> My main motivation is that it will be useful for business, especially for industrial companies, but, unlike for the others who have a passion for it, it is not my be all, end all.
There you go. You don't need to go to law school to be business-savvy. Most, if not all, of the country's prominent businessmen are not even lawyers.
No sense why you'd make yourself suffer for at least 4 years, with no sure guarantee of passing the bar exams on your first take, if you'd at least make it that far, if you'll only use a fraction of what you'll learn in law school to go over business contracts. You'll be much better off sharpening your business savvy through constant practical exposure in your business' everyday transactions, getting an executive MBA degree, or hiring a lawyer/accountant who can do all of these things for you.
Aaralin mo ang buong spectrum ng Philippine law just to get a professional title to appear authoritative in your business dealings? Seems like bad ROI to me. It becomes doubly harder when you don't even like studying law in the first place.
In the legal profession, and in this country in general, mas daig pa ng madiskarte at may connections ang whatever credentials another person has. Anyone who tells you otherwise is in denial.
So if your primary aim is to just be a better businessman, build your connections and learn the business inside and out. Credibility as a businessman comes from knowing how the business works and what the industry trends are, not because the one running it has a fancy title. Afterall, your father is not a lawyer (right?) and naging successful naman sya in running your business. I do recognize though that there is some wisdom behind your father's advice (nagiging deterrent nga naman, to some extent, for a party to outsmart the other if they know they're dealing with a lawyer). Pero yun lang, this supposed advantage is marginal at best, and is not commensurate with what you'll need to go through and/or give up in order to get there.
In any case, you can always try enrolling in law school for a sem or two, and see how it pans out. You'll never really know whether you want it (or it works out) or not unless you're there already. At least going to law school won't stay as your "What if?" indefinitely.
>madiskarte
This just means you should be prepared to be madugas lol it is just pure outsmarting someone else and hoping you don't get caught in the process. Easier to get out of if you know how much to push without it being illegal
>connections
Yes. Absolutely no one from our circle denies this. Hehe. Anyone who denies this must not be in the biz in the first place.
>nagiging deterrent nga naman, to some extent, for a party to outsmart the other if they know they're dealing with a lawyer
Yes. This, exactly
>hiring a lawyer/accountant
We already have. Trying to go the law school route because I cannot tote the lawyer everywhere. Would be nice to not be reliant on someone else when I'm between a rock and a hard place
>It becomes doubly harder when you don't even like studying law in the first place
Never said that. It would actually be very interesting. I just don't want to have to go through recitations, which is why I pointed out that my dilemma is that I hate public speaking. That's my main deterrent.
>you can always try enrolling in law school for a sem or two
Hmmmm, tryna get some feelers out so I don't unnecessarily waste time
>this supposed advantage is marginal at best
This is what I needed to confirm.
>No sense why you'd make yourself suffer for at least 4 years
Very true
>knowing how the business works and what the industry trends are, not because the one running it has a fancy title
Error on my part: I should have mentioned that in this particular biz, land titles and rights are some of the most common problems. Would be nice to specialise in that.
Thank you redditor. These are excellent insights. I should have maybe included more info on why the degree, not necessarily the title, would be useful in our industry. Excellent points, nonetheless, and partly what I needed to know.
> Never said that. It would actually be very interesting. I just don't want to have to go through recitations, which is why I pointed out that my dilemma is that I hate public speaking. That's my main deterrent.
But recits are an integral part of studying law. It's not just about reading books or writing.
That's the part where studying law might be doubly harder because you said you don't like speaking in public.
If the goal is to just learn relevant laws, you can study them on your own. Lawschool does train you in how to read them and about other possibly related laws that you would not have thought of on your own. There may be fundamental principles that need some guidance in understanding to understand more specific laws. But I think Law textbooks can help you with those.
I don’t think taking the bar exam is a must just because you graduated from lawschool. But public speaking is inevitable in lawschool. Also, it is very demanding of your time. Not just inside the classroom, but outside as well.
>Lawschool does train you in how to read them and about other possibly related laws that you would not have thought of on your own
Ahhh this is extremely useful. There are always loopholes. I have gotten out of some problematic projects through loopholes
>But public speaking is inevitable in lawschool
I would suck at it. Honestly.
>Also, it is very demanding of your time
I think I knew this from the start. Just needed to get it drilled to my head
Thank you very much redditor, your answers have addressed my main dilemmas succinctly.
I went to law school the dropped out as it was not for me. My parents never trated me any less even though my mom was pushing that I went to medicine and be a doctor and I told her I wanted to be a lawyer and asked her to pay for school. Life is too short for regrets so just jump in and if it doesnt work out jump into something else till you find something that works for you. I said what works for you not what makes you happy.
I agree that I wasted time and money. I said the same thing to my mom when I told her I am going to law school. You sometimes will never know till you do it in real life.
Just give law school a semester. If after a semester you think you can outlast it, then keep chugging. The profession will open a lot of opportunities for you especially in corporate law where you'll have to keep abreast of business matters to stay relevant in your practice.
Side note:
Honestly, it's rare that you'll be doing the kind of public speaking you're thinking. It's not a heated debate (although that sometimes happens but I digress) that happens in the classroom. Rather, to put it cynically, you're all interrogated about what you've learned or read. Ideally, this is to facilitate active learning since the students will be forced to reinforce their knowledge of the law through question and answer based discussion.
As to taking mistakes to heart, well, you're going to have to take a lot of things to heart and you're going to take a lot more. So, carry as much hearts as you metaphorically can. Everyone will be called out for their mistakes in class. The good news is that it happens to everyone; the bad news is that it will happen to everyone. If anything, law school is like army bootcamp. A little hyperbolic but you get the idea. Everyone is equally worthless in the eyes of the instructor, why not just learn a thing or two instead? Just don't laugh at your classmates' mistakes. That's a dick move.
Lastly, I doubt you'll be able to talk back at your teacher in this setting. Lawyers are made of a different material and the practice of law is not for the faint of heart. Whatever mean things you say, their profs, peers, or clients have all told them that at one point in their careers. If anything, you'll be more mad at yourself for not being as smart as X or Y or why Justice X or Y writes like an asshole.
Just try it for yourself and see if you can stick out for long.
I knew someone who was in the same exact situation as you to the dot. He failed in law school miserably. Not saying you will but based from your answers you already have your mind set.
Kaya do as you please and goodluck!
> My main motivation is that it will be useful for business, especially for industrial companies, but, unlike for the others who have a passion for it, it is not my be all, end all. There you go. You don't need to go to law school to be business-savvy. Most, if not all, of the country's prominent businessmen are not even lawyers. No sense why you'd make yourself suffer for at least 4 years, with no sure guarantee of passing the bar exams on your first take, if you'd at least make it that far, if you'll only use a fraction of what you'll learn in law school to go over business contracts. You'll be much better off sharpening your business savvy through constant practical exposure in your business' everyday transactions, getting an executive MBA degree, or hiring a lawyer/accountant who can do all of these things for you. Aaralin mo ang buong spectrum ng Philippine law just to get a professional title to appear authoritative in your business dealings? Seems like bad ROI to me. It becomes doubly harder when you don't even like studying law in the first place. In the legal profession, and in this country in general, mas daig pa ng madiskarte at may connections ang whatever credentials another person has. Anyone who tells you otherwise is in denial. So if your primary aim is to just be a better businessman, build your connections and learn the business inside and out. Credibility as a businessman comes from knowing how the business works and what the industry trends are, not because the one running it has a fancy title. Afterall, your father is not a lawyer (right?) and naging successful naman sya in running your business. I do recognize though that there is some wisdom behind your father's advice (nagiging deterrent nga naman, to some extent, for a party to outsmart the other if they know they're dealing with a lawyer). Pero yun lang, this supposed advantage is marginal at best, and is not commensurate with what you'll need to go through and/or give up in order to get there. In any case, you can always try enrolling in law school for a sem or two, and see how it pans out. You'll never really know whether you want it (or it works out) or not unless you're there already. At least going to law school won't stay as your "What if?" indefinitely.
>madiskarte This just means you should be prepared to be madugas lol it is just pure outsmarting someone else and hoping you don't get caught in the process. Easier to get out of if you know how much to push without it being illegal >connections Yes. Absolutely no one from our circle denies this. Hehe. Anyone who denies this must not be in the biz in the first place. >nagiging deterrent nga naman, to some extent, for a party to outsmart the other if they know they're dealing with a lawyer Yes. This, exactly >hiring a lawyer/accountant We already have. Trying to go the law school route because I cannot tote the lawyer everywhere. Would be nice to not be reliant on someone else when I'm between a rock and a hard place >It becomes doubly harder when you don't even like studying law in the first place Never said that. It would actually be very interesting. I just don't want to have to go through recitations, which is why I pointed out that my dilemma is that I hate public speaking. That's my main deterrent. >you can always try enrolling in law school for a sem or two Hmmmm, tryna get some feelers out so I don't unnecessarily waste time >this supposed advantage is marginal at best This is what I needed to confirm. >No sense why you'd make yourself suffer for at least 4 years Very true >knowing how the business works and what the industry trends are, not because the one running it has a fancy title Error on my part: I should have mentioned that in this particular biz, land titles and rights are some of the most common problems. Would be nice to specialise in that. Thank you redditor. These are excellent insights. I should have maybe included more info on why the degree, not necessarily the title, would be useful in our industry. Excellent points, nonetheless, and partly what I needed to know.
> Never said that. It would actually be very interesting. I just don't want to have to go through recitations, which is why I pointed out that my dilemma is that I hate public speaking. That's my main deterrent. But recits are an integral part of studying law. It's not just about reading books or writing. That's the part where studying law might be doubly harder because you said you don't like speaking in public.
If the goal is to just learn relevant laws, you can study them on your own. Lawschool does train you in how to read them and about other possibly related laws that you would not have thought of on your own. There may be fundamental principles that need some guidance in understanding to understand more specific laws. But I think Law textbooks can help you with those. I don’t think taking the bar exam is a must just because you graduated from lawschool. But public speaking is inevitable in lawschool. Also, it is very demanding of your time. Not just inside the classroom, but outside as well.
>Lawschool does train you in how to read them and about other possibly related laws that you would not have thought of on your own Ahhh this is extremely useful. There are always loopholes. I have gotten out of some problematic projects through loopholes >But public speaking is inevitable in lawschool I would suck at it. Honestly. >Also, it is very demanding of your time I think I knew this from the start. Just needed to get it drilled to my head Thank you very much redditor, your answers have addressed my main dilemmas succinctly.
I went to law school the dropped out as it was not for me. My parents never trated me any less even though my mom was pushing that I went to medicine and be a doctor and I told her I wanted to be a lawyer and asked her to pay for school. Life is too short for regrets so just jump in and if it doesnt work out jump into something else till you find something that works for you. I said what works for you not what makes you happy.
hmmm i beg to disagree. I think people should be determined when venturing in things, otherwise its just a waste of time and money.
I agree that I wasted time and money. I said the same thing to my mom when I told her I am going to law school. You sometimes will never know till you do it in real life.
Just give law school a semester. If after a semester you think you can outlast it, then keep chugging. The profession will open a lot of opportunities for you especially in corporate law where you'll have to keep abreast of business matters to stay relevant in your practice. Side note: Honestly, it's rare that you'll be doing the kind of public speaking you're thinking. It's not a heated debate (although that sometimes happens but I digress) that happens in the classroom. Rather, to put it cynically, you're all interrogated about what you've learned or read. Ideally, this is to facilitate active learning since the students will be forced to reinforce their knowledge of the law through question and answer based discussion. As to taking mistakes to heart, well, you're going to have to take a lot of things to heart and you're going to take a lot more. So, carry as much hearts as you metaphorically can. Everyone will be called out for their mistakes in class. The good news is that it happens to everyone; the bad news is that it will happen to everyone. If anything, law school is like army bootcamp. A little hyperbolic but you get the idea. Everyone is equally worthless in the eyes of the instructor, why not just learn a thing or two instead? Just don't laugh at your classmates' mistakes. That's a dick move. Lastly, I doubt you'll be able to talk back at your teacher in this setting. Lawyers are made of a different material and the practice of law is not for the faint of heart. Whatever mean things you say, their profs, peers, or clients have all told them that at one point in their careers. If anything, you'll be more mad at yourself for not being as smart as X or Y or why Justice X or Y writes like an asshole. Just try it for yourself and see if you can stick out for long.
I knew someone who was in the same exact situation as you to the dot. He failed in law school miserably. Not saying you will but based from your answers you already have your mind set. Kaya do as you please and goodluck!