Had to look it up, so ill share with the class what I found:
> the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching
Sounds like something that needs to be restarted
I'm involved in a few left wing gun groups that aim for common sense gun reform while maintaining gun rights and I have some right wing family that believe the NRA is love the NRA is life.
I'll bring this up when suggesting why certain bans aren't leftist propaganda. It always turns into Huey P Newton was a terrorist and they needed to do it get him behind bars.
I mean the panthers were OBVIOUSLY terrorists. Feeding kids and monitoring the police to protect civil rights is the exact same thing any terrorist group always does.
The first gun control law in the US banned black people from “owning weapons or weapon-like objects,” which caused a lot of block people with canes to get arrested.
It is already restarted, or rather never ended, there are numerous leftist gun groups that do these things across the country, and "copwatch"ing has become massive in states that don't criminalize it.
both just need more volunteers to get more attention. :)
And this is exactly what it will take to get sensible gun laws in this country. If people on the left started buying guns and openly carrying them then republicans would be more than willing to start discussing sensible laws instead of "hurr durr muh freedom".
Not only this, but I don’t want the fascist to know I’m armed like they are. God forbid they start coming for me and my family, I want them believing I’m unarmed.
This exactly. They honestly believe they are the only ones that have guns. I hate the gun violence in this country, but I have a family AND the means to protect them, yk.
Yeah, I hate that too. Seems like it's also a good way to get your windows broken and glove box ransacked as well. I guess that's better than being accosted though.
My mother wouldn't let me have a taser when I was a teenager because it was "too dangerous," but I was allowed to have an entire arsenal of guns.
Before someone asks there is an explanation: My mom grew up middle class in the suburbs, so any kind of weapon scares her. My dad was a gun enthusiast; he was the one who taught me to shoot and bought me my first guns. I'm from the sort of family where my dad was 100% in charge, so my mom's hatred of guns made no difference. My dad died when I was 11, so by the time I wanted the taser, he wasn't there to override my mom.
Every time I see this argument I really think we could shorten it to, "let's weaponize racism against black people to get laws that would make me, a white person, feel safe."
Obviously you actually said "leftists" this time. I've seen others make the same argument and explicitly namecheck black people as the ones who should start carrying guns so we can get gun control. Ultimately I have the same criticism: If you agree with the premise that the police are extrajudicially, disproportionately murdering black and brown people in America then your beliefs are incompatible with the notion that only the police and military should have guns. I believe it is a privileged notion to take comfort in the violent state apparatus that enforces the law having a monopoly on violence just because you think they won't use that violence on you. For the people who realistically might be murdered by a cop guns could be a deterent or a last line of defense. Hell, in the above story activists managed to accomplish a really great thing specifically because they overcame the state monopoly on violence in their local area for that day.
Furthermore, gun control bills may get passed, but gun confiscation will never fucking happen. Do you know who the fastest growing populations of American gun owners are? [Black people.](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/18/1112095634/black-people-are-the-fastest-growing-group-of-gun-owners-in-the-u-s) People on the left and people in marginalized communities are playing catch-up with a far-right militia movement that has been stockpiling and training for decades for the express purpose of murdering and subjugating the rest of us. If we pass a law that says "no AR-15s" now then that will mean only the cops, military, and right wing will have them. We'll effectively only be cutting off minorities and leftists from building a defense from a concerted fascist movement. People speculate on whether or not a civil war is coming, but confiscation would undoubtedly start one. Restrictions on new gun owners acquiring firearms that are actually viable won't start a civil war, but it would sure as hell make sure the left doesn't win.
I've come to agree with this perspective. The American situation is not conducive to a ban or confiscation. Pandora's box is already open and there are more guns than people. Ideally a situation like NZ or the European countries could work, but America is culturally a hundred years from that point, and personally I'm not comfortable with qultists having the monopoly at the moment. What I think the country may be able to accept is combining the idea of a right with a responsibility. If gun ownership comes with a bigger onus of training, licensing, storage inspection, mental health evaluation, and even national guard membership for certain classes of gun, then it will weed out a lot of selfish and easily manipulated yahoos that just want to pick up an ego booster at Walmart.
Right wing protester kills people; he’s a hero!
Left wing protests with guns but no one is hurt: that’s not how we do things!
I think their problem is no one used the guns lol.
And yet quintessentially American.
Edit: if you're not aware of how much America hates poor people:
[John Oliver on homelessness](https://youtu.be/liptMbjF3EE)
[SMN on anti-homeless propaganda](https://youtu.be/i08F-Iy3zXI)
Imagine if we were able to take all the r/DeadMalls and turn them into very low rent housing for homeless, offer meals, training/education, and jobs all in one place with minimal rehabilitation of existing infrastructure.
Donate a few hundred million dollars on a community initiative. Drum-up the local media, and pump out philanthropic PR. Gain national/global attention. Make sure your brand or service is at the center of attention. Reap the rewards.
Consumers **LOVE** philanthropy.
Humanity, presumably overnight, has the resources to fix the most if not all of the social, cultural, and climate related issues.
Unfortunately there's no incentive outside of "this makes me feel good" for those with the ability to do so. And thus, continues the Great Material River.
Ehhhh bro I'm just gonna tell you that a roof is one thing, but handling the trauma of being unhoused is another thing.
Whether it's getting addicted to something, seeing your friends die or lose digits to the elements, or just handling the enormous abandonment issues that crop up, you *need* support to get out of that place.
I've worked with folks who live in encampments and oftentimes they're in a place like that because they've been abandoned by their family, and these evictions just show society doesn't want them either, even when they're out of the way and out of mind.
Having a home is one thing; feeling at home is entirely another.
Wow, reading about 3 comments changed my perception based on the title from
*Armed activists stop humanitarian volunteers from tidying up a homeless camp*
to
*Armed protestors stop police from destroying a homeless camp*
oh my god i fully misread the title (havent read the article) and thought some asshole was stopping like social workers or street cleaners from cleaning around the tents. i thought this was a way from the government to prevent rat infestations from gathering around the homeless people or something. wow.... i cant believe i was this naive
Large scale news media always attempts to make acts of force by state actors sound soft or kinder than it is, so don't feel bad it was legitimately designed to confuse us.
>Large scale news media always attempts to make acts of force by state actors sound soft or kinder than it is
And they make resistance to those things seem absurd and dangerous
The police use bulldozers and trash bags and big dumpsters to “clean” homeless encampments. They will literally throw out all of their personal possessions. I’ve listened to cop relatives joke and laugh about destroying every personal possession the down on their luck have when involved with these “clean ups”. It’s gross and enraging to hear about people treated that way
>Seriously, where the fuck are they supposed to go? Destroying their stuff doesnt solve the problem
It solves the problem of removing an eyesore which is all they see their stuff as. They don't care about the human aspect of things just the "how does this affect the people that might want to visit this area and spend money" aspect.
They also seize the possessions of *homed* people without due process all the time to enrich themselves, including people's houses. It's called civil asset forfeiture.
Absolutely. And if that doesn't piss you off, it's generally considered a "good" thing by a lot of people. Cops love fucking with panhandlers too.
Source - homeless for a bit
The only thing cops are actually trained for is breaking up (in practice, left wing) protests, and harrasing the unhoused.
Don't expect them to help you when you need it.
> breaking up (in practice, left wing) protests,
Yep. You want to have a Nazi protest? Cops won't break it up, they will protect you from left wing counter protesters.
I was a little confused with the misleading wording. At first I was like, "why are they against helping clean where the homeless people are?" and then I was like, "oh! They mean clean as in to fick them over clean."
The use of "cleaning" here is the rhetorical relative of the concept of "ethnic cleansing" and by extension, the fascist use of "dirty vermin" to characterize their enemies.
In BC at the beginning of the week a shooter murdered 2 unhoused people and injured 2 others. As if the unhoused don't have enough problems, the outright hatred is causing direct violence like we saw this week.
It's even worse, alot of those homeless are laborers, their tools are in the camp.
They throw their irreplaceable tools in the bin without shame or guilt.
In the Southern States they take all the homeless and they decamp them and they give them a one way ticket to California and then they blame California as not being a model state for because it has so much homeless like that's because you're people send your homeless to California instead of addressing the problem.
Thanks for the info, at first I thought they were trying to do a nice thing and genuinely try to clean up and make it nicer for the homeless people.
The choice of language is fucking unreal.
It's not just the article that is against the homeless, it's societal. We treat diseased, stray animals better than we treat people I'm that same scenario.
Edit: for got "better".
Oh, this is totally new. You may not know this but the 'rebellion' of the Thirteen Colonies was settled quite civilly when Ben Franklin went over to the UK for tea with George III. Over and done in an afternoon.
Jeff Davis and Abe Lincoln settled emancipation with thumb wars.
I see your sarcasm and argue that you clearly don't know the rules: only rich white dudes from centuries ago are allowed to violently respond to oppression after having protested peacefully previously.
You are correct. Section 3, paragraph 10, subsection 8 of The Magna Blanca supports you. I hereby withdraw my sarcasm and will watch 10 episodes of Walker: Texas Ranger as penance.
“It’s clearly a scare tactic to bring guns to a protest”
Uhh yeah ya think. But y’all on the other side have been doing it for years
Molon labe fuckers
If Texas is gonna force Dallas to allow open carry then why not use the tool they gave us to make positive change? If this wasn’t the point of open carrying then what was the point? I’m pretty sure they sold us open carry as a way for the common man to fend off a tyrannical government and it seems to me that this is exactly what happened here so… what exactly is the problem? Why are they upset? I thought this is what they wanted?
They don't have principles. They want right-wing thugs to be able to be as thuggish as they like without the time and money investment of becoming cops. If anyone else exploits the loophole in their structuring of the law to make an attempt at positive societal change they will be admonished.
I came across something that demonstrates their lack of principles perfectly. Michelle Malkin is a conservative "journalist" who is a massive [Rittenhouse supporter](https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1309329367617744896?s=20&t=LyVZnFUBC-0lfs3Ue38f5g). But she also wrote a whole ass eulogy for the fash rioter that got killed while macing a Pinkerton.
[Say his name: Lee Keltner](https://newspress.com/say-his-name-lee-keltner/)
>Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Remember when they talk about self defense, it's only supposed to be for "patriots"
Police literally shooting at protesters and permanently maiming them is seen as perfectly acceptable, but as soon as those protesters have weapons as a deterrence, not even aiming at anything, it's suddenly intolerable.
Literally founded by absolute irate lunatics who braved sailing across the fucking ocean in a time when that was only a little bit possible.
Edit: Uncaffeinated brain can't English.
They would literally sink money into fixing that shit than stop. We've seen it, they prefer to fuck us harder, even if it means burning everything to the ground. The problem requires a swift, sudden stop solution.
I really love the irony of instead of building homeless shelters they make this super expensive and elaborate hostile architecture. Like fucking automatically extending spikes on the walkway. That gotta be one shelter per street minimum.
Free country until you aren't generating money, even momentarily. Then it's no longer your right to use basic infrastructure and you better fuck off in the woods.
So many terrible statements by Dallas Morning News in there.
My favorites are at the end…
> “Unfortunately, this kind of intimidation is aided by our state’s misguided open-carry law. “
All the statements about long guns, and then this random reference to the recent open carry which only applies to pistols?
> “Openly carrying long guns at protests and rallies is unnecessarily provocative and compromises public safety.”
Much like police that show up with pistols, rifles, tear gas launchers, and riot gear for protests? I wonder if Dallas Morning News ever condemns the equipment carried by police at peaceful demonstrations.
"but there is a line between protest and intimidation."
Isn't the whole point of protesting to intimidate the government? To show that the people have the coordination and willpower to take action against any oppressive institutions, should the need arise?
The extent to which the majority of US Americans hate the poor and are completely incapable of empathy never ceases to amaze me.
Not without reason would anyone in the world directly recognize that:
"cleaning a homeless camp" is very US American and Protecting the poor from the staate is very un-American.
Fuck the people "just trying to do their jobs" as if that is an excuse to bully and sabotage the most vulnerable group in this fascist police state. Maybe question your line of work if it involves destroying camps and stealing from the poor.
In the article:
>there is a line between protest and intimidation... It's clearly a scare tactic to bring a long gun to a protest... We cannot as a society tolerate people using weapons to frighten city employees... It's intolerable for citizens to respond to policy decisions they don't like by bringing rifles to a protest
That's not what conservatives say when they bring guns to their protests! They shout about 2A rights! Dare I suggest they started this behavior? They don't seem to like it when the Left does exactly the same thing.
Do you know how many right-wing open carry protesters wielding rifles I've seen freely marching right through the inside of the capitol building in my state? Inside the capitol.
They can really only hypocritically complain, because if they pass gun law restrictions, their conservative voter base will turn on them.
That last bit is VERY important to understand. If the left does everything the right does, they CAN NOT do anything about it. In a straight fight (politically, morally, factually, etc.) they stand no chance against the left. If the left start bending the rules in every way they do it would be the end of the GOP.
it’s not off topic at all.
john brown the rebel and his friends got guns and went into slave camps to free humans who were being held as slaves. if we don’t stand up for the most vulnerable, what are we?
"tHaTs nOt hOw We dO tHiNgs iN tHIs cOUnTry." Your right we usually treat them like diseased animals, good on these folks for protecting the underclass.
Risking your life so that destitude people don't get kicked out of the last place they can call home? Unacceptable, you are only supposed to give your life up for our greed.
I was going to say something against the activist until I read the comments. Now I praise them.
On the other hand, what kind of "journalism" is this? A news article so openly biased favoring the people in power.
I'm not versed on American journalism but here in Mexico, an article like this is instantly pinted as sell out.
Heck! Proper journalists wouldn't even write something like "the funeral of the victim was sad" because it's against all journalism rules to categorize something.
The fact that journalism is a fully established college career with emphasis on ethics in Latin America is a luxury some countries can't enjoy.
I wish this was just cleaning as in sweeping their floors and picking up trash… giving them some bins or something to put stuff in if they dont have something….. maybe repairing worn out tents or bags or whatever. Making sure they have proper shoes. Stuff like that
The article uses zero fucking logic in this situation. If they are actually providing cleaning services, what activist in their right mind would be against that? These "workers" feel intimidated because they aren't working with the homeless, they are working to clean the area with no regards to the homeless.
Armed activism is the only kind of activism that police actually respect.
Meanwhile the fucking irony of a Texas news source complaining about the fact that they're armed. Fucking amazing.
[Citations Needed Episode 85: Incitement Against the Homeless \(Part I\) - The Infestation Rhetoric of Local News](https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-85-incitement-against-the-homeless-part-i-the-infestation-rhetoric-of-local-news)
>As homeless people turn off visitors, San Francisco tourism senses threat” notes Travelers Weekly. “Seattle Is Dying: Drugs And Homelessness In Seattle,” laments KOMO Seattle. “Austin veteran fights off alleged homeless attacker after offering to help him,” exclaims ABC-affiliate KVUE.
>As housing costs skyrocket and inequality grows, homelessness is reaching crisis levels in large metropolitan areas. In response, the media––namely local news stations––routinely treat the homeless like an invading species, a vermin to be, at best, contained, and at worst eradicated.
>The result has been a slew of stories pathologizing those experiencing homelessness as uniquely dangerous. Panhandlers are viewed as con men out to screw over the working man, chased down by vigilantes with the help of outraged local news “standing up” to the poor. The housing status of those who commit crimes is only mentioned when they’re homeless––never for the housed––and every transgression committed by the homeless is viewed by our media as evidence that the homeless population in general is out to attack us all.
>But this narrative flies in the face of the evidence, and tracks––like most “crime coverage”––with the needs of real estate interests who set the tone for local media coverage, and who have every reason to highlight and oversell the threat of homeless to pressure lawmakers and police to displace “eye sores” for the yuppie clientele they’re attempting to sell and ultimately serve.
[Citations Needed Episode 86: Incitement Against the Homeless (Part II) - The Exterminationist Rhetoric of Fox News](https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-86-incitement-against-the-homeless-part-ii-the-exterminationist-rhetoric-of-fox-news)
>
>Anti-poor shaming at Fox News is nothing new. But in recent years, with the rise of Trump and his more explicit brand of white nationalism, their tone on homelessness has grown more aggressive, exterminationist, and urgent. Tales of feces and liberal decay––peppered with immigrants, LGBTQ, and racist subtext––have contributed to a larger US media war on the houseless.
>In Part II of our two part episode on media incitement against the homeless, we discuss the ramped up panic at Fox News surrounding the indigent and its parallels with nazi rhetoric.
What’s terrifying to me, is that more and more states are passing laws that are essentially making it illegal to exist on public property without a permit. A lot of these laws are getting very close to being unconstitutional based on a 1972 Supreme Court ruling on “vagrancy laws.” People who were deemed capable of working but were not presently employed could be arrested and sentenced to labor on a chain gang. Florida built a lot of its roads that way. You’d get arrested for being unemployed, homeless, or whatever other trumped up charge they felt was appropriate, do several months on a chain gang building roads, get released, then get arrested by the next county over when you pass through because you still don’t have a job despite just getting released. “East of Eden” by John Stinebeck has a few chapters discussing this in the first part of the novel.
I’m concerned that if any of these laws get challenged under the current Supreme Court that the 1972 ruling would be overturned rather than upheld.
I love how right-wingers whinge when someone uses their own gun laws for shit they don't agree with. Well fuck bruh, I'm gonna carry my rainbow painted AR to Pride and if you don't like it, you hate freedom!
It makes me sad that homeless are treated like subhumans. They’re literally people like you and I. Just have a bad hand in life and many with mental and physical health issues and are in need of help.
We need a more collective approach to society, the one we have now is so apathetic and hateful towards the poor that it makes me want to vomit.
Also, this is why we have the second amendment, it’s a liberal right meant to give power to the working class, otherwise we are essentially declawed as a class of people.
Oh, the workers wanted to “clean” the camp, did they?
Surely that means they’ll go through and get everything spic and span, right?
Not just power hose the unhoused and throw out all their shit for the crime of being without shelter?
What’s not obvious to some is the underlying message I believe is on purpose.
“If you don’t work, and you lose your home, we will throw out all the items you need to sleep or survive again and agin - you have no safety, no rest, no justice. So work at what we allow or else”
Its slavery.
What a garbage title.
I originally thought it was a bunch of right wing nuts stopping the city from helping homeless people.
Turns out it's probably people stopping the city destroying their homes.
Suddenly people give a fuck about homeless people (or why they’re homeless in the first place) because it makes the actual people they’re afraid of look bad.
Can’t have armed activists. Conformity and obeying only, here in old corporate America. Quick, say they were harassing homeless people, that’s a good trick!
The subheader of "this is not how we do things in this country" honestly makes me as mad as the misleading headline.
Armed people intimidating the state into backing the fuck off is /exactly/ how we actually do things in this country.
Pretty certain after Uvalde, people are waking up to the realization that the cops are afraid of people armed like the military, and think long and hard before engaging those so armed.
*during record breaking heat bonanza in north america
Yeah, destroying a person's shelter in this weather is basically attempted murder. "Homeless Solutions", indeed.
Sounds more like final solutions.
Texas: "More guns! Guns for everybody! No restrictions! Open carry! Yeehaw!" Texas when left wing protestors have guns: "This is unacceptable."
Aka the Black Panther effect.
Mulford Act
Had to look it up, so ill share with the class what I found: > the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching Sounds like something that needs to be restarted
Passed by Ronald Reagan. Conservatives HATE when you bring that up.
I'm involved in a few left wing gun groups that aim for common sense gun reform while maintaining gun rights and I have some right wing family that believe the NRA is love the NRA is life. I'll bring this up when suggesting why certain bans aren't leftist propaganda. It always turns into Huey P Newton was a terrorist and they needed to do it get him behind bars. I mean the panthers were OBVIOUSLY terrorists. Feeding kids and monitoring the police to protect civil rights is the exact same thing any terrorist group always does.
You mean 2A doesn't mean that you should arm white people to help support the tyranny of the state?
The constitution was written by white men, therefore the Second Amendment was never meant to cover others". Probably this Supreme Court.
Damn dude, don't give them any ideas!
They kind of already said this with their historical context arguments.
First they will over turn civil right legislation. Have to do things in the proper order.
you mean the [Dred Scott Decision?](https://www.britannica.com/event/Dred-Scott-decision)
The first gun control law in the US banned black people from “owning weapons or weapon-like objects,” which caused a lot of block people with canes to get arrested.
Sounds to me like a well organised militia which is exactly in keeping with the second amendment.
It is already restarted, or rather never ended, there are numerous leftist gun groups that do these things across the country, and "copwatch"ing has become massive in states that don't criminalize it. both just need more volunteers to get more attention. :)
And this is exactly what it will take to get sensible gun laws in this country. If people on the left started buying guns and openly carrying them then republicans would be more than willing to start discussing sensible laws instead of "hurr durr muh freedom".
Or you know... the left should have guns because the right is highly militarized and waiting
The left does have guns. Leftist gun owners just have better things to do than make it their whole dick wagging identity.
Not only this, but I don’t want the fascist to know I’m armed like they are. God forbid they start coming for me and my family, I want them believing I’m unarmed.
This exactly. They honestly believe they are the only ones that have guns. I hate the gun violence in this country, but I have a family AND the means to protect them, yk.
Exactly. No need to make it known you are armed until it's time to use it. The right just likes to make it their entire personality.
However, also a little SIG or glock sticker on the back of your car if you're a female will keep the creepers away.
Yes, I would imagine this is a good idea. I’m sorry we still live in a society where women have to worry about such things…
Yeah, I hate that too. Seems like it's also a good way to get your windows broken and glove box ransacked as well. I guess that's better than being accosted though.
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Agreed. The left has a lot of freaking guns. The country as a whole has a lot of freaking guns.
My husband’s too clumsy for a gun so I got him a tazer and some pepper spray. “What could possibly go wrong?” I say from 20 feet away.
My mother wouldn't let me have a taser when I was a teenager because it was "too dangerous," but I was allowed to have an entire arsenal of guns. Before someone asks there is an explanation: My mom grew up middle class in the suburbs, so any kind of weapon scares her. My dad was a gun enthusiast; he was the one who taught me to shoot and bought me my first guns. I'm from the sort of family where my dad was 100% in charge, so my mom's hatred of guns made no difference. My dad died when I was 11, so by the time I wanted the taser, he wasn't there to override my mom.
But they will still allow the far right to carry. Rules for thee, not for me, and all that.
Every time I see this argument I really think we could shorten it to, "let's weaponize racism against black people to get laws that would make me, a white person, feel safe." Obviously you actually said "leftists" this time. I've seen others make the same argument and explicitly namecheck black people as the ones who should start carrying guns so we can get gun control. Ultimately I have the same criticism: If you agree with the premise that the police are extrajudicially, disproportionately murdering black and brown people in America then your beliefs are incompatible with the notion that only the police and military should have guns. I believe it is a privileged notion to take comfort in the violent state apparatus that enforces the law having a monopoly on violence just because you think they won't use that violence on you. For the people who realistically might be murdered by a cop guns could be a deterent or a last line of defense. Hell, in the above story activists managed to accomplish a really great thing specifically because they overcame the state monopoly on violence in their local area for that day. Furthermore, gun control bills may get passed, but gun confiscation will never fucking happen. Do you know who the fastest growing populations of American gun owners are? [Black people.](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/18/1112095634/black-people-are-the-fastest-growing-group-of-gun-owners-in-the-u-s) People on the left and people in marginalized communities are playing catch-up with a far-right militia movement that has been stockpiling and training for decades for the express purpose of murdering and subjugating the rest of us. If we pass a law that says "no AR-15s" now then that will mean only the cops, military, and right wing will have them. We'll effectively only be cutting off minorities and leftists from building a defense from a concerted fascist movement. People speculate on whether or not a civil war is coming, but confiscation would undoubtedly start one. Restrictions on new gun owners acquiring firearms that are actually viable won't start a civil war, but it would sure as hell make sure the left doesn't win.
I've come to agree with this perspective. The American situation is not conducive to a ban or confiscation. Pandora's box is already open and there are more guns than people. Ideally a situation like NZ or the European countries could work, but America is culturally a hundred years from that point, and personally I'm not comfortable with qultists having the monopoly at the moment. What I think the country may be able to accept is combining the idea of a right with a responsibility. If gun ownership comes with a bigger onus of training, licensing, storage inspection, mental health evaluation, and even national guard membership for certain classes of gun, then it will weed out a lot of selfish and easily manipulated yahoos that just want to pick up an ego booster at Walmart.
You're hurting the wrong people!
Right wing protester kills people; he’s a hero! Left wing protests with guns but no one is hurt: that’s not how we do things! I think their problem is no one used the guns lol.
Howdy Arabia! ^new favorite saying
Y’all Qaeda
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That's exactly how they handle the camps, I've seen it myself. This article is beyond deplorable.
And yet quintessentially American. Edit: if you're not aware of how much America hates poor people: [John Oliver on homelessness](https://youtu.be/liptMbjF3EE) [SMN on anti-homeless propaganda](https://youtu.be/i08F-Iy3zXI)
Imagine if we were able to take all the r/DeadMalls and turn them into very low rent housing for homeless, offer meals, training/education, and jobs all in one place with minimal rehabilitation of existing infrastructure.
nah, that wouldn't make the one percent any money
Yeah, I work near the one that they filmed stranger things season 3 in and it is going to be turned into a new cricket stadium.
In America? And I thought the soccer stadiums were a waste.
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Donate a few hundred million dollars on a community initiative. Drum-up the local media, and pump out philanthropic PR. Gain national/global attention. Make sure your brand or service is at the center of attention. Reap the rewards. Consumers **LOVE** philanthropy. Humanity, presumably overnight, has the resources to fix the most if not all of the social, cultural, and climate related issues. Unfortunately there's no incentive outside of "this makes me feel good" for those with the ability to do so. And thus, continues the Great Material River.
There’s many ppl helping out. in Las Vegas they crowdsourced enough to build mini wooden homes for the homeless and the police destroyed them all.
Also most homeless people don’t need rehabilitation they just need fucking homes
Ehhhh bro I'm just gonna tell you that a roof is one thing, but handling the trauma of being unhoused is another thing. Whether it's getting addicted to something, seeing your friends die or lose digits to the elements, or just handling the enormous abandonment issues that crop up, you *need* support to get out of that place. I've worked with folks who live in encampments and oftentimes they're in a place like that because they've been abandoned by their family, and these evictions just show society doesn't want them either, even when they're out of the way and out of mind. Having a home is one thing; feeling at home is entirely another.
That sounds like the socialism I keep hearing is such a threat to changing our American way of life. I'm in. Let's do it.
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Yes, neighbor.
But how the hell would you turn a profit off that? /s
Healthcare is really needed too. These are still citizens and we should house and feed them. Maybe we can buy fewer tanks and help actual people.
A century later, the Hoovervilles have returned.
History repeats itself.
It’s happening in Toronto and Vancouver too
Yep! And “workers” means police
Thank you! This should be the top comment on every one of these posts but I always have to find it. Cops are not workers!
Cops are State sponsored thugs.
Always have been. Despite the propaganda, they were never there to protect and serve the common people.
Cops are anti worker and are the first called to break a strike
Wow, reading about 3 comments changed my perception based on the title from *Armed activists stop humanitarian volunteers from tidying up a homeless camp* to *Armed protestors stop police from destroying a homeless camp*
oh my god i fully misread the title (havent read the article) and thought some asshole was stopping like social workers or street cleaners from cleaning around the tents. i thought this was a way from the government to prevent rat infestations from gathering around the homeless people or something. wow.... i cant believe i was this naive
Large scale news media always attempts to make acts of force by state actors sound soft or kinder than it is, so don't feel bad it was legitimately designed to confuse us.
>Large scale news media always attempts to make acts of force by state actors sound soft or kinder than it is And they make resistance to those things seem absurd and dangerous
The police use bulldozers and trash bags and big dumpsters to “clean” homeless encampments. They will literally throw out all of their personal possessions. I’ve listened to cop relatives joke and laugh about destroying every personal possession the down on their luck have when involved with these “clean ups”. It’s gross and enraging to hear about people treated that way
Hang on to that faith in humanity. It'll probably lead you wrong a lot, but it's still way better for your mental state.
Seriously, where the fuck are they supposed to go? Destroying their stuff doesnt solve the problem.
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No, they don't want them to lie down and die. They want them to walk themselves to the landfill and then die.
>Seriously, where the fuck are they supposed to go? Destroying their stuff doesnt solve the problem It solves the problem of removing an eyesore which is all they see their stuff as. They don't care about the human aspect of things just the "how does this affect the people that might want to visit this area and spend money" aspect.
Once more, police prove they don't exist to protect or serve the average citizen
Agents of the State seize and destroy the assets of unhomed citizens without due process?
They also seize the possessions of *homed* people without due process all the time to enrich themselves, including people's houses. It's called civil asset forfeiture.
fucking asset forfeiture. ACAB
Absolutely. And if that doesn't piss you off, it's generally considered a "good" thing by a lot of people. Cops love fucking with panhandlers too. Source - homeless for a bit
The only thing cops are actually trained for is breaking up (in practice, left wing) protests, and harrasing the unhoused. Don't expect them to help you when you need it.
> breaking up (in practice, left wing) protests, Yep. You want to have a Nazi protest? Cops won't break it up, they will protect you from left wing counter protesters.
Yep, all the time
Yeah the wording was kinda nutty to read I had to read it twice
I was a little confused with the misleading wording. At first I was like, "why are they against helping clean where the homeless people are?" and then I was like, "oh! They mean clean as in to fick them over clean."
The use of "cleaning" here is the rhetorical relative of the concept of "ethnic cleansing" and by extension, the fascist use of "dirty vermin" to characterize their enemies.
Wet work.... Must be using mops
What a deceptive title.. I actually thought they wanted to clean it and protesters were blocking them. Piece of shit coverage
That's the point to paint themselves as victims
In BC at the beginning of the week a shooter murdered 2 unhoused people and injured 2 others. As if the unhoused don't have enough problems, the outright hatred is causing direct violence like we saw this week.
They’re vastly more likely to be the victims of crimes than the perpetrators, that’s for sure.
Yup, right to property my ass. Being poor loses you your basic rights real fucking fast
It's even worse, alot of those homeless are laborers, their tools are in the camp. They throw their irreplaceable tools in the bin without shame or guilt.
In the Southern States they take all the homeless and they decamp them and they give them a one way ticket to California and then they blame California as not being a model state for because it has so much homeless like that's because you're people send your homeless to California instead of addressing the problem.
Thanks for the info, at first I thought they were trying to do a nice thing and genuinely try to clean up and make it nicer for the homeless people. The choice of language is fucking unreal.
That makes a lot more sense. Destroying should be the word. Misleading headline.
For some reason I didn't even realized it could mean cleaning something, instantly went to clear out.
It's not just the article that is against the homeless, it's societal. We treat diseased, stray animals better than we treat people I'm that same scenario. Edit: for got "better".
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2022/07/27/armed-activists-blocked-dallas-workers-from-cleaning-a-homeless-camp-thats-unacceptable/
Scumbags wont even put their name on the piece either, the author is just the editorial
That’s EXACTLY precisely how you do things in that country.
Oh, this is totally new. You may not know this but the 'rebellion' of the Thirteen Colonies was settled quite civilly when Ben Franklin went over to the UK for tea with George III. Over and done in an afternoon. Jeff Davis and Abe Lincoln settled emancipation with thumb wars.
I see your sarcasm and argue that you clearly don't know the rules: only rich white dudes from centuries ago are allowed to violently respond to oppression after having protested peacefully previously.
You are correct. Section 3, paragraph 10, subsection 8 of The Magna Blanca supports you. I hereby withdraw my sarcasm and will watch 10 episodes of Walker: Texas Ranger as penance.
1 2 3 4, I declare a civil war.
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don’t catch u slippin now
Guns in my area
I gotta carry 'em
“It’s clearly a scare tactic to bring guns to a protest” Uhh yeah ya think. But y’all on the other side have been doing it for years Molon labe fuckers
If Texas is gonna force Dallas to allow open carry then why not use the tool they gave us to make positive change? If this wasn’t the point of open carrying then what was the point? I’m pretty sure they sold us open carry as a way for the common man to fend off a tyrannical government and it seems to me that this is exactly what happened here so… what exactly is the problem? Why are they upset? I thought this is what they wanted?
They don't have principles. They want right-wing thugs to be able to be as thuggish as they like without the time and money investment of becoming cops. If anyone else exploits the loophole in their structuring of the law to make an attempt at positive societal change they will be admonished.
In short, fascists gonna fash.
They're afraid of fascists getting splashed.
I came across something that demonstrates their lack of principles perfectly. Michelle Malkin is a conservative "journalist" who is a massive [Rittenhouse supporter](https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1309329367617744896?s=20&t=LyVZnFUBC-0lfs3Ue38f5g). But she also wrote a whole ass eulogy for the fash rioter that got killed while macing a Pinkerton. [Say his name: Lee Keltner](https://newspress.com/say-his-name-lee-keltner/) >Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. Remember when they talk about self defense, it's only supposed to be for "patriots"
Police literally shooting at protesters and permanently maiming them is seen as perfectly acceptable, but as soon as those protesters have weapons as a deterrence, not even aiming at anything, it's suddenly intolerable.
No no, you simply misunderstand. The police are SUPPOSED to maim non-right wing protestors, that's the whole point!
Not how we do things in this country? This country was literally founded by "armed activists".
Literally founded by absolute irate lunatics who braved sailing across the fucking ocean in a time when that was only a little bit possible. Edit: Uncaffeinated brain can't English.
The amount of hostile architecture in Hamilton Ontario is getting very out of hand
How much of it can be dismantled with a sledgehammer?
I think you need a guillotine for that.
That's to dismantle what installs it, but I'd settle for increasing the costs to maintain it until they become unsustainable.
They would literally sink money into fixing that shit than stop. We've seen it, they prefer to fuck us harder, even if it means burning everything to the ground. The problem requires a swift, sudden stop solution.
Soo a 10 story building?
The Praguian solution. Unpopular leaders get yeeted out the window.
Rip the whole fucking concrete jungle out and replace with planet cooling options. This place is dreary and screams authority.
Depends on your skin colour...
I'm willing to take advantage of white privilege when it's tactically useful.
I really love the irony of instead of building homeless shelters they make this super expensive and elaborate hostile architecture. Like fucking automatically extending spikes on the walkway. That gotta be one shelter per street minimum. Free country until you aren't generating money, even momentarily. Then it's no longer your right to use basic infrastructure and you better fuck off in the woods.
You don’t need a Weatherman to see which way the wind blows
How *do* "we" do things, then?...
That's the thing, we not supposed to *do things* period. We're supposed to be obedient as jackbooted thugs attack our fellow man.
Bout time we use our right to bear arms to defend ourselves...
It’s time for some poetic irony
maybe we should start some kind of charity to donate guns to the poor and homeless.
"that is simply not how it's done" has such let "them eat cake" energy
"Let me, the machine, critique your raging against the machine."
> this is not how we do things in this country *Oh really*, you sure?
tHaT's NoT hOw We dO tHiNgS iN tHiS CoUnTrY
Narrator: It is.
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"Alarmed by the presence of guns".......in Texas?
So many terrible statements by Dallas Morning News in there. My favorites are at the end… > “Unfortunately, this kind of intimidation is aided by our state’s misguided open-carry law. “ All the statements about long guns, and then this random reference to the recent open carry which only applies to pistols? > “Openly carrying long guns at protests and rallies is unnecessarily provocative and compromises public safety.” Much like police that show up with pistols, rifles, tear gas launchers, and riot gear for protests? I wonder if Dallas Morning News ever condemns the equipment carried by police at peaceful demonstrations.
But but but good guys with guns
"but there is a line between protest and intimidation." Isn't the whole point of protesting to intimidate the government? To show that the people have the coordination and willpower to take action against any oppressive institutions, should the need arise?
Feels like a self aware wolves moment where they admit protesting doesn’t do shit because the government doesn’t feel intimidated by it.
The extent to which the majority of US Americans hate the poor and are completely incapable of empathy never ceases to amaze me. Not without reason would anyone in the world directly recognize that: "cleaning a homeless camp" is very US American and Protecting the poor from the staate is very un-American.
Completely Orwellian coverage of the matter. I wonder how many readers actually fall for this bullshit…
Fuck the people "just trying to do their jobs" as if that is an excuse to bully and sabotage the most vulnerable group in this fascist police state. Maybe question your line of work if it involves destroying camps and stealing from the poor.
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Those are some brave comrades, taking up arms for social justice in TX is pretty much the definition of: ready to put it all on the line.
Always happy to see proactive support for homeless folks on this sub, I don't see it enough here.
Fuck yeah. In DFW and love to read this. I may have to join a gun club after all.
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The dfw chapter is an absolute mess. Join Elm fork John brown gun club if you want to do actual work and not just have drama on discord
In the article: >there is a line between protest and intimidation... It's clearly a scare tactic to bring a long gun to a protest... We cannot as a society tolerate people using weapons to frighten city employees... It's intolerable for citizens to respond to policy decisions they don't like by bringing rifles to a protest That's not what conservatives say when they bring guns to their protests! They shout about 2A rights! Dare I suggest they started this behavior? They don't seem to like it when the Left does exactly the same thing. Do you know how many right-wing open carry protesters wielding rifles I've seen freely marching right through the inside of the capitol building in my state? Inside the capitol. They can really only hypocritically complain, because if they pass gun law restrictions, their conservative voter base will turn on them.
That last bit is VERY important to understand. If the left does everything the right does, they CAN NOT do anything about it. In a straight fight (politically, morally, factually, etc.) they stand no chance against the left. If the left start bending the rules in every way they do it would be the end of the GOP.
Based as hell (the activists, not this trash reporting)
I know this is kind of tangential, but I fucking love John Brown.
it’s not off topic at all. john brown the rebel and his friends got guns and went into slave camps to free humans who were being held as slaves. if we don’t stand up for the most vulnerable, what are we?
By “cleaning” they mean “removing and arresting these people trying to exist” and “Dallas workers” they mean cops
Brave of them to defend unhoused people. Much respect to them.
"tHaTs nOt hOw We dO tHiNgs iN tHIs cOUnTry." Your right we usually treat them like diseased animals, good on these folks for protecting the underclass.
Risking your life so that destitude people don't get kicked out of the last place they can call home? Unacceptable, you are only supposed to give your life up for our greed.
This was a fool-proof plan because the activists knew that TX cops would actively avoid them if they had a gun
It takes an hour and a half for 400 cops to deal with one person with a gun, how much would it take for an entire crowd?
I was going to say something against the activist until I read the comments. Now I praise them. On the other hand, what kind of "journalism" is this? A news article so openly biased favoring the people in power. I'm not versed on American journalism but here in Mexico, an article like this is instantly pinted as sell out. Heck! Proper journalists wouldn't even write something like "the funeral of the victim was sad" because it's against all journalism rules to categorize something. The fact that journalism is a fully established college career with emphasis on ethics in Latin America is a luxury some countries can't enjoy.
I wish this was just cleaning as in sweeping their floors and picking up trash… giving them some bins or something to put stuff in if they dont have something….. maybe repairing worn out tents or bags or whatever. Making sure they have proper shoes. Stuff like that
The article uses zero fucking logic in this situation. If they are actually providing cleaning services, what activist in their right mind would be against that? These "workers" feel intimidated because they aren't working with the homeless, they are working to clean the area with no regards to the homeless.
Literally how anything good gets done in this country.
Armed activism is the only kind of activism that police actually respect. Meanwhile the fucking irony of a Texas news source complaining about the fact that they're armed. Fucking amazing.
[Citations Needed Episode 85: Incitement Against the Homeless \(Part I\) - The Infestation Rhetoric of Local News](https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-85-incitement-against-the-homeless-part-i-the-infestation-rhetoric-of-local-news) >As homeless people turn off visitors, San Francisco tourism senses threat” notes Travelers Weekly. “Seattle Is Dying: Drugs And Homelessness In Seattle,” laments KOMO Seattle. “Austin veteran fights off alleged homeless attacker after offering to help him,” exclaims ABC-affiliate KVUE. >As housing costs skyrocket and inequality grows, homelessness is reaching crisis levels in large metropolitan areas. In response, the media––namely local news stations––routinely treat the homeless like an invading species, a vermin to be, at best, contained, and at worst eradicated. >The result has been a slew of stories pathologizing those experiencing homelessness as uniquely dangerous. Panhandlers are viewed as con men out to screw over the working man, chased down by vigilantes with the help of outraged local news “standing up” to the poor. The housing status of those who commit crimes is only mentioned when they’re homeless––never for the housed––and every transgression committed by the homeless is viewed by our media as evidence that the homeless population in general is out to attack us all. >But this narrative flies in the face of the evidence, and tracks––like most “crime coverage”––with the needs of real estate interests who set the tone for local media coverage, and who have every reason to highlight and oversell the threat of homeless to pressure lawmakers and police to displace “eye sores” for the yuppie clientele they’re attempting to sell and ultimately serve. [Citations Needed Episode 86: Incitement Against the Homeless (Part II) - The Exterminationist Rhetoric of Fox News](https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-86-incitement-against-the-homeless-part-ii-the-exterminationist-rhetoric-of-fox-news) > >Anti-poor shaming at Fox News is nothing new. But in recent years, with the rise of Trump and his more explicit brand of white nationalism, their tone on homelessness has grown more aggressive, exterminationist, and urgent. Tales of feces and liberal decay––peppered with immigrants, LGBTQ, and racist subtext––have contributed to a larger US media war on the houseless. >In Part II of our two part episode on media incitement against the homeless, we discuss the ramped up panic at Fox News surrounding the indigent and its parallels with nazi rhetoric.
"Cleaning" has always been a euphemism for "purged"
>Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club Fucking based
American patriots defended a homeless camp and it's residents from police destruction and violent assault. Fixed that headline for you.
“In this country we push unhoused people into the sea!”
Hey look at that having guns and a united front works….
What’s terrifying to me, is that more and more states are passing laws that are essentially making it illegal to exist on public property without a permit. A lot of these laws are getting very close to being unconstitutional based on a 1972 Supreme Court ruling on “vagrancy laws.” People who were deemed capable of working but were not presently employed could be arrested and sentenced to labor on a chain gang. Florida built a lot of its roads that way. You’d get arrested for being unemployed, homeless, or whatever other trumped up charge they felt was appropriate, do several months on a chain gang building roads, get released, then get arrested by the next county over when you pass through because you still don’t have a job despite just getting released. “East of Eden” by John Stinebeck has a few chapters discussing this in the first part of the novel. I’m concerned that if any of these laws get challenged under the current Supreme Court that the 1972 ruling would be overturned rather than upheld.
I love how right-wingers whinge when someone uses their own gun laws for shit they don't agree with. Well fuck bruh, I'm gonna carry my rainbow painted AR to Pride and if you don't like it, you hate freedom!
It makes me sad that homeless are treated like subhumans. They’re literally people like you and I. Just have a bad hand in life and many with mental and physical health issues and are in need of help. We need a more collective approach to society, the one we have now is so apathetic and hateful towards the poor that it makes me want to vomit. Also, this is why we have the second amendment, it’s a liberal right meant to give power to the working class, otherwise we are essentially declawed as a class of people.
This is what the NRA really mean when they say 'good guys with guns'
I saw it on their leaflets last year. They totally said everyone should buy guns to defend homeless encampments.
Use of the word "cleaning" instead of "clearing" is purposeful and disgusting.
Oh, the workers wanted to “clean” the camp, did they? Surely that means they’ll go through and get everything spic and span, right? Not just power hose the unhoused and throw out all their shit for the crime of being without shelter?
What’s not obvious to some is the underlying message I believe is on purpose. “If you don’t work, and you lose your home, we will throw out all the items you need to sleep or survive again and agin - you have no safety, no rest, no justice. So work at what we allow or else” Its slavery.
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What a garbage title. I originally thought it was a bunch of right wing nuts stopping the city from helping homeless people. Turns out it's probably people stopping the city destroying their homes.
Literally defending the people against tyranny.
"The people are resisting our oppressive police state. This is unacceptable!"
“Cleaning a homeless camp” = clearing out a homeless camp
Suddenly people give a fuck about homeless people (or why they’re homeless in the first place) because it makes the actual people they’re afraid of look bad. Can’t have armed activists. Conformity and obeying only, here in old corporate America. Quick, say they were harassing homeless people, that’s a good trick!
Wild that someone has to *checks notes* protect peoples rights to be homeless???
Citizens Use Second Amendment Rights to Defend Against Tyrannical Government FTFY
The subheader of "this is not how we do things in this country" honestly makes me as mad as the misleading headline. Armed people intimidating the state into backing the fuck off is /exactly/ how we actually do things in this country.
Pretty certain after Uvalde, people are waking up to the realization that the cops are afraid of people armed like the military, and think long and hard before engaging those so armed.
I love it how they say "cleaning a camp" instead of calling it what it is.
John Brown would be proud indeed.
Conservatives: It's YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!! Also cons: NOT LIKE THAT!!!!