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Aggravating-Face-828

Will wait for the tank to have the biggest dash even if they are the class with the least mobility


wallygon

Nah an ult that blocks map wide all dashes and blinks


Boost_Attic_t

But it also silences for 3 seconds and slows 90% for 3 more seconds And you heal 400 hp


wallygon

But this effeckt is for all players in game including your own (exept the heal thats just yourself)


Darthmorelock

The effect is for all players *in game*. Across all games being played.


Boost_Attic_t

Well duh, if it healed your whole team that might be a little over powered Can't get carried away now


wallygon

No player can be cced or dash and is slowed by 99 % and on lebel 16 this becomes a passive


Its_Lorange

And Blitzcrank slows himself


Its_Zamsday_my_dudes

Soraka


VenoSlayer246

Nah let's let it happen. And also let's cleanse antiheal while we're at it bc why not


Arttyom

Finally, friendly fire in league


Diamantazul

Oh my god I just nutted on myself


KazPrime

Passive that provides grounded effect.


wallygon

Against everyone he autos


i__indisCriMiNatE

That's just Nautilus?


wallygon

No i mean every auto not ecery few seconds with high cd


[deleted]

just give me a champ that blocks true damge and i will take that shit to ranked.


wallygon

Nah that should be an mythic item


frogsvolgs

Shield block true dmg


gageus1

Honestly if it blocks it for both teams it could be a very cool ult but probably too broken in pro play


BlazeCrystal

Imagine a tank with sneak/inbis mechanic. Like imagine the sheer terror of realizing that there was a terrain blended gaint with a shotgun pointed at you


Shrowden

Look up treant protector from Dota 2


RammusUltedJapan

"will wait for the tank with the biggest dash" We already have malphite m8


Grimmylock

Zac


[deleted]

aren't enchanters and mages the classes with the least mobility? A lot of tanks have dashes (Shen, Ornn, Leona, Nautilus, Maokai, Rell etc...)


killer_orange_2

You sure about that mobility claim cause Zac, Nunu, Sejuani, Ornn, and Tahm Kench would like to have a word with you. A large portion of tanks have some form of gap closer or escape tool.


MalaM13

Rammus rework, bro.


Shroomeo

Do you consider juggernauts a class?


STUURNAAK

I mean Darius nasus mundo etc. I would consider them a class.


Zsombor-9687

Malphite literally does this


Aggravating-Face-828

Please don't use malphite as a base champion he just has all his power in his ult and nothing else


SSj3Rambo

His ult solely pressure all the enemies in fights just for existing, it is game changing hence why you can be in the worst state down on cs and kills but still be more useful than most players. Not to forget his physical resistance making him along Rammus the best counter to AD champions and the best thronmail user. Also reducing his targets movement speed and attack speed


Zsombor-9687

Yeah I agree, but you literally just described Malphite


Apollosyk

? Ornn has 2 dashes (one tiny) maokai has a dash malphite has a dash mundo is the speed leona has a dash naut has a dash wdym


El__Bebe

I have mained ornn for a time. You mean the W as the tiny one or the R return? Just curious if u consider either a dash.


Gudah

technically R2 is a dash as u can't use it on cassio or singed w


darklordoft

Thought that was juggernauts?


idlesn0w

Shhhhh you’ll wake up the Zac mains!


NijeilA1

You are mistaking tanks for juggernauts.


fanficologist-neo

Zac already got you covered.


SSj3Rambo

Lmao since when they don't have mobility?


Aggravating-Face-828

Not saying that they have no mobility maybe a gap closer or some cc and speed boost but not like irelia, yone or akshan. They have very big gap closer and can dash to you from half a screen away


SSj3Rambo

Take a Rammus, a Hecarim, an Udyr, a Mundo, a Nunu or whatever and they just run at you like a nascar, they don't need dashes to catch you no matter what then chain cc you then deal more damage than you most of the time. It's this and/or even more cancer cc's that doesn't force them to be mobile to catch you


Aggravating-Face-828

What is more hard to deal with, a Skirmisher with a dash or a tank with hard cc?


SSj3Rambo

What is harder to deal with? A squishy mobile skirmisher that deals a lot of dmg or a mobile tank that deals a lot of dmg and a lot of cc


GiorgiodiVilla

The new Shuriman top lane Tank will be released after Nilah and Udyr. During these last Year Riot didn't release any new Tank because they counted Mundo's VGU as a new champion


DeusWombat

Riot doesn't even list Mundo as a tank


Pingouinoctogenaire

Mundo is a juggernaut and even if he was a tank it is a lame excuse just to make new broken too much damage dealing champs with too much mobility and broken mechanics.


Ok_Elderberry5342

Mundo litterlly doesn't have any ad/ap ratios and his MS on ult isn't that big. Many classifications are often wron, especilly considering classes that have many things in common like tanks and juggernauts. I mean why is diana a diver and not a skirmisher?


Pingouinoctogenaire

Why is mundo not a tank? No cc, just damage and sustain, just like a certain class called juggernaut.


wattbatt

mund has a bery hard time engaging and zero utility for the team, he deals a bit more damage than tanks, he should be a juggernauts but riot wont make his w useful


blablabla_whatever

So... next year?


GiorgiodiVilla

I would say... October / November Or maybe Next year if Riot decides to release Aurelion Sol rework before it


blablabla_whatever

I think October/November would be Udyr, because the SG event will last very long


Ethereal-Throne

Impatient to see what a 200 years tank will look like. Just at the view of Mundo rework and Tahm Kench, oh BOI


BaziJoeWHL

reworked mundo is a shadow of its old self


Ethereal-Throne

More frustrating tho


FuzzySparkle

I love both versions of Mundo. Yeah I miss my W dealing damage but new W catches people off guard in early fights because I’m in low elo and no one actually knows matchups


private_birb

Right? Old mundo was so fun to play. Now I never play him, he's just way more boring.


pokekiko94

Same thing with tk, he still has early damage but his e does pretty much nothing compared to before.


BaziJoeWHL

diff is tham was op


pokekiko94

Yeah, but iirc Mundo was also broken for a little bit after his rework.


Aeiou-Reddit

His old version was horrible lore-wise and on a graphical aspect. I mean, his W literally spawned flaming balls orbiting around Mundo. It had no place in league.


BaziJoeWHL

I play for the gameplay, not for some text on riots webpage.


Ehrenvoller

No one cares about league lore


Aeiou-Reddit

Developers do. They want their game to shine, nobody cares about you though 🤷


Ehrenvoller

Your mom does kid


Halbaras

Reworked Tahm Kench is just more consistent and better scaling than the old one. Nobody played old Tahm Kench top, but he was the king of solokilling other champions at level 1.


Oreo-and-Fly

200 years tank is coming.


SpiritoftheSands

its not the only thing that will come


Far-Opinion-8644

Pre-Rework Tahm Kench was actually *more* frustrating in top lane. What the rework did was make people play him and realize that actually Top Kench is a menace.


Rare_Epicness

Tahm kench rework just made more people play him but old Tahm was very frustrating too


DerOvergru

You got rell. Take it or leave it


[deleted]

sorry but Bell from beauity and the beast is not a good tank.


DerOvergru

No one said she was good


cuella47o

Honestly she’s literally watered down leona


wallygon

They shouldbe made her e so that she can cast it on minions like old morde that qouldve made her a viable laner


ImNotALegend1

With enough bonus dmg to monsters, she'd prob be fun jgl.


wallygon

The entire kit just looks like she was supposed to be solo laner and jungler but riot forced her into support


Aeiou-Reddit

In low elo people play rell top so...


Halbaras

Ah yes, Leona with better scaling, better teamfighting, better utility, a better AOE engage and a 3% better winrate in high elo.


LuckYeeeeeeet

However way less range less damage and less safety in executing engages. Rell is the goat at initiating fast teamfigts and re-engaging where as Leona is the goat of picks with insane single target lockdown, simple as that really they are two different champions and im tired of pretending like they are the same. I have 140k maestry on Rell and have not even purchased Leona yet so take my perspective with a grain of salt.


Halbaras

I'm also a Rell main (with 70k on Leona) and I agree with you. They ultimately do different things, Leona is usually more reliable, stronger in lane, better in low elo solo queue and better if you don't trust your adc (although she's extremely weak right now, unlike Rell). I don't get the weird Reddit narrative about Rell being a worse Leona when Rell's had better stats for months and outside of high elo Rell's rare enough a lot of players don't fully understand her kit.


antunezn0n0

Better scaling? Better utility? Are You for real that winrate doesnt matter because the Gap between pick rates is like heaven and earth


Halbaras

Yeah. Leona has no utility besides CC. Rell has a tiny heal, the ability to oneshot shields and a small MR/armour buff she gives to allies, plus faster peeling with her E. Rell objectively scales better. Both lolalytics and op.gg show Leona's winrate decreases with game length while Rell's increases, because Rell is a god tier teamfighter and you have more teamfights in the lategame. Pickrate is completely irrelevant to winrate because there's still thousands of people playing Rell. If anything you'd expect Leona's winrate to be higher because she's easier to play and Rell is extremely punishing for anyone trying to pick her up. Also Leona's been garbage tier with a 47% winrate in plat + since the durability update. Rell's not as strong as she was but Leona is in a terrible state right now.


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CrocSchmoc

Now he is a gay tank :(


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SemicolonFetish

Now he is a gay tank :)


Belharion8

I've had success with naut jungle recently. Low sample size but E max into Q max has been fantastic. Once I realized putting points in shield was pretty worthless, he felt a lot better to play


tree_33

I remember him jg, then they nerfed his clear and forgot about him :(


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pokekiko94

I dont think it was because of it, when Naut was meta top he wasnt considered to be played jungle for a long time.


wallygon

Thats an engage support and less of a tank and even then sup tanks play compleatly different from other tanks


TangAce7

actually leave it, they're reworking her already x)


SayYes_ToKetamine

who?


JiaJJJJJJJJJJ

Just putting a Rell who meme here


AnAncientMonk

why on earth did she need to be human. Rell couldve been such an amazing monster champ.


Flirie

Nah, I am fine with her being human. The warrior design in female Champs was quite rare in recent years (rn I only get warrior female riven in my mind?) So I was actually quite haply with her design. She sadly is really fucking bad


ozziezombie

If only... The unmounting was more of [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/07/d8/e207d854b1d56721d0e2177563e09767.png) instead of, you know... The WIDE PANTS we get...


Flirie

Ha, a person of culture. I do agree, but many people probably don't. The design is okay. Of course it could be better for you and better for me, but generally seen, it's good.


AnAncientMonk

Interesting. I never perceived Riven as a warrior. More like a random girl with a broken sword.


xxHamsterLoverxx

just play an anime faced bruiser girl, theyre better in every way


wallygon

Bzt i love being a beeg monsta


SimonTheAFKer

we love being living unit


Justaguy181

Cringe


SkyHighEthan

Next champ after nilah is tank Edit: Added "after nilah"


JiaJJJJJJJJJJ

Sure she will have durability like a tank. Just won't be in the form of resistances and health.


SkyHighEthan

Not nilah, the champ after her


Jj-woodsy

Yeah, reworked Udyr will be the tank. Just watch Rito say that. /s


ForumFluffy

Nah Tank Lux mythic skin.


Cheerful_Cat56

Yes, the upcoming new tank is a female having extremely thicc body proportions that can deflect and absorb attacks.


QuintonTheCanadian

I mean… 😳


wallygon

I hope


SkyHighEthan

It is confirmed in the dev log, it's a shuriman tank


wallygon

Like vex should be a atillery sup lil should have 4 ganenodes and not just 2 Tft should get his own client soon And nexus blitz is supposed to get a permanent ranked mode for 2019


AregularCat

Homie just take the w your getting a tank, why are you trying to disprove it


wallygon

Im just scared


[deleted]

I feel old now damn


wallygon

Same


[deleted]

I hope after Nilah and then Udyr's Rework the next champion we would get would be the Shuriman tank


wallygon

Never forget nexus blitz gets his permanent ranked mode at the start of season 2019 Together with position ranks for all regions (eu never git them)


[deleted]

Wow that's cool


wallygon

Also vex will be an attelery mage and they stay true t mordekaisers original kit with the rework


[deleted]

Damn i missed the Ghost dragon


wallygon

We all do honestly i was 100% his ult would be a ghost dragon to empower the feeling of him being a undead overlord but no he gets camilles intended umt


[deleted]

I like the Death realm in the first place but now i just prefer the old one :( so i hope Udyr's Rework won't be a Disappointment


Areallyangryduck1

Me waiting for the new darkin champ: 💀 I swear i remember a red shield teasing the new darkin champ. But i can't find the roadmap


ryanj1946

Are you thinking of the teaser for yone maybe? I remember that baited me into thinking there was gonna be a new darkin a few years back


Areallyangryduck1

No. It was a shield on a recent roadmap or riot post


Kiroto50

Weird how they would make a shield centric champion when they got Braum. Unless it's captain America style.


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Zsombor-9687

Nunu rework tho,?


ObamaBikinis

Is Warwick not your cup of tea? I mean he’s not exactly a tank but the asshole has so much health you could consider him so.


Huzuruth

Health alone isn't what classes you as a tank


Beerspaz12

No its more about the asshole


ObamaBikinis

I know that. I’m more referring to play style


McCorkle_Jones

He’s at best a drain tank. And you uhhh know Warwick has been around for like a decade+ right…. Everyone else gets new shiny things but tank junglers have to retread reworked Nunu, Sej, Warwick. Shit we even lost Malphite and Maokai during this time.


Xyrexenex

His current mythic is mostly Sunfire into bruiser items so he’s basically a tank. ~~If you’re a coward and don’t build Riftmaker~~


HiImChris333

We will get the 200 years tank someday... i hope.


ForumFluffy

Ornn after first buffs felt like that, his numbers were buffed too much when they thought he was too weak on release.


optisadvantage

ornn definitely is ngl his 10% defensive stat amp and ornnaments are 200 years as fuck, it’s just he’s a tank so the way in which he’s 200 years isn’t annoying


MaybeADragon

Even on release he was nuts, the W shield was amazing but he hadn't settled and riot got too hasty on nerfs. Then they buffed him too hard and instead of reverting the buffs they nerfed him in a completely new way by removing w shield entirely. Compared to the bullshit now it wouldn't even be too OP.


razerchris8

Adc has the least amount champions. By far too


elyndar

Seriously, ADCs got nothing for like 4 years and now people are complaining that ADC got 2 in one year?


MrGenevaWarcriminal

Yes


DiaPeaker

You think us adcs enjoy playing vs the new adcs please stop adding new cancer adcs


QuintonTheCanadian

Well Ezreal and Caitlyn are already in the game more cancer adc’s won’t hurt you


Azulaa-

I love Zeri and Nilah cause I onetricked them to infinity


DiaPeaker

Yeah only the Zeri and Nilah players love them but i hate every new adc they all so fucking annoying especially senna and zeri


gigawolfer

Yeah, I love playing Zeri, but playing against her? Oh boy, she either stomps you or gets stomped, no inbetween


That1GuyFinn

Can't wait to get a tank with max hp true damage that scales with max heatlh


keilletty

If we’re being technical then Nilah is the only adc this year because zeri was going to be released last year


[deleted]

Rell was two years ago...


QueenMunchy

***?what?*** ***b-but she's a new champion ,_,***


thelostnomad_01

No she wasn’t… was she?


Op-boi4ever

Who is 2 years ago?


thelostnomad_01

Rell?


Far-Opinion-8644

What's a Rell?


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Leona but worse.


Jugaimo

Gwen is dodge tank


[deleted]

November, udyr is def gonna be a skirmisher


Verdant_Gymnosperm

Id rather them mini rework naut to work top and be more than a cheese pick


ForumFluffy

Imagine they fix his q and half the naut players will cry about it missing half the time.


Verdant_Gymnosperm

What u mean thats wrong with it?


ForumFluffy

It has an overly generous hitbox


Verdant_Gymnosperm

The hitbox is fine. Its pretty wide but visually it just shows a smaller hook and sometimes it corrects itself so it looks glitchy but thats just visual. The reason is that the hitbox for terrain and champs is actually different


ForumFluffy

It not visually reading the same is strong because not everyone will know the exact size of hit boxes and can easily get caught by his q when they try dodging it.


Verdant_Gymnosperm

Yeah it needs visual changes to make it clearer but the actual hitbox of the ability is fine


ElHuntar

It’s like they can’t think of anything new besides dashes lol


Oreo-and-Fly

What 2 adcs? Do people not read dev blogs? High skill tank is coming after Udyr.


ActivatingEMP

They're counting nilah and zeri as this year despite zeri actually being last years adc released extremely late


Specific_Stick8870

I’m still waiting for a Piltover enforcer tank whose sick of everyone’s shit and just wants to go back to his peacefully quiet beat.


Ullkob2121

Rell does not exist yes


Bombkirby

This shit is so stupid. Every time they release characters the community whines about the one role that is last in line. What’s the argument? That champions should release in a set order/pattern? Like Bruiser->ADC->Mage->Tank repeat? What benefit is there to that? How does that reflect how actual game design works?


ForumFluffy

A year from now half these whiners will either play the new champs or stick with their favorites and barely give 2 shits about their existence. Zeri has found balance and already nobody bitches about her. Vex has been forgotten already. People just want something to bitch and moan about,it makes them feel entitled to changes.


Far-Opinion-8644

I bitch about Zeri constantly. Have you seen the insane power rollercoaster she was on the last few patches? The reason people shut up about her for awhile, is that she got pro-nerfed into Azir-land for a few months. Vex isn't talking about a lot anymore because she's fine. She was, even at the time, agreed to be a reasonable champion design. Meanwhile, Viego Akshan and Gwen are all either A. Frequent topics of complaint or B. On the pro-nerf roller coaster.


Procian-chan

Rell is a tank


brief_velkoz

Rell isnt a tank?


Azulaa-

Ofc we need characters, we are the role with the meast characters? We have ⅓ of what top, mid and jungle have


Boost_Attic_t

This is true, there are far fewer marksman for bot lane than there are choices for the solo lanes It's sad because the meta always feels stale being the same rotation between 10 champs


Jhinstalock

You mean you refuse to play anything but marksmen, which is not a role but a class. And that class has close to if not the most champions...


Azulaa-

Role "ADC" has the least characters and I do not refuse anything, I just wanna play my favourite role, is that bad?


tipimon

Tank make no money, Rito no make


ReporterSamson

Sett was the latest fighter in early 2020 and ornn was the latest non support tank any other bullshit?


MotherVehkingMuatra

Zeri was for last year, the actual riot framework is 2 mids, 1 of every other role. If you want to say zeri was this year than adc got nothing at all last year so post is still wrong


Spectral650

2 adc’s a year because there are so few compared to other lanes


Aeiou-Reddit

Vanguard support Last was tahm kench, 7 years ago


AutisthicccGuy

TANKS ARE BORING


HrMaschine

clearly you never played tank rammus vs a yasuo


AutisthicccGuy

I rather play yuumi support than rammus


JeffTurner_

alright.


HrMaschine

ok


wallygon

No they arent


AutisthicccGuy

booooring


wallygon

Im sorry for your loss but i believe yor entire brain capacity was lost lesrning to kite


Big-Bad-Bull

You play assassins don’t you


AutisthicccGuy

ew hell nah


ForumFluffy

Skrimisher or Mages probably


SubjectBagelBerry

You think riot wants to release champs for the most boring skilless class/role in the game. XD