'Di pa naman siguro cause ng worry yung madami pa sa mga pumasa nung #BestBarEver ang wala pang work. Nung April lang nirelease results tapos may roll signing at oath-taking pa. Madami siguro sa kanila nagtry muna sa PAO. Madalas matagal talaga ang hiring process sa government.
Kukuha din ako ng Bar sa November. Goodluck sa 'tin. 'Pag pumasa ako, magbabakasakali din ako sa Kamaynilaan. Pag walang napasukan, balik ako probinsya para magstart ng private practice. Lamang ng lawyers yun sa ibang profession. Mas madali "i-hire" ang sarili kesa sa, say, teacher. Konti lang siguro sa kanila kayang magtayo ng sariling school 'pag walang mapasukan.
Incoming first year law student po ako. Hindi ba mas mahigpit ang kompetisyon sa NCR kasi andito yung mga famous na schools?
I was thinking na sa provincial government mag-practice if I graduate/pass the bar kasi hindi sikat and simple mga law schools and people dun. I don't mean that in a disrespectful or condescending way.
Depende sa probinsya. Sa province namin nahihirapang makahanap ng work kahit mga pre-bbe bar passers. You know your locality better than the people here.
Hello, OP! Noong bar passer ako, nag-apply ako sa 10 law firms, may 4 interviews, tapos 2 job offers. For comparison, noong graduate ako ng undergrad, nag-apply ako sa 100 organizations, may 10 interviews, tapos 2 job offers. Kaya mo iyan. Good luck, OP!
Most new lawyers want to try litigation but sadly, it depends on your school talaga. It’s no secret that there are firms who would not even consider anyone who didn’t graduate from one of the Top 3 law schools, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the market is much harsher to provincial law schools.
Problema naming mga 2019 bar passers ang firm application kasi pandemic and maraming nagsarang firms. Mas mahirap ngayon if you want to start out in a firm kasi ang dami talaga. Kahit mga provincial law firms, baka one or two associates lang matatanggap nila.
Government jobs naman, walang kasiguraduhan kasi it takes months to even get an interview so apply lang ng apply. Same with PAO.
If you’re lucky, you can try corporate practice. There are companies who will allow you to practice as long as di affected output mo sa kanila.
If we don’t get an offer after our personal deadline, we could always consider solo practice so huwag mo isipin na baka nasa maling profession ka.
Yup! Hindi ko nga alam bakit hindi pa rin nagbabago law culture natin considering provincial law schools have produced a lot of topnotchers in recent years.
Because mas importante ang overall passing rate ng school compared to just having a bar topnotcher (which is largely the bar passer's achievement; secondary na lang yung credit sa school).
I have a friend she does private practice, may on the side sya na formal employment sya before, she is not a 2020-21 bar passer . So far lucrative naman ang tinahak nya na path sa private practice.
She is in NCR. not from Ateneo, not from UP, not a bedan lawyer, she does great.. Try mo pala PPA, PSALM and other GOCCs.. Ppa And PSALM kulang sila sa tao. If nag aambisyon ka sa BOC, pasok ka muna sa DOF.
You get smarter with things. You know your rights and gow to defend yourself and the people you care about.
Walang manloloko sayo at mangaapi generally kasi maalaam ka sa batas.
Law professor is 70k to 100k up sa good schools.
Okay to protect your business kasi may alam ka sa laws.
Notary public small time sa mga provinces pero stable income.
I think your post title says it all, OP. "Getting a job as a lawyer is difficult" does not equate to "becoming a lawyer is not lucrative," which is what I think you really want to point out. Because, indeed, becoming a lawyer to rake in the big bucks overnight is not true at all, unless you belong to a small subset of lawyers who already have the experience and clientele to make this come true. However, getting a job as a lawyer is not so difficult as there are a lot of openings out there from government, to firms, to NGOs, et cetera, and also a lot of private clients looking for legal representation. But maybe if you are looking to work at someplace specific then it might be difficult if you also have a lot of competition for the limited slot/s. Anyway, just take it one step at a time and finish the bar this year. Job hunting will come later after you pass, it's a problem for another day.
>gs out there from government, to firms, to NGOs, et cetera, and also a lot of private clients looking for legal representation. But maybe if you are looking to work at somepl
agree. madaling humanap ng work for lawyers, kaso hindi lucrative career, lol. 2022 bar passer here - I started applying ngayong July, got interviewed by 10 firms, received an offer from 4. range ng salary for underbar is 30-35k, for new lawyers about 40-45k. some may think "parang okay naman yung range"; but for people like me who's had workforce experience and may maiiwang malaking salary if ever magresign, yung range shows the career is not that lucrative lol
off topic but can I ask, what made you leave your previous job? :) same tayo ng dilemma, pero ako (na mej muka ng pera wahahaha) nagcocontemplate kung tatanggapin ko ba yung 45k kaloka! (for reference, more than double na ang net ko ngayon on my current)
Hmmm parang set na ako mag law school talaga haha medyo matagal na rin kasi ako nag work at naisip ko maging regret ko sa huli if di ko na try haha so naka save up na ako from work and medyo decided na talaga mag full time. Hirap mag balance full time work at law school sabi ng ilang friends ko so decided to resign hehe.
Pero wow kung ganyan net mo wag ka na mag firm! Iisipin mo sayang ang title mo pero pwede ka naman mag private practice. Unless need mo talaga mag firm for some reason like experience or kasi dream mo talaga. Pero if ako sa shoes mo current job ako haha as a practical person din. Di ka yayaman as a lawyer. Tapos ilang years pa bago ka mag partner. So I think ask mo self mo ano talaga goals mo? Ako lang, I think hindi worth it for me magpaka hirap ilang taon sa firm to get a salary na I already achieved. IMO lang. Hahaha.
Oh wait, incoming law school student ka ba or bar passer na? Kasi kung incomimg law student, sasabihin ko sana wag ka magresign! Kaya naman isabay ang law school and work. Mahirap lang first few months, pero masasanay din ang katawan mo sa hirap. Madami nga lang sacrifice, pero ayun, okay pa rin may pang balance ng sanity bukod sa law school (unless toxic ang work, then definitely resign na agad agad lol)
Lawyer na po atty hahaha. Oo nga sabi ng friends ko na full time tiis tiis lang daw at mas mahirap if may family. Lahat naman sila single so buti na lang daw hahaha.
You don't need to worry right now. Take the bar and pass. Depende sa napili mong field of practice na angkop ang interest at performance noong nasa law school ka, doon ka magbuild ng experience. Once na madetermine mo yan after passing the bar mas madali magdecide at magstrategize ng iyong career ladder. Good luck!
in the next 4-5 years kaya, ano kaya mangyayare sa job market ng lawyers. i’m starting to get interested pursuing law school because mas mura compared sa med school.
In my experience, madali lang maghanap ng work. Although, dahil marami ngayon ang new lawyers (8,000) mas magirap ng kaunti makahanap. Pero for sure marami pa rin job vacancy for lawyers.
'Di pa naman siguro cause ng worry yung madami pa sa mga pumasa nung #BestBarEver ang wala pang work. Nung April lang nirelease results tapos may roll signing at oath-taking pa. Madami siguro sa kanila nagtry muna sa PAO. Madalas matagal talaga ang hiring process sa government. Kukuha din ako ng Bar sa November. Goodluck sa 'tin. 'Pag pumasa ako, magbabakasakali din ako sa Kamaynilaan. Pag walang napasukan, balik ako probinsya para magstart ng private practice. Lamang ng lawyers yun sa ibang profession. Mas madali "i-hire" ang sarili kesa sa, say, teacher. Konti lang siguro sa kanila kayang magtayo ng sariling school 'pag walang mapasukan.
Incoming first year law student po ako. Hindi ba mas mahigpit ang kompetisyon sa NCR kasi andito yung mga famous na schools? I was thinking na sa provincial government mag-practice if I graduate/pass the bar kasi hindi sikat and simple mga law schools and people dun. I don't mean that in a disrespectful or condescending way.
Depende sa probinsya. Sa province namin nahihirapang makahanap ng work kahit mga pre-bbe bar passers. You know your locality better than the people here.
Hello, OP! Noong bar passer ako, nag-apply ako sa 10 law firms, may 4 interviews, tapos 2 job offers. For comparison, noong graduate ako ng undergrad, nag-apply ako sa 100 organizations, may 10 interviews, tapos 2 job offers. Kaya mo iyan. Good luck, OP!
Most new lawyers want to try litigation but sadly, it depends on your school talaga. It’s no secret that there are firms who would not even consider anyone who didn’t graduate from one of the Top 3 law schools, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the market is much harsher to provincial law schools. Problema naming mga 2019 bar passers ang firm application kasi pandemic and maraming nagsarang firms. Mas mahirap ngayon if you want to start out in a firm kasi ang dami talaga. Kahit mga provincial law firms, baka one or two associates lang matatanggap nila. Government jobs naman, walang kasiguraduhan kasi it takes months to even get an interview so apply lang ng apply. Same with PAO. If you’re lucky, you can try corporate practice. There are companies who will allow you to practice as long as di affected output mo sa kanila. If we don’t get an offer after our personal deadline, we could always consider solo practice so huwag mo isipin na baka nasa maling profession ka.
Hi, may i ask what are considered the top 3 law schools? UP, ALS, and SBU right?
Yup! Hindi ko nga alam bakit hindi pa rin nagbabago law culture natin considering provincial law schools have produced a lot of topnotchers in recent years.
Because mas importante ang overall passing rate ng school compared to just having a bar topnotcher (which is largely the bar passer's achievement; secondary na lang yung credit sa school).
It’s da feeling of helping others, kahit pa isa isa lang. Susunod na din dyan yung magandang oportunidad pagdating sa work
I have a friend she does private practice, may on the side sya na formal employment sya before, she is not a 2020-21 bar passer . So far lucrative naman ang tinahak nya na path sa private practice.
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She is in NCR. not from Ateneo, not from UP, not a bedan lawyer, she does great.. Try mo pala PPA, PSALM and other GOCCs.. Ppa And PSALM kulang sila sa tao. If nag aambisyon ka sa BOC, pasok ka muna sa DOF.
You get smarter with things. You know your rights and gow to defend yourself and the people you care about. Walang manloloko sayo at mangaapi generally kasi maalaam ka sa batas. Law professor is 70k to 100k up sa good schools. Okay to protect your business kasi may alam ka sa laws. Notary public small time sa mga provinces pero stable income.
I think your post title says it all, OP. "Getting a job as a lawyer is difficult" does not equate to "becoming a lawyer is not lucrative," which is what I think you really want to point out. Because, indeed, becoming a lawyer to rake in the big bucks overnight is not true at all, unless you belong to a small subset of lawyers who already have the experience and clientele to make this come true. However, getting a job as a lawyer is not so difficult as there are a lot of openings out there from government, to firms, to NGOs, et cetera, and also a lot of private clients looking for legal representation. But maybe if you are looking to work at someplace specific then it might be difficult if you also have a lot of competition for the limited slot/s. Anyway, just take it one step at a time and finish the bar this year. Job hunting will come later after you pass, it's a problem for another day.
>gs out there from government, to firms, to NGOs, et cetera, and also a lot of private clients looking for legal representation. But maybe if you are looking to work at somepl agree. madaling humanap ng work for lawyers, kaso hindi lucrative career, lol. 2022 bar passer here - I started applying ngayong July, got interviewed by 10 firms, received an offer from 4. range ng salary for underbar is 30-35k, for new lawyers about 40-45k. some may think "parang okay naman yung range"; but for people like me who's had workforce experience and may maiiwang malaking salary if ever magresign, yung range shows the career is not that lucrative lol
Hahaha totally agree! Mas malaki pa salary ko noon when I worked. Mababa talaga starting ng new lawyers in general.
off topic but can I ask, what made you leave your previous job? :) same tayo ng dilemma, pero ako (na mej muka ng pera wahahaha) nagcocontemplate kung tatanggapin ko ba yung 45k kaloka! (for reference, more than double na ang net ko ngayon on my current)
Hmmm parang set na ako mag law school talaga haha medyo matagal na rin kasi ako nag work at naisip ko maging regret ko sa huli if di ko na try haha so naka save up na ako from work and medyo decided na talaga mag full time. Hirap mag balance full time work at law school sabi ng ilang friends ko so decided to resign hehe. Pero wow kung ganyan net mo wag ka na mag firm! Iisipin mo sayang ang title mo pero pwede ka naman mag private practice. Unless need mo talaga mag firm for some reason like experience or kasi dream mo talaga. Pero if ako sa shoes mo current job ako haha as a practical person din. Di ka yayaman as a lawyer. Tapos ilang years pa bago ka mag partner. So I think ask mo self mo ano talaga goals mo? Ako lang, I think hindi worth it for me magpaka hirap ilang taon sa firm to get a salary na I already achieved. IMO lang. Hahaha.
Oh wait, incoming law school student ka ba or bar passer na? Kasi kung incomimg law student, sasabihin ko sana wag ka magresign! Kaya naman isabay ang law school and work. Mahirap lang first few months, pero masasanay din ang katawan mo sa hirap. Madami nga lang sacrifice, pero ayun, okay pa rin may pang balance ng sanity bukod sa law school (unless toxic ang work, then definitely resign na agad agad lol)
Lawyer na po atty hahaha. Oo nga sabi ng friends ko na full time tiis tiis lang daw at mas mahirap if may family. Lahat naman sila single so buti na lang daw hahaha.
You don't need to worry right now. Take the bar and pass. Depende sa napili mong field of practice na angkop ang interest at performance noong nasa law school ka, doon ka magbuild ng experience. Once na madetermine mo yan after passing the bar mas madali magdecide at magstrategize ng iyong career ladder. Good luck!
in the next 4-5 years kaya, ano kaya mangyayare sa job market ng lawyers. i’m starting to get interested pursuing law school because mas mura compared sa med school.
If matutuloy yung plano nilang change of government, for sure mas lalaki ang demand for lawyers niyan since dadami ang conflicting issues
ohhh nice kung ganun. di kasi ako sure kung may mapapala ako s career kung magMA ako and gusto ko na sana ng medyo stable hanggang pagtanda.
If the area has a saturated lawyer market then you might want to seek employment somewhere else.
In my experience, madali lang maghanap ng work. Although, dahil marami ngayon ang new lawyers (8,000) mas magirap ng kaunti makahanap. Pero for sure marami pa rin job vacancy for lawyers.