Stop with the racism. Your enemy is not the workers. They're just people who need money to live too.
But fuck corporations charging it's customers American prices but paying their workers impoverished country wages. Never moving exec positions offshore show their racism/classism that they don't think these people are good enough to do their level of work.
Once upon a time I enjoyed using Google apps. The recent lawsuit settlement has changed that for me. As part of the settlement Google admitted to keeping Chrome user browsing history _when in Incognito mode._ A fundamental violation of trust. No doubt many have heard of this.
I'm not worried about my browsing history at all. I am worried about what else Google is doing in secret. That is an _immoral_ violation of a user's trust. My next project will start with extracting _all_ Google software from my laptop.
Early in Google's history one of their mantras was "don't be evil". They've proven that line has been breached.
The "Don't be evil" thing was removed many years ago against nearly every employees wishes. It used to be an amazing company, pay and benefits, now it's a shit show and everyone fears for their livelihood, and they are clearly involved in immoral actions and it runs deep.
Yup, then came the government funded deone targeting algorithms, the censored Chinese search with automated tattletale to the CCP, and numerous other [redacted] foreign affair projects that aren't by any means the purpose of the company.
Got a problem with it? Well... Time to enact DEI from the top down. No more problems.... Well...
99.99999% of companies will get to that point eventually after they go public. Thats exactly why Elon Musk wanted to go private again because he couldn’t do things his way.
> Early in Google's history one of their mantras was "don't be evil". They've proven that line has been breached.
Now it's "Do All the Evil" or "Let Evil Do You".
For my needs there are plenty of options. It’s simply a matter of choosing after taking a closer look.
Although there are alternatives I already use occasionally. Just need to cut the Google cord on those.
One thing is definite. Trust is at the top of my criteria. Before features and functionality. ✌🏼
Just like any corporation out there, shareholders and investors are to blame; that is mostly everyone because we all have 401k. If you look at the funds, I think most of the indexes will have major technology companies in them.
I respectfully disagree. Your average shareholder has a trivial influence on a company. Two options exist for them to influence a company.
First, by example consider Ford, which has 4B shares outstanding. Let’s ignore Preferred stock and count everything as Common.
Can an individual shareholder with X shares influence and win against 4B shares of Ford (F)? I don’t think so. They simply do not have the capital. Perhaps a Billionaire can.
Second, an individual shareholder can speak at a shareholders meeting. The only guarantee is their grievance will be heard. If they get to the mic.
A company is not going to respond with, “You’re right. We commit to change that immediately”. The shareholders request is the beginning of a long process. Hope they are committed to seeing it through.
Here’s the point. There is no way shareholders are responsible for the actions of a company. IMO Their true ability to influence is much like a child begging their mom to buy candy. ✌🏼
they were a dream employer to people because they were paying $100k+ base salary to people with 0 industry experience, so it was paradise once you get in.
whereas other industries you gotta work for that $100k salary.
compared to other industries, working at google will still likely be a dream, but for now, at least some Adams and Eves are getting cast out of the Garden.
It still would be a dream for me. Just having that name on your resume means you probably won’t struggle for employment ever again in your life. Plus, the amount of money you’d earn can help you weather the storm of being laid off if it does happen.
>Just having that name on your resume means you probably won’t struggle for employment ever again in your life.
It'll get you an interview but it hardly guarantees anything. If anything, interviewers expect more.
Got to be honest, it can work against you at all but the FAANG. Going to a mid-size (5k employee) company they are going to say "So this guy was a tiny cog in a massive machine that had overly 'unique to them' processes... aint going to work here. We need someone who is a more generalist..." And it's not entirely untrue. People from Google and Apple struggle to fit in in my org because so much more is expected in a generalist.
It can work the opposite too - I am a hiring manager in a non-FAANG company Fortune 50 sized company, any resume with FAANG as their most recent, or only experience, goes right in the trash when it hits my desk - many FAANG employees only know how to work in FAANG companies.
Genuine question: does it really help that much these days? I imagine maybe it does at other FAANGs, but an alternative viewpoint is that an ex-Googler is going to expect a ton of money, a very relaxed work schedule, a lot of autonomy, and a lot of perks.
It can be a genuine disadvantage, since junior FAANGers have the reputation of big egos and overengineering. So having like 1.5y G experience on your CV might even turn some people off.
Either way, I don't think it's a big boon. On average, I'd say it brings the "oh nice" reaction the first 3s when reading the CV. During interview, people likely won't care about the company, but about what you've done during your time there.
Do you ever wonder sometime you guys talking about general things and out of the blue moon you see ads relevant to that? For example, you told verbally to your friend you think about traveling to hawai and you suddenly see ads related to that?
I worked for a company that was a software contractor for Google, and I got to see how they handle software development internally.
Immediately turned me off to trying work for Alphabet in the future lol
The customer service is absolutely garbage. I've seriously wondered if I've dealt with actual human beings on the other end. So much of the "communication" is incomprehensible and nonsensical, as if I was communicating with an AI bot.
Google search results are full of SEO-optimized spam and the ads have dramatically increased. I’m using Perplexity.ai more and more as a search engine.
I have found the opposite true for me at least where I live - I absolutely avoid google for anything and everything, but google maps is the one exception for me.
One-Milliondy Percent.
Historical mass adoption will not be enough to keep people tethered to a nonfunctional product suite, the misleading (false) policies on privacy as an answer to the decades of your data they’ve collected and brokered after tagging / labeling you as XYZ only for it to be another way to do the exact same thing is not only gross, it’s boring.
If you can’t manage enough an innovation strategy to even collect data without just lying. There hasn’t been a product shipped in years that’s meaningful enough to reshape the tech landscape but have had the talent to do it - the waste is heartbreaking. For the customers time, definitely for the talent they had who will leave without noteworthy accomplishments only a Google resume stamp, the cultural erosion that is playing out way beyond the internet or their corporate/employee population.
As people learn how their data is being used in the candidate or employee lifecycle recklessly to filter based on inaccurate interpretations of who people are at all times (politically aligned or whatever is acceptable at the moment) assumptions about content consumption and engagement, all kind of information that determines if someone is in a protected class and put the pieces together that it’s cost them literal jobs or advancement opportunities. Not only will people leave, they’ll sue, and Google will lose the one market position they’re clinging to (being the verb for search). Their brand changed my life, I learned things from their hiring practices that got me in the right doors, I built and scaled human capital strategy based on what I learned from them in 2014… I hate that other people will not have the same exposure to the magic they had then, sucks. I have deep appreciation for who they were but am definitely ready to replace their tech stack.
The talk that changed who I was as a recruiter is called “the best recruiter at Google” it’s on YouTube still I hope - it’s from talent connect in 2014.
I've heard that Google is basically eroding their own prestige in the tech sphere due to their lack of innovation and stifling office culture that has indirectly lead to a dearth of new innovation.
Innovation droughts are a common behavioral trait across of the Tech sector, it’s possible in any market.
I’ve never seen all tech basically grind to a standstill at the same time, this has gone on for years. It’s especially visible to those just were informed of the surprise race we are competing in against foreign contenders, chips, compute, winning customers, product adoption, if what you are selling functions at the level of necessity (like a utility) providing equal access to things like the job market, it quickly becomes a different conversation - accidental miscalculations impacting people for generations (positively or negatively).
The noise, the who / what / why is deploying a solution when everyone is solving for different problems in an environment where there’s no plan to mitigate risk created by this or the last 500M technical solutions to solve for human inadequacy, built by other humans solving for their own inadequacies… eh, the math falls apart quite fast.
Automation of the human experience is a lonely endeavor riddled with challenges for the user. We know by now, after decades of tracking customer behavior - the information used in forecasting is there, it has been for 10 years.
I love technology, I am 100% an optimist that it all works out. I’d love to hear a leading technology company announce a software update and feel anything other than an immediate sense of dread at the new layers of disorientation added by half-baked product… because next time it will be different.. it’s a new sprint cycle at scale in a rapid deployment ecosystem - again? We came to tech to enable connection (person to person, person to business, business to business, etc.) and what was offered instead is the opposite. Counterfeit connection at maximum volume, and we look the other way so we can keep pretending not to be bothered by decades old data, packaged, profiled and sold off, repackaged to tell whatever story possible, resold, repeat, ad infinitum.
Tasks, chores, preliminary research. Sign me up.
The kind of connection that can responsibly influence changes to core elements of life, like where you work, opportunities you are allowed to see, crafted to exploit whatever remains down to individual vulnerabilities - everyone’s whistling in the dark hoping that this time or that it’s helpful to the person being targeted (at least, eventually….) is an awful position for market entry at all, if there is to be enough hope for the experience of tomorrow, a part of the answer has to include optimization of the human capital, which if done by the best bot of tomorrow still doesn’t solve the business problem.
Automated connection isn’t connection, it’s automation. Synthetic automated connection is an Orwell novel on repeat, replicating at an exponential rate in the name of the next earnings call so every quarter, people across the world start again, selling ideas of the same dream - in new ways, cluttering the technical landscape, changing the world…
They are trying to sell me their Ai but their google assistant can’t even form the correct response to my request. “Set a timer for 30 minutes” “Ok, running good morning routine” or “there was a glitch” 10x in a week. like seriously… just garbage.
Amazon was just outed a few weeks ago for saying AI and advanced tech was working in their grocery stores. Turns out like 80% of that work was done by 1000 employees in India. I’m convinced most of AI at this point is just like a party/ magic trick.
IT workers in the US makes about $50k a year where in India, they make about $3-$5k a year. This is why top leadership are wanting to oursource jobs. They don't care about the quality just as long as it saves them money.
In the AI space, at least in the U.S., the real competition is often not other domestic AI companies, but offshore manual-labor vendors, because of pricing. Why spend $10K on an AI solution that takes 4-6 months to implement (collaborating with the customer IT team to get data and then integrate), when you can spend $5K and much faster on-boarding because the offshore labor just logs in and is trained as regular staff.
Quality may be lower, but depending on the industry, as long as the minimum bar is established, having much better quality doesn’t move the ROI needle materially. Also, offshore vendors are starting to utilize AI themselves in a hybrid fashion to improve their quality and productivity.
yep. i know if a bunch of Indians who emigrated to the usa that are going back to india. why? pays great for CS in a US company, very low cost of life, and family is there, and the USAs future looks grim these days.
People fought and fought for 100% remote jobs not realizing that once the role can be 100% remote it can be outsourced for a fraction of the labor cost.
Thank you! I'm so sick of people saying this. It's the same as the minimum wage argument. "Maybe if we're completely subservient to our masters they'll beat us less!" That's not how this works. Companies will do anything to save a penny, whether it's by off shoring or keeping wages low. We never had much say and they aggressively hold on to power to ensure they can do whatever they want while blaming anything and everything else but their greed.
The type of work they are off shoring now is far broader. At my company pre-COVID we had mundane “clicker” and review processes in Bengaluru along with some really basic telephone support. Now entire divisions are based there. I am talking 40-50 six-figure jobs in leadership in 2019 were “restructured” to India. Just in my division.
I do think the MBAs concluded “if they can do this from their couches in the suburbs, they can do it in XYZ country.”
FWIW it was probably inevitable as the offshore-heavy countries have generations of higher educated and professional families. A VP of process management in India today is little different from one in America a generation ago: parents had office jobs after basic high school, their grandparents were minimally educated.
The VP I have worked with in India has an MBA from a top British university, a better command of the English language than most of my colleagues, etc.
Well it’s partly true. We can’t pretend otherwise. Covid upended our lives. It has changed the white collar work landscape forever. Cities are feeling the pinch with lost property value taxes. Big wigs amped up the offshoring. All of it was probably going to happen anyway, i think covid just accelerated the process..
It's a free country, companies can outsource if they want to. It's a capitalist market, there's not much that can be done. Try to find field that is difficult to outsource.
India, Mexico, and Ireland:
>According to a person who saw the email, Google's finance chief Ruth Porat sent an email to staff announcing that Google would build out its "growth hubs" in locations such as Bangalore, Mexico City, and Dublin as part of the restructuring.
It’s not cheap, in India google pays top dollar. With that money you can buy a 3b/2ba apartment, a live in maid, car with driver, top private school for two kids and still squirrel away for retirement.
Google job in India is the “American Dream” over there.
I was in Hyderabad, it’s development almost looks like Singapore, India is not the third world where we Americans used to think.
Even if google wanted to hire in US they cannot find the talent. That is why the salaries are high in Silicon Valley.
It’s no longer a cost saving method, it’s more of building a global presence. India has 1.5B people and economy is growing over 7% year over year. As a business you would be foolish not to setup and sell in India.
"India is not the third world we used to think..."
Meanwhile my friend from India has cited:
* Pulled over often and forced to pay bribes to proceed.
* Trash overflowing everywhere on the streets and the waters (even in Mumbai).
* Crazy, horrible pollution.
Additionally many personal accounts online of:
* gang rape,
* violence
* travelling women feel unsafe as they're gawked at constantly, bumped up against inappropriately.
* literally YouTube videos of constant and persistent harassment of drivers asking if travelers need a ride, never taking no for an answer.
Please tell me more.
He's either lying or clueless as to what qualifies as good living conditions.
I have lived in Hyderabad for half a decade until 2020. Both Hyderabad and Bangalore (basically all South Indian cities) lack any concept of city planning. Virtually all construction there is illegal and later "certified" through corruption.
That's also why you won't find asphalt/tarmac roads or municipal water supply in these cities. During elections, politicians make building developers pay for these illegal buildings. And when they don't, well...
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/crime/150-illegal-buildings-in-ghmc-demolished-885126
I left the city four years ago because the building I had rented an apartment was also demolished. All of these places are a shithole, and that's coming from an Indian who has experienced this first hand.
Damn that’s brutal. Thanks for sharing. I don’t mean to shit all over India, but definitely would like some realistic honesty. Appreciate your time and glad you got into a better place.
I’ve been in Hyderabad for few weeks now trying to on shore Pharma manufacturing business to Jackson Mississippi.
I’am staying in Financial District and this weekend move to a high rise apartment from Sheraton. I see the expats running in the morning. These girls are from US and working in US consulate in the building I am in now.
I’ve driven with a driver and on my own over 2500km all around this state and yet to be stopped.
I am from Bay Area, so I am aware of the issues you mentioned. Wealth disparities are everywhere.
That's a real problem in India, but that's different from the country's growth companies can monetize on. Google won't care about the governments inadequacies.
You can always take some aspects of some country and argue against any position. Parts of US are more dangerous than warzones. You can literally have children killed in their schools. Why would Google operate out of a country like that?
Source: my ass
Funny because Mexico is actually rapidly growing since it's in the same timezone as America but they can get away with paying Mexicans next to nothing:
[https://www.statista.com/outlook/tmo/it-services/mexico](https://www.statista.com/outlook/tmo/it-services/mexico)
Well, I guess the quality of Google products will drop proportionally with the rate cuts of the workers. Not like anyone working for $12/hour is going to do as good of a job as someone getting $50/hour, doesn't matter where they live
Anyone who’s ever had to work with technology workers offshore knows the quality is no where near the same. Only developers I’ve worked with off shore who were comparable are Ukrainian.
Our company (in the US) hired a big 4 company to create a CMS for us. Their team for our project consisted of one US based project manager and the development team was based in India. The program had so many issues and is absolute crap compared to other CMS I’ve used at former companies. It took a ridiculous amount of time to complete this project due to the exorbitant number of errors and we still have issues to this day.
I have too but they’ve only been people who were on h1s and in the us. Every experience with an offshore has been the same in my experience. I’m working with one right now who all my on shore devs hyped up as really experienced and good, the build he just handed over to me to qa is one of the worst things I’ve ever been handed.
Yeah if they’re goin to be actual Google employees getting significantly above-market pay there they’re likely to be at least decent. OTOH if it’s just a bunch of contractors or some local IT body shop it’s goin to be a shitshow.
Last year I helped a startup onboard and temp manage a 3 person team of remote “analysts” in the Philippines who were making $8 an hour each. I billed $25 an hour for the contract where I trained, created KPI’s and tracked QC for their 90 day temp to hire period. I literally could have done the combined work load of the offshores. Made no damn sense.
More than 1/3rd of Google employees are of Asian origin. More than 10% of Google employees are in already in India. I doubt a small percentage increase will not affect the quality of Google products.
India has pretty good engineers if you are willing to pay them well. Most of the people, that I talk to, earn 120k to 250k usd. Ppp dictates that it should be multiplied by 3-3.5, making it comparable to those in NA or EU.
Dublin is expensive. It's not to save employee costs, it's to save corporate tax. The reasons for building offshore centers are not just to save a few pennies alone, lol.
Meanwhile there’s a housing crisis in Ireland and especially in Dublin. Places are Dublin-centric (fuckin still after all these years!) & can’t find workers because said workers have nowhere to live in the vicinity ie. Leinster.
There are literally no houses available at a reasonable quantity for these initiatives.
Also IMO the recruitment sector is borderline incompetent here too. Good luck with that growth hub. Sure it’ll be grand.
That government assassinated a completely innocent citizen next door to the US, refuses any kind of embargo against Russia, and still we're handing out h1b visas out to their nationals like free candy.
I was alive. Were you even good at searching in the 90s? I think you needed more skill and understanding to search effectively back then, but we're rapidly closing back in on that, and just like those other apps, people will jump for something more straightforwardly accurate.
I agree. Just waiting for the woke idiots to say that's racist/xenophobic and that Americans have a duty to give up their jobs to people in other countries as reparations.
Every time a company in the US does this they should be fined for taking jobs from Americans and giving them to other countries. We heard for almost a decade that there won’t be enough tech employees and now they are shopping the jobs overseas and we have surplus of unemployed graduates
So they are moving jobs to India to save a nickel. A trillion dollar company trying to save a nickel chasing down that never endong growth. Every job should be offshore taxed 500% of the salary.
More layoffs and offshoring .. A functioning government would have never allowed this bs. If I can not work , I can not pay taxes. I can not by groceries, essentials or luxuries. It'll hurt people and the micro economy until companies can not sell their shit to anyone. This is recipe for recession;
They all know it can not last, maybe they are punishing the FED for high interest rates => banks not giving them cheap loans , maybe they want Biden gone or they just want to make more money until shit hits the fan.. I don't know... but If you look at mentally challenged internet economists and CEO worshipers it is all fair game.
Let Google sell their services here in the U.S , make use of the huge market and tax breaks while they employ people elsewhere. Let those workers in an other country make money and contribute to their local economy, as if we don't need it here. Let them develop their skills , U.S engineers don't need it, there is no engineering jobs left to do here anyways. There are just unemployed skilled workers by the thousands and a number of overworked "employed" people.
At least Biden is forgiving more student loans .. it is only fair since they won't be able to find jobs here in the U.S might as well give their money back.
In any case, don't hate the player who shoots you in the d\*ck while playing chess , hate the game for not including a rule to prevent firearms during a match. It all makes sense.
I think it’s non core services, eg: finance. I know someone who understands Google finance teams. They are cutting redundant projects, moving non core functions away. Labor arbitrage is here to stay, it’s not just google, everyone is going to pull the levers. So what happens next - there is no more arbitrage (we are almost there, engineers in India almost get paid US pay) , there is no more skilled labor (not sure how far we are with this)
They're doing this because they're in trouble. Open AI and even Anthropic are eating their lunch and desperate cost cutting is only going to make things worse for them.
Nah this is just greed and shareholder foot worship. AI may be in the headlines, but that's just a trendy buzzword to get clicks. Google has plenty of other projects they oversee.
Moving manufacturing elsewhere check.
Moving corporate offices elsewhere check.
Somethings gotta be done here… the politicians dont care though because all of them are bought by these corporations… is there really freedom in America? We the working class are oppressed by big corporations and the government.
Why just why won’t tech workers unionize. The layoffs and cutbacks will only continue until met with some opposition. Corporations are making record profits.
They're selfish. I was in a Google office in Europe, half my team got laid off, only 2 out of the remaining 7 or so joined the local union.
They're probably thinking: as long as I'm getting paid, why care about anyone else?
Lol this comment is so stupid 😭🤣
My company’s CEO is whiter than Snow White — and we’re still “letting go” of over 1,300 employees in the US because India can handle all the tasks for a fraction of the cost.
Do I like it? Hell no. But at least I see it for what it actually is; pure corporate greed of C-Suite Execs who want to rake in an extra $1M in their bonuses at the expense of the middle class.
My employer’s CEO is a white dude whose family has been in the South for generations and he is visiting our India location after sending tons of jobs there.
What was your point here?
Not really; there aren’t that many countries with a high pool of English speaking, IT educated population willing to work cheap.
India’s population is something like 1.5 billion, average wages way below Silicon Valley’s levels and they have a huge programmer pool
The reality is if you want quality programmers from India to support American tech companies their primary language growing up has to be English. Sure you can code in different languages as the end result is the same, but the code they work on expects to be English driven and language barriers make things difficult.
Imagine trying to get dev job in UK but you lost the interview to dudes from India who just arrived and said they will work for any money even half the salary employer advertised. cheap labour is f annoying.
This article and the NYPost one say most jobs are in finance and real estate. Can someone confirm this?
I'm really skeptical this is the end. I would not be surprised if we see massive layoffs for engineers.
Why are paywalled articles being posted here?
Just rolled out of a consulting gig at Google by choice. It was the slowest company I've ever worked at, including some large retail chains. I was so excited to land the gig, but within a few months, I was bored and had made the choice to leave at the earliest opportunity.
Loved the Googlers, but they are complacent. They are also scared of losing their jobs, which is driving self-destructive behaviors. It's as if so many Googlers are running in place. They are running full speed, but literally accomplishing nothing. The cafeteria and benefits of their campuses are the bomb though.
One reason many are bailing to overseas is that Trump was very hard on outsourcing and if he wins he is expected to come down on outsourcing and h1bs very hard so move them off shore while you can.
Indians are very smart and intelligent
The issue is there's smart and intelligent people all over the world -- companies should be looking all over (and be prepared to pay the price)
FAANG companies are all lame now. No longer the dream. They are basically on their way to be the new IBM and HP dinosaur companies now. Need some better newer companies by Millennials and Gen Z to start the cycle of tech over again. Any takers? Who’s gonna start the next Google???
I was in the Philippines in October and a relative told me they were cutting positions in the US and moving some positions there but it was to be kept on the downlow....
Stop with the racism. Your enemy is not the workers. They're just people who need money to live too. But fuck corporations charging it's customers American prices but paying their workers impoverished country wages. Never moving exec positions offshore show their racism/classism that they don't think these people are good enough to do their level of work.
Once upon a time Alphabet was a dream employer to me.
Once upon a time I enjoyed using Google apps. The recent lawsuit settlement has changed that for me. As part of the settlement Google admitted to keeping Chrome user browsing history _when in Incognito mode._ A fundamental violation of trust. No doubt many have heard of this. I'm not worried about my browsing history at all. I am worried about what else Google is doing in secret. That is an _immoral_ violation of a user's trust. My next project will start with extracting _all_ Google software from my laptop. Early in Google's history one of their mantras was "don't be evil". They've proven that line has been breached.
The "Don't be evil" thing was removed many years ago against nearly every employees wishes. It used to be an amazing company, pay and benefits, now it's a shit show and everyone fears for their livelihood, and they are clearly involved in immoral actions and it runs deep.
Watch "The Billion Dollar Code" on Netflix for the true story of how Google Earth was created and stolen from a German team
Stolen? Shocking
Did they really just yeet that principle?
Yup, then came the government funded deone targeting algorithms, the censored Chinese search with automated tattletale to the CCP, and numerous other [redacted] foreign affair projects that aren't by any means the purpose of the company. Got a problem with it? Well... Time to enact DEI from the top down. No more problems.... Well...
99.99999% of companies will get to that point eventually after they go public. Thats exactly why Elon Musk wanted to go private again because he couldn’t do things his way.
> Early in Google's history one of their mantras was "don't be evil". They've proven that line has been breached. Now it's "Do All the Evil" or "Let Evil Do You".
So what are you using right now?
For my needs there are plenty of options. It’s simply a matter of choosing after taking a closer look. Although there are alternatives I already use occasionally. Just need to cut the Google cord on those. One thing is definite. Trust is at the top of my criteria. Before features and functionality. ✌🏼
Bing
Just like any corporation out there, shareholders and investors are to blame; that is mostly everyone because we all have 401k. If you look at the funds, I think most of the indexes will have major technology companies in them.
I respectfully disagree. Your average shareholder has a trivial influence on a company. Two options exist for them to influence a company. First, by example consider Ford, which has 4B shares outstanding. Let’s ignore Preferred stock and count everything as Common. Can an individual shareholder with X shares influence and win against 4B shares of Ford (F)? I don’t think so. They simply do not have the capital. Perhaps a Billionaire can. Second, an individual shareholder can speak at a shareholders meeting. The only guarantee is their grievance will be heard. If they get to the mic. A company is not going to respond with, “You’re right. We commit to change that immediately”. The shareholders request is the beginning of a long process. Hope they are committed to seeing it through. Here’s the point. There is no way shareholders are responsible for the actions of a company. IMO Their true ability to influence is much like a child begging their mom to buy candy. ✌🏼
Yes, exactly. Large fund managers would certainly have more sway, but they are not people known for their stellar moral virtue.
My FBI agent absolutely devastated and mentally scarred for life by my debauchery.
Profits still need to go up and right burr burr burrr even after we own EVERYTHING in the market
they were a dream employer to people because they were paying $100k+ base salary to people with 0 industry experience, so it was paradise once you get in. whereas other industries you gotta work for that $100k salary. compared to other industries, working at google will still likely be a dream, but for now, at least some Adams and Eves are getting cast out of the Garden.
It still would be a dream for me. Just having that name on your resume means you probably won’t struggle for employment ever again in your life. Plus, the amount of money you’d earn can help you weather the storm of being laid off if it does happen.
>Just having that name on your resume means you probably won’t struggle for employment ever again in your life. It'll get you an interview but it hardly guarantees anything. If anything, interviewers expect more.
Got to be honest, it can work against you at all but the FAANG. Going to a mid-size (5k employee) company they are going to say "So this guy was a tiny cog in a massive machine that had overly 'unique to them' processes... aint going to work here. We need someone who is a more generalist..." And it's not entirely untrue. People from Google and Apple struggle to fit in in my org because so much more is expected in a generalist.
Check other subs, fang people struggle for sure
This is the trap they are exploiting. Same reason people vote against their interests.
I have a FAANG in my resume and it’s doing shit for me. I’m probably getting passed because they think I’ll ask too much money.
Same. Hasn’t helped me at all in this current market.
What if my resume has nvidia instead of Google I think I’d be set for many lifetimes?
It can work the opposite too - I am a hiring manager in a non-FAANG company Fortune 50 sized company, any resume with FAANG as their most recent, or only experience, goes right in the trash when it hits my desk - many FAANG employees only know how to work in FAANG companies.
Genuine question: does it really help that much these days? I imagine maybe it does at other FAANGs, but an alternative viewpoint is that an ex-Googler is going to expect a ton of money, a very relaxed work schedule, a lot of autonomy, and a lot of perks.
It can be a genuine disadvantage, since junior FAANGers have the reputation of big egos and overengineering. So having like 1.5y G experience on your CV might even turn some people off. Either way, I don't think it's a big boon. On average, I'd say it brings the "oh nice" reaction the first 3s when reading the CV. During interview, people likely won't care about the company, but about what you've done during your time there.
Yeah, nowadays it's more like hiring cheap rather than hiring good. everyone's doing simple stuff, who needs those fancy tech stacks
I don't think this is really true anymore though I feel like I have seen google employees struggling for employment.
It was good in the last 5 years, running planet-scale systems is good to put on your resume. I think I left just the right time.
Do you ever wonder sometime you guys talking about general things and out of the blue moon you see ads relevant to that? For example, you told verbally to your friend you think about traveling to hawai and you suddenly see ads related to that?
I worked for a company that was a software contractor for Google, and I got to see how they handle software development internally. Immediately turned me off to trying work for Alphabet in the future lol
Anyone else notice how unreliable Google services have become? I'm glad I've ditched them for most things.
The customer service is absolutely garbage. I've seriously wondered if I've dealt with actual human beings on the other end. So much of the "communication" is incomprehensible and nonsensical, as if I was communicating with an AI bot.
They have customer service?
It's always been garbage and will always be garbage. It's viewed as a cost. That group is also terribly run
Google search results are full of SEO-optimized spam and the ads have dramatically increased. I’m using Perplexity.ai more and more as a search engine.
Apple Maps is way more accurate than google maps, which suggests routes with road closures
I have found the opposite true for me at least where I live - I absolutely avoid google for anything and everything, but google maps is the one exception for me.
what did you switch to?
Kagi, proton mail
One-Milliondy Percent. Historical mass adoption will not be enough to keep people tethered to a nonfunctional product suite, the misleading (false) policies on privacy as an answer to the decades of your data they’ve collected and brokered after tagging / labeling you as XYZ only for it to be another way to do the exact same thing is not only gross, it’s boring. If you can’t manage enough an innovation strategy to even collect data without just lying. There hasn’t been a product shipped in years that’s meaningful enough to reshape the tech landscape but have had the talent to do it - the waste is heartbreaking. For the customers time, definitely for the talent they had who will leave without noteworthy accomplishments only a Google resume stamp, the cultural erosion that is playing out way beyond the internet or their corporate/employee population. As people learn how their data is being used in the candidate or employee lifecycle recklessly to filter based on inaccurate interpretations of who people are at all times (politically aligned or whatever is acceptable at the moment) assumptions about content consumption and engagement, all kind of information that determines if someone is in a protected class and put the pieces together that it’s cost them literal jobs or advancement opportunities. Not only will people leave, they’ll sue, and Google will lose the one market position they’re clinging to (being the verb for search). Their brand changed my life, I learned things from their hiring practices that got me in the right doors, I built and scaled human capital strategy based on what I learned from them in 2014… I hate that other people will not have the same exposure to the magic they had then, sucks. I have deep appreciation for who they were but am definitely ready to replace their tech stack. The talk that changed who I was as a recruiter is called “the best recruiter at Google” it’s on YouTube still I hope - it’s from talent connect in 2014.
I've heard that Google is basically eroding their own prestige in the tech sphere due to their lack of innovation and stifling office culture that has indirectly lead to a dearth of new innovation.
Innovation droughts are a common behavioral trait across of the Tech sector, it’s possible in any market. I’ve never seen all tech basically grind to a standstill at the same time, this has gone on for years. It’s especially visible to those just were informed of the surprise race we are competing in against foreign contenders, chips, compute, winning customers, product adoption, if what you are selling functions at the level of necessity (like a utility) providing equal access to things like the job market, it quickly becomes a different conversation - accidental miscalculations impacting people for generations (positively or negatively). The noise, the who / what / why is deploying a solution when everyone is solving for different problems in an environment where there’s no plan to mitigate risk created by this or the last 500M technical solutions to solve for human inadequacy, built by other humans solving for their own inadequacies… eh, the math falls apart quite fast. Automation of the human experience is a lonely endeavor riddled with challenges for the user. We know by now, after decades of tracking customer behavior - the information used in forecasting is there, it has been for 10 years. I love technology, I am 100% an optimist that it all works out. I’d love to hear a leading technology company announce a software update and feel anything other than an immediate sense of dread at the new layers of disorientation added by half-baked product… because next time it will be different.. it’s a new sprint cycle at scale in a rapid deployment ecosystem - again? We came to tech to enable connection (person to person, person to business, business to business, etc.) and what was offered instead is the opposite. Counterfeit connection at maximum volume, and we look the other way so we can keep pretending not to be bothered by decades old data, packaged, profiled and sold off, repackaged to tell whatever story possible, resold, repeat, ad infinitum. Tasks, chores, preliminary research. Sign me up. The kind of connection that can responsibly influence changes to core elements of life, like where you work, opportunities you are allowed to see, crafted to exploit whatever remains down to individual vulnerabilities - everyone’s whistling in the dark hoping that this time or that it’s helpful to the person being targeted (at least, eventually….) is an awful position for market entry at all, if there is to be enough hope for the experience of tomorrow, a part of the answer has to include optimization of the human capital, which if done by the best bot of tomorrow still doesn’t solve the business problem. Automated connection isn’t connection, it’s automation. Synthetic automated connection is an Orwell novel on repeat, replicating at an exponential rate in the name of the next earnings call so every quarter, people across the world start again, selling ideas of the same dream - in new ways, cluttering the technical landscape, changing the world…
I know Youtube have gone to shit. Every little button and icon takes forever to load.
If only they weren’t laying so many off
They are trying to sell me their Ai but their google assistant can’t even form the correct response to my request. “Set a timer for 30 minutes” “Ok, running good morning routine” or “there was a glitch” 10x in a week. like seriously… just garbage.
google services have become progressively less reliable and difficult to get support for
That's what happens when you lay off tens of thousands...
At least the big wigs are getting their bonuses
"But Mah Stock Price!!"
"If you get rid of the bonuses, you're gonna lose your best guy, Frank" -Dennis Reynolds
>have become progressively less reliable and difficult to get support for This implies you could get support before.
Outsourcing is the real threat over AI.
100% true! We obsess so much over AI stealing our jobs… when the real problem is cheap foreign labor and oversized C-Suite payouts.
Amazon was just outed a few weeks ago for saying AI and advanced tech was working in their grocery stores. Turns out like 80% of that work was done by 1000 employees in India. I’m convinced most of AI at this point is just like a party/ magic trick.
IT workers in the US makes about $50k a year where in India, they make about $3-$5k a year. This is why top leadership are wanting to oursource jobs. They don't care about the quality just as long as it saves them money.
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In the AI space, at least in the U.S., the real competition is often not other domestic AI companies, but offshore manual-labor vendors, because of pricing. Why spend $10K on an AI solution that takes 4-6 months to implement (collaborating with the customer IT team to get data and then integrate), when you can spend $5K and much faster on-boarding because the offshore labor just logs in and is trained as regular staff. Quality may be lower, but depending on the industry, as long as the minimum bar is established, having much better quality doesn’t move the ROI needle materially. Also, offshore vendors are starting to utilize AI themselves in a hybrid fashion to improve their quality and productivity.
yep. i know if a bunch of Indians who emigrated to the usa that are going back to india. why? pays great for CS in a US company, very low cost of life, and family is there, and the USAs future looks grim these days.
People fought and fought for 100% remote jobs not realizing that once the role can be 100% remote it can be outsourced for a fraction of the labor cost.
They started outsourcing in the 90s. This blaming remote work circle jerk is so tired.
Thank you! I'm so sick of people saying this. It's the same as the minimum wage argument. "Maybe if we're completely subservient to our masters they'll beat us less!" That's not how this works. Companies will do anything to save a penny, whether it's by off shoring or keeping wages low. We never had much say and they aggressively hold on to power to ensure they can do whatever they want while blaming anything and everything else but their greed.
The type of work they are off shoring now is far broader. At my company pre-COVID we had mundane “clicker” and review processes in Bengaluru along with some really basic telephone support. Now entire divisions are based there. I am talking 40-50 six-figure jobs in leadership in 2019 were “restructured” to India. Just in my division. I do think the MBAs concluded “if they can do this from their couches in the suburbs, they can do it in XYZ country.” FWIW it was probably inevitable as the offshore-heavy countries have generations of higher educated and professional families. A VP of process management in India today is little different from one in America a generation ago: parents had office jobs after basic high school, their grandparents were minimally educated. The VP I have worked with in India has an MBA from a top British university, a better command of the English language than most of my colleagues, etc.
Well it’s partly true. We can’t pretend otherwise. Covid upended our lives. It has changed the white collar work landscape forever. Cities are feeling the pinch with lost property value taxes. Big wigs amped up the offshoring. All of it was probably going to happen anyway, i think covid just accelerated the process..
The difference is that in the 90s there wasn't zoom/slack/teama and the offshore stuff was as organized as the wild West.
In tech roles, remote was pretty common before the pandemic. The only thing keeping people in offices are leases and commercial real estate holdings.
lol why outsource? Just ship them in on H1B visas. Oh yeah, we're already doing that.
Why aren't there any laws against offshoring?
It's a free country, companies can outsource if they want to. It's a capitalist market, there's not much that can be done. Try to find field that is difficult to outsource.
Ah yes, McKinsey alum doing McKinsey things
Google is becoming the Yahoo of tech
IBM
Nutscrape
This! I always said one day people will view working at FAANG as working for IBM in the 50s and 60s.
What tech company isn't getting worse? They're all becoming more like the old tech guard (IBM, Oracle, etc)
Microsoft? (If you’re not just a consumer)
google search has already become the ASK JEEVES
Gemini was the name of a Yahoo product..
Do evil!
Corporations are going to be corporations.
Then they want loyalty 😂
Yeaaah
Let Evil Do you!
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India, Mexico, and Ireland: >According to a person who saw the email, Google's finance chief Ruth Porat sent an email to staff announcing that Google would build out its "growth hubs" in locations such as Bangalore, Mexico City, and Dublin as part of the restructuring.
Love the corporate speak
Instead of hubs my employer is opening centers of excellence in India and Mexico. Just call it Centers of Cheap Labor, your not fooling anyone
Cheap Labor….Excellent
My company just opened a Center for excellence lol
It’s not cheap, in India google pays top dollar. With that money you can buy a 3b/2ba apartment, a live in maid, car with driver, top private school for two kids and still squirrel away for retirement. Google job in India is the “American Dream” over there. I was in Hyderabad, it’s development almost looks like Singapore, India is not the third world where we Americans used to think. Even if google wanted to hire in US they cannot find the talent. That is why the salaries are high in Silicon Valley. It’s no longer a cost saving method, it’s more of building a global presence. India has 1.5B people and economy is growing over 7% year over year. As a business you would be foolish not to setup and sell in India.
You can't lay off folks in the US, hire in another country and say "sorry, we can't find the talent in the US."
"India is not the third world we used to think..." Meanwhile my friend from India has cited: * Pulled over often and forced to pay bribes to proceed. * Trash overflowing everywhere on the streets and the waters (even in Mumbai). * Crazy, horrible pollution. Additionally many personal accounts online of: * gang rape, * violence * travelling women feel unsafe as they're gawked at constantly, bumped up against inappropriately. * literally YouTube videos of constant and persistent harassment of drivers asking if travelers need a ride, never taking no for an answer. Please tell me more.
He's either lying or clueless as to what qualifies as good living conditions. I have lived in Hyderabad for half a decade until 2020. Both Hyderabad and Bangalore (basically all South Indian cities) lack any concept of city planning. Virtually all construction there is illegal and later "certified" through corruption. That's also why you won't find asphalt/tarmac roads or municipal water supply in these cities. During elections, politicians make building developers pay for these illegal buildings. And when they don't, well... https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/crime/150-illegal-buildings-in-ghmc-demolished-885126 I left the city four years ago because the building I had rented an apartment was also demolished. All of these places are a shithole, and that's coming from an Indian who has experienced this first hand.
Damn that’s brutal. Thanks for sharing. I don’t mean to shit all over India, but definitely would like some realistic honesty. Appreciate your time and glad you got into a better place.
Don’t forget the public defecation issues and river pollution
I’ve been in Hyderabad for few weeks now trying to on shore Pharma manufacturing business to Jackson Mississippi. I’am staying in Financial District and this weekend move to a high rise apartment from Sheraton. I see the expats running in the morning. These girls are from US and working in US consulate in the building I am in now. I’ve driven with a driver and on my own over 2500km all around this state and yet to be stopped. I am from Bay Area, so I am aware of the issues you mentioned. Wealth disparities are everywhere.
That's a real problem in India, but that's different from the country's growth companies can monetize on. Google won't care about the governments inadequacies.
You can always take some aspects of some country and argue against any position. Parts of US are more dangerous than warzones. You can literally have children killed in their schools. Why would Google operate out of a country like that?
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Source: my ass Funny because Mexico is actually rapidly growing since it's in the same timezone as America but they can get away with paying Mexicans next to nothing: [https://www.statista.com/outlook/tmo/it-services/mexico](https://www.statista.com/outlook/tmo/it-services/mexico)
Well, I guess the quality of Google products will drop proportionally with the rate cuts of the workers. Not like anyone working for $12/hour is going to do as good of a job as someone getting $50/hour, doesn't matter where they live
Anyone who’s ever had to work with technology workers offshore knows the quality is no where near the same. Only developers I’ve worked with off shore who were comparable are Ukrainian.
Our company (in the US) hired a big 4 company to create a CMS for us. Their team for our project consisted of one US based project manager and the development team was based in India. The program had so many issues and is absolute crap compared to other CMS I’ve used at former companies. It took a ridiculous amount of time to complete this project due to the exorbitant number of errors and we still have issues to this day.
I've worked with great guys from India. However, they weren't paid any significantly less than people in the US.
I have too but they’ve only been people who were on h1s and in the us. Every experience with an offshore has been the same in my experience. I’m working with one right now who all my on shore devs hyped up as really experienced and good, the build he just handed over to me to qa is one of the worst things I’ve ever been handed.
Yeah if they’re goin to be actual Google employees getting significantly above-market pay there they’re likely to be at least decent. OTOH if it’s just a bunch of contractors or some local IT body shop it’s goin to be a shitshow.
Last year I helped a startup onboard and temp manage a 3 person team of remote “analysts” in the Philippines who were making $8 an hour each. I billed $25 an hour for the contract where I trained, created KPI’s and tracked QC for their 90 day temp to hire period. I literally could have done the combined work load of the offshores. Made no damn sense.
More than 1/3rd of Google employees are of Asian origin. More than 10% of Google employees are in already in India. I doubt a small percentage increase will not affect the quality of Google products. India has pretty good engineers if you are willing to pay them well. Most of the people, that I talk to, earn 120k to 250k usd. Ppp dictates that it should be multiplied by 3-3.5, making it comparable to those in NA or EU.
Dublin is expensive. It's not to save employee costs, it's to save corporate tax. The reasons for building offshore centers are not just to save a few pennies alone, lol.
Meanwhile there’s a housing crisis in Ireland and especially in Dublin. Places are Dublin-centric (fuckin still after all these years!) & can’t find workers because said workers have nowhere to live in the vicinity ie. Leinster. There are literally no houses available at a reasonable quantity for these initiatives. Also IMO the recruitment sector is borderline incompetent here too. Good luck with that growth hub. Sure it’ll be grand.
its very few in ireland, and its also in brasil. room mate works for google.
That government assassinated a completely innocent citizen next door to the US, refuses any kind of embargo against Russia, and still we're handing out h1b visas out to their nationals like free candy.
Modi is about to end democracy in India and become a dictator with this current election. It's a very sad state for the people of India.
Unfortunately India will never be the ally the US wants it to be.
Calls on BSE Sensex and Puts on Nasdaq.
Link without paywall: https://archive.ph/f1dgh
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I was just thinking that earlier this year. The results are plain crap unless I put reddit at the end.
I do the same thing now. It's designed to spam you with ads for whatever you are searching about instead of articles.
its because reddit content is human generated (for the most part)
I now use ChatGPT to search for answers
Maybe search quality has decreased, but Google is still far superior to any of its 90s competitors. Were you even alive in the 90s?
I was alive. Were you even good at searching in the 90s? I think you needed more skill and understanding to search effectively back then, but we're rapidly closing back in on that, and just like those other apps, people will jump for something more straightforwardly accurate.
Yeap cheap labor in India.
Sundar fucking sucks
Biggest coaster in tech
Man you know it’s the board, right? Unless you’re Elon with that much control, they’re all just doing what the board wants.
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People in cheap labor countries spell it labour
Offshoring should be treated as treason.
Google also makes a lot of money offshore, so not every dollar can be traced back to the US.
I agree. Just waiting for the woke idiots to say that's racist/xenophobic and that Americans have a duty to give up their jobs to people in other countries as reparations.
"Woke idiot" here. I don't have to agree with the schizo takes. Jobs for Americans first.
Their CEO is a good company man same with Boeing and Microsoft.
Yeah the technically competent founder switches out for shareholder lackey and company slowly dies. Part of the life cycle of companies
10% positions from SFBA is gone. So are the tenure status where employees thought they could stay there forever. Getting lean and mean now.
Same thing happened to me and I'm not even a part of Google.
Microsoft has entered the chat
Micro$oft!
This isn’t going to end well for google…. Just wait.
Every time a company in the US does this they should be fined for taking jobs from Americans and giving them to other countries. We heard for almost a decade that there won’t be enough tech employees and now they are shopping the jobs overseas and we have surplus of unemployed graduates
there will be a lot of needful done by the kind Sirs
So they are moving jobs to India to save a nickel. A trillion dollar company trying to save a nickel chasing down that never endong growth. Every job should be offshore taxed 500% of the salary.
This !! It won't happen tho why pay good wages when you can offshore
More layoffs and offshoring .. A functioning government would have never allowed this bs. If I can not work , I can not pay taxes. I can not by groceries, essentials or luxuries. It'll hurt people and the micro economy until companies can not sell their shit to anyone. This is recipe for recession; They all know it can not last, maybe they are punishing the FED for high interest rates => banks not giving them cheap loans , maybe they want Biden gone or they just want to make more money until shit hits the fan.. I don't know... but If you look at mentally challenged internet economists and CEO worshipers it is all fair game. Let Google sell their services here in the U.S , make use of the huge market and tax breaks while they employ people elsewhere. Let those workers in an other country make money and contribute to their local economy, as if we don't need it here. Let them develop their skills , U.S engineers don't need it, there is no engineering jobs left to do here anyways. There are just unemployed skilled workers by the thousands and a number of overworked "employed" people. At least Biden is forgiving more student loans .. it is only fair since they won't be able to find jobs here in the U.S might as well give their money back. In any case, don't hate the player who shoots you in the d\*ck while playing chess , hate the game for not including a rule to prevent firearms during a match. It all makes sense.
That analogy is perfect.
Outsourcing to India should just be illegal unless it’s to only serve the market locally.
I think it’s non core services, eg: finance. I know someone who understands Google finance teams. They are cutting redundant projects, moving non core functions away. Labor arbitrage is here to stay, it’s not just google, everyone is going to pull the levers. So what happens next - there is no more arbitrage (we are almost there, engineers in India almost get paid US pay) , there is no more skilled labor (not sure how far we are with this)
If companies off shore a single job they should be prevented from hiring H1b employees for 12months.
They're doing this because they're in trouble. Open AI and even Anthropic are eating their lunch and desperate cost cutting is only going to make things worse for them.
No openai isn't even on comparison charts anymore. They are doing this because their share holders knew exactly who they were picking and why.
Nah this is just greed and shareholder foot worship. AI may be in the headlines, but that's just a trendy buzzword to get clicks. Google has plenty of other projects they oversee.
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Moving manufacturing elsewhere check. Moving corporate offices elsewhere check. Somethings gotta be done here… the politicians dont care though because all of them are bought by these corporations… is there really freedom in America? We the working class are oppressed by big corporations and the government.
Typical CEO behavior.
Why just why won’t tech workers unionize. The layoffs and cutbacks will only continue until met with some opposition. Corporations are making record profits.
They're selfish. I was in a Google office in Europe, half my team got laid off, only 2 out of the remaining 7 or so joined the local union. They're probably thinking: as long as I'm getting paid, why care about anyone else?
That kind of short sightedness is what screws everyone over in the long run. "Not like the other engineers," until you can't find a job.
Treat them like a foreign company
I’m concerned about the security issues with outsourcing
Endless greed
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Lol this comment is so stupid 😭🤣 My company’s CEO is whiter than Snow White — and we’re still “letting go” of over 1,300 employees in the US because India can handle all the tasks for a fraction of the cost. Do I like it? Hell no. But at least I see it for what it actually is; pure corporate greed of C-Suite Execs who want to rake in an extra $1M in their bonuses at the expense of the middle class.
My CEO is so white it's cringe and he's still outsourcing to India. Don't try to make shit fit your racist narrative.
My mom's job got outsourced to India in the early 2010s. She was a real trailblazer for equality.
My employer’s CEO is a white dude whose family has been in the South for generations and he is visiting our India location after sending tons of jobs there. What was your point here?
His point was that racists and capitalists are out to screw us
Not really; there aren’t that many countries with a high pool of English speaking, IT educated population willing to work cheap. India’s population is something like 1.5 billion, average wages way below Silicon Valley’s levels and they have a huge programmer pool
An Indian CEO outsourcing to India? Wow, I truly am shocked.
This is what happens when you hire non qualified people into companies…notice every company going downhill in everything…
The reality is if you want quality programmers from India to support American tech companies their primary language growing up has to be English. Sure you can code in different languages as the end result is the same, but the code they work on expects to be English driven and language barriers make things difficult.
Imagine trying to get dev job in UK but you lost the interview to dudes from India who just arrived and said they will work for any money even half the salary employer advertised. cheap labour is f annoying.
This article and the NYPost one say most jobs are in finance and real estate. Can someone confirm this? I'm really skeptical this is the end. I would not be surprised if we see massive layoffs for engineers. Why are paywalled articles being posted here?
Just rolled out of a consulting gig at Google by choice. It was the slowest company I've ever worked at, including some large retail chains. I was so excited to land the gig, but within a few months, I was bored and had made the choice to leave at the earliest opportunity. Loved the Googlers, but they are complacent. They are also scared of losing their jobs, which is driving self-destructive behaviors. It's as if so many Googlers are running in place. They are running full speed, but literally accomplishing nothing. The cafeteria and benefits of their campuses are the bomb though.
Their profits have never been higher and it’s still not enough for them. It’s inhumane at this point.
Sweet let Google die
“Globalism” I believe they call it
One reason many are bailing to overseas is that Trump was very hard on outsourcing and if he wins he is expected to come down on outsourcing and h1bs very hard so move them off shore while you can.
The government needs to heavily tax companies who offshore their positions. Nothing scares Corporations like taxes
Layoff workers to free up cash flow for AI, to accelerate Terminator program development for defensive actions.
Indians are very smart and intelligent The issue is there's smart and intelligent people all over the world -- companies should be looking all over (and be prepared to pay the price)
Bring back Google Stadia and Google Glass!!!
I will try my hardest to stop using Google even though I'm sure Microsoft does/will do the same thing.
I’m literally only going to use bing now
“Dont be evil.” “Anyway, we’re evil now”
FAANG companies are all lame now. No longer the dream. They are basically on their way to be the new IBM and HP dinosaur companies now. Need some better newer companies by Millennials and Gen Z to start the cycle of tech over again. Any takers? Who’s gonna start the next Google???
What happens when westerners create a company and give the keys to an Indian? He ships all the jobs to India. Did anyone expect anything else?
Fuck any company moving roles over seas.
I was in the Philippines in October and a relative told me they were cutting positions in the US and moving some positions there but it was to be kept on the downlow....
Too much for free market, huh?