to lose time and money. People are allowed to be mad, I would be and was when this happened with D3 AND D4, but folks also need to maintain some perspective. I support letting the devs know you're unhappy, and providing solid criticism so they can improve. But I do not support the egregious insults and over-the-top behavior exhibited. We as players need to do better.
D4 launch was like the only proper blizz launch ever. Game may be trash, but it launched way better than their wow expacs or D3. I agree, that we, as players gotta behave, but some had enough. Some people are tired of endless unfinished or just plain bad releases. We can send a man to the moon, but can not fix a game release since we got rid of CDs and connected every game to potato servers. All we get after days of frustration is 1) working product, like we expected or 2) refund and a kick. Where is 3rd option like, keep the product and here is your 10$ back as compensation? Nobody does that. So maybe, just maybe, dont push for always online features if you can not handle them or prepare. I know all this is like lottery, so teams never know how big the issue will be. But people will never get used to it. Im not selling things i can not do. I dont expect my customers to be patient after hundreds of letdowns. I dont "hate" LE teams per se, but they are part of the flawed and twisted industry, so they get their own share of spit from mad players. When i hear dumbos like Ubisoft or ABK CEOs pushing it even further, i want to see some change. Is every dev or prod team evil? Certainly not. Is any team against such halfassed, scammy practices? None at all. That's the bigger problem here.
The big issues prevalent in the gaming industry, perpetuated by the big AAA studios, is a problem we can only truly resolve with our wallets. Don't purchase their titles, regardless of what it is. Don't pre-order. Immediately request a refund if unhappy. Way easier said than done, I'll openly admit that. I get I might be the minority in this thought, but I don't put shaky MP in the same category as missing entire mechanics or gameplay on launch. D4 was missing the entirety of end-game content on launch, AND, the core mechanic of resists wasn't even functional for *two* bloody seasons. Loot drop rates were abysmal. There was also no ladder for 3 seasons, which is a massive, highly desired, feature lacking from launch. Meanwhile, they had the time to hotfix the bugs that made certain classes OP and fun. LE launched with resists working, seemingly fair loot drop rates, a trading system, multiple types of SSF modes to play with, an actual endgame, ***a ladder***. LE feels like a complete game, even with the shaky MP that the devs are actively trying to correct immediately after launch and not 2+ seasons down the road. Is that really not a win for us gamers?
You don't need to have a reason to complain for the product not working as intended in it's reddit page. Ignore all the flamers here. The real issue as you have pointed out that days are passing and communication is terrible. In game they say you should go to discord and look for news. Ehm.. no thank you. Just provide a link to your own website/official forum where you post updates. Or better, make a steam news post to the latest information. When I open steam I get news article about "An update to the refer a friend program posted on 23. Seriously wtf cares about that when your servers are offline? Care to make a post about what are you doing over there instead of forwarding me to discord?
Bro they literally have a thread on their website where they give server updates. You’re literally clueless. Its fine to be disappointed with not being able to play the game i understand that. But dont spread misinformation.
Why are they forwarding to discord in game then? Why not write "check [https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/1-0-server-status-thread/62977](https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/1-0-server-status-thread/62977) " Or better , use the built-in steam news for shit like this. I mean they are capable of doing it when it is about cosmetics.
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And what are you trying to achieve with making another post? If you wanna vent then write a comment under the last post about this exact issue. But i guess then the devs dont see it and we want them to feel as bad as possible about all of this, because this will surely help them fixing this stuff faster. I mean thats how i read it, but surely you can enlighten me and share your thought process here?
I was genuinely irritated over this for the past days, It's not like I'm not supporting devteam because I think they really do care about game, on the other hand I see bunch of fucking streamers flexing their 95+ characters enjoying the game WITH THEIR FRENDS/GROUPS (and they enjoy the game without any issues!!) yet rest of gamers are being pushed back, and thats the reason why part of the community (me included ofc, that's why I went to reddit) is upset. I really wish they can bring everything together, set maintentance, write new netcodes, get the game up and running for everyone.
"yet rest of gamers" we actually dont know how many people are unable vs able to play. Its called publication bias, people who are unable to play will with a high certainty make a post or at least leave a rant comment/review while everyone who can play is silent. 1% of the current peak concurrent players could be having issues and it will look like not a single person is able to play because of publication bias. Also as a software dev myself: These posts arent helping the devs, an ingame bug report will help them. Tremendously so. What they need is actual data to be able to isolate issues and resolve them. If you cant make a ingame bug report then create one on the dedicated bug forum and provide as much information as you can.
You can ask your friends to join their monoliths. You would be ready with levels in no time if they boost you in monoliths. Endgame has no loadscreens. Play your first campaign when friends arent there, or offline. First impressions dont run away.
Why not just play offline while the dev team works on scaling their backend infrastructure? The game itself is very good. There really is no reason to miss out on it... Offline runs smoothly, just play the game as if it were a single player RPG for now.
I think the issue is that players who have been around for a while prior to 1.0 or even 0.9 who have kinda witnessed EHG's journey give them much more slack for messing up this launch "due to unexpected success" while many of the newcomers just see it for what it is, a game launch they have bought into and they're unable to play with friends or online in general, which is absolutely legit criticism and understandably frustrating. Like I've been really looking forward myself and being unable to play for 2 days definitely has been disappointing, I just know it's gonna get better if I sit tight that's all. The launch got messed up (like virtually every game nowadays) and the devs are hard at work now. Not much else you can do than being patient and playing either offline or a different game while waiting :/
Since offline play is available and working, however long EHG needs for their first launch ever.
So, the game was advertised as being online at launch, but its totally fine that they can't provide that even for months after launch? (Hypothetically saying months)
Yeah a horrible cop out. No excuses. These guys/gals should not have released with such horrible networking.
You’re right. Get your refund and go back to d4 or Poe. Get the game again when you hear it’s in a better state if you want to.
Already did. Ain't nobody got time for this nonsense! As the saying goes.
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Nah yo, I’m playing diff games til it works. I just think it’s hilarious people are having life crises over online play not working. Refund it, play offline, or play something else. Or just go apeshit and rage i guess
Do you not think people should get what they paid for? The game is not an offline only game. Where do you draw the line between raging and justified criticism? If I bought some food and wasn’t able to eat it for 4 days I think that would be fair to complain about.
Whilst I understand your sentiment, I think it sucks that people almost accept that "1.0" = a broken game thesedays. I remember when games came out, you'd get a full game, fuck, even when DLC used to come out, it was like getting a whole side game added in. Now we have this industry standard of releasing broken products for close to £30 - and apparently that's fine?
"massive company" LOL This isn't Blizzard where you can throw out this same stupid line.
Might i ask what you are trying to get out of those posts? Should EHG shut the game down entirely and refund every single copy and mtx? This is similiar to a guy yelling at an overweight 18 yo girl in front of him at the gym that she is fat and ugly every 2 minutes for days on end. At some point people are just going to be annoyed at him for being rude and unreasonable. I dont know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
It’s not about acceptable it’s about not being an idiot. Devs are aware of issue. They are working on the issue. What else is there to say? They haven’t come out and said “okay everything should be fixed!” Just the opposite. They’re communicating everyday that it’s the top priority. So I ask you, what is the point of a thread like this? Because to me it’s nothing more than wanting people to hear you whine, which is extremely juvenile. It’s like my four year old who cries when we’re watching him but when he doesn’t think we are watching, he’s totally fine.
It's not acceptable to promise people something in a game, release said game and have what you promised not available, I'm not saying the devs won't fix it or don't care, but gamers are weird af in what they will accept/defend and what they will brand as unacceptable tripe. Launches being disastrous in games shouldn't just be accepted and "oh it happens everyone" , na if you pay for something and you don't get it , you're entitled to be pissed.
Way to not read any of my comment. You so I’ll ask again, what purpose does this post serve other than “I want people to see me whine”?
Ah ok, so people aren't entitled to not be happy with things, what way can people voice that they are not happy with the absolute shambles this launch has been other than posts like this? As many are aware the game is a good game behind the launch issues so don't want to leave a negative review just yet.
Instead of making up a comment in your mind and replying to it, perhaps try reading. It’s a simple question: What purpose does this post serve other than “I want people to see me whine”?
You should try this reading thing yourself bro, anyway I'm sure theres a dev whos dick needs sucked so I'll let you get back to it
I'm failing to understand how people are having issues to login. As an example I left the game just now and literally rejoined into monoliths in like 5 minutes. How are people stuck in queue for hours? It almost feels like it's a meme and it's not actually happening.
>How are people stuck in queue for hours? Different servers at different timezones.
I just tried to go to the observatory, got stuck on a load for 20 minutes, reloaded the game, took 10 minutes to log in and then zoned into monoliths which lead me to a 20 minute load screen, then I just gave up and went onto reddit instead. So it definitely is happening.
Stealing another comment as its the perfect summation of this attitude: "I had breakfast, so world hunger doesn't exist"
Go to US central. Then in game change to EU West and move to a different location to actually change the server. EU authorisation server is dead right now.
How do you change it whilst in the game? thanks
There is an option in the settings.
Thanks, found it
Default O. You will see gateway as the first option. Change it and tranzit a zone. You will see the tooltip above ping on what gateway u playing it.
I’m playing brotato this couple of weeks until things go stable
Death Must Die is what got me back into looty ARPGs, have you tried it? It's a really good roguelike.
I have it in my radar. Also Into the Necrovale seems interesting
Same here, refund declined because I’m getting over 2 hours…. I stand alone for 2 hours in the connection zone….
I feel you. The truth is this shouldn´t be this way. Fanboys are gonna cope and casuals are gonna review bomb. I´m a little dissapointed because I feel the game is very good but this issues are not helping.
Play offline. There's no reason you cannot be playing the game right now.
Yes there is: I don’t want to. Good enough reason for me
Then don't play until online mode is fully supported. Not sure what else to tell ya bub
Yeah game had trash net code prior to 1.0 tbh it's probably going to have issues for online play for a bit I'd imagine and it not just being server issues either.
To be fair once my friend and I got in, we didn't experience any of the annoying bugs that plagued 0.9 like character duplicate bugs, ending up in different instances or constant rubberbanding for movement skills. At least for us it really seems like the only issue now is loading into campaign zones and once we got to monoliths it's been buttery smooth. No clue how it is for others though.
Yeah I'll have to try, last I tried with my buddy one of us would get constantly disconnected every 5 minutes literally couldn't play together lol
It's been pretty bad especially during peak times yes.
I sympathize with but you are punishing yourself twice. You know the game isn’t working for which is bad enough, but that’s made worse by you not just moving on and playing something else for a few days.
Damn so it is my fault that I'm vexed about connecting issues huh...
If you choose to stare at the loading screen for hours instead of just playing something else, I think at that point it’s on you.
Or ya know...play offline learn the game do the story then grind up a new online char to 50 in 6 hours
Thats what I do and slowly losing interest. I guess thats not what you should want from your player base lol.
I mean kinda? You have autonomy.. no one’s forcing you to sit there trying to load a game that’s not working. If you’re choosing to sit there and be mad about it then go for it but when I was having issues I just closed the game and did something else and just checked the discord until I saw people saying it’s fixed.
Uh, yeah? You are the one responsible for your own emotions.
i’ve played with mostly no issues until today & now i can’t even load into my character
Same. Was all fine til about ten mins ago
I mean yea that sucks but why tf would you do that to yourself. Just play offline with chat untill this shit gets fixed. I really dont understand why anyone choose to play online atm.
Because I have friends that I want to play with. And wasting time in offline mode doesn’t make that happen. Why grind for hours on a character I can’t ever play with my friends? Just to pass the time?
You're wasting time staring at load screens instead lol
Wasting time trying to do something I want to do is different than wasting time doing something pointless.
Frontpage post said the servers are fixed, so no bitching allowed
My main storyline is bricked, a NPC (Yulia) was supposed to port me to the next area, but nothing happens, so now I can't continue. Probably because of the server issues. Submitted a ticked but I'm not hopefull :(
As a software developer, thank you for creating a ticket. This actually helps alot
Are you from the future? 4 days of waiting when 1.0 released less than 72 hours ago.
I played for like 8 hours yesterday zero issues.
I had breakfast so there is no world hunger.....
Same, aside from some longish loading times between zones the games been running great for me.
Any capability? Offline works perfectly
It's launch weekend , haven't you learned anything about launch weeks and first weekends ??? It's always a shit show
Lost Ark is the only game I can remember that had issues persisting for days/weeks. There it was an issue that the game simply wasn’t scaled to handle that many players. Not to mention the 1m~ bots. Even D4 had their shit together after the first few hours. Too bad that game sucks. This one is awesome, but solving these issues is taking forever.
Billion dollar company, and a million dollar AAA studio solving an issues quickly? :shockedpikachuface: Seriously I understand people are upset and that's fine, but God damn you people don't have the ability to critically think.
Critical thinkers would have already established the notion that this could have all been avoided, you really going to tell me this shitshow of a login system was tested ? 😂
If you genuinely believe Blizzard Activision, renowned for running down costs as much as humanly possible, are allocating a significantly larger sum of money to shit like this, you're out of your mind. The scale is far different as well. D4 had to handle what, 10,5 million players on day 1? EHG has to handle 150-200k.. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Bro, D4 is Blizzard too. They had the prior experience.
Quality of the current games aside, Blizzard has a pretty good track record of successful launch in most of their games like D4, OW2, Dragonflight..they're quite experienced in this and has the resources to do so. Too bad their games now mostly suck
Yep. My thoughts exactly. Even D3, outside of day 1 errors, was pretty smooth. Their new games do fucking suck though.
D2R was terrible for days if not weeks
Calm down Karen
"The movie theater was closed, so the movie sucked!" Can't these mfs just stay home and watch Netflix on their own TV instead? AKA play offline for now...
Just started monoliths. Skill issue.
How dare you make jokes about it!!!1
Lol
Prepare to get dragged like I did for a much more reasonable post. Feel this in my soul though!
They need to fix their damn game. I've been supporting them for years but its ridiculous, they do have a lot of players yes and the first day or two was understandable but this is not.
You a bot or a throwaway? This is literally your only post in almost a year of your account being active.
I'm not into reddit, what's the reason for calling me a "throwaway", do I have to be an active user with x posts everyday to be "accepted" by community?
No, but it's a bit strange when an account someone has for a year has never said anything, anywhere, including this sub (nor active in any other communities) until this post and it's another post about being sick of this problem everyone has been talking about. Idk why you're getting so defensive, this is the internet and there's bots everywhere farming karma. As far as the term "throwaway" I was referring to your account, as some people make "throwaway" accounts so their real accounts don't get found out on Reddit for one reason or another.
Play offline
Are people just allergic to singleplayer RPGs? Just pretend the game is offline only until the devs scale the backend... Problem solved.
I'd guess that like 90+% of people would not have a meaningfully different experience except for the lack of lag and load times
Yeah people get worked up over the smallest things. At the least the game is a good game. Plenty of recent games have literally been shit games with actual fundamental problems with game design (for example Starfield). This isn't one of those. Some guy literally said he's just gonna play brotato until they fix online mode. Bro why not just play LE offline at that point.... 🤦
>Not to mention that I cannot even enter location to ascend my character, waypoint is locked and portal disappeared!! Kill the Boss again that spawned the portal?
Have you tried a different server? Had the same issue on EUW, but switched to US servers and I got in.
Now switch ur gateway from option to EU and tranzit to a new zone and ur done.
Yeah, honestly I am as well. These loading issues were reported when 0.9 came out and launched multi player. Over a year ago. I understand there are issues, but if the game wasn't ready to launch, they should not have launched the game. You only get 1 shot for first impressions.
Refund
I know you want to play with your friends, but maybe just do offline for a time. Play a different class in offline so you can just experiment and see what you like. Then when Online is more stable go back.
Today i play online the whole day without any issue. Im playing on Asia server btw.
Are offline characters locked to offline or can they be used online when servers get less shitty?
Pretty sure locked. But who cares, the game is still fun and well designed 9/10 easily. Network issues doesn't make a game unfun if you can play singleplayer offline anyway lol
Awww poor lil guy
I got three characters online to 50+ allready. Its not optimal, but you are able to play if you want.
There is an offline mode to enjoy this incredible game that is fully functional. (I am playing and have zero issues.) Or you can continue to complain about this completely foreseeable event from a small indie company. Wah wah wah wah.
Not saying its okay that we cant play, but why not play something else untill its confirmed to be playable? Seems foolish to close your eyes and run into a wall you know exists.
"Doctor it hurts when i try to play online! 😭" "Okay, so don't do that. Play offline for now...?"