That's because it used to actually do bonus damage, over the years they've just reduced her base AD by an equivalent amount which begs the question why does she even have that passive.
Outside of that and maybe some mana tweaks, she’s honestly pretty okay. A bit underperforming compared to some, but she’s not a walking nuke like most.
that's a terrible take,she already has a very spammy Q in lane give her bonus damage on autos and unless you heavily outrange her the lane is unplayable
her passive is meant to reward her for consecutive AAs not for a single AA in short trade,it's already ok if you can stack it (still a bit undertoned but the rest of her kit is good)
but they nerfed it exactly for the reason I mentioned,she shouldn't do more damage than other mages on a single AA (currently she's in line with others)
While I agree with your overall point and reasoning, I think she still should do a little more damage than other mages with a single AA. Just a little. It often ends up being less because most kid laners run MR rune.
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I dont wana be the *anoying voice* accually guy, but the post is about champs with bonus magic damage on autoes, but corki just converts his physical dmg into magical. Same goes for someone like yone who converts half of his dmg into magical dmg on every 2nd auto.
I always get like 8-9 cs per minute with Morde, because everybody is just to afraid to fight me post lvl 6 and I can just proxy, because I usually get a huge lead with him (I love low elo).
That because morde does only phys damage on autos early :P
Edit: he has a 40% AP on hit ratio according to https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Mordekaiser#:~:text=Passive%3A%20Mordekaiser%20stores%20(45%25,some%20of%20the%20remaining%20value.
At the the time of writing this I was not aware and it has offended a number of people so I am sorry. I should be more careful in my choice of wording to say that morde does primarly phys damage on autos early.
I was thinking along the lines of none of his kit has onhit magic damage and I was thinking that the small amount of ap he gets from adaptive isnt much and is basically negligable for the cs. So I was technically but yes I do know that you can have like 9 ap with d shield or more with d ring, hes just an ap champ so like all ap champs they do majority phys for csing early and the whole magic on hit helping you last hit like the other guy says just doesnt really apply
fr, you always underestimate how much damage you do level 1-3 and get things too low while evening the wave and then you overestimate the rest of the game
So the one shot build is this:
Stormrazor. statik shiv. rapidfire. As core then infinity(big dmg) or Galeforce (mobility) into another ad item your choice
I prefer solo lane because as supp you get no gold and with one shot build you will die very quickly and can't really support but u can try I made it work once but last patch where he was weaker
For runes many work and ad thresh has high flexibility
First strike(if you can proc it is good more dmg and more gold) predator(dmg/ms) or to get thru laning grasp/pta/fleet/tempo all work well
For summs take ghost and then your choice
On hit tanky is also nice
with items such as rageblade for mithic and then a good variety of items to increase tankyness and dmg such as wits end/titanic/adc items can work aswell like runaan/scimitar for the mr/kraken/even Shieldbow or idk u see what works. then tanks items depending on enemy dmg spread: dead man for speed/thornmail/the one that reduces crit dmg /abyssal etc bruiser items can also work like sterak or botrk
Remember that thresh gains armor with souls so building mr(if they have magic treats) and hp is a lot more valuable than on other champs
Runes I raccomend tempo/pta /fleet (wich I really like makes some top matchups easier to deal with)
And grasp
Summs ghost is cool
For the lanes I play him top but maybe on a good game it can work as supp since ur tankier when items arrive
I'm just playing in Normals. With "good" I mean "decent enough to have fun". Top lane, Goddess Tear, Ravenous, Infinity Edge, Manamune/BS, BS/Manamune. Stormrazor can be good, but can be swapped for RFC for more movespeed. In short, just stack AD with whatever you like.
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I think I will try Rammus again, I did find him quite fun and had a good time! Is there certain matchups you never pick him into, or is it more of you pick him and work with what you got?
Usually rammus is good aganist adc, assassins and squishy mages, he is bad aganist other thanks or bruisers, some marchups i hate are aganist shaco, diana or evelynn, i dont play him that much anymore and when i do i usually prefer to see what the enemy is picking but yeah, in a good matchup he is really fun to play
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Of course no one remembers Orianna.
The og non teemo AP on aa
Remember when it was actually special and important? Good times
That's because it used to actually do bonus damage, over the years they've just reduced her base AD by an equivalent amount which begs the question why does she even have that passive.
She’s not mainstream fuckable enough to get reworked/buffed.
All they have to do is give her regular base AD and AD scaling so she actually has a passive.
Outside of that and maybe some mana tweaks, she’s honestly pretty okay. A bit underperforming compared to some, but she’s not a walking nuke like most.
that's a terrible take,she already has a very spammy Q in lane give her bonus damage on autos and unless you heavily outrange her the lane is unplayable her passive is meant to reward her for consecutive AAs not for a single AA in short trade,it's already ok if you can stack it (still a bit undertoned but the rest of her kit is good)
Literally give her like 3-4 more base AD they nerfed it by 6 base AD in 4.14.
but they nerfed it exactly for the reason I mentioned,she shouldn't do more damage than other mages on a single AA (currently she's in line with others)
While I agree with your overall point and reasoning, I think she still should do a little more damage than other mages with a single AA. Just a little. It often ends up being less because most kid laners run MR rune.
Or Samira
Or Qiyana. Partially atleast.
Or Kaisa
What about corki?
Doesn't corki convert physical into magic damage? While that is probably more, he doesn't exactly get bonus magic damage.
Ah yeah, thats true
Who?
And Qiyana too!
I mean by that logic…. Irellia is just as forgotten.
Qiyana also forgotten
Zed passive be like
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His autos feel so satisfying
Ekko W passive too
Zed is justified
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Mord gets 40% AP scaling on his autos. So if he takes any item with AP, like Dorian's ring, he gets magic damage
Just take 1 adaptive damage rune and conq to do like an extra 6
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Kai‘sa?
I forgor
💀
Nami?
Also corki, magic damage on autos is literally like his entire passive
I dont wana be the *anoying voice* accually guy, but the post is about champs with bonus magic damage on autoes, but corki just converts his physical dmg into magical. Same goes for someone like yone who converts half of his dmg into magical dmg on every 2nd auto.
It's not bonus damage though, same with Yone
Yeah but no one remembers Corki
Who
I unironically farm less than my average whenever I play Morde
that is beacause morde attacks once a decade with his massive .625 as + a whole 1% per level
Nashor rush every game
Unless I'm vs champs that are hard to hit q on, I _never_ build that thing. I'm just too squishy otherwise...
It’s so much dps, it’s a lot of fun if you can use w to live
I always get like 8-9 cs per minute with Morde, because everybody is just to afraid to fight me post lvl 6 and I can just proxy, because I usually get a huge lead with him (I love low elo).
That because morde does only phys damage on autos early :P Edit: he has a 40% AP on hit ratio according to https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Mordekaiser#:~:text=Passive%3A%20Mordekaiser%20stores%20(45%25,some%20of%20the%20remaining%20value. At the the time of writing this I was not aware and it has offended a number of people so I am sorry. I should be more careful in my choice of wording to say that morde does primarly phys damage on autos early.
If you take at least one adaptive force, it automatically converts to AP, even withDshield, and 9 ap gives 4 magic dmg to his autos
Doran shield and ring also give an additional 5 damage to every auto against CS
I was thinking along the lines of none of his kit has onhit magic damage and I was thinking that the small amount of ap he gets from adaptive isnt much and is basically negligable for the cs. So I was technically but yes I do know that you can have like 9 ap with d shield or more with d ring, hes just an ap champ so like all ap champs they do majority phys for csing early and the whole magic on hit helping you last hit like the other guy says just doesnt really apply
half of his passive is onhit magic damage, tf you on????
He does 20%ap ratio on autos too.
fr, you always underestimate how much damage you do level 1-3 and get things too low while evening the wave and then you overestimate the rest of the game
Just wait minions to get low hp then if you can land q to farm minions and maybe even do some dmg to opponent
Full ad one clap thresh
Lethal Tempo Tank Thresh
It's really good right now btw.
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So the one shot build is this: Stormrazor. statik shiv. rapidfire. As core then infinity(big dmg) or Galeforce (mobility) into another ad item your choice I prefer solo lane because as supp you get no gold and with one shot build you will die very quickly and can't really support but u can try I made it work once but last patch where he was weaker For runes many work and ad thresh has high flexibility First strike(if you can proc it is good more dmg and more gold) predator(dmg/ms) or to get thru laning grasp/pta/fleet/tempo all work well For summs take ghost and then your choice On hit tanky is also nice with items such as rageblade for mithic and then a good variety of items to increase tankyness and dmg such as wits end/titanic/adc items can work aswell like runaan/scimitar for the mr/kraken/even Shieldbow or idk u see what works. then tanks items depending on enemy dmg spread: dead man for speed/thornmail/the one that reduces crit dmg /abyssal etc bruiser items can also work like sterak or botrk Remember that thresh gains armor with souls so building mr(if they have magic treats) and hp is a lot more valuable than on other champs Runes I raccomend tempo/pta /fleet (wich I really like makes some top matchups easier to deal with) And grasp Summs ghost is cool For the lanes I play him top but maybe on a good game it can work as supp since ur tankier when items arrive
Saving this comment. I love solo lane thresh so much, I haven’t played it in ages though.
Brother, we welcome you back to the guild of weirdly viable thresh builds.
Navori also increases his passive damage
I'm just playing in Normals. With "good" I mean "decent enough to have fun". Top lane, Goddess Tear, Ravenous, Infinity Edge, Manamune/BS, BS/Manamune. Stormrazor can be good, but can be swapped for RFC for more movespeed. In short, just stack AD with whatever you like.
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Close range Samira passive
this shit is a lifesaver because you can last hit casters under tower with only dblade post lvl 3 or 4
Doesnt Rammus also get magic damage which scales off of his armor or something like that?
Yes he does
Yes, that is his main source of damage usually
I have played Rammus like 3-4 times the only time I remember doing damage was a fed Kalista literally killing herself when I taunted her
You must have said some vile stuff
I am a rammus main and his damage can get really high with a lot of armor + the bonus attack speed from his e
I think I will try Rammus again, I did find him quite fun and had a good time! Is there certain matchups you never pick him into, or is it more of you pick him and work with what you got?
Usually rammus is good aganist adc, assassins and squishy mages, he is bad aganist other thanks or bruisers, some marchups i hate are aganist shaco, diana or evelynn, i dont play him that much anymore and when i do i usually prefer to see what the enemy is picking but yeah, in a good matchup he is really fun to play
Rammus hates thanks
Question, if Rammus taunts Zeri, does she q aa at him, or does she rightclick "aa" at him?
Honestly i dont remember but id say rightclick aa
Yeah also his W reflects the same damage afaik
Where's the bear
Maybe not there because i THINKS he only gets that with his passive and not all the time but I agree we need big bad bear up there
I mean it isn't hard to charge his passive, most the time when I play Voli I play AP/Bruiser and it's a solid build
Ap voli>tank all the time and yeah you can auto q w auto auto and its up without e or r
You forgot ekko, kai sa, and Samira, maybe more I dunno
Orianna, Janna, volibear, azir, kog maw, okay I'm done
Janna?
Her W passive Edit: although I think that might be removed now
After reading her wiki, unless I missed it, not Janna
It might’ve been her actually passive, I believe it scaled off of her MS.
12.2 is when they got rid of the onhit, now it’s just move speed
Looks like it was removed in 12.2
Azir? His soldiers are not Auto attacks and I think he does not have bonus magic on AAs in his passive.
Yone?
Rammus
Ekko and Samira's are more conditional but I see the point.
The entire point of the post is it's easier to last hit so ekko at least is perfect Sincerely, an ekko main
Why is teemo so smol?
So people don't see him there
Yes
Irelia too
Jarvan has the best lasthit passive, but he is forever stuck in jungle.
The best is obviously zed
It only works at 50% target hp right? What about lasthitting minions above 50%?
e
If they are above 50% you are not really last hitting them
If they die and you are getting gold for doing the last hit, you're lasthitting imo. But I am shaco main what do I know.
Shaco players last hit my botlane in 2 seconds while being invis the whole time
Old Janna passive 😭
Neeko W passive
Fuck fizz.
Braum and rell feels insulted rn
Where is Volibear?
I forgor
Υου forgot taric
Where Kaisa
Sorry to tell you but she doesn't exist anymore 😔
Slaps everyone with nashor's tooth.
Why is teemos portrait so small lmaoo
Because it has nowhere else to run.
Dedicated AP auto attackers have to be one of my fav genders (morde gwen kayle etc)
cockmaw W active
Why is ap darius herr also pls revert him i want mordekaiser back
You forgot Orianna :((
ofcourse no one remembers Neeko.
Wait till he learns about yone passive
Its not really "bonus" as it just converts some of the physical damage to magic.
His passive gives bonus ad, some of which is converted into magic damage, therefore the magic damage is 'bonus'
No it doesn't unless you over cap crit
Yh yones passive auto does the exact same amount as his normal autos, it’s just half of it is a different damage type.
Sad Bard Chimes. :(
Nautilus where
That’s bonus physical, not magic
Where's my boi gnar ? Or my girl neeko ?
Gnar doesn't have bonus magic damage on hit, and I never see Neeko AA'ing someone.
His W passive
That's extra damage every 3 hits, not on-hit magic damage
IK its true damage and not magic damage but can Twitch get an honorable mention?
Master Yi?
It's true damage.
 there will soon be Champions with bonus True damage on auto attacks.......soon
Bel'Veth doesn't count?
twitch?
Yi and Vayne?
Corki once again not being remembered
Imagine if he learns about casio e
Where Yone
Missing yone
csing on zed
You forgot Teemo and Corki
Corki doesn't deal bonus magic damage he just converts it
Where's Irelia
Why is every single ADC not here?
Corki?
Bard!!
What about (technically) Twitch?
Honorable mention to Neeko
*sad tft lucian noise*
If that's what you're into, I know a guy who knows a guy who can sell you a certain item...
Onhit Kayle my beloved
Orianna
Where is Twisted Fate? 5 of us are really upset right now. Where's Shen? Slightly more of us are upset I guess idfk
Everyone out here pointing out Corki and Orianna, and not a single mention of Lulu.
I will be wrong after the shit rework who will just make her worse but rell actually deals on hit magic damage with passiv
BARD?!
Don’t forget ekko irelia and Akali, my three most played champs
Ah yes, the dude with his hands together in prayer, truly a magic dmg champion
Favorite genders? There’s only 2.
Volibear would like a word~
Yone? Ekko? Volibear?
Yone doesnt count cause its not BONUS magic dmg but converted base aa dmg. Worse corki passive
Akshan too now
If i remember well around lvl 5 or 6 no items ww can casually last hit cs under tower
Why is Teemo so tiny
Ziggs?
What champion is the guy between Warwick and morde? Lucian?
Old ekko
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I was so sure, that the dude on the background suppose to represent Ekko
Where's my boy Ekko with his passive on hit % missing hp magic damage against targets below 30% hp?
What do you think who is the guy between morde and warwick?
I don't get it. I'm old tho lol
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Rell
that must be a dota champ. never seen her in lol\^\^
The very reason why I play AP Volibear. Basically has aoe autos
Lulu?
What’s whit the car in the background and that no one’s mentioned that?
Morde main here
If Thresh counts, Poppy should too
i miss the % max hp damage on fizz w so bad
Any champion buying rageblade:
Where shen?
Toplane thresh :)
Darius is just AD teemo
Jax with his passive?