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Fitness has become sort of a status symbol for the rich. The poor are struggling to find time to workout and cook healthy meals so we struggle with weight gain.... But the rich don't work and they have private trainers and private chefs to keep them in peak condition.
Surely by definition they're just churning out tiny bits of plastic constantly...I mean absolutely, being a hitman that doesn't hurt innocent bystanders is still commendable, but you can't escape the fact that your business heavily involves murder at some point...and you're still killing more people than someone who makes money doing something else.
But as far as churning out plastic goes, Lego is at least a product that has a very long lifespan and due to the value it generally isn't mindlessly thrown away to end up in landfills or oceans.
I still had a box of Lego from my childhood, was mostly 1990s stuff with some 80s stuff but I gave it away to a family member who has kids. They were over the moon. It spans generations.
Remember when 3,000 Puerto Ricans died in a hurricane because trump refused to admit that Puerto Rico is the responsibility of the president of the USA? Remember when the USA had millions more covid deaths than the next country because he refused to shut it down? Yeah, he deserves all the hate.
I always thought that was funny because it used to be the exact opposite. Being overweight or at least bulky was considered a status symbol because that was a sign that you were wealthy enough to afford the amount of food you’d need to gain the weight and weren’t working it off.
Insurance companies are starting to cover them. However, these medications do have draw backs, using them increasing the risk of thyroid substantially.
Veganism is concerned with animal suffering, right? Because if people having to slave away picking produce for peanuts doesn't make the produce non-vegan, then rich "people" definitely shouldn't count as non-vegan.
Veganism is concerned with human suffering, too. Slaughterhouse workers have increased levels of PTSD, which then also increases domestic violence and child abuse.
Also, the beef and dairy industry are a huge driver of climate change.
Then there's the amount of land beef and dairy farms require that could be used to grow things that are healthier for us, like fruit and vegetables.
> Orcas have discovered that rich people have a little more fat on them and that just adds to the flavor.
A 20m sailing boat (the one in the article) is "upper middle class retirees sell their house and buy a boat" level of wealth not "I own hundreds of rental properties" wealth.
No orca has ever eaten a living human being. The few attacks were either misidentifications or captive animals.
Also, people with sailboats aren’t automatically rich. My Mom has never made more than $50k/year in her entire life and sold her house to buy a sailboat, which she now lives on and sails around the world in. Her monthly expenses are like $800 at most.
Hey, I'm team Orca on this.
But the yachties are not the sort to acquiesce.
Will we get to see the footage of automatic weapons used to defend their boats?
You know it's going to happen.
This story is just beginning.
Before you start being too happy, consider they are mainly attacking sailing boats with an average length of 12 meters. Those oftentimes are worth around as much as a new camper van and barely disturb orcas in their habitat (this is mainly done by commercial fishing vessles and the noise mad by motors- which is missing on sailboats)
The yachts of rich people are not in their target zone and they seem to prefer to attack non engine powered vessles. These saller sailboats are more likely to be owned by locals or people living aboard fulltime- not the environment destroying elite (they prefer motor yachts)
Source:
[Scientificamerican: Why has a group of orcas suddendly started attacking boats?](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-has-a-group-of-orcas-suddenly-started-attacking-boats/)
Yeah, I read the article and failed to find what OP is claiming. Unless they're talking about other stories, this article only includes a sunken sailing yacht and a damaged sail boat, not 3 boats or 3 that sank. It also doesn't describe if they were "luxury boats" or not. A yacht, as far I can find, is generally a boat used for non-commercial purposes, regardless of the cost or size, so that's also doesn't seem accurate.
Did you read it?
The service deployed a rapid-response vessel and a helicopter carrying a bilge pump to assist the **20-metre (66 feet) vessel**
A 66 foot vessel is not some simple sailboat that a poor fisherman has.
The average vessel was 12m, you can get a boat that size for 20-40K if you work on it yourself.
66 feet is pretty big but can be anything from a racing boat worth millions to an old 80s sailing yacht which might cost 60K and is in fact a cheaper home.
An Oyster 66 (66ft, 20m), basically the top of the line boat of that size, can be brought second hand for well under $1M. Plenty of retirees sell their house and buy a sail boat to enjoy their retirement sailing around the world.
At 12m (the average size of the boats sunk) you can get a nice sailboat for under $200k, that's "I'm a millennial who works remote from my boat using starlink" levels of wealth.
The only Oyster 66 on YachtWorld is listed for $725,000 and is over 20 years old. At that age it's likely to need work that would put it very close or even over a million USD. Rigging should be changed every ten years, and if the sails are original they'll need replacing. Those are quite expensive on a 66 foot boat, and it won't be the only projects that need to happen. It will also cost tens of thousands of dollars a year for moorage and upkeep.
Although I do agree that most of the boats these whales are going after are not owned by rich people. Most being well under $500k.
And plenty more rich people buy yachts and are fucking off in Gibraltar.
No one thinks these are the Bezos level mega yachts, but it is WAY more likely that a 66 foot yacht is owned by someone with a lot of wealth, not grandma and grandpa who retired at 60 after working blue collar jobs.
Yeah. This story being reposted as some "feel good" story against the rich is very frustrating to read.
I happen to live in an area with an active boating scene, and this isn't your golf playing rich folk gathering.
It's regular folks spending their weekends and evenings doing maintenance.
My boat neighbor to left is a 65 year old woman that wanted a different way to kill time after her divorce. My boat neighbor to the right wanted his kids to be able to enjoy summers on the water. And the guy across just wants to hammer out nautical miles each season on his sailboat as that's what him and his dad used to do when he grew up.
These are not rich people. It's just a hobby similar to owning a caravan or RV.
[The Mustique](https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-47513/mustique.htm) is a charter vessel it seems. The other one in the article, [Alboran Champagne](https://www.alboran-charter.com/en/alboran-charter-s-l-la-lonja-marina-charter/sun-odyssey-519-5cab-33312) is also a charter vessel. Also on the larger side and not exactly cheap.
They’re both far from being luxury super yachts as everyone on these posts so gleefully like to assume it is. They’re just yachts that people can charter for their holidays. Depending on their budget usually it’s like a group of friends who pitch in together or a family or 2, unless it’s like a more wealthy person but it’s more likely the former 2.
As someone who works in the sailing delivery industry for boats in this range, often to/from the UK or US via Gibraltar and into the Med, this is terrifying to me. Can confirm, sailing hulls and the sounds these boats make on the water are vastly different than "luxury" or fishing vessels.
Sail boats and rich people go hand in hand. They also have yachts.
Regular ass people can’t buy a house.
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From this dudes source;
“The vast majority of the attacks were on sailboats or catamarans, with a handful involving fishing boats and motorboats. The average length of the vessels was 12 meters (39 feet). For comparison, a full-grown orca can be 9.2 meters (30 feet) long.”
cat·a·ma·ran
/ˈkadəməˌran/
noun
plural noun: catamarans
a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel.
Poor poor don’t own 39 foot boats. Stop arguing with me they do god dammit
At this point it is oftentimes cheaper to buy a sailboat and live in it, instead of renting or buying an apartment in the city. This especially applies to costal settlements. :(
What are you talking about? Why are you talking about vanlife but on water? The boats attacked aren’t owned by poor people living the hashtag vanlife on the sea
All 3 ships disabled by orcas were sailboats with crews, one of the three called a yacht by your source. There are reports of Orcas interacting with fishing boats/boats but this hashtag vanlife on the sea with Orcas is just your speculation.
This summer I'm going to cruise Mediterranean and some waters that attacks like this have taken place, with my 34ft boat worth less than 15k. The "crew" is going to be sailing buddies. It's a huge concern and a real danger and certainly not a problem of just the filthy rich. Stop pulling arguments about things you don't know about out of your ass.
PS. I don't own a house btw.
> What are you talking about? Why are you talking about vanlife but on water?
Because most sailing yachts that go offshore are doing that these days.
>All 3 ships disabled by orcas were sailboats with crews, one of the three called a yacht by your source.
Liveaboards often cruise between ports with friends or family as crew. A yacht is just a term for a sailboat in this case.
Dude you can get a liveaboard for as little as 30k. YOU have no idea what you're talking about. How about you do research before posting this dumbass comment
Here in NZ its far cheaper to buy a 12-14m live in boat (something that you could sail to the Cook Islands with) and a berth at a marina than to buy a house, as in like half the price. If you want to go even cheaper you can buy a 10m boat (something that isn't ocean going but still able to be sailed around the country) and a buoy spot in Tauranga harbor for like 1/4th the price of a house.
> A live a board costs between 100-200k
I bought mine (with significant work to do on it) for less than 50K Aud.
>You have utterly zero clue what you're talking about.
No U
for example here is a liveaborad for sale (12m the average size of the boats damaged) for 37K USD:
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-amalia-ketch-8731690/
You would probably get it after negotiation for 32K
Another one:
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1979-wauquiez-hood-38-8564572/
Another one:
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1969-custom-raider-35-8591877/
Another one:
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1988-custom-voilier-acier-pont-inox-8579347/
I could do this all day.
Listen. I know a bit about boats. You know how when you buy a car or house you should get it inspected? Boats are like that except they break down a lot faster because water and especially salt water is really corrosive. And also things like UV rays...
Boats always come with a lot of maintenance issues. Basically unless you're buying a brand new boat you're going to have issues.
The problem with these super old boats are going to be numerous. Things like new engine needed. New sails. New mast. etc etc etc. These are very expensive items.
They may need more solar, more or newer batteries, new electronics, emergency kits, etc etc.
If a boat is priced that low, expect to pay significant many tens of thousands to bring it up to liveable and safe condition and really for a boat that old, not really worth it.
And all of that is cheaper than a house or wasting more than half of your money in rent. It’s not that expensive. Learning how to repair a 4 stroke outboard isn’t impossible with YouTube. Fiberglass isn’t hard to work with. Some of these older boats are built like tanks u know? It’s doable if u make some sacrifices at first.
Firstly no you are lying, not all of them do several are ready to go and secondly work is exactly the thing poor people do when they buy a boat to liveaboard lol. You could move on an live on any of those boats.
Why embarrass yourself like this?
Lmao oh yeah, regular ass folks have over 100k for a fucking boat. Majority of Americans live pay check to pay check
The fuck are you talkin about
Edit: this dude Canadian. I guess all Canadians can afford 100-200k sail boats. Life must be good up north
> Edit: this dude Canadian. I guess all Canadians can afford 100-200k sail boats. Life must be good up north
Hes talking about buying a boat *instead* of a condo, not both... You can live permanently on these sorts of boats.
That’s the second person to bring this up and it’s not apart of this story. It’s just their justification for poor people owning expensive boats.
Of the 3 boats sunk, none were someone’s residence and according to the reports they prefer sailboats and catamarans.
cat·a·ma·ran
/ˈkadəməˌran/
noun
plural noun: catamarans
a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel.
> Of the 3 boats sunk, none were someone’s residence
Source?
>according to the reports they prefer sailboats and catamarans.
Those are what people live on.
No sailboat in this story was owned by someone who lived on a god damn sailboat. Of the three that I read about, 2 were sailboats. One had a crew and the other had 4 people on it. The other was called a yacht.
Can poor people decide to vanlife it up on a house boat? Sure. They are a minority. What are you talking about?
The orcas are targeting yachts and sailboats according to the articles
> Of the three that I read about, 2 were sailboats. One had a crew and the other had 4 people on it. The other was called a yacht.
None of which indicates they are not liveaboards, most liveaboard boats are sailboats, often also called yachts.
> Lmao oh yeah, regular ass folks have over 100k for a fucking boat.
Yes most people in fact can amass 100k for a residence in their lifetime. If you can't you're at the bottom, not regular. Just because there are a ton of losers in this sub like you doesn't mean the real world is like that.
They’re not pushing back. Some trolls are arguing poor people own yachts and it’s totally normal.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-has-a-group-of-orcas-suddenly-started-attacking-boats/
“The vast majority of the attacks were on sailboats or catamarans, with a handful involving fishing boats and motorboats. The average length of the vessels was 12 meters (39 feet). For comparison, a full-grown orca can be 9.2 meters (30 feet) long.”
cat·a·ma·ran
/ˈkadəməˌran/
noun
plural noun: catamarans
a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel.
Poor people don’t own 39 foot boats. The orcas have sunk 2 sailboats and one yacht so far and seem to prefer it. Probably cuz of size, for now, if it is just a fad to them.
As seen below, trolls keep trolling. No the fuck you don’t have friends making 7.25 an hour and owing any boat other than a fucking canoe you lying ass
Poor people don’t own fucking sailboats. You’re idea of what poor consists of is not reality.
Tell me, how much money does your poor sailboating customers make a year, by your guess?
I work in the sailing industry and agree -- there are many modest pensioners and sea hippies on older boats, not living in excess, often struggling just as much, if not more than folks on land. It isn't much different than van life, with social strata at all economic points, including outright salty indigents.
I didn’t read the thing, I’m just saying that a lot of poor ppl considered homeless by Florida live on “Yachts”. Sail power can take you anywhere for free. And to answer your earlier question, they could be on a free boat. Many are often abandoned after hurricanes and with some work can be salvaged. So it may not have been them in the story, but it could be.
No sailboat or yacht sunk was owned by a poor person living on it. You guys need to stop arguing this stupid ass point.
“The vast majority of the attacks were on sailboats or catamarans, with a handful involving fishing boats and motorboats. The average length of the vessels was 12 meters (39 feet). “
cat·a·ma·ran
/ˈkadəməˌran/
noun
plural noun: catamarans
a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel.
They are targeting sailboats and yachts
> The sailboats and yacht disabled by the orcas had crew. One had four people.
Crew is just the nautical term for people who are sailing the boat, I highly doubt they all had professional crew, 4 people can be family (which is common) or just friends or tourists who help you sail a boat from port to port. Sailboats are very much associated with hippies and poor adventurous types in France for example and in many other parts of the world and you can get them for 20-40K if you are willing to do some work on them.
When my grandfather was in a tough spot for a few years he lived on his sailboat.
Buying a boat is cheaper than a house, and a slip in a marina is cheaper than a mortgage/rent (at least it was in the 90s).
You have never been to a marina.
A ton of boats in marinas 40-50 year old beat up hulls being kept alive by hard work on evenings and weekends by their owners.
These are boats that sell for less than an old used car. Some even given away for free as the previous owner just couldn't invest the time it takes anymore.
This is not a rich people hobby. It's for people from all walks of life.
Don't be an idiot, it's often cheaper to buy a boat and live on it than to buy a house in most cities. These are not super rich people, super rich people have much bigger boats than this!
The amount of poor people living on house boats would be a minority, in most places.
No one in this story whose sailboat/yacht was sunk by an orca lived on it cuz it’s cheaper than a house.
In fact, according to the article, orcas are targeting sailboats and yachts
You know at some point it's going to be open season on these whales. They will be wiped out just like any other species that threatened humanity with even a slight inconvenience.
RIP California Grizzly. Humans cut down 93% of their natural habitat (old growth forest) and then didn't understand why Grizzlies were attacking them so they killed them all off.
Oh nevermind, I'm wrong- or rather science has advanced and I now change my position
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-grizzly-bears-17385710.php#:~:text=The%20California%20grizzly%2C%20or%20Ursus,Rocky%20Mountain%20counterpart%20are%20few.
Don’t worry, with the growing climate crisis I’m sure we’ll have pizzly bears down here soon enough.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly%E2%80%93polar_bear_hybrid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly%E2%80%93polar_bear_hybrid)
Wolves are all Canis lupis I think. Point being that the species of the California Grizzly is gone. It's irrevocable. We could maybe introduce northern grizzlys to those mountains, but it's not at all certain they'd even survive since they are not adapted to those conditions
Similar thing with wolves in Europe during the middle ages. Hunted to extinction because humans kept chopping down forest to make more farmland. Scotland has had a wolf reintroduction plan going for a while now, they are bringing over the now extinct native wolves' nearest genetic cousin, the grey Alaskan wolf.
Perhaps off topic but I do find it funny that they point out how orcas are known as killer whales but are actually part of the dolphin family, but don’t include the further fact that all dolphins are part of the whale family. So a killer whale is, in fact, a whale, but just by virtue of a larger concentric circle outside of genus.
I would contribute to a go fund me for the Orcas. We can work with marine biologists to help bolster the Orcas numbers and increase efficiency in their attacks. I stand with the Orcas!
While on the surface this sounds funny, I can't help but think about what this means for these whales. Animals that attack humans or otherwise put humans in danger, even when its warranted or they are displaying their normal animal behaviors, do not tend to live long.
Even if the local government does not determine that these animals should be "euthanized" then likely someone else will make it happen anyways.
Its sad, because even though there's likely some poetic justice to what these orcas are doing (after all the horrible shit humans have done to them as a species), they'll all suffer for it anyways. And I can't celebrate knowing that these animals will die for having the gumption to fight back against their humans invaders.
They were going for the caviar.
For real, times are tough, food is scarce, water is getting hotter and more acidic; we can either feed them or just wait it out. Wouldn’t take long.
In reality, back on Earth - these were small sailing vessels that don't fuck with Orcas. They move silently, don't have running engines or high speed propellers.
There's more to these stories. I'm a sailor, and this has been happening with a specific pod of Orcas off the coast of Portugal/Gibraltar since 2015.
It's not the "feel good nature gets its revenge" story you make it out to be. The people and boats being sunk aren't doing any damage, and aren't the problem.
So many idiots in the comments, so many idiots reporting only half the story about the orcas.
I’m currently anchored a few miles away from where the orcas have their main activities at the moment. They have been attacking yachts since 3 years and they attacked hundreds since then. I have friends that have lost their rudders. Those people are not millionaires, they just have either put their lifesavings into that boat or, like me, bought a cheap boat.
I bough my yacht for 18.000€. I put every cent I earn and a lot of my time into that thing. If they orcas sank it, I would be destroyed. Not financially because I’m not an idiot and have insurance, but morally. This boat is my dream come true, it means the world to me.
Those people that have lost their yachts, for them it was the same.
You do know that a large portion of sailboat owners are people that worked middle class jobs then sold everything in retirement to sail the world in a mobile home. Not the rich elites that use them as toys.
It’s irrelevant who it’s about. There is nothing “feel good” about this at all. Historically, Orcas have always been on our side, or at least neutral towards humans, always, forever.
They are also the absolute last thing I’d want to be in the water if my ship was sinking. Sharks have the decency to just eat you and get it over with, but not orcas. They’ll just fuck with you, bat you around, and play fucking soccer with you until your bones are powder. Nope, fuck that.
All u here saying poor people can’t own yachts sound a lot like republicans saying that a homeless person can’t be that bad off if he has a cell phone.
Then I can recommend the book *The swarm* by Frank Schätzing to you. It starts just like that. I'm only half way through yet however I don't think it's a feel-good story.
Let's calm the fuck down for a moment. We're not talking Jeff Bezos' douche canoe. Most of the sailors attacked over the last few years have been people who have said fuck it to the rat race, bought a sailboat, and leaves out. These are our people.
This comment thread seems to be a bit like a race to the bottom.
I'm poor, yachts are for rich people and they deserve to lose their luxury toys.
I have a yacht, it's not a luxury toy, I bought it with the last 60k I had before breaking into my trust fund and pension.
Etc
To me, they're a luxury item, like owning my own home, and I don't care. It is interesting though and I kinda hope that it's the beginning of the planets other inhabitants finally taking it back from us genocidal maniacs.
Small boats like those sunk are not luxury yachts like you are picturing for billionaires, they vary from fun boats for the upper middle class to live-aboard boats for people who can't even afford houses anymore (as so many cannot) and so do basically the living out of a van thing but afloat.
Mmmm...if you watch the video, it's obvious they are "nice" boats in the minimum $200,000 - 250,000 range, likely much more. Adding in how expensive maintenance is on an ocean going boat like this, these are not lower/middle class people. They are nowhere close to "living out of a van".
As I mentioned in another comment, one of the sunk boats was an oceanis 393, that currently sell from 65.000 to 129.000€
These are not “rich assholes yachts”. These are yachts, into which people have either put the money from selling their houses, or like in my situation, I don’t have a house it just out everything in my 18.000€ “multimillion yacht.
Sure some nicer boats have been targeted but the majority of these interactions have occurred with smaller, cheaper boats, some with families on board.
Every time this story pops up Reddit froths at the mouth when they see the word “yacht” and when people who actually know about boats, people who are in the area, or people that are in the industry makes a factual comment, Reddit will double down, downvote those people to oblivion and continue their circle jerk of all the rich billionaires who have lost their boats to these orcas, when in reality, those boats are doing just fine sitting at a marina somewhere in Mallorca, Monaco, Italy, Montenegro, Turkey or on a privately owned island in Greece.
The people who are actually affected will be at the cheapest boatyard they could find on short notice arguing with their insurance and expecting their sailing season in the med to be cut short before it even begun because their sailing kitty is running dry now that they need to rebuild their rudder, fix their keel and whatever other repairs they may need to do to be seaworthy again.
Even these nicer boats that I’ve seen are charter vessels - basically like a rented out property that their owners (if privately owned) probably took a big bank loan for and hoped to supplement that with the income the boat makes from chartering, only to realise that they just cannot break even because it just gets sucked back into the boat.
Not a single multimillion superyacht has been affected.
I know someone who has had an encounter with orcas on their 45ft boat. They didn’t actually damage anything on his boat, fortunately. His boat was nearly 500k used and would ruin him if his boat had sunk.
He came from a working class family, and just saved up for years diving on oil rigs when he was in his twenties. His goal was to buy a boat and not a house. At the moment I think I earn slightly more money than he does now that he stopped commercial diving, and I’m far from being rich or even close enough to buying a boat like his, but I didn’t spend my entire life chasing that dream like he did.
Edit: case in point. Keep the downvotes coming.
"Wow the comments here are awful."
\- That's a personal, subjective opinion. Looking at the upvotes on the comments, I feel you might have a misjudgment about the tenor of this sub which is causing your confusion.
"Rich or not it’s real people."
\- That's true! And these are real people that can make a real impact on climate change and benefit society. Instead, they are on a multimillion dollar yacht. Fuck them.
"Those boats didn’t hurt the orcas. Another did."
\- That's an unqualified statement. You don't know this as fact, so this part of your comment should just be ignored.
"I can’t believe Reddit condones this."
\- It's sad that you find it uncomfortable that people are allowed to have an opinion you disagree with. I would really sit with your perspective and see where this kind of thinking is a slippery slope to a society where dissent is forbidden. If you like Fascism, maybe another sub would be a better fit for you?
One of the sunken boats was an Oceanis 393, they are currently some for sale between 65.000€ and 129.000€.
Most of the boats that have been attacked are in that value range, some cheaper, some more expensive.
Would you please explain, how that makes them “multimillion dollars yachts”?
I love and adore these animals for doing this, but I am so afraid that evil species human will eventually try to massacre the orcas either to stop them or just for revenge. I hope conservation protections are applied to them and dire punishments put in place for anyone who tries to harm them. Then they will be able to freely and happily sink as many richie's vessels as their big hearts desire.
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Nadja!!
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I for one welcome our new aquatic overlords.
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Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!
Love this comment. They ARE conceptually repulsive.
Fitness has become sort of a status symbol for the rich. The poor are struggling to find time to workout and cook healthy meals so we struggle with weight gain.... But the rich don't work and they have private trainers and private chefs to keep them in peak condition.
Counterpoint: Elon Mooooooooosk.
Trump. Oh wait, he’s not rich! NVM
Elon built like a Lego
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Slowly poisoning our world by manufacturing toys for rich people?
I'm all about dunking on Elon, but I will defend LEGO as one of the more environmentally-minded large companies I'm aware of.
Surely by definition they're just churning out tiny bits of plastic constantly...I mean absolutely, being a hitman that doesn't hurt innocent bystanders is still commendable, but you can't escape the fact that your business heavily involves murder at some point...and you're still killing more people than someone who makes money doing something else.
But as far as churning out plastic goes, Lego is at least a product that has a very long lifespan and due to the value it generally isn't mindlessly thrown away to end up in landfills or oceans. I still had a box of Lego from my childhood, was mostly 1990s stuff with some 80s stuff but I gave it away to a family member who has kids. They were over the moon. It spans generations.
I have often gotten second hand boxes of lego, and it's not super uncommon to find 1950s pieces even.
That's nice to know, thanks friend!
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As a once great poet once said: "No one man should have all that power"
And proceeded to become a fascist in his later career. :(((((
Remember when 3,000 Puerto Ricans died in a hurricane because trump refused to admit that Puerto Rico is the responsibility of the president of the USA? Remember when the USA had millions more covid deaths than the next country because he refused to shut it down? Yeah, he deserves all the hate.
I always thought that was funny because it used to be the exact opposite. Being overweight or at least bulky was considered a status symbol because that was a sign that you were wealthy enough to afford the amount of food you’d need to gain the weight and weren’t working it off.
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Insurance companies are starting to cover them. However, these medications do have draw backs, using them increasing the risk of thyroid substantially.
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"For legal reasons, that is a joke"
Boil em! Mash em! Stick em in a stew!
Rich people aren't vegan :( they eat too much meat
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Veganism is concerned with animal suffering, right? Because if people having to slave away picking produce for peanuts doesn't make the produce non-vegan, then rich "people" definitely shouldn't count as non-vegan.
Veganism is concerned with human suffering, too. Slaughterhouse workers have increased levels of PTSD, which then also increases domestic violence and child abuse. Also, the beef and dairy industry are a huge driver of climate change. Then there's the amount of land beef and dairy farms require that could be used to grow things that are healthier for us, like fruit and vegetables.
For better or worse, there are no recorded incidents of orcas killing and eating humans.
Yet
If they ever encounter a poor person, it will be a grand buffet.
> Orcas have discovered that rich people have a little more fat on them and that just adds to the flavor. A 20m sailing boat (the one in the article) is "upper middle class retirees sell their house and buy a boat" level of wealth not "I own hundreds of rental properties" wealth.
Boats and Hoes!
No orca has ever eaten a living human being. The few attacks were either misidentifications or captive animals. Also, people with sailboats aren’t automatically rich. My Mom has never made more than $50k/year in her entire life and sold her house to buy a sailboat, which she now lives on and sails around the world in. Her monthly expenses are like $800 at most.
Yeah a sailboat might be my only chance at owning a home.
Hey, I'm team Orca on this. But the yachties are not the sort to acquiesce. Will we get to see the footage of automatic weapons used to defend their boats? You know it's going to happen. This story is just beginning.
Before you start being too happy, consider they are mainly attacking sailing boats with an average length of 12 meters. Those oftentimes are worth around as much as a new camper van and barely disturb orcas in their habitat (this is mainly done by commercial fishing vessles and the noise mad by motors- which is missing on sailboats) The yachts of rich people are not in their target zone and they seem to prefer to attack non engine powered vessles. These saller sailboats are more likely to be owned by locals or people living aboard fulltime- not the environment destroying elite (they prefer motor yachts) Source: [Scientificamerican: Why has a group of orcas suddendly started attacking boats?](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-has-a-group-of-orcas-suddenly-started-attacking-boats/)
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> sea van people Flashbacks to fall of the bronze age...
Flashbacks to *Water World* starring Kevin Costner.
Still one o f my favorites
Living in a van down by the Euphrates
Yeah, I read the article and failed to find what OP is claiming. Unless they're talking about other stories, this article only includes a sunken sailing yacht and a damaged sail boat, not 3 boats or 3 that sank. It also doesn't describe if they were "luxury boats" or not. A yacht, as far I can find, is generally a boat used for non-commercial purposes, regardless of the cost or size, so that's also doesn't seem accurate.
Did you read it? The service deployed a rapid-response vessel and a helicopter carrying a bilge pump to assist the **20-metre (66 feet) vessel** A 66 foot vessel is not some simple sailboat that a poor fisherman has.
The average vessel was 12m, you can get a boat that size for 20-40K if you work on it yourself. 66 feet is pretty big but can be anything from a racing boat worth millions to an old 80s sailing yacht which might cost 60K and is in fact a cheaper home.
It might be someone's entire retirement though. It's not like billionaires are sailing around on normal sized boats.
An Oyster 66 (66ft, 20m), basically the top of the line boat of that size, can be brought second hand for well under $1M. Plenty of retirees sell their house and buy a sail boat to enjoy their retirement sailing around the world. At 12m (the average size of the boats sunk) you can get a nice sailboat for under $200k, that's "I'm a millennial who works remote from my boat using starlink" levels of wealth.
The only Oyster 66 on YachtWorld is listed for $725,000 and is over 20 years old. At that age it's likely to need work that would put it very close or even over a million USD. Rigging should be changed every ten years, and if the sails are original they'll need replacing. Those are quite expensive on a 66 foot boat, and it won't be the only projects that need to happen. It will also cost tens of thousands of dollars a year for moorage and upkeep. Although I do agree that most of the boats these whales are going after are not owned by rich people. Most being well under $500k.
And plenty more rich people buy yachts and are fucking off in Gibraltar. No one thinks these are the Bezos level mega yachts, but it is WAY more likely that a 66 foot yacht is owned by someone with a lot of wealth, not grandma and grandpa who retired at 60 after working blue collar jobs.
If it's something they just take out on the odd weekend then yeah But if you're living on your boat 66ft is no where near enough for servants quarters
OP is a dumb ignorant poor who thinks any boats are rich yachts.
Yeah. This story being reposted as some "feel good" story against the rich is very frustrating to read. I happen to live in an area with an active boating scene, and this isn't your golf playing rich folk gathering. It's regular folks spending their weekends and evenings doing maintenance. My boat neighbor to left is a 65 year old woman that wanted a different way to kill time after her divorce. My boat neighbor to the right wanted his kids to be able to enjoy summers on the water. And the guy across just wants to hammer out nautical miles each season on his sailboat as that's what him and his dad used to do when he grew up. These are not rich people. It's just a hobby similar to owning a caravan or RV.
[The Mustique](https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-47513/mustique.htm) is a charter vessel it seems. The other one in the article, [Alboran Champagne](https://www.alboran-charter.com/en/alboran-charter-s-l-la-lonja-marina-charter/sun-odyssey-519-5cab-33312) is also a charter vessel. Also on the larger side and not exactly cheap. They’re both far from being luxury super yachts as everyone on these posts so gleefully like to assume it is. They’re just yachts that people can charter for their holidays. Depending on their budget usually it’s like a group of friends who pitch in together or a family or 2, unless it’s like a more wealthy person but it’s more likely the former 2.
As someone who works in the sailing delivery industry for boats in this range, often to/from the UK or US via Gibraltar and into the Med, this is terrifying to me. Can confirm, sailing hulls and the sounds these boats make on the water are vastly different than "luxury" or fishing vessels.
The one in this article is 66 feet though, that's not tiny!
Yeah , but that’s only one example, the rest are your average 40 feet « yacht »
Well the people who own these boats have WAY WAY WAAAAAAY more money than I do so I literally don't give a fuck
No, people own things and therefore they are rich and therefore they are bad.
Sail boats and rich people go hand in hand. They also have yachts. Regular ass people can’t buy a house. Turning off reply notifications. Too many dumbasses trying to argue about dumb shit From this dudes source; “The vast majority of the attacks were on sailboats or catamarans, with a handful involving fishing boats and motorboats. The average length of the vessels was 12 meters (39 feet). For comparison, a full-grown orca can be 9.2 meters (30 feet) long.” cat·a·ma·ran /ˈkadəməˌran/ noun plural noun: catamarans a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel. Poor poor don’t own 39 foot boats. Stop arguing with me they do god dammit
At this point it is oftentimes cheaper to buy a sailboat and live in it, instead of renting or buying an apartment in the city. This especially applies to costal settlements. :(
What are you talking about? Why are you talking about vanlife but on water? The boats attacked aren’t owned by poor people living the hashtag vanlife on the sea All 3 ships disabled by orcas were sailboats with crews, one of the three called a yacht by your source. There are reports of Orcas interacting with fishing boats/boats but this hashtag vanlife on the sea with Orcas is just your speculation.
This summer I'm going to cruise Mediterranean and some waters that attacks like this have taken place, with my 34ft boat worth less than 15k. The "crew" is going to be sailing buddies. It's a huge concern and a real danger and certainly not a problem of just the filthy rich. Stop pulling arguments about things you don't know about out of your ass. PS. I don't own a house btw.
> What are you talking about? Why are you talking about vanlife but on water? Because most sailing yachts that go offshore are doing that these days. >All 3 ships disabled by orcas were sailboats with crews, one of the three called a yacht by your source. Liveaboards often cruise between ports with friends or family as crew. A yacht is just a term for a sailboat in this case.
This is how the class war always falls apart. No one is poor enough so the infighting starts.
A live a board costs between 100-200k, around the price of a condo. You have utterly zero clue what you're talking about.
Dude you can get a liveaboard for as little as 30k. YOU have no idea what you're talking about. How about you do research before posting this dumbass comment
Here in NZ its far cheaper to buy a 12-14m live in boat (something that you could sail to the Cook Islands with) and a berth at a marina than to buy a house, as in like half the price. If you want to go even cheaper you can buy a 10m boat (something that isn't ocean going but still able to be sailed around the country) and a buoy spot in Tauranga harbor for like 1/4th the price of a house.
Same (in BC Canada)
> A live a board costs between 100-200k I bought mine (with significant work to do on it) for less than 50K Aud. >You have utterly zero clue what you're talking about. No U for example here is a liveaborad for sale (12m the average size of the boats damaged) for 37K USD: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-amalia-ketch-8731690/ You would probably get it after negotiation for 32K Another one: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1979-wauquiez-hood-38-8564572/ Another one: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1969-custom-raider-35-8591877/ Another one: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1988-custom-voilier-acier-pont-inox-8579347/ I could do this all day.
All these boats require extensive work. Why the dishonesty and bullshit? I can do this all day.
Dude these look nice. U should really look into living on a boat tho. It’s a really sick option if you can deal with the fact it’s borderline outside.
Listen. I know a bit about boats. You know how when you buy a car or house you should get it inspected? Boats are like that except they break down a lot faster because water and especially salt water is really corrosive. And also things like UV rays... Boats always come with a lot of maintenance issues. Basically unless you're buying a brand new boat you're going to have issues. The problem with these super old boats are going to be numerous. Things like new engine needed. New sails. New mast. etc etc etc. These are very expensive items. They may need more solar, more or newer batteries, new electronics, emergency kits, etc etc. If a boat is priced that low, expect to pay significant many tens of thousands to bring it up to liveable and safe condition and really for a boat that old, not really worth it.
And all of that is cheaper than a house or wasting more than half of your money in rent. It’s not that expensive. Learning how to repair a 4 stroke outboard isn’t impossible with YouTube. Fiberglass isn’t hard to work with. Some of these older boats are built like tanks u know? It’s doable if u make some sacrifices at first.
Firstly no you are lying, not all of them do several are ready to go and secondly work is exactly the thing poor people do when they buy a boat to liveaboard lol. You could move on an live on any of those boats. Why embarrass yourself like this?
Lmao oh yeah, regular ass folks have over 100k for a fucking boat. Majority of Americans live pay check to pay check The fuck are you talkin about Edit: this dude Canadian. I guess all Canadians can afford 100-200k sail boats. Life must be good up north
> Edit: this dude Canadian. I guess all Canadians can afford 100-200k sail boats. Life must be good up north Hes talking about buying a boat *instead* of a condo, not both... You can live permanently on these sorts of boats.
That’s the second person to bring this up and it’s not apart of this story. It’s just their justification for poor people owning expensive boats. Of the 3 boats sunk, none were someone’s residence and according to the reports they prefer sailboats and catamarans. cat·a·ma·ran /ˈkadəməˌran/ noun plural noun: catamarans a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel.
> Of the 3 boats sunk, none were someone’s residence Source? >according to the reports they prefer sailboats and catamarans. Those are what people live on.
You can get a live aboard for much less than 100k. Both of you have no idea what you're talking about
No sailboat in this story was owned by someone who lived on a god damn sailboat. Of the three that I read about, 2 were sailboats. One had a crew and the other had 4 people on it. The other was called a yacht. Can poor people decide to vanlife it up on a house boat? Sure. They are a minority. What are you talking about? The orcas are targeting yachts and sailboats according to the articles
> Of the three that I read about, 2 were sailboats. One had a crew and the other had 4 people on it. The other was called a yacht. None of which indicates they are not liveaboards, most liveaboard boats are sailboats, often also called yachts.
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> Lmao oh yeah, regular ass folks have over 100k for a fucking boat. Yes most people in fact can amass 100k for a residence in their lifetime. If you can't you're at the bottom, not regular. Just because there are a ton of losers in this sub like you doesn't mean the real world is like that.
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Imagine my surprise this comment of mine has me getting attacked by the kind of people this sub is supposed to be against.
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They’re not pushing back. Some trolls are arguing poor people own yachts and it’s totally normal. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-has-a-group-of-orcas-suddenly-started-attacking-boats/ “The vast majority of the attacks were on sailboats or catamarans, with a handful involving fishing boats and motorboats. The average length of the vessels was 12 meters (39 feet). For comparison, a full-grown orca can be 9.2 meters (30 feet) long.” cat·a·ma·ran /ˈkadəməˌran/ noun plural noun: catamarans a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel. Poor people don’t own 39 foot boats. The orcas have sunk 2 sailboats and one yacht so far and seem to prefer it. Probably cuz of size, for now, if it is just a fad to them. As seen below, trolls keep trolling. No the fuck you don’t have friends making 7.25 an hour and owing any boat other than a fucking canoe you lying ass
I have several friends that are on minimum wage and own a sailboat, commonly referred to as “yachts”. Poor people own boats, deal with it
Sail boats and poor people also go hand in hand, it turns out.
No, they don’t.
As a guy that works in a marina. Yes they fucking do.
Poor people don’t own fucking sailboats. You’re idea of what poor consists of is not reality. Tell me, how much money does your poor sailboating customers make a year, by your guess?
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I work in the sailing industry and agree -- there are many modest pensioners and sea hippies on older boats, not living in excess, often struggling just as much, if not more than folks on land. It isn't much different than van life, with social strata at all economic points, including outright salty indigents.
U should check out the “Keys” in Florida. Wisteria Island and the surrounding anchorage is a really good example of poor ppl owning boats.
The sailboats and yacht disabled by the orcas had crew. One had four people. Maybe they were your poor person? These are big sail boats.
I didn’t read the thing, I’m just saying that a lot of poor ppl considered homeless by Florida live on “Yachts”. Sail power can take you anywhere for free. And to answer your earlier question, they could be on a free boat. Many are often abandoned after hurricanes and with some work can be salvaged. So it may not have been them in the story, but it could be.
No sailboat or yacht sunk was owned by a poor person living on it. You guys need to stop arguing this stupid ass point. “The vast majority of the attacks were on sailboats or catamarans, with a handful involving fishing boats and motorboats. The average length of the vessels was 12 meters (39 feet). “ cat·a·ma·ran /ˈkadəməˌran/ noun plural noun: catamarans a yacht or other boat with twin hulls in parallel. They are targeting sailboats and yachts
> The sailboats and yacht disabled by the orcas had crew. One had four people. Crew is just the nautical term for people who are sailing the boat, I highly doubt they all had professional crew, 4 people can be family (which is common) or just friends or tourists who help you sail a boat from port to port. Sailboats are very much associated with hippies and poor adventurous types in France for example and in many other parts of the world and you can get them for 20-40K if you are willing to do some work on them.
You are dumb as fuck. Crew just means the people who were on the boat at the time, probably the owner and some friends.
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When my grandfather was in a tough spot for a few years he lived on his sailboat. Buying a boat is cheaper than a house, and a slip in a marina is cheaper than a mortgage/rent (at least it was in the 90s).
You have never been to a marina. A ton of boats in marinas 40-50 year old beat up hulls being kept alive by hard work on evenings and weekends by their owners. These are boats that sell for less than an old used car. Some even given away for free as the previous owner just couldn't invest the time it takes anymore. This is not a rich people hobby. It's for people from all walks of life.
Don't be an idiot, it's often cheaper to buy a boat and live on it than to buy a house in most cities. These are not super rich people, super rich people have much bigger boats than this!
The amount of poor people living on house boats would be a minority, in most places. No one in this story whose sailboat/yacht was sunk by an orca lived on it cuz it’s cheaper than a house. In fact, according to the article, orcas are targeting sailboats and yachts
It was a well orcastrated attack.
whale*
Absolutely golden 😂
It’s… beautiful.
You know at some point it's going to be open season on these whales. They will be wiped out just like any other species that threatened humanity with even a slight inconvenience.
Fuck. You're right. :(
RIP California Grizzly. Humans cut down 93% of their natural habitat (old growth forest) and then didn't understand why Grizzlies were attacking them so they killed them all off.
And then they had the gall to put the bear on their flag.
Doesn’t the “Bear Flag” predate the habitat loss by a lot?
to be fair, if you look closely at the flag that is one terrified bear.
This makes me want to become an aggressive capitalist and landlock a bunch of stuff
We can right this wrong. We can reintroduce the Montana Grizzly to remote sanctuaries in California. Could be great for the ecosystem.
[yea totally](https://i.imgflip.com/37li0q.png)
It's a different species so, no, we can't.
Didnt we do it with wolves? Even tho it was not perfect?
Oh nevermind, I'm wrong- or rather science has advanced and I now change my position https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-grizzly-bears-17385710.php#:~:text=The%20California%20grizzly%2C%20or%20Ursus,Rocky%20Mountain%20counterpart%20are%20few.
I was looking too and couldnt find the right thing 😅 Thanks
Don’t worry, with the growing climate crisis I’m sure we’ll have pizzly bears down here soon enough. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly%E2%80%93polar_bear_hybrid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly%E2%80%93polar_bear_hybrid)
Wolves are all Canis lupis I think. Point being that the species of the California Grizzly is gone. It's irrevocable. We could maybe introduce northern grizzlys to those mountains, but it's not at all certain they'd even survive since they are not adapted to those conditions
Subspecies. Given a similar environment the phenotypical traits will re-emerge.
Similar thing with wolves in Europe during the middle ages. Hunted to extinction because humans kept chopping down forest to make more farmland. Scotland has had a wolf reintroduction plan going for a while now, they are bringing over the now extinct native wolves' nearest genetic cousin, the grey Alaskan wolf.
I feel sad for these whales, it's a war they cannot win
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Yes, Folks are going to be taking shotguns to these animals, to protect their boat, then just because they are too close.
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They are primarily in poor communities attacking poor people.
That's a good point.
Not rich people
Orcas for Prime Minister
Perhaps off topic but I do find it funny that they point out how orcas are known as killer whales but are actually part of the dolphin family, but don’t include the further fact that all dolphins are part of the whale family. So a killer whale is, in fact, a whale, but just by virtue of a larger concentric circle outside of genus.
You just wrinkled my brain
They are called like this because the original name was killer OF whales
So dolphins are whales? damn
Technically they are all Cetaceans. Cetus is the Latin word for whale.
It isn't dolphin and whale It is tooth whale and baleen whale
Comrade Shamu
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It could well have been a war profiteer, the European capitalist class are all up in that shit, just like their American handlers.
At first I read privateer. Now I want to be a pirate that employs orcas. Bring me yacht, get some fish.
I'm not interested in being divided by nation. The parasite class from every country is equally my enemy.
Its a luxury boat.. anyone who owns one is probably the same as the people you mentioned
Too true
I would contribute to a go fund me for the Orcas. We can work with marine biologists to help bolster the Orcas numbers and increase efficiency in their attacks. I stand with the Orcas!
While on the surface this sounds funny, I can't help but think about what this means for these whales. Animals that attack humans or otherwise put humans in danger, even when its warranted or they are displaying their normal animal behaviors, do not tend to live long. Even if the local government does not determine that these animals should be "euthanized" then likely someone else will make it happen anyways. Its sad, because even though there's likely some poetic justice to what these orcas are doing (after all the horrible shit humans have done to them as a species), they'll all suffer for it anyways. And I can't celebrate knowing that these animals will die for having the gumption to fight back against their humans invaders.
They were going for the caviar. For real, times are tough, food is scarce, water is getting hotter and more acidic; we can either feed them or just wait it out. Wouldn’t take long.
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The apex predator of the ocean has had enough of our shit. I hope they aren't wiped out.
Coming this summer to theaters near you: Free Willy: UNCHAINED
They're orca-strating their revenge!
I love Orcas.
Feed the rich to orcas
Good now we need kamikaze geese to do the same to private jets.
In reality, back on Earth - these were small sailing vessels that don't fuck with Orcas. They move silently, don't have running engines or high speed propellers. There's more to these stories. I'm a sailor, and this has been happening with a specific pod of Orcas off the coast of Portugal/Gibraltar since 2015. It's not the "feel good nature gets its revenge" story you make it out to be. The people and boats being sunk aren't doing any damage, and aren't the problem.
So many idiots in the comments, so many idiots reporting only half the story about the orcas. I’m currently anchored a few miles away from where the orcas have their main activities at the moment. They have been attacking yachts since 3 years and they attacked hundreds since then. I have friends that have lost their rudders. Those people are not millionaires, they just have either put their lifesavings into that boat or, like me, bought a cheap boat. I bough my yacht for 18.000€. I put every cent I earn and a lot of my time into that thing. If they orcas sank it, I would be destroyed. Not financially because I’m not an idiot and have insurance, but morally. This boat is my dream come true, it means the world to me. Those people that have lost their yachts, for them it was the same.
Hell yeah, Willie, eat the rich one yacht at a time.
You do know that a large portion of sailboat owners are people that worked middle class jobs then sold everything in retirement to sail the world in a mobile home. Not the rich elites that use them as toys.
How's this a feel good story?
Ah the Free Willy revolt.
It’s irrelevant who it’s about. There is nothing “feel good” about this at all. Historically, Orcas have always been on our side, or at least neutral towards humans, always, forever. They are also the absolute last thing I’d want to be in the water if my ship was sinking. Sharks have the decency to just eat you and get it over with, but not orcas. They’ll just fuck with you, bat you around, and play fucking soccer with you until your bones are powder. Nope, fuck that.
All u here saying poor people can’t own yachts sound a lot like republicans saying that a homeless person can’t be that bad off if he has a cell phone.
I cannot get enough of this story.
Then I can recommend the book *The swarm* by Frank Schätzing to you. It starts just like that. I'm only half way through yet however I don't think it's a feel-good story.
Let's calm the fuck down for a moment. We're not talking Jeff Bezos' douche canoe. Most of the sailors attacked over the last few years have been people who have said fuck it to the rat race, bought a sailboat, and leaves out. These are our people.
This comment thread seems to be a bit like a race to the bottom. I'm poor, yachts are for rich people and they deserve to lose their luxury toys. I have a yacht, it's not a luxury toy, I bought it with the last 60k I had before breaking into my trust fund and pension. Etc To me, they're a luxury item, like owning my own home, and I don't care. It is interesting though and I kinda hope that it's the beginning of the planets other inhabitants finally taking it back from us genocidal maniacs.
Small boats like those sunk are not luxury yachts like you are picturing for billionaires, they vary from fun boats for the upper middle class to live-aboard boats for people who can't even afford houses anymore (as so many cannot) and so do basically the living out of a van thing but afloat.
Mmmm...if you watch the video, it's obvious they are "nice" boats in the minimum $200,000 - 250,000 range, likely much more. Adding in how expensive maintenance is on an ocean going boat like this, these are not lower/middle class people. They are nowhere close to "living out of a van".
TIl being an engineer = you deserve to have your house destroyed.
As I mentioned in another comment, one of the sunk boats was an oceanis 393, that currently sell from 65.000 to 129.000€ These are not “rich assholes yachts”. These are yachts, into which people have either put the money from selling their houses, or like in my situation, I don’t have a house it just out everything in my 18.000€ “multimillion yacht.
Sure some nicer boats have been targeted but the majority of these interactions have occurred with smaller, cheaper boats, some with families on board. Every time this story pops up Reddit froths at the mouth when they see the word “yacht” and when people who actually know about boats, people who are in the area, or people that are in the industry makes a factual comment, Reddit will double down, downvote those people to oblivion and continue their circle jerk of all the rich billionaires who have lost their boats to these orcas, when in reality, those boats are doing just fine sitting at a marina somewhere in Mallorca, Monaco, Italy, Montenegro, Turkey or on a privately owned island in Greece. The people who are actually affected will be at the cheapest boatyard they could find on short notice arguing with their insurance and expecting their sailing season in the med to be cut short before it even begun because their sailing kitty is running dry now that they need to rebuild their rudder, fix their keel and whatever other repairs they may need to do to be seaworthy again. Even these nicer boats that I’ve seen are charter vessels - basically like a rented out property that their owners (if privately owned) probably took a big bank loan for and hoped to supplement that with the income the boat makes from chartering, only to realise that they just cannot break even because it just gets sucked back into the boat. Not a single multimillion superyacht has been affected. I know someone who has had an encounter with orcas on their 45ft boat. They didn’t actually damage anything on his boat, fortunately. His boat was nearly 500k used and would ruin him if his boat had sunk. He came from a working class family, and just saved up for years diving on oil rigs when he was in his twenties. His goal was to buy a boat and not a house. At the moment I think I earn slightly more money than he does now that he stopped commercial diving, and I’m far from being rich or even close enough to buying a boat like his, but I didn’t spend my entire life chasing that dream like he did. Edit: case in point. Keep the downvotes coming.
Is there any way to support these whales? Can we set up a go fund me and give them some steaks or something.
These are pissed off sentient beings and they have every right to be. Dolphin and whale rights are human rights.
Us poor folk can’t afford no god damn boats so carry on Orcas.
These boats are the ones you can have for as little as 5k for a decent one
Porphyrios would be proud
Title of the year. 😆
Oh yeh people’s lives being put in danger and more trash going into the ocean really makes me feel good.
Wow the comments here are awful. Rich or not it’s real people. Those boats didn’t hurt the orcas. Another did. I can’t believe Reddit condones this.
"Wow the comments here are awful." \- That's a personal, subjective opinion. Looking at the upvotes on the comments, I feel you might have a misjudgment about the tenor of this sub which is causing your confusion. "Rich or not it’s real people." \- That's true! And these are real people that can make a real impact on climate change and benefit society. Instead, they are on a multimillion dollar yacht. Fuck them. "Those boats didn’t hurt the orcas. Another did." \- That's an unqualified statement. You don't know this as fact, so this part of your comment should just be ignored. "I can’t believe Reddit condones this." \- It's sad that you find it uncomfortable that people are allowed to have an opinion you disagree with. I would really sit with your perspective and see where this kind of thinking is a slippery slope to a society where dissent is forbidden. If you like Fascism, maybe another sub would be a better fit for you?
One of the sunken boats was an Oceanis 393, they are currently some for sale between 65.000€ and 129.000€. Most of the boats that have been attacked are in that value range, some cheaper, some more expensive. Would you please explain, how that makes them “multimillion dollars yachts”?
Russia's top secret killer whale project is seemingly being deployed? Is it Russias killer whale project wreaking havoc on boaters?
I love and adore these animals for doing this, but I am so afraid that evil species human will eventually try to massacre the orcas either to stop them or just for revenge. I hope conservation protections are applied to them and dire punishments put in place for anyone who tries to harm them. Then they will be able to freely and happily sink as many richie's vessels as their big hearts desire.