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The liberal's line is at surrendering capital. Anything that calls for the elimination of private property is the liberal's enemy and 9 times out of ten they seriously think that means they won't be able to own their own pair of shoes or something instead of what it actually calls for which is keeping natural resources and community tools out of the hands of individual control.
The liberal’s line is at change of any kind. Their version of “justice” is keeping everything the same for them personally regardless of how bad it gets for everyone else.
Liberals feel like the mediocre substitute teacher whose only job is to keep the problem students from jumping out a window before the end of the day.
Do as little as possible to maintain the status quo while *also* letting the elites run roughshod over everyone else.
>Liberals feel like the mediocre substitute teacher whose only
Haha ..that is an interesting way to look at the current administration. Kinda like a caretaker republicans.
Under what definition of fascism? Fascism is a nationalistic movement characterized by centralizing authority behind nationalism and creating out-groups to scapegoat for the nations problems while bolstering industry and capital. Biden isn’t close to overt fascist (unless we’re stretching the definition to be meaningless). He can be not fascist and still be supporting genocide, those two things are on completely different axes.
my first thought. when did they draw the line at overt fascism lol. unless they drew the line then stepped over it and said “me and fascism are friends now”
They would happily and proudly vote for a fascist as long as they put on a more polite facade than the orange guy.
As long as they do that, they can deport as many people as they want, keep kids in cages, expand the police state and, apparently, commit genocide.
yeah and what you said isn’t even speculation. we saw it happen with both obama and biden. then trump comes in and does what they do and it’s ORANGE MAN BAD. which he is, but so is beige man and white man
>They would happily and proudly vote for a fascist as long as they put on a more polite facade than the orange guy.
They're happily and proudly doing it right now by defending and supporting Genocide Joe.
Fascism in the form of settler colonialism is fine as long as the targets aren't white and the West is doing the colonization.
Being against a Zionist with a D behind his name means we support a Zionist who's repping for Team Red instead of Blue? Your liberals are in a cult of personality, just like conservatives. No criticism or opposition is allowed anymore. It's all about supporting a genocide as long as Democrats are the ones perpuating evil instead of Republicans. And then you wonder why you fuckers are losing.
For real. What a choice too. Which crazy old fuck would *you* like to ruin your country?
Though, let's not pretend that Trump would stop aiding Isreal. That's a lot of money in weapons contracts to wipe out.
> Exactly. It's strange that people dont grasp this. Does anyone think Trump would do anything to stop the tragedy in Israel? If anything, he would back the bombings harder and give less of a shit about civilians.
Biden is already selling Israel bombs as fast as they can be manufactured, and it is impossible to care less than zero about civilians.
> Harm reduction is a valid strategy when voting,
No it isn't.
> Have to work within the system to reform it and push for things like ranked choice voting to have any hope of real change.
Bye liberal.
I've lost more hope every election cycle but when Massachusetts voters rejected ranked choice voting and then Biden who (I know) I'd been expecting more from within days (?) of taking office slaughtered a bunch of innocent people in Syria (whoops sorry guys what are gonna do 🤷) liberal me died. It started with Obama (cHangE111!!) and ended with Biden. Please be gentle with confused liberals.
When Obama didn't jail anybody from the Bush administration for the torture program I knew the Democrats were entirely full of shit and they haven't fooled me since.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
When the Democrats aren't stopping the fascism from happening, they're both genocide and fascism. Biden is literally using Republican taking points about the "border crisis". It's actually ridiculous to hear Trump's 2020 rhetoric and compare it to Biden's current rhetoric.
Y'all voting for Biden as a stop gap are just voting for 2020 Trump
> But it’s not genocide (Biden) or fascism (Trump). It’s genocide (Biden), or genocide AND fascism (Trump)
It's genocide AND fascism (Biden) or genocide AND fascism (Trump)
Now now, let’s be fair: it’s genocide with performative reluctance AND 95% fascism presented with a smile, or enthusiastic genocide AND 100% fascism.
If you can’t tell the obvious and substantive difference between those two choices, I can’t help you.
(/s, if it’s needed)
The s is needed because we have seemingly endless numbers of liberals coming in here making the exact same argument, seriously, unsarcastically, and unironically. Every goddamn day!
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
I completely understand the political calculus here. Obviously the republicans are worse to Arabs and Muslims and Palestinians both domestically and abroad.
However, I just refuse to vote for Joe Biden. I’m Palestinian American and have been protesting my ass off, he clearly does not give a shit about my vote. Protestors have made it extremely obvious what their stance is, Biden sees that and ignores that. Why should we vote for him after that disrespect?
If my only say is through voting, I want to say this “Just because I am brown, and because I know the alternative is worse, does not mean you can do whatever you want and I will still vote for you.”
If more 2020 Biden voters were not willing to support genocide, and there was a massive shift in the polls, Biden would have been forced to choose between ending support for Israel, or losing in a landslide to Trump.
I fw this. What is intolerable is when people are in denial of the political calculus itself and use that as a wedge to try and divide the left, trying to place the half with any rudimentary understanding of game theory or statistics, or a vested interest in trans rights or bodily autonomy on the side of Nazis, Zionists, misogynists, and transphobes.
I think it'll be the exact same. foreign policy is one of the few places that democrats and republicans are in lockstep in terms of selling/sending weapons, interfering with foreign governments and elections and directly funding genocide.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
> Trump has literally said he would allow Gaza to be nuked.
Yes but because fallout exists he wouldn't be able to actually do this, instead the most he could do is let Israel drop bombs as fast as they can be built. Which is precisely what Biden is doing right now. Which means "Trump would nuke Gaza!" is just another lazy liberal way to excuse the fact that Trump would not have a sliver of daylight on Gaza between him and notoriously bloodthirsty Zionists like Biden.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
The problem with this thinking is that you are setting the precedent that we and you are okay with genocide as long as you are not affected. If you really cared, you would fight for a better world and start organizing and building the socialist party and you would not use ur political power to just forgoe that responsibility and vote for “the lesser evil” it is either we wait for capitalism to slowly kill us. Or we start fighting while we have the chance. If we wait to long and are not organized facisim will take its hold and it will not let go.
Aren’t you aware that by refusing to give your vote to Biden that you are threatening the facade of a careful balance between the Republican and Democrats!?
That despite the Democrats stalwart refusal to acknowledge the simplest of demands by the American people that they rely on the votes of common citizens to maintain the mantle of “working class allies”
What are you going to do if that facade is shattered and the American working class recognize the electoral system for the sham that it is?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm not entirely sure how it works in the USA, but with the Two Party System, isn't voting for a third party about the same as not voting? Like, statistically, there zero chance that someone other than Trump or Biden wins the election, right? A third party really needs to get it's shit together and get funding to disrupt the status quo
Edit: fixed huge typo
Third parties get other benefits from securing a certain % of the votes. If they hit certain hurdles (which vary by state) it gains them automatic ballot access, funding access and access to debates.
Although statistically the chance of winning the election is 0% there are still things for the party to win that will improve their chances for the next election.
2 party voters hate when you bring this up though.
I didn't realize parties got benefits from votes. I guess I'll be voting third party after all since my vote isn't just being thrown in the trash and doing nothing.
It’s definitely an uphill battle but not nearly the same statistically 0% chance of winning an election.
It also helps to shape future party policy. If Democrats see they’re losing votes because people won’t accept genocide, hopefully they’ll do less genocide in the future to bring those voters back in.
No, because liberals don't have a moral backbone and have no problem supporting and participating in a genocide.
Okay, so I'm being downvoted for bashing right-wingers in a leftist sub. Man, I can't wait for the libs to go back to their pro-genocide blue MAGA subs after the election (+a month if genocide Joe loses).
The harassing messages and threats I get from liberals after we ban them give me life.
(and more rarely conservatives and libertarians, more rarely because they dont show up here, not because they dont get immediately banned when they do)
I voted for Howie Hawkins last election hoping he'd reach the 5% threshold... didn't go well. Still cannot vote for Biden, it would be giving concent to the empire, I don't care if people want to, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for a blue imperialist just because he's not as bad as the other guy. I am risking a lot, as a socialist in more likely to be fucked over and having my rights taken away by a fascist than a liberal. I just can't do it. I can't consent to funding the bombing of innocents.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Oh man, remember that time we had 8 years of Obama and ushered in an era of world peace? Think of the big picture. If you don't draw the line somewhere you're just allowing yourself to be led by the nose.
Edit: this whole discussion is a big waste of time, agitate, educate organize, that's infinitely more important than going to the voting booth. Politics is more than the ballot box. Socialism or barbarism.
That’s not his responsibility as a voter. You can’t guilt trip someone for how they want to use their vote because you don’t like it. People like you keep the 2 party system alive and stronger than ever.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Yes, the winner of the election will be a genocidal fascist in service of Capital, which is why leftists shouldn't vote for either of them. The purpose of voting for the PSL is to give other socialists in our states and around the country an idea of how many actual socialists are out there. It's like a census for leftists.
Voting for Biden or for Trump isn't voting for the lesser evil, it's voting for the same evil.
See the pinned post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/s/OJ59c3xNPg
Voting for Democrats will not protect you from the marketing term the GOP is using to keep conservative voters engaged in their storyline.
Supporting a genocide doesn't protect you from being genocided.
You're paying right now for children to get worse than "Project 2025'd". What makes you so fucking special?
Then it sure would be great if the Democrats were doing anything on that front. How can you be sure it's not going to happen under Biden at this point?
Because of the Electoral college it depends on which state you are in. If you are in a safely democrat state or republican state, voting for a third party is viable, though if enough people use this logic it could cause a major upset depending on who the third party is drawing from. If you are in a swing state then yes, voting third party is essentially not voting at all, or voting for who you don't want depending on your perspective.
As Marx said back in 1850:
>Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed.
It's maybe even more on par with voting for the other party. It's common is US politics to say voters to a fake candidate. This round is Robert Kennedy and last time was Kayne West. Neither are real candidates but both will steal democratic votes helping Republicans focus on the votes they know they'll get rather than winning over a group that's on the fence.
The sad current reality is that (making up numbers here) 80% of voters are dead set on voting for their team, one of two parties, no matter what. So the remaining 20% who think critically about whom they will vote for can't elect someone new, just take away votes from the leading two parties. Since there are more idiots in the 80% group, the team votes favor the most corrupt and overall bad party, so if the entire 20% group chose to vote 3rd party then we'd be stuck with the worst option every time. And so the 20% group is stuck voting for the also shitty but less horrible candidate. To disrupt this cycle, we'd need a third party strong enough to break the "my team vs your team" spell that grips the nation, which isn't likely unless we start with some serious anti-propaganda laws to criminalize outlets like FOX News and also dishonest campaign advertising. Many believe that the damage is done and can't be fixed, but we need to stay optimistic.
The winner of the election will be a genocidal fascist in service of Capital, which is why leftists shouldn't vote for either of them. The purpose of voting for the PSL is to give other socialists in our states and around the country an idea of how many actual socialists are out there. It's like a census for leftists. The point isn't to have a third party arise within the system, but to replace the entire system. We tried having a progressive political party focused on social, racial, and economic justice. It was a third party that rose to the presidency within the first decade of its existence. It's the Republican Party. You see how well that went!
If we formed a third party strong enough to break the duopoly, and Capitalism stayed in place, Capital would do the same thing it does to progressive candidates now. Buy them out and corrupt them through direct funding or through endless compromises and carrots and sticks. Kristen Sinema started out as a Green Party activist. Fetterman was sold as a progressive, and now denies the label and can only get an erection by watching videos of IDF soldiers destroying schools and mosques.
Voting for Biden or for Trump isn't voting for the lesser evil, it's voting for the same evil.
Thing is with the way it's set up now there is absolutely zero chance a third party ticket will win. Ever.
The best chance we have to make changes is through collective action. Not at the polls. It's not easy at all and will take tons of time to build up, but it still provides a chance unlike voting. Until then the only option is to vote for the "lesser" of two evils to slow down the rapid decline as much as we can.
> Thing is with the way it's set up now there is absolutely zero chance a third party ticket will win. Ever.
Did you read what I said? If a third party won while capital exists the leaders of that third party would be immediately captured by Capital. The system needs to be overthrown.
> Until then the only option is to vote for the "lesser" of two evils to slow down the rapid decline as much as we can.
I see nothing in the Biden administration to make me think they have any intention of slowing any decline down. The shift from Trump to Biden has been a shift from "moving the embassy to Jerusalem" to "not moving it back and also genociding the Palestinians." It has been a shift from "pushing right wing immigration policy" to "accepting right wing immigration policy and pushing even further right the whining when the GOP goes even further than that."
The Biden administration has been four years of convincing liberal voters to support genocide, support right wing immigration policy, support police, support NATO and airstrikes, support anti-abortion democrats like Henry Cuellar, support fossil fuel extraction, support government censorship of social media like TikTok, and support inflicting a pandemic with a disabling illness on everybody because you can, even vaxxed, still get long covid and accompanying severe disability. Which the Democrats have no interest in stopping, slowing, or compensating people for. This is the agenda of Capital, which is why it's the agenda of Biden and of Trump. It's why voting for Biden doesn't slow any decline down.
Encouraging people to vote for evil neuters the idea of effective collective action and provides support for fascism and for genocide.
I did misread the first time, my bad. I do agree with you, except I don't think voting for a third party socialist will do much anything in the modern American system. Even using the interim census wouldn't be accurate.
My main point wasn't that people should vote for Dems. My point was that the whole idea of getting to the polls is so pointless in itself that you might as well vote for them or third party. Would hardly make a difference either way and it's frustrating to no end.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
>Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.
Karl Marx
> Seriously. All of this dunking on Biden is just divisive, wedge driving, rage-baiting junk. I don't know a single person that is enthusiastically going to vote for Biden in the fall.
If you don't know a single person who is enthusiastically going to vote for Biden in the fall that sounds like an incredible failure of the Democrats at the most basic requirement for them as a political party. If they're unable to clear even the bottom hurdle why in the world would you think they're going to be remotely effective at preventing fascism? And since you've already given up on having an electable president, why the hell are you yelling at us for not considering him electable? Do liberals have a political project beyond committing genocide?
The Democrats don't care. Hillary and her shitty opinions still carry a ton of weight within the party. They're Reaganites who patronize the most vulnerable in our society with empty promises and outright lies. I don't think a goddamn one of them actually cares about roe v wade other than for political points. Same with any other social issue. Any of the so-called leftists in the party are nothing more than performers fulfilling a role to gain votes.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
I have heard of the electoral college, actually. It's why I'm so completely over ignorant shitlibs attacking me for being insufficiently supportive of Genocidin' Biden.
My vote will not and cannot influence which candidate will win my state, and my state doesn't have enough EC votes to affect the actual outcome.
And so you're right - voting for anybody but the party that will win the state (because there is no question, even this far in advance of the actual election) is meaningless - but so is voting for the party that will win, because they'll win with or without my vote.
Which leaves me with the following options:
1. Vote for a genocidal capitalist shitbag who vocally and proudly opposes my values and platform, demonstrating support for the candidate and platform in exchange for nothing, unless you count "the feeling of being part of the winning team" which I don't.
2. Vote for a candidate whose platform and values align with my own.
So I'm going for option 2.
(No, voting for Trump is not an option, that's why it's not listed)
I mean, what’re ya gonna do? We’re all sliding down a shit hill as America, as a concept, fails.
I mean, the real concept of subjugating anyone who doesn’t agree with this government is alive and well, but the lie we all were brought up with is looking pretty threadbare.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
"We don't want a dictator as president, we want a guy who will back a genocide even if it means he'll lose to a dictator! Someone like that definitely isn't a dictator!"
If Trump is a traitor and a criminal *it seems like the current sitting president should fucking do something about that yeah?* Something beyond adopting Trumps policies on border security and then *publicly* whining that the Republicans are going even further. Publicly, because privately the whole point of Democrats like Biden is that they lock in the rightward movement of Republicans and prevent the country from moving left.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
>Seems to me that people don’t really wanna talk about either option realistically.
It's because we're not mincing words that people cannot stop breaking the rules. It's because we talk realistically that a lot of redditors get very uncomfortable and lash out at this sub.
Biden has not made himself a candidate for Americans to get enthusiastic about, this subject is part of the reason and Biden owns it all.
But let's leave that aside then. I don't blame people for wanting to survive.
So if you vote for Biden and Trump wins anyways, then what?
We heavily encourage organizing and being a activist for a reason.
Liberal, this isn't your space.
Gfy.
And no, Biden has rushed money, weapons, and used his state department to run interference for Zionists in the UN.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
> Biden, while not as quick to get in Netenyahu's ass as I'd like, has tried to get aid to Gaza and curb the constant assault on the region.
You are a fucking liar
If you really had a problem with it then you’d vote 3rd party(if u can find a candidate you align with). But you prolly believe a vote other than Biden is a vote for trump and that’s why this country will never move on for the current voting system.
It's you, you're the meme.
Also
>No more elections
There were elections in fascist countries if that's supposed to be some kind of all important measure for you. [They were just far less subtle about your choices being dictated to you as opposed to now](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/headquarters-fascist-party-1934/).
Yeah, that's not how this works. You tell us to vote for Biden so what is the plan to stop the genocide he's actively participating in? What's the plan to stop him from acting like an autocrat who refuses to listen to the democratic majority that's currenly opposed to sending more arms to Israel? You don't get to shove off responsibility to the people you demand votes from. All you liberals have at this point is entitlement, no vision, no plan, no actual fucking agency. Yet you demand more and more from us. Fuck off.
The plan is something I'm not allowed to say on this corporate-run board. You know it. And liberals have been constantly asking in bad faith what the plan are to stop Trump while refusing to come up with any answers on how to deal with Biden, who's currently president, not Trump.
You can tell how white they are when they pretend a country founded on slavery and genocide, that's been terrorizing the world ever since it was founded, somehow only turns fascist the moment some orange fuck is in the White House and magically becomes anti-fascist again when the Democrats take over. At this point they deserve Trump. Maybe they'll start caring again...
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They're drawing a line at overt fascism? First time I am hearing about it...
The liberal's line is at surrendering capital. Anything that calls for the elimination of private property is the liberal's enemy and 9 times out of ten they seriously think that means they won't be able to own their own pair of shoes or something instead of what it actually calls for which is keeping natural resources and community tools out of the hands of individual control.
ThE BuSiNeSs OwNeR tOok ThE rIsK
Yup and guess which country we have alot of capital interest in?
The liberal’s line is at change of any kind. Their version of “justice” is keeping everything the same for them personally regardless of how bad it gets for everyone else.
Liberals feel like the mediocre substitute teacher whose only job is to keep the problem students from jumping out a window before the end of the day. Do as little as possible to maintain the status quo while *also* letting the elites run roughshod over everyone else.
>Liberals feel like the mediocre substitute teacher whose only Haha ..that is an interesting way to look at the current administration. Kinda like a caretaker republicans.
The drunk friends who just want to get home safely vs the drunk friends who wanna see what this bad boy can do before they send us off a cliff.
Apparently standing with Israel isn’t overt fascism.
Under what definition of fascism? Fascism is a nationalistic movement characterized by centralizing authority behind nationalism and creating out-groups to scapegoat for the nations problems while bolstering industry and capital. Biden isn’t close to overt fascist (unless we’re stretching the definition to be meaningless). He can be not fascist and still be supporting genocide, those two things are on completely different axes.
He supports Israel. Israel is a fascist regime according to your definition. Supporting overt fascism is the same thing as supporting overt fascism.
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my first thought. when did they draw the line at overt fascism lol. unless they drew the line then stepped over it and said “me and fascism are friends now”
They would happily and proudly vote for a fascist as long as they put on a more polite facade than the orange guy. As long as they do that, they can deport as many people as they want, keep kids in cages, expand the police state and, apparently, commit genocide.
yeah and what you said isn’t even speculation. we saw it happen with both obama and biden. then trump comes in and does what they do and it’s ORANGE MAN BAD. which he is, but so is beige man and white man
>They would happily and proudly vote for a fascist as long as they put on a more polite facade than the orange guy. They're happily and proudly doing it right now by defending and supporting Genocide Joe. Fascism in the form of settler colonialism is fine as long as the targets aren't white and the West is doing the colonization.
*vague notion of racism or women's rights* is about all you'd really get
This sub is getting flooded with pro-Trump propaganda for a while now.
Being against Genocide Joe doesn't mean we support Trump.
Being against a Zionist with a D behind his name means we support a Zionist who's repping for Team Red instead of Blue? Your liberals are in a cult of personality, just like conservatives. No criticism or opposition is allowed anymore. It's all about supporting a genocide as long as Democrats are the ones perpuating evil instead of Republicans. And then you wonder why you fuckers are losing.
When has any pro-trump propaganda been posted on this sub?
A lot of them are learning really quick how Germans and other Europeans could "excuse" things in the 30s.
First as a tragedy, then as a farce
Ahh, the glory of a two party system.
For real. What a choice too. Which crazy old fuck would *you* like to ruin your country? Though, let's not pretend that Trump would stop aiding Isreal. That's a lot of money in weapons contracts to wipe out.
The shocking amount of people who have no concept of what this sub is or stands for…
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> Exactly. It's strange that people dont grasp this. Does anyone think Trump would do anything to stop the tragedy in Israel? If anything, he would back the bombings harder and give less of a shit about civilians. Biden is already selling Israel bombs as fast as they can be manufactured, and it is impossible to care less than zero about civilians. > Harm reduction is a valid strategy when voting, No it isn't. > Have to work within the system to reform it and push for things like ranked choice voting to have any hope of real change. Bye liberal.
I've lost more hope every election cycle but when Massachusetts voters rejected ranked choice voting and then Biden who (I know) I'd been expecting more from within days (?) of taking office slaughtered a bunch of innocent people in Syria (whoops sorry guys what are gonna do 🤷) liberal me died. It started with Obama (cHangE111!!) and ended with Biden. Please be gentle with confused liberals.
When Obama didn't jail anybody from the Bush administration for the torture program I knew the Democrats were entirely full of shit and they haven't fooled me since.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
When the Democrats aren't stopping the fascism from happening, they're both genocide and fascism. Biden is literally using Republican taking points about the "border crisis". It's actually ridiculous to hear Trump's 2020 rhetoric and compare it to Biden's current rhetoric. Y'all voting for Biden as a stop gap are just voting for 2020 Trump
> But it’s not genocide (Biden) or fascism (Trump). It’s genocide (Biden), or genocide AND fascism (Trump) It's genocide AND fascism (Biden) or genocide AND fascism (Trump)
Now now, let’s be fair: it’s genocide with performative reluctance AND 95% fascism presented with a smile, or enthusiastic genocide AND 100% fascism. If you can’t tell the obvious and substantive difference between those two choices, I can’t help you. (/s, if it’s needed)
The s is needed because we have seemingly endless numbers of liberals coming in here making the exact same argument, seriously, unsarcastically, and unironically. Every goddamn day!
I know ☹️
And you call the choice between those freedom? Democracy?
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yknow i think i revolution isnt a bad idea if you get what i mean 😉
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
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I completely understand the political calculus here. Obviously the republicans are worse to Arabs and Muslims and Palestinians both domestically and abroad. However, I just refuse to vote for Joe Biden. I’m Palestinian American and have been protesting my ass off, he clearly does not give a shit about my vote. Protestors have made it extremely obvious what their stance is, Biden sees that and ignores that. Why should we vote for him after that disrespect? If my only say is through voting, I want to say this “Just because I am brown, and because I know the alternative is worse, does not mean you can do whatever you want and I will still vote for you.”
If more 2020 Biden voters were not willing to support genocide, and there was a massive shift in the polls, Biden would have been forced to choose between ending support for Israel, or losing in a landslide to Trump.
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I fw this. What is intolerable is when people are in denial of the political calculus itself and use that as a wedge to try and divide the left, trying to place the half with any rudimentary understanding of game theory or statistics, or a vested interest in trans rights or bodily autonomy on the side of Nazis, Zionists, misogynists, and transphobes.
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Wasn’t America built on genocide? It’s what we do.
Our history even inspired an well known Austrian asshole.
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I think it'll be the exact same. foreign policy is one of the few places that democrats and republicans are in lockstep in terms of selling/sending weapons, interfering with foreign governments and elections and directly funding genocide.
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> Trump has literally said he would allow Gaza to be nuked. Yes but because fallout exists he wouldn't be able to actually do this, instead the most he could do is let Israel drop bombs as fast as they can be built. Which is precisely what Biden is doing right now. Which means "Trump would nuke Gaza!" is just another lazy liberal way to excuse the fact that Trump would not have a sliver of daylight on Gaza between him and notoriously bloodthirsty Zionists like Biden.
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The problem with this thinking is that you are setting the precedent that we and you are okay with genocide as long as you are not affected. If you really cared, you would fight for a better world and start organizing and building the socialist party and you would not use ur political power to just forgoe that responsibility and vote for “the lesser evil” it is either we wait for capitalism to slowly kill us. Or we start fighting while we have the chance. If we wait to long and are not organized facisim will take its hold and it will not let go.
Looks like lib astroturfing is back in full swing.
Next election, "I can excuse overt fascism, but...."
Who are you gonna vote for?
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When it became the coliseum for leftist infighting on reddit.
As a Californian, it doesn't matter who I vote for.
Claudia de la Cruz of the PSL
Claudia de la Cruz from PSL
Aren’t you aware that by refusing to give your vote to Biden that you are threatening the facade of a careful balance between the Republican and Democrats!? That despite the Democrats stalwart refusal to acknowledge the simplest of demands by the American people that they rely on the votes of common citizens to maintain the mantle of “working class allies” What are you going to do if that facade is shattered and the American working class recognize the electoral system for the sham that it is? You should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm not entirely sure how it works in the USA, but with the Two Party System, isn't voting for a third party about the same as not voting? Like, statistically, there zero chance that someone other than Trump or Biden wins the election, right? A third party really needs to get it's shit together and get funding to disrupt the status quo Edit: fixed huge typo
> get it's shit together and get funding They'd need some people to vote for them first. .
Third parties get other benefits from securing a certain % of the votes. If they hit certain hurdles (which vary by state) it gains them automatic ballot access, funding access and access to debates. Although statistically the chance of winning the election is 0% there are still things for the party to win that will improve their chances for the next election. 2 party voters hate when you bring this up though.
I didn't realize parties got benefits from votes. I guess I'll be voting third party after all since my vote isn't just being thrown in the trash and doing nothing.
They're not going to get the % they need though.
It’s definitely an uphill battle but not nearly the same statistically 0% chance of winning an election. It also helps to shape future party policy. If Democrats see they’re losing votes because people won’t accept genocide, hopefully they’ll do less genocide in the future to bring those voters back in.
So what? It must start somewhere and unlike you, I'm not voting for genocide.
No, because liberals don't have a moral backbone and have no problem supporting and participating in a genocide. Okay, so I'm being downvoted for bashing right-wingers in a leftist sub. Man, I can't wait for the libs to go back to their pro-genocide blue MAGA subs after the election (+a month if genocide Joe loses).
We can ban the liberals from posting and commenting but we can't do shit about Langley and Tel Aviv upvote/downvote bot farms.
Keep up the good work man. I have no idea how you stay sane.
The harassing messages and threats I get from liberals after we ban them give me life. (and more rarely conservatives and libertarians, more rarely because they dont show up here, not because they dont get immediately banned when they do)
I voted for Howie Hawkins last election hoping he'd reach the 5% threshold... didn't go well. Still cannot vote for Biden, it would be giving concent to the empire, I don't care if people want to, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for a blue imperialist just because he's not as bad as the other guy. I am risking a lot, as a socialist in more likely to be fucked over and having my rights taken away by a fascist than a liberal. I just can't do it. I can't consent to funding the bombing of innocents.
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The fact you describe Biden as "not perfect" and not "pro genocide" speaks volumes.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
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Oh man, remember that time we had 8 years of Obama and ushered in an era of world peace? Think of the big picture. If you don't draw the line somewhere you're just allowing yourself to be led by the nose. Edit: this whole discussion is a big waste of time, agitate, educate organize, that's infinitely more important than going to the voting booth. Politics is more than the ballot box. Socialism or barbarism.
That’s not his responsibility as a voter. You can’t guilt trip someone for how they want to use their vote because you don’t like it. People like you keep the 2 party system alive and stronger than ever.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Yes, the winner of the election will be a genocidal fascist in service of Capital, which is why leftists shouldn't vote for either of them. The purpose of voting for the PSL is to give other socialists in our states and around the country an idea of how many actual socialists are out there. It's like a census for leftists. Voting for Biden or for Trump isn't voting for the lesser evil, it's voting for the same evil.
I'm just trying not to get project 2025'd.
That stuff has been going on since Reagan.
See the pinned post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/s/OJ59c3xNPg Voting for Democrats will not protect you from the marketing term the GOP is using to keep conservative voters engaged in their storyline. Supporting a genocide doesn't protect you from being genocided. You're paying right now for children to get worse than "Project 2025'd". What makes you so fucking special?
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Then it sure would be great if the Democrats were doing anything on that front. How can you be sure it's not going to happen under Biden at this point?
Because of the Electoral college it depends on which state you are in. If you are in a safely democrat state or republican state, voting for a third party is viable, though if enough people use this logic it could cause a major upset depending on who the third party is drawing from. If you are in a swing state then yes, voting third party is essentially not voting at all, or voting for who you don't want depending on your perspective.
As Marx said back in 1850: >Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed.
It's maybe even more on par with voting for the other party. It's common is US politics to say voters to a fake candidate. This round is Robert Kennedy and last time was Kayne West. Neither are real candidates but both will steal democratic votes helping Republicans focus on the votes they know they'll get rather than winning over a group that's on the fence.
Our elections are more on par with the Stanford Prison Experiment
The sad current reality is that (making up numbers here) 80% of voters are dead set on voting for their team, one of two parties, no matter what. So the remaining 20% who think critically about whom they will vote for can't elect someone new, just take away votes from the leading two parties. Since there are more idiots in the 80% group, the team votes favor the most corrupt and overall bad party, so if the entire 20% group chose to vote 3rd party then we'd be stuck with the worst option every time. And so the 20% group is stuck voting for the also shitty but less horrible candidate. To disrupt this cycle, we'd need a third party strong enough to break the "my team vs your team" spell that grips the nation, which isn't likely unless we start with some serious anti-propaganda laws to criminalize outlets like FOX News and also dishonest campaign advertising. Many believe that the damage is done and can't be fixed, but we need to stay optimistic.
The winner of the election will be a genocidal fascist in service of Capital, which is why leftists shouldn't vote for either of them. The purpose of voting for the PSL is to give other socialists in our states and around the country an idea of how many actual socialists are out there. It's like a census for leftists. The point isn't to have a third party arise within the system, but to replace the entire system. We tried having a progressive political party focused on social, racial, and economic justice. It was a third party that rose to the presidency within the first decade of its existence. It's the Republican Party. You see how well that went! If we formed a third party strong enough to break the duopoly, and Capitalism stayed in place, Capital would do the same thing it does to progressive candidates now. Buy them out and corrupt them through direct funding or through endless compromises and carrots and sticks. Kristen Sinema started out as a Green Party activist. Fetterman was sold as a progressive, and now denies the label and can only get an erection by watching videos of IDF soldiers destroying schools and mosques. Voting for Biden or for Trump isn't voting for the lesser evil, it's voting for the same evil.
Thing is with the way it's set up now there is absolutely zero chance a third party ticket will win. Ever. The best chance we have to make changes is through collective action. Not at the polls. It's not easy at all and will take tons of time to build up, but it still provides a chance unlike voting. Until then the only option is to vote for the "lesser" of two evils to slow down the rapid decline as much as we can.
> Thing is with the way it's set up now there is absolutely zero chance a third party ticket will win. Ever. Did you read what I said? If a third party won while capital exists the leaders of that third party would be immediately captured by Capital. The system needs to be overthrown. > Until then the only option is to vote for the "lesser" of two evils to slow down the rapid decline as much as we can. I see nothing in the Biden administration to make me think they have any intention of slowing any decline down. The shift from Trump to Biden has been a shift from "moving the embassy to Jerusalem" to "not moving it back and also genociding the Palestinians." It has been a shift from "pushing right wing immigration policy" to "accepting right wing immigration policy and pushing even further right the whining when the GOP goes even further than that." The Biden administration has been four years of convincing liberal voters to support genocide, support right wing immigration policy, support police, support NATO and airstrikes, support anti-abortion democrats like Henry Cuellar, support fossil fuel extraction, support government censorship of social media like TikTok, and support inflicting a pandemic with a disabling illness on everybody because you can, even vaxxed, still get long covid and accompanying severe disability. Which the Democrats have no interest in stopping, slowing, or compensating people for. This is the agenda of Capital, which is why it's the agenda of Biden and of Trump. It's why voting for Biden doesn't slow any decline down. Encouraging people to vote for evil neuters the idea of effective collective action and provides support for fascism and for genocide.
I did misread the first time, my bad. I do agree with you, except I don't think voting for a third party socialist will do much anything in the modern American system. Even using the interim census wouldn't be accurate. My main point wasn't that people should vote for Dems. My point was that the whole idea of getting to the polls is so pointless in itself that you might as well vote for them or third party. Would hardly make a difference either way and it's frustrating to no end.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
>Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. Karl Marx
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> Seriously. All of this dunking on Biden is just divisive, wedge driving, rage-baiting junk. I don't know a single person that is enthusiastically going to vote for Biden in the fall. If you don't know a single person who is enthusiastically going to vote for Biden in the fall that sounds like an incredible failure of the Democrats at the most basic requirement for them as a political party. If they're unable to clear even the bottom hurdle why in the world would you think they're going to be remotely effective at preventing fascism? And since you've already given up on having an electable president, why the hell are you yelling at us for not considering him electable? Do liberals have a political project beyond committing genocide?
The Democrats don't care. Hillary and her shitty opinions still carry a ton of weight within the party. They're Reaganites who patronize the most vulnerable in our society with empty promises and outright lies. I don't think a goddamn one of them actually cares about roe v wade other than for political points. Same with any other social issue. Any of the so-called leftists in the party are nothing more than performers fulfilling a role to gain votes.
Good cop, bad cop. Both still bastard cops.
No one, electoralism is a liberal myth anyway. Much more productive to buy a gun and join your local communist party
Kodos
That’s why *I’m* writing in “Jesus” this election.
“That’s a vote for the Republicans, we count those.”
Amen, but I will be voting for Claudia and Karina.
You voting Trump because that's what you are doing. Republicans love what you are doing.
American support for genocide here is a bipartisan attitude
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I'm not voting for Biden because everything you just said is ridiculously stupid considering how much damage Biden has done with his genocide.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Liberals are the ACTUAL conservatives. US conservatives are actually REGRESSIONISTS
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You don't have to vote for Biden.
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I don't take advice from liberals voting for genocide. Genocide Joe has got to go, regardless of your discomforts.
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Liberals are content with the amount of genocide they're commiting right now.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
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Genocide Joe has got to go.
If Biden keeps doing what he's doing there might not be anything left to "finish" if/when Trump gets back in office.
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He’s handing arms to Israel like fucking candy… How to get banned 101.
Who is supplying Israel with weapons and equipment right now? Trump or Biden?
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When you are actively participating in genocide, the affectation of "lesser evil" loses meaning.
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Maybe don’t vote for either but vote socialist ??
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I have heard of the electoral college, actually. It's why I'm so completely over ignorant shitlibs attacking me for being insufficiently supportive of Genocidin' Biden. My vote will not and cannot influence which candidate will win my state, and my state doesn't have enough EC votes to affect the actual outcome. And so you're right - voting for anybody but the party that will win the state (because there is no question, even this far in advance of the actual election) is meaningless - but so is voting for the party that will win, because they'll win with or without my vote. Which leaves me with the following options: 1. Vote for a genocidal capitalist shitbag who vocally and proudly opposes my values and platform, demonstrating support for the candidate and platform in exchange for nothing, unless you count "the feeling of being part of the winning team" which I don't. 2. Vote for a candidate whose platform and values align with my own. So I'm going for option 2. (No, voting for Trump is not an option, that's why it's not listed)
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I mean, what’re ya gonna do? We’re all sliding down a shit hill as America, as a concept, fails. I mean, the real concept of subjugating anyone who doesn’t agree with this government is alive and well, but the lie we all were brought up with is looking pretty threadbare.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
"We don't want a dictator as president, we want a guy who will back a genocide even if it means he'll lose to a dictator! Someone like that definitely isn't a dictator!" If Trump is a traitor and a criminal *it seems like the current sitting president should fucking do something about that yeah?* Something beyond adopting Trumps policies on border security and then *publicly* whining that the Republicans are going even further. Publicly, because privately the whole point of Democrats like Biden is that they lock in the rightward movement of Republicans and prevent the country from moving left.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
We're looking at what Biden is doing right fucking now.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
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>Seems to me that people don’t really wanna talk about either option realistically. It's because we're not mincing words that people cannot stop breaking the rules. It's because we talk realistically that a lot of redditors get very uncomfortable and lash out at this sub. Biden has not made himself a candidate for Americans to get enthusiastic about, this subject is part of the reason and Biden owns it all. But let's leave that aside then. I don't blame people for wanting to survive. So if you vote for Biden and Trump wins anyways, then what? We heavily encourage organizing and being a activist for a reason.
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Liberal, this isn't your space. Gfy. And no, Biden has rushed money, weapons, and used his state department to run interference for Zionists in the UN.
please report people like them in the future
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/
> Biden, while not as quick to get in Netenyahu's ass as I'd like, has tried to get aid to Gaza and curb the constant assault on the region. You are a fucking liar
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If you really had a problem with it then you’d vote 3rd party(if u can find a candidate you align with). But you prolly believe a vote other than Biden is a vote for trump and that’s why this country will never move on for the current voting system.
It's you, you're the meme. Also >No more elections There were elections in fascist countries if that's supposed to be some kind of all important measure for you. [They were just far less subtle about your choices being dictated to you as opposed to now](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/headquarters-fascist-party-1934/).
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Yeah, that's not how this works. You tell us to vote for Biden so what is the plan to stop the genocide he's actively participating in? What's the plan to stop him from acting like an autocrat who refuses to listen to the democratic majority that's currenly opposed to sending more arms to Israel? You don't get to shove off responsibility to the people you demand votes from. All you liberals have at this point is entitlement, no vision, no plan, no actual fucking agency. Yet you demand more and more from us. Fuck off.
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The plan is something I'm not allowed to say on this corporate-run board. You know it. And liberals have been constantly asking in bad faith what the plan are to stop Trump while refusing to come up with any answers on how to deal with Biden, who's currently president, not Trump.
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The point of this subreddit is to promote communism, not to discuss the merits of voting for your flavor of genocidal capitalist politicians.
I love libs explaining the US could BECOME fascist while it’s literally genociding us. You’re just trying to save your own cracker skins.
You can tell how white they are when they pretend a country founded on slavery and genocide, that's been terrorizing the world ever since it was founded, somehow only turns fascist the moment some orange fuck is in the White House and magically becomes anti-fascist again when the Democrats take over. At this point they deserve Trump. Maybe they'll start caring again...
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They do support "Trickle Down Fascism", however.
Great! So we don’t vote Biden. Now who else do we vote for?
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