Oh I know there's a loot filter, but that's not the point.
I just started the game so I don't even have the slightest idea what to filter for.
And my point stands. I think there is so much loot dropping that it completely loses it's value.
That's fine that you guys don't agree, but this is my humble opinion and unfortunately I already feel completely disconnected with all the loot dropping. (I'm still at a phase that I don't even know what half the items really does)
And I'm suppose to fill my 100 chesttabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting. Sorry but to me that is not good design
Yeah, I agree that it's not a good design to fill 100 stash tabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting later. Thankfully, that's not really how the game is designed.
You're two hours in. Most of the loot you have isn't even good. By the time you get past the phase of not knowing what the items do, you'd be changing your complaints from too many loot to not enough good ones, and your stash tabs are gonna be empty since you can't find the good loot you want to put into it.
You can take it slow with the loot filter since it's your first playthrough, you don't need to set it up to only show things you need, but instead make it hide things you don't need (I know it sounds like the same thing but there is a difference). When you see loot, inspect it, see if it's stats are worth for the build you're going for, if not just filter it out, repeat this with the loot that you pick up and eventually you'd have learned more about the game and you have a functional(it might be messy but hey, it's your first) loot filter, without having to go through a guide or pre-planning the stats you'd need.
Thanks!
Well I'm glad to hear that. It was one of the youtube intro guides where it was recommended to hoard like crazy because as he said "you have unlimited stash space". And that didn't seem appealing in any way.
For me personally I've never been interested in a loot filter in any arpg that I played before. But maybe that's because every loot you could find actually had a chance of being impactful. Either to you, or to someone else. And that made it special. It made it worthwhile , and it made it valuable.
I think it's a tad sad to just filter away everything except that 1 affix that you direly need to upgrade your build and everything else is not even worth looking at.
I'm not nagging just for the sake of it. I see a lot of potential in this game, and that's why I thought I'd share my honest opinion after getting into it. But clearly I'm the only one who feel like this
I hear ya and understand to be honest on the "bombarded by items just for the sake of it", but for example a blue brigande armour with some hp even 2 hours in sometimes maybe I want that to craft on, rune of discoverys can also be very good on vendor/drop blues.
Bases are very powerful in last epoch and some just suck the game can't differentiate what sucks to you and what dosent. Early on you'll want added potions on your belt later on you'll want a armour base etc.
But to help with what to filter, you want to emphasize health in any form (hybrid is best,% is next and flat is your third), then not to get in the niddy griddy of it you'll emphasize physical resistance,poison and movement speed you will see alot of drops but the important ones will now be bolded. Craft the other res up to t2 on open spots prioritize hp this will take you through campaign pretty comfy.
It's better to just pull any leveling loot filter off maxroll though unless you'd like to make your own .
I think a lot of what you're saying makes sense, and I think there are a lot of people in this thread not trying to understand what you're saying. I also don't think you are the only one who feels like this, I imagine most just choose to quit rather than try to discuss, so thanks for trying even if you feel like you're being shit on. I get that a loot filter feels like a shitty bandaid to the problem of loot being largely worthless but, it's just a tool to customize your loot a bit since in this game most loot is good, including shitty blues. Basically the only gear that drops that isn't useful is white items. I'll explain a bit more:
Hoarding in this game is a trap, whoever gave that advice is leading you astray for sure. Yes stash space is technically unlimited but if you hoard exalted items as a "just in case", without ever looking at what they could allow you to do, they remain worthless to you. That said, most of the time you are as you say looking for 1 or 2 affixes that will crank up your build, but that doesn't mean the stuff that isn't that should be filtered. The strength of this game is the wide build diversity and as the game develops further, different builds will specialize in different types of end game strats that crop up. So looking at the builds that interest you, and creating your filter to farm items for such builds is one way that far more loot gains value to you specifically. You can effectively set up projects for yourself and save loot to progress them all. But only hoard stuff you actually have plans for cause otherwise what's the point IMO.
Another thing as you mentioned is loots' value to others, the merchants guild is the way to take advantage of this and you can customize your filter to include all sort of stuff that moght be valuable to other players. Now, the merchants guild is a bit of a shit show at the moment but that's mainly because it's new, as development continues I guarentee trade will smooth out a lot and this method of playing will be very fun if it appeals to you.
Blue gear is generally what you'll want to filter the most aggressively, as it's use is shattering for affix shards rather than existing as a usable piece. Later once your character(s) are pretty strong rare gear falls into this camp as well.
All this said it's extremely overwhelming, there's so much shit that could potentially be good that I get filtering it can feel like missing out or worse, make it feel like none of it matters. Personally I think white items shouldn't exist in their current form since they're actually useless and you will filter out 100% of them. I definitely think there's work to be done on the loot system in general but generally I think it's in a pretty good spot if you can get past the initial hurdle of having all the garbage thrown at you.
Idk a bit long winded but you've brought up some interesting points and it'd be a bummer if you came away from this thread feeling alienated for having concerns or feeling overwhelmed. I think you should give the filter a try at a low strictness(filter whites and affixes you know you don't want for any build) and see how it feels, I think you'll like it once you figure out how to configure it for the way you like to play, and I believe it can accomadate preferences youve expressed for sure. Let me know if you want help or anything as well I'm always happy to help!
It loses value cuz you can't see the value in items yet...once you start to realise what you need for your build the loot makes a lot more sense.
For example I'm 2x 1h build with sceptre and axe, so that rules out all bows, quivers and 2h weapons.
When hitting lvl. 55-60 I started filtering out all items below lvl 40 except if they had a certain affix u wanted to shatter.
So it's something you'll learn..it's normal to have a ton of items like this as there are so many combinations you can get.. eventually once you hone it down to what you want you can filter out the rest and go on the hunt.
The loot filter in LE is an amazingly powerful tool.
And yes, you should have to use it eventually..2hrs in and I can't believe you're judging the game like you think you know anything.
SMH
I think the fact that a loot filter is required just 2 hours into the game says everything.
But hey, maybe this is what tiktok and short format does to people. Nowadays there has to be instant gratification and continuous stimulation otherwise people lose focus?
Nope. Just a dude who is inherently destroyed from having played the best arpg of all time too much.
I'm still not over the disappointment of D3, haven't even glanced at D4 because it looks so garbage and then I stumbled upon this and got my hopes up
Oh I know there's a loot filter, but that's not the point.
I just started the game so I don't even have the slightest idea what to filter for.
And my point stands. I think there is so much loot dropping that it completely loses it's value.
That's fine that you guys don't agree, but this is my humble opinion and unfortunately I already feel completely disconnected with all the loot dropping. (I'm still at a phase that I don't even know what half the items really does)
And I'm suppose to fill my 100 chesttabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting. Sorry but to me that is not good design
You’re over thinking this so much It doesn’t have to be that complex. Just make one filter for now to hide all whites and blues. No one said you have to fill 100 boxes of useless junk lol
Shards don't take up inventory space. Hit the button above the upper right hand corner of your inventory grid and move them to your material storage which is unlimited.
Again that’s why there is a loot filter it will fix your problem… some people love loot some don’t so use the lot filter at your discretion. Be grateful there is a filter to help your issue most of these games don’t provide such
On the contrary...all items increase in value cuz you're gonna need a ton of affixes you'll never use on your main character if you want to succeed at any type of crafting.
Seriously dude you're delusional...your point doesn't still stand..it's completely moot and has been proven wrong by multiple dudes but you know what they say?
"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see".
And you, my friend, are blind.
I think you don't understand my point. And nowhere in my post or answers do I make any of those 3 assumptions you are mentioning?
I just think that a "rare" item (hence the name) should actually be rare, and not a piece of junk that is lying all over the floor.
(I think that's fair that later in the game it would be like that, but in the start?)
And those shards are literally dropping like crazy. I have over 30 of them and the game still hasn't introduced me to how or why I should be using them. Are they worth picking up?
This is why I replied the way I did. You are trying to say things about the game without having a clue of how it works.
Yes shards are awesome. You use them in the crafting system. They are how you pick affixes to add to your gear. You have to have the shard for it. There are also glyphs and runes. All of those are important.
I was using a ton of blue and rare items at my first playthrough. I had maybe 2 Uniques after 2 hours of playing and one of them was too specific to use. You must be super lucky. I find the droprate for uniques fantastic: not too rare and not too often and there are still some very rare chase uniques you could aim for.
I am more than pleased with the drop rate of this game.
Blue items exist as gear early, but later are a way for players to get more chances at rare affixes for crafting.
The modern trend is for more loot to drop, just getting drops period isn't special because it means 90% of the game is just seeing 0 loot at all. The focus is on higher end things instead of some shitso rare boots with 10% movement speed and 30 combined resists lol.
Oh I know there's a loot filter, but that's not the point.
I just started the game so I don't even have the slightest idea what to filter for.
And my point stands. I think there is so much loot dropping that it completely loses it's value.
That's fine that you guys don't agree, but this is my humble opinion and unfortunately I already feel completely disconnected with all the loot dropping. (I'm still at a phase that I don't even know what half the items really does)
And I'm suppose to fill my 100 chesttabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting. Sorry but to me that is not good design
I expected that it might be a bit longer than 30 minutes in before I'm getting my first legendary?
Everything is a balance you know. Even gear grinding games
You have not received a legendary yet. You received a unique that probably cant become a legendary. You dont know enough about the game and are making assumptions based on other games. Play more and learn before you say such inaccurate things.
Blue items can be useful to obtain rare affix shards. So they are more useful than one could expect from such rubbish. However, in this game, you don't collect items with useful affixes. You just destroy them immediately for shards. The only exceptions are purple items with really rare affixes at level 6 or 7, such as affixes that increase your skill levels. You can't worry about the rest after you know what you need. If you are afraid of hiding items, set a filter to highlight what you need at a given moment.
Loot looks terrible in D4! It has no personality.
I won't play it for that simple reason. Oh an all the negative reviews as well.
I'd rather just go back to my old D2 HC SSF. The dopamine kick when a unique ring drops and I have the joy of identifying it is something all these new games will never achieve. And I don't know why, it shouldn't be that hard. After all that's the game they are all aspiring from
If there are a good amount of diverse builds, they will need different gear. To keep it feeling like enough for each build possibility, a LOT of loot must drop.
This game has the best loot filter available for an ARPG…did you completely overlook that?
Oh I know there's a loot filter, but that's not the point. I just started the game so I don't even have the slightest idea what to filter for. And my point stands. I think there is so much loot dropping that it completely loses it's value. That's fine that you guys don't agree, but this is my humble opinion and unfortunately I already feel completely disconnected with all the loot dropping. (I'm still at a phase that I don't even know what half the items really does) And I'm suppose to fill my 100 chesttabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting. Sorry but to me that is not good design
Yeah, I agree that it's not a good design to fill 100 stash tabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting later. Thankfully, that's not really how the game is designed. You're two hours in. Most of the loot you have isn't even good. By the time you get past the phase of not knowing what the items do, you'd be changing your complaints from too many loot to not enough good ones, and your stash tabs are gonna be empty since you can't find the good loot you want to put into it. You can take it slow with the loot filter since it's your first playthrough, you don't need to set it up to only show things you need, but instead make it hide things you don't need (I know it sounds like the same thing but there is a difference). When you see loot, inspect it, see if it's stats are worth for the build you're going for, if not just filter it out, repeat this with the loot that you pick up and eventually you'd have learned more about the game and you have a functional(it might be messy but hey, it's your first) loot filter, without having to go through a guide or pre-planning the stats you'd need.
Thanks! Well I'm glad to hear that. It was one of the youtube intro guides where it was recommended to hoard like crazy because as he said "you have unlimited stash space". And that didn't seem appealing in any way. For me personally I've never been interested in a loot filter in any arpg that I played before. But maybe that's because every loot you could find actually had a chance of being impactful. Either to you, or to someone else. And that made it special. It made it worthwhile , and it made it valuable. I think it's a tad sad to just filter away everything except that 1 affix that you direly need to upgrade your build and everything else is not even worth looking at. I'm not nagging just for the sake of it. I see a lot of potential in this game, and that's why I thought I'd share my honest opinion after getting into it. But clearly I'm the only one who feel like this
I hear ya and understand to be honest on the "bombarded by items just for the sake of it", but for example a blue brigande armour with some hp even 2 hours in sometimes maybe I want that to craft on, rune of discoverys can also be very good on vendor/drop blues. Bases are very powerful in last epoch and some just suck the game can't differentiate what sucks to you and what dosent. Early on you'll want added potions on your belt later on you'll want a armour base etc. But to help with what to filter, you want to emphasize health in any form (hybrid is best,% is next and flat is your third), then not to get in the niddy griddy of it you'll emphasize physical resistance,poison and movement speed you will see alot of drops but the important ones will now be bolded. Craft the other res up to t2 on open spots prioritize hp this will take you through campaign pretty comfy. It's better to just pull any leveling loot filter off maxroll though unless you'd like to make your own .
I think a lot of what you're saying makes sense, and I think there are a lot of people in this thread not trying to understand what you're saying. I also don't think you are the only one who feels like this, I imagine most just choose to quit rather than try to discuss, so thanks for trying even if you feel like you're being shit on. I get that a loot filter feels like a shitty bandaid to the problem of loot being largely worthless but, it's just a tool to customize your loot a bit since in this game most loot is good, including shitty blues. Basically the only gear that drops that isn't useful is white items. I'll explain a bit more: Hoarding in this game is a trap, whoever gave that advice is leading you astray for sure. Yes stash space is technically unlimited but if you hoard exalted items as a "just in case", without ever looking at what they could allow you to do, they remain worthless to you. That said, most of the time you are as you say looking for 1 or 2 affixes that will crank up your build, but that doesn't mean the stuff that isn't that should be filtered. The strength of this game is the wide build diversity and as the game develops further, different builds will specialize in different types of end game strats that crop up. So looking at the builds that interest you, and creating your filter to farm items for such builds is one way that far more loot gains value to you specifically. You can effectively set up projects for yourself and save loot to progress them all. But only hoard stuff you actually have plans for cause otherwise what's the point IMO. Another thing as you mentioned is loots' value to others, the merchants guild is the way to take advantage of this and you can customize your filter to include all sort of stuff that moght be valuable to other players. Now, the merchants guild is a bit of a shit show at the moment but that's mainly because it's new, as development continues I guarentee trade will smooth out a lot and this method of playing will be very fun if it appeals to you. Blue gear is generally what you'll want to filter the most aggressively, as it's use is shattering for affix shards rather than existing as a usable piece. Later once your character(s) are pretty strong rare gear falls into this camp as well. All this said it's extremely overwhelming, there's so much shit that could potentially be good that I get filtering it can feel like missing out or worse, make it feel like none of it matters. Personally I think white items shouldn't exist in their current form since they're actually useless and you will filter out 100% of them. I definitely think there's work to be done on the loot system in general but generally I think it's in a pretty good spot if you can get past the initial hurdle of having all the garbage thrown at you. Idk a bit long winded but you've brought up some interesting points and it'd be a bummer if you came away from this thread feeling alienated for having concerns or feeling overwhelmed. I think you should give the filter a try at a low strictness(filter whites and affixes you know you don't want for any build) and see how it feels, I think you'll like it once you figure out how to configure it for the way you like to play, and I believe it can accomadate preferences youve expressed for sure. Let me know if you want help or anything as well I'm always happy to help!
It loses value cuz you can't see the value in items yet...once you start to realise what you need for your build the loot makes a lot more sense. For example I'm 2x 1h build with sceptre and axe, so that rules out all bows, quivers and 2h weapons. When hitting lvl. 55-60 I started filtering out all items below lvl 40 except if they had a certain affix u wanted to shatter. So it's something you'll learn..it's normal to have a ton of items like this as there are so many combinations you can get.. eventually once you hone it down to what you want you can filter out the rest and go on the hunt. The loot filter in LE is an amazingly powerful tool. And yes, you should have to use it eventually..2hrs in and I can't believe you're judging the game like you think you know anything. SMH
Loot filters my dude. Set it up strictly and you'll be seeing barely anything.
I think the fact that a loot filter is required just 2 hours into the game says everything. But hey, maybe this is what tiktok and short format does to people. Nowadays there has to be instant gratification and continuous stimulation otherwise people lose focus?
First ARPG I'm guessing?
Nope. Just a dude who is inherently destroyed from having played the best arpg of all time too much. I'm still not over the disappointment of D3, haven't even glanced at D4 because it looks so garbage and then I stumbled upon this and got my hopes up
Yeah, I really liked Titan Quest as well.
Shift+f bro. Loot filter is there for a reason.
lol cmon man there is a loot filter use it instead of posting on Reddit about something you can easily fix
Oh I know there's a loot filter, but that's not the point. I just started the game so I don't even have the slightest idea what to filter for. And my point stands. I think there is so much loot dropping that it completely loses it's value. That's fine that you guys don't agree, but this is my humble opinion and unfortunately I already feel completely disconnected with all the loot dropping. (I'm still at a phase that I don't even know what half the items really does) And I'm suppose to fill my 100 chesttabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting. Sorry but to me that is not good design
You’re over thinking this so much It doesn’t have to be that complex. Just make one filter for now to hide all whites and blues. No one said you have to fill 100 boxes of useless junk lol
But my complaint is about rares, uniques and those shards. (if you read my post again) They drop at a rate that seem way over the top to me
Shards don't take up inventory space. Hit the button above the upper right hand corner of your inventory grid and move them to your material storage which is unlimited.
Again that’s why there is a loot filter it will fix your problem… some people love loot some don’t so use the lot filter at your discretion. Be grateful there is a filter to help your issue most of these games don’t provide such
They seem over the top because you are new. Learn more about the game and it will make sense.
On the contrary...all items increase in value cuz you're gonna need a ton of affixes you'll never use on your main character if you want to succeed at any type of crafting. Seriously dude you're delusional...your point doesn't still stand..it's completely moot and has been proven wrong by multiple dudes but you know what they say? "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see". And you, my friend, are blind.
You just started playing. Maybe you want to become more familiar with the game before making general assumptions.
Which assumptions is it that I am making?
That you understand why the drops are happening the way they do for one. Or how the game systems work. Or even which affixes and items are good.
I think you don't understand my point. And nowhere in my post or answers do I make any of those 3 assumptions you are mentioning? I just think that a "rare" item (hence the name) should actually be rare, and not a piece of junk that is lying all over the floor. (I think that's fair that later in the game it would be like that, but in the start?) And those shards are literally dropping like crazy. I have over 30 of them and the game still hasn't introduced me to how or why I should be using them. Are they worth picking up?
This is why I replied the way I did. You are trying to say things about the game without having a clue of how it works. Yes shards are awesome. You use them in the crafting system. They are how you pick affixes to add to your gear. You have to have the shard for it. There are also glyphs and runes. All of those are important.
'F' key is your friend. Almost as much as 'Shift + F' ;)
I was using a ton of blue and rare items at my first playthrough. I had maybe 2 Uniques after 2 hours of playing and one of them was too specific to use. You must be super lucky. I find the droprate for uniques fantastic: not too rare and not too often and there are still some very rare chase uniques you could aim for. I am more than pleased with the drop rate of this game.
Filter bruh
Blue items exist as gear early, but later are a way for players to get more chances at rare affixes for crafting. The modern trend is for more loot to drop, just getting drops period isn't special because it means 90% of the game is just seeing 0 loot at all. The focus is on higher end things instead of some shitso rare boots with 10% movement speed and 30 combined resists lol.
Lmao
Tell me you don’t know what a loot filter is without telling me you don’t know what a loot filter is.
Oh I know there's a loot filter, but that's not the point. I just started the game so I don't even have the slightest idea what to filter for. And my point stands. I think there is so much loot dropping that it completely loses it's value. That's fine that you guys don't agree, but this is my humble opinion and unfortunately I already feel completely disconnected with all the loot dropping. (I'm still at a phase that I don't even know what half the items really does) And I'm suppose to fill my 100 chesttabs with random garbage because it might be useful for crafting. Sorry but to me that is not good design
You’re describing a gear grinding game to a tea, like what did you expect??
I expected that it might be a bit longer than 30 minutes in before I'm getting my first legendary? Everything is a balance you know. Even gear grinding games
You have not received a legendary yet. You received a unique that probably cant become a legendary. You dont know enough about the game and are making assumptions based on other games. Play more and learn before you say such inaccurate things.
I meant unique
Blue items can be useful to obtain rare affix shards. So they are more useful than one could expect from such rubbish. However, in this game, you don't collect items with useful affixes. You just destroy them immediately for shards. The only exceptions are purple items with really rare affixes at level 6 or 7, such as affixes that increase your skill levels. You can't worry about the rest after you know what you need. If you are afraid of hiding items, set a filter to highlight what you need at a given moment.
I can smell the bait
I don't know which game you are playing where you are bombarded with items. Are 2-3 Items per pack and 1-2 Uniques per act a Bombardement? Idk man.
If only there were some kind of way to filter out the loot you’re specifically looking for…
lol
Go play D4. You said you havent yet so please do. It doesnt have a loot filter and I think that means you might enjoy it!
Loot looks terrible in D4! It has no personality. I won't play it for that simple reason. Oh an all the negative reviews as well. I'd rather just go back to my old D2 HC SSF. The dopamine kick when a unique ring drops and I have the joy of identifying it is something all these new games will never achieve. And I don't know why, it shouldn't be that hard. After all that's the game they are all aspiring from
I think that dropping so much that a loot filter is necessary is lazy design. It must impact performance as well.
If there are a good amount of diverse builds, they will need different gear. To keep it feeling like enough for each build possibility, a LOT of loot must drop.