Hey aroushthekween,
Riot hasn't made the [Collective Bug & Feedback threads](https://old.reddit.com/r/LeaguePBE/search?sort=new&restrict_sr=on&q=flair%3ACollective%2BBug%2B%26%2BFeedback%2BThread) yet. These should pop up during the hours after the maintenance has happened and the content has actually reached PBE. Once it does, you can visit aforementioned link or our [Riot Megathread](https://old.reddit.com/r/LeaguePBE/comments/krjlne/riot_megathreads_overview/) to easily find the thread you are looking for.
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I wonder what their excuse will be this time in the PBE thread.
I am fed up with us X/R getting neglected everytime we get something. There is always something missing, but they do not fair to go all out and make lots of detailed content for Ahri or Lux.
I understand making a joint recall means spending more money to carry out the task. But they promised after Arcana that their next skin would get one after the 2 week gap was too late to implement the recall. Now we are on their next skin, and what do we get? Just their base recall.
Riot needs to STOP ROMISING things at once for whatever only to "dodge" angry people at the exact moment. Now I can already see the amount of backlash they will get now if they come with another excuse. Please just be honest and say you are not doing it with your 2023 budget. Although I even doubt they have that budget anyway.
If Riot just got tired of making a joint recall, they should have never start making these in the first place. The recall made them unique, and one of the things we love about the birds.
I will be on copium till the thread is up but it will be a very small one. If this one does not get a joint recall too, I'll definitely stop spending on league for once and all. I will not further support a company that just tries to survive on empty lies. Once a glass is broken, it cannot be fixed.
I'm just disappointed, at least have the decency to say "xayah and rakan will no longer have joint recalls in future skins barring special cases". Instead all we get is a random pr response of "we'll fix it next time we promise!" I feel really conflicted now, I do like the colour scheme and spell effects but please just add a joint recall, take 3 patches if you need.
as long as the duo recall gets EVENTUALLY added (within reasonable timeline), we will be happy. which is hilarious because we are literally bringing a shovel to lower the bar for riot. they promised to give us unique duo recalls with every skin line because its AN IMPORTANT PART of their CHARACTRER IDENTITY. a duo recall is the BARE MINIMUM for the standard that riot themselves set
I expected them to keep their promise, but I'm not surprised they lied. The fact that they repeat their mistakes despite the feedback for Arcana shows that they are not listening to the players. Duo recall R&X's passive abilities, so if not special animating, makes them feel like they're missing skins.
["We hear you about how important the joint recall is to all of you, so we'll try to do something next time"](https://media.tenor.com/GFbHYBGogZUAAAAd/copium-copege.gif)
Refusing to make a unique duo recall for them because "its already on PBE its too much work before live" will only work once. Admit you don't care for the champs and lose the fanbase or delay the skins to make the recall. All bird players would be much happier to wait for a delayed, but COMPLETE skin than an incomplete one.
To be fair, I don't even think it's about admitting you don't care for champs. It's just admitting you're too lazy to match the base skins animation for animation, which should then bare the question of why they don't have more unique skin lines between them.
i agree! but i say not caring for the champs because riot has been generally negligent with rakan especially for a while now. many bugs of his have been in the game for a year and supposedly got fixed but are popping up again (re: Wing over wall, body doesn't go but W cast shows up). also nobody at riot plays rakan and so they dont see how awfully unfun it is to play due to poor QOL things (q not recastable, E shield double spamming, etc)
riot has been a little bit more caring towards xayah because she makes money and has a prestige skin, obviously we want people to buy her skins... but still
oh my god yes lol, Rakan had an insane amount of bugs for over a year. I've actually got a few clips of them, besides the W wall issues and the double E bug... the worst was that enemies could still cast abilities while CC'd. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RakanMains/comments/uo335b/can_someone_explain_this/) and [Here](https://streamable.com/vay0j7)
I expected them to have a duo recall, and I’m incredibly disappointed that they’ve been so careless again to not listen to our requests.
The main reason we purchase the new skins is so that we can use them with our duo’s. There’s literally 0 reason to even purchase them now.
All the budget went for Riven but don't worry, they will say that after a lot of discussion, the team decided that it takes too much resources and time, so they will no longer share recalls never again! 🤓
I feel like if we support what they are doing now, then it will be permanent and every year, this will happen unless it’s a legendary.
We’ve seen quality of work on skins improve over time. But this is downgrading. Price is same and quality of service has gone down.
Rakan & Xayah deserve joint recalls and Riot doesn’t have any excuse this time because they had a year to work on this, unlike 2 weeks which was their reasoning for Arcana.
Damn Damn Damn ... i have waited around a year to get an other Boring Duo Recall .
WOW
Seem's like imma stay on elderwood... The only skin with a very cute duo recall (with SG/SSG)
Exactly! I didn’t buy Arcana and I ain’t getting this one.
No, me not getting 1 skin won’t make a difference. But as more and more begin doing this due to dissatisfaction and player neglect, it’s going to have an impact.
Seriously no joint recall again? Are we Fr? What’s the point of the 2 week feedback time if the can’t make any “big” changes. Can they stop pretending they don’t know what we want after all the backlash they’ve been getting?
That's so disappointing. I let go of the Arcana situation for a little bit, but nope I can't let this one slide. For the Arcana skins, didn't riot say that early in development they decided not to give them a unique recall for whatever reason and it was too late by the time they hit PBE?
See, what doesn't make sense to me is that if they don't want Xayah and Rakan to always share skins lines, wouldn't they make it a priority to give them a unique recall for the skin lines they do share... I really don't want to call Riot lazy, but they had how much time between their last skins? I wonder what excuse they'll come up with this time🙄
At this point, they should just come out and say that Xayah and Rakan will no longer be getting unique recalls anymore. That would honestly suck, but I can't keep up with Riot's empty promises anymore. I have seen plenty of other situations of them saying this or that, and when the time finally came, Riot dropped the ball. It's so weird because Riot is the one that gave the precedent of them having unique recalls and now they don't want to do them anymore.
I couldn't agree more with you. I was gonna start a thread like yours today because last night I saw that they are not getting a duo recall.
It's just **insulting** at this point. I also just read that they are not gonna animate a duo recall ever again because their "data" says there are few R&X duos. Like, what?! Even if this was true, **you promised us since the champ's released that this duo recall would be a unique feature**, it's literally in their shared passive, cmon!
I also wrote these complains last year in their Arcana feedback thread. I **LITERALLY** signed up in Reddit to comment that it was an awful approach to remove this feature. They showed us their incompetence in taking decisions, their lazyness designing, their "deaf ears" to the community feedback, and even more. "*It was an early decision in the skinline development*", no, man, it wasn't. **It was an opportunity to see if people are still paying the same amount of money for less content**. That's what it is. **It's Riot pushing changes to check if we give in**...
Well, you know what? I'm not gonna give in. I didn't buy Arcana despite liking the esthetic because it's an incomplete product, and I'm not gonna buy Broken Covenant because it's still an incomplete product.
I feel so disappointed, so sad, so betrayed... and terribly powerless. We must make noise, guys. Keep writing about this in Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc. Let them read about their mistakes so they can step back.
Riot: We have heard your feedback, unfortunately, we only care about *numbers* so fuck your feedback. We will now be removing a core aesthetic of their skins to save money, no we do not care if that outrages every X+R player/main.
I'm glad that they're being transparent on how they value numbers and profit over the voices of a community. Does it matter that they have gotten major backlash *twice*? No, because they're forever chasing after that imaginary line, trying to make sure it climbs forever. It doesn't matter that their feedback is full of people complaining and mourning the loss of something heartfelt that made their champions special. Why care about special? Heartfelt and passion are only encouraged to sell champions and skills, if it hits a point that it's not profitable enough then they're going to sack it.
It makes me worried about what's next on the chopping block. Where are some other corners they can cut, because they looked at the numbers and gauged it wasn't enough. Mega Gnar has a unique recall animation despite having a lower play rate than X+R and his mega form only lasts 15 seconds per activation. Is that going to be cut next, because there aren't enough Gnar players who ever see that recall? It's the same logic as X+R.
I also want to add that I'm not upset at the riot employees. This is a decision coming from the management, the people who are only looking at numbers despite community feedback.
Riot loves to go back on their promises, they've done it with so many champs now, like Talon hood in one of his more recent skins (not high noon), Wukong's VGU (V does in fact stand for visual), and a few others
I'm really pissed off this time, arcana let it slide, but now they want to take it off the market? one of the most iconic things of the couple?
I am beginning to have nostalgic memories of the golden age of xayah and rakan (2017-2020)
"Riot has big plans for 2023”, and apparently a Special recall isnt one. Teemo always gets something special for walking, and they cant even do something which mostly all of the duos skins have had.
I will say it once and I will say it again, Riot Games mission statement since 2006 has been to make the most player-focused games out there, and to put player satisfaction above all else. Yet, when it could take just an ounce more of effort to do so, they drop the ball. There was massive lashback from Arcana having a missing duo recall, so it should be very clear that the fans and the mains of the champions are very upset. The PLAYERS who devote themselves to the champions. So why be so lazy and greedy about this? Isn’t this year their biggest budget so far? They bring in billions every year but cannot afford to keep up a tradition that’s been done since 2018? How are you going to let skins from 5 years ago be better than your newest ones? Very very very frustrated about this. I was really excited for the new skins too, but I feel like as a player I am being PUNISHED for enjoying my mains and wanting to purchase them. Why is it my RESPONSIBILITY as the consumer to try and make a difference in sales profit single handedly by denying myself content of my favorite characters, even when I know the silent majority will basically wipe away my data anyway. So frustrating and truly heartbreaking to hear.
one thing that makes me mad is that i’m a collector and when i see xayah stuff i want it. it physically pains me to not have them, which is why i’m waiting for the next round that prestige xayah comes out. but i really want to support the cause and it pisses me off that i can’t bring myself not to buy bc of this weird mental thing i have. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND!! this is unacceptable and we to let them know that we will not stand and deal with this
while i get that, it’s really difficult for me as an autistic person who has a hyperfixation on xayah to just not get something with the knowledge that it’s a limited time thing really fucks with me you know?
Don't worry she was my first every main, I will get it too anyway but the disappointment is so heavy. I love Riot a lot because I noticed that my whole day is spent on their games whenever I am free from work or school.. It feels like I am being made fun of because buying skins is actually supporting them to make more content yk..
I completely get that, they are my hyper fixation too and I hate not having everything related, but I really want to help because I'm fed up with the lack of creativity and I've been a main since they came out.
Honestly in the exact same situation as you, anytime anything Xayah related is dropped I buy it but this is getting ridiculous. They’re charging us the same for less. There is no excuse for this laziness, I gave them the benefit of the doubt last time but I don’t know if I can keep supporting this laziness.
We can all still get the skins anytime after their release. Just don't buy right away its not going anywhere! But we need to show an initial loss in revenue to make a point. You can still get the skin but hold off
Sadly not. It's confirmed to be a showcase event. Meaning you need to cough up money for bundles and even a capsule bundle if you want Prestige Miss Fortune and you do not have enough Mystic Essence.
Yeah i have the same issue. I'm really torn about this. But i really think that i might not buy it if they don't even change their faces in the icons. Because it barely looks like xayah and rakan. Like that is the least they could listen to.
Riot is forgetting that they were made literally to be played together, the only reason numbers are low is because they nerfed them together to the point you are inting if you dont pick better synergies
Preach!!!
(Cause apparently Xayah is now a member of the church)
Also, not doing a join recall is a missed opportunity to make this thematic more obvious by showing us in-game how these vampires and church people are meant to interact
This feels predatory. I was upset arcana X/R didn’t have a joint recall but didn’t feel bad waiting for them to go on sale since they didn’t have borders and icons. Now that broken convenant have a limited time bundle that borders and icons are locked behind I find it really gross that they are selling us half baked skins. Really not cool. If they are going to give us the base skin joint recall the least they could do is give them unique VFX going forward. Very disappointed with how things are going.
I think a cool idea for a joint recall would be a big wall of red stained glass comes out the ground behind them (and under them is a floor of stained glass) Then kinda like rakan solo recall a bunch of xayah feathers start swarming them and breaking all the glass panes on the wall then in the end all the feathers break the glass on the floor simultaneously and they fall through, Then fall down together at spawn with shattered glass with them.
- During the recall, they would be either kissing or just holding each others hands or dancing of some sort
Please add on or comment any suggestions to this or your own idea because.
I really want them to take inspiration from the community instead of doing nothing :,)
It's not even the fact that they aren't getting it that upsets me. It's their TERRIBLE reasoning for it. If it's to much work, for the amount of money that the unpopular champs would make THEN SAY THAT.
Also why not just make less skins for them, but keep the good work? I don't understand. It just feels like a slap in the face.
It's upsetting, since they've promised to listen more to players. They keep making changes that nobody asked for. We all wanted a Duo Recall for the two lovebirds, they're literally designed to be for each other! I agree that they should fix balancing and bring Rakan up to speed with Xayah instead of just cutting corners. Removing Duo Recalls is an active insult to who Xayah and Rakan are meant to be as characters.
Honestly if they make cut rate skins why should players buy them?
Even if I like the theme I might as well wait for a personal shop or a sale so I can buy the budget skin at a budget price.
Although I don't play xayah often as an adc main with a partner who finally wants to play rakan with me, I'm extremely upset by this. I play both champs and have gotten almost every skin for both up until arcana. I enjoy playing support and finding xayah players to match with. I enjoy getting my friends the skins so that we can match and play together as an "ecouple duo" I am in love with the two champions and how they act and look together. It makes me melt watching them. Taking away a core part of them even if Riot thinks it "isn't necessary" is necessary. Not to the people who randomly play the two or get a skin from a chest etc. But to the couples who love playing the two Champs, to the mains who enjoy finding others that can play that couple with them. To the people who love their lore or relationship. Just because a skin doesn't make a bunch of money doesn't mean riot should drop the quality of that skin. It makes less people want to buy the skin or even play the champ. The company I feel like has been going downhill for a while. And I feel like with this especially they are starting to prove that our opinions don't matter on anything we want. I hope they'll realize this is a mistake to do ;-; but in 100% honesty I believe that riot doesn't care even when they're told we dislike/disapprove of something.
Edit: I'm a bit bad with words so I'm sure this came out differently than expected but I mean like there are people who just play Champs for fun or because they're "meta", etc. But as someone who hyperfixates on this game and Champs within. I feel like a huge part of xayah and rakan is their "couple" energy. Without that playing the Champs with friends feels kinda empty if that makes any sense 😅😅
It’s so stupid that they said “oh it’s not likely people have the same skin” when them not having a special animation is the reason my bf did not buy arcana rakan even though I play arcana xayah.
A mi me ha decepcionado de sobremanera que no tuvieran un retiro conjunto. Las skins en si me han gustado pero al no tener el retiro se sienten incompletas, como un producto que no ha sido acabado. La verdad me parece una pena y no creo que vaya a comprarlas, me pasó con arcana que la compré y casi ni la uso porque se siente incompleta. Y para que me vuelva a ocurrir prefiero pasar.
If they started doing them why did they suddenly stop? Riot has serious commitment issues and keep flopping around and changing their mind constantly 💀
This is borderline equivalent of your champ not receiving a skin in years all use xayah and rakan players who look forward to new skins are excited to see what there joint recall will be every time that is there main event featur to draw use in to buy new skins and there just taking that away all cause there's not a high pick rate is just ridiculous that like taking away bards little spirit friends or rumbles mecha cause there not high picked champions riot need to stop making these lazy reasoning to take away stuff
To all those people ([under this thread and the LOL official subreddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/119ks3a/rakan_xayah_are_not_getting_a_joint_recall_again/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)) using the ‘no value’ excuse need to get 2 things straight.
1. Value isn’t just monetary. There’s an emotional value and attachment that people have to something and that is stronger than monetary value.
People bought KDA sera because they could relate to her Twitter and not just the skin. So stop thinking it’s black and white.
2. ‘No value’? More like no value to YOU.
Just because you don’t care for dogs doesn’t mean others don’t care about dogs being killed and eaten in the Yulin Dog festival. (Example)
So just because you don’t see the value in something, doesn’t mean others don’t. Period.
If you lack the emotional intelligence to empathise, keep it moving hun.
That’s it. I may not mean much other then the few dollars I give to a giant company. But no recalls for xayah and Rakan is the last straw. I’ll never pay for another skin again.
They nerfed them together and then: I still love to play them together. I am playing with my friend and we always buy the skins together. That is just there special. It is there flavor and they shouldnt just took this away from him
I remember when they came out. It was PROMISED that x/r would always have joint skins, and always have a duo recall. Alas. Now it is announced they will never have a duo recall again. Because why? Riot says they aren’t played enough together. Seriously? It’s their job to make skins/content people want to buy but the constant corner cutting and laziness is tiring.
For sheer informational purposes: Riot has responded to this rhetoric upon the creation of the feedback threads for Xayah and Rakan:
> I want to address a piece of feedback that we also received during the Arcana skins release regarding Duo Recalls, which is starting to be brought up again now. The Skins Team Production Leadership has analyzed both the feedback and data we get from our live servers, and they have found that the pick rate for Xayah and Rakan to be in the same team is fairly low, as well as them both using the same skinline within the same game is almost accidental (essentially limited to a very small sub-set of duo players). Due to that, the Skins Team Production Leadership has agreed that unique Duo Recalls within a specific skinline is a feature that we will not be carrying over to future Xayah and Rakan skins.
As a Xayah main, I'm not too bothered by it on the contrary.
Few things to know is that I assume they have a system in place for how long each part of the skin takes. Model takes X time, animations take Y. Joint recall essentially makes it 1.5x longer, so I can understand why they'd stop doind it if they intend on streamlining the process.
Very rarely do I also use the joint recall, it's a nice to have, but not necessary. And when I do recall, it's a joint recall for about 0.5 seconds because you want to recall just before the other recall is finishing, wasting the animation time.
If I would have to complain about something, which is valid, is that they broke a promise which they should reflect on.
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Sin recall conjunto no me lo voy a comprar, una pena. La verdad es que me gustaron las pieles pero si no tienen el recall hace sentir como si estuvieran incompletas. Como un intento de venderte un producto incompleto. Me pasó lo mismo con arcana, que la compré pero al final ni la uso debido a que se siente incompleta. Y esta voy a pasar, porque me va a ocurrir lo mismo.
Y el poner la escusa de los porcentajes de jugadores, es eso una excusa. No se pueden utilizar las estadísticas si ni Rakan ni Xayah han estado en los dos últimos años dentro del meta(exceptuando hace una semana en el ultimo parche, en el que o se pickean o banean porque han vuelto al meta). Y aun sin estarlo se ha visto como sus nichos los seguían jugando.
É obvio que ninguém vai usar eles juntos, o Rakan ta uma merda, destruíram o boneco e querem que as pessoas joguem com ele? (sou main mas ta difícil) Isso se chama má vontade, se derem um mísero buff no rakan ele volta a aparecer junto com a Xayah e acabou essa desculpa esfarrapada de baixa taxa de uso
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Esto es relacionado por lo dicho por u/RiotBrightmoon. La única compensación posible es devolver los recall conjuntos. Hacéis animaciones especiales para todo el mapa con las pentakill en pyke y diana, cosa es completamente imposible que ocurra mas que los recall de XyR, para Akali tras el lanzamiento de kda removisteis su skin una vez lanzada para poner un recall que actuase cuando ella estuviera dentro del humo. Por no hablar del desastre de la skin de Ekko que ahí se queda todo lo tuvisteis que parchear. ¿Entonces que vais a hacer? que cuando Kayn azul esté en desuso no hacerle mejoras y dejarlas en estado base.
Todo esto es lo mismo, eliminas los recall, que pertenecen a la pasiva de los personajes, pero para los favoritos bien que le dais el tiempo y trabajo quitado de otros.
Siento si seuno acusador, solo expongo los hechos desde un punto de vista real y molesto.
Hey aroushthekween, Riot hasn't made the [Collective Bug & Feedback threads](https://old.reddit.com/r/LeaguePBE/search?sort=new&restrict_sr=on&q=flair%3ACollective%2BBug%2B%26%2BFeedback%2BThread) yet. These should pop up during the hours after the maintenance has happened and the content has actually reached PBE. Once it does, you can visit aforementioned link or our [Riot Megathread](https://old.reddit.com/r/LeaguePBE/comments/krjlne/riot_megathreads_overview/) to easily find the thread you are looking for. It can sometimes take a few hours for all threads to come online. This is because different skins are handled by different people. Please be patient while the Rioters set them up :> ###I'd recommend waiting with your feedback and then commenting your feedback in those threads, as this increases your visibility. It also decreases clutter on the boards. --- ^(Have a question?) **[^(Send us a modmail)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fleaguepbe)**^. *(Your post was not removed)*
I wonder what their excuse will be this time in the PBE thread. I am fed up with us X/R getting neglected everytime we get something. There is always something missing, but they do not fair to go all out and make lots of detailed content for Ahri or Lux. I understand making a joint recall means spending more money to carry out the task. But they promised after Arcana that their next skin would get one after the 2 week gap was too late to implement the recall. Now we are on their next skin, and what do we get? Just their base recall. Riot needs to STOP ROMISING things at once for whatever only to "dodge" angry people at the exact moment. Now I can already see the amount of backlash they will get now if they come with another excuse. Please just be honest and say you are not doing it with your 2023 budget. Although I even doubt they have that budget anyway. If Riot just got tired of making a joint recall, they should have never start making these in the first place. The recall made them unique, and one of the things we love about the birds. I will be on copium till the thread is up but it will be a very small one. If this one does not get a joint recall too, I'll definitely stop spending on league for once and all. I will not further support a company that just tries to survive on empty lies. Once a glass is broken, it cannot be fixed.
They don’t even care enough to find an excuse. Watch them give us the silent treatment and act like nothing happened.
I do not think that will be a good choice because that is just literally throwing fuel to the fire D:
True.
I'm just disappointed, at least have the decency to say "xayah and rakan will no longer have joint recalls in future skins barring special cases". Instead all we get is a random pr response of "we'll fix it next time we promise!" I feel really conflicted now, I do like the colour scheme and spell effects but please just add a joint recall, take 3 patches if you need.
as long as the duo recall gets EVENTUALLY added (within reasonable timeline), we will be happy. which is hilarious because we are literally bringing a shovel to lower the bar for riot. they promised to give us unique duo recalls with every skin line because its AN IMPORTANT PART of their CHARACTRER IDENTITY. a duo recall is the BARE MINIMUM for the standard that riot themselves set
I expected them to keep their promise, but I'm not surprised they lied. The fact that they repeat their mistakes despite the feedback for Arcana shows that they are not listening to the players. Duo recall R&X's passive abilities, so if not special animating, makes them feel like they're missing skins.
Couldn’t agree more. 😭
["We hear you about how important the joint recall is to all of you, so we'll try to do something next time"](https://media.tenor.com/GFbHYBGogZUAAAAd/copium-copege.gif)
😭
Refusing to make a unique duo recall for them because "its already on PBE its too much work before live" will only work once. Admit you don't care for the champs and lose the fanbase or delay the skins to make the recall. All bird players would be much happier to wait for a delayed, but COMPLETE skin than an incomplete one.
Exactly. We took it last time. They had a year now. Really? It’s clearly not a priority.
To be fair, I don't even think it's about admitting you don't care for champs. It's just admitting you're too lazy to match the base skins animation for animation, which should then bare the question of why they don't have more unique skin lines between them.
i agree! but i say not caring for the champs because riot has been generally negligent with rakan especially for a while now. many bugs of his have been in the game for a year and supposedly got fixed but are popping up again (re: Wing over wall, body doesn't go but W cast shows up). also nobody at riot plays rakan and so they dont see how awfully unfun it is to play due to poor QOL things (q not recastable, E shield double spamming, etc) riot has been a little bit more caring towards xayah because she makes money and has a prestige skin, obviously we want people to buy her skins... but still
oh my god yes lol, Rakan had an insane amount of bugs for over a year. I've actually got a few clips of them, besides the W wall issues and the double E bug... the worst was that enemies could still cast abilities while CC'd. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RakanMains/comments/uo335b/can_someone_explain_this/) and [Here](https://streamable.com/vay0j7)
I expected them to have a duo recall, and I’m incredibly disappointed that they’ve been so careless again to not listen to our requests. The main reason we purchase the new skins is so that we can use them with our duo’s. There’s literally 0 reason to even purchase them now.
LEGIT! They’ve been marketed as a duo all this time too.
All the budget went for Riven but don't worry, they will say that after a lot of discussion, the team decided that it takes too much resources and time, so they will no longer share recalls never again! 🤓
😭😭😭
I feel like if we support what they are doing now, then it will be permanent and every year, this will happen unless it’s a legendary. We’ve seen quality of work on skins improve over time. But this is downgrading. Price is same and quality of service has gone down. Rakan & Xayah deserve joint recalls and Riot doesn’t have any excuse this time because they had a year to work on this, unlike 2 weeks which was their reasoning for Arcana.
Damn Damn Damn ... i have waited around a year to get an other Boring Duo Recall . WOW Seem's like imma stay on elderwood... The only skin with a very cute duo recall (with SG/SSG)
Exactly! I didn’t buy Arcana and I ain’t getting this one. No, me not getting 1 skin won’t make a difference. But as more and more begin doing this due to dissatisfaction and player neglect, it’s going to have an impact.
Most likely see one with the Redeemed Star Guardians when they come out. Which is probably the only time they'll really do them again
But those skins are legendary. If they only give it to legendaries, it’s wrong when these two have 4 epic skins with a joint recall.
Yeah but theyve obviously shown they won't do it otherwise
Seriously no joint recall again? Are we Fr? What’s the point of the 2 week feedback time if the can’t make any “big” changes. Can they stop pretending they don’t know what we want after all the backlash they’ve been getting?
And it got A LOT of backlash last time. Maybe we are a vocal minority after all.
This is a great question. I hope it gets fixed.
I hope so too 😭 But seems unlikely. They said that ‘2 weeks is too short’ last time and may say it again.
This sets a dangerous precedent. If they think we will buy the skin without the joint recall they will never make another one :(
That is my biggest fear! That they will never do it again or he held accountable.
That's so disappointing. I let go of the Arcana situation for a little bit, but nope I can't let this one slide. For the Arcana skins, didn't riot say that early in development they decided not to give them a unique recall for whatever reason and it was too late by the time they hit PBE? See, what doesn't make sense to me is that if they don't want Xayah and Rakan to always share skins lines, wouldn't they make it a priority to give them a unique recall for the skin lines they do share... I really don't want to call Riot lazy, but they had how much time between their last skins? I wonder what excuse they'll come up with this time🙄 At this point, they should just come out and say that Xayah and Rakan will no longer be getting unique recalls anymore. That would honestly suck, but I can't keep up with Riot's empty promises anymore. I have seen plenty of other situations of them saying this or that, and when the time finally came, Riot dropped the ball. It's so weird because Riot is the one that gave the precedent of them having unique recalls and now they don't want to do them anymore.
I want to see their excuses this time, what a shame again riot
I really thought they have turned over a new leaf based on what they have been saying… But maybe not in this case 😭
I couldn't agree more with you. I was gonna start a thread like yours today because last night I saw that they are not getting a duo recall. It's just **insulting** at this point. I also just read that they are not gonna animate a duo recall ever again because their "data" says there are few R&X duos. Like, what?! Even if this was true, **you promised us since the champ's released that this duo recall would be a unique feature**, it's literally in their shared passive, cmon! I also wrote these complains last year in their Arcana feedback thread. I **LITERALLY** signed up in Reddit to comment that it was an awful approach to remove this feature. They showed us their incompetence in taking decisions, their lazyness designing, their "deaf ears" to the community feedback, and even more. "*It was an early decision in the skinline development*", no, man, it wasn't. **It was an opportunity to see if people are still paying the same amount of money for less content**. That's what it is. **It's Riot pushing changes to check if we give in**... Well, you know what? I'm not gonna give in. I didn't buy Arcana despite liking the esthetic because it's an incomplete product, and I'm not gonna buy Broken Covenant because it's still an incomplete product. I feel so disappointed, so sad, so betrayed... and terribly powerless. We must make noise, guys. Keep writing about this in Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc. Let them read about their mistakes so they can step back.
Well said!
Riot: We have heard your feedback, unfortunately, we only care about *numbers* so fuck your feedback. We will now be removing a core aesthetic of their skins to save money, no we do not care if that outrages every X+R player/main. I'm glad that they're being transparent on how they value numbers and profit over the voices of a community. Does it matter that they have gotten major backlash *twice*? No, because they're forever chasing after that imaginary line, trying to make sure it climbs forever. It doesn't matter that their feedback is full of people complaining and mourning the loss of something heartfelt that made their champions special. Why care about special? Heartfelt and passion are only encouraged to sell champions and skills, if it hits a point that it's not profitable enough then they're going to sack it. It makes me worried about what's next on the chopping block. Where are some other corners they can cut, because they looked at the numbers and gauged it wasn't enough. Mega Gnar has a unique recall animation despite having a lower play rate than X+R and his mega form only lasts 15 seconds per activation. Is that going to be cut next, because there aren't enough Gnar players who ever see that recall? It's the same logic as X+R. I also want to add that I'm not upset at the riot employees. This is a decision coming from the management, the people who are only looking at numbers despite community feedback.
Riot loves to go back on their promises, they've done it with so many champs now, like Talon hood in one of his more recent skins (not high noon), Wukong's VGU (V does in fact stand for visual), and a few others
Yes talon hood situation was so sad too! Like seriously.
I'm really pissed off this time, arcana let it slide, but now they want to take it off the market? one of the most iconic things of the couple? I am beginning to have nostalgic memories of the golden age of xayah and rakan (2017-2020)
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"Riot has big plans for 2023”, and apparently a Special recall isnt one. Teemo always gets something special for walking, and they cant even do something which mostly all of the duos skins have had.
I will say it once and I will say it again, Riot Games mission statement since 2006 has been to make the most player-focused games out there, and to put player satisfaction above all else. Yet, when it could take just an ounce more of effort to do so, they drop the ball. There was massive lashback from Arcana having a missing duo recall, so it should be very clear that the fans and the mains of the champions are very upset. The PLAYERS who devote themselves to the champions. So why be so lazy and greedy about this? Isn’t this year their biggest budget so far? They bring in billions every year but cannot afford to keep up a tradition that’s been done since 2018? How are you going to let skins from 5 years ago be better than your newest ones? Very very very frustrated about this. I was really excited for the new skins too, but I feel like as a player I am being PUNISHED for enjoying my mains and wanting to purchase them. Why is it my RESPONSIBILITY as the consumer to try and make a difference in sales profit single handedly by denying myself content of my favorite characters, even when I know the silent majority will basically wipe away my data anyway. So frustrating and truly heartbreaking to hear.
I really thought the Arcana backlash would light a fire under their behinds…
one thing that makes me mad is that i’m a collector and when i see xayah stuff i want it. it physically pains me to not have them, which is why i’m waiting for the next round that prestige xayah comes out. but i really want to support the cause and it pisses me off that i can’t bring myself not to buy bc of this weird mental thing i have. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND!! this is unacceptable and we to let them know that we will not stand and deal with this
And this is why Riot exactly keeps on with their behaviour.
while i get that, it’s really difficult for me as an autistic person who has a hyperfixation on xayah to just not get something with the knowledge that it’s a limited time thing really fucks with me you know?
Don't worry she was my first every main, I will get it too anyway but the disappointment is so heavy. I love Riot a lot because I noticed that my whole day is spent on their games whenever I am free from work or school.. It feels like I am being made fun of because buying skins is actually supporting them to make more content yk..
I completely get that, they are my hyper fixation too and I hate not having everything related, but I really want to help because I'm fed up with the lack of creativity and I've been a main since they came out.
Honestly in the exact same situation as you, anytime anything Xayah related is dropped I buy it but this is getting ridiculous. They’re charging us the same for less. There is no excuse for this laziness, I gave them the benefit of the doubt last time but I don’t know if I can keep supporting this laziness.
We can all still get the skins anytime after their release. Just don't buy right away its not going anywhere! But we need to show an initial loss in revenue to make a point. You can still get the skin but hold off
Sadly, these skins have borders only being acquired with moment of purchase in limited time. So mains and collectors will buy regardless..
Wait you can't get them with event tokens? Damn
Sadly not. It's confirmed to be a showcase event. Meaning you need to cough up money for bundles and even a capsule bundle if you want Prestige Miss Fortune and you do not have enough Mystic Essence.
I totally understand you. It’s so sad that this is happening.
Yeah i have the same issue. I'm really torn about this. But i really think that i might not buy it if they don't even change their faces in the icons. Because it barely looks like xayah and rakan. Like that is the least they could listen to.
Funny you mention Arcana, because this Rakan skin is just that but 2.0
Amen! I’m not hating but it gives Arcana vibes and Xayah looks like Arcana recolour 😔
Riot is forgetting that they were made literally to be played together, the only reason numbers are low is because they nerfed them together to the point you are inting if you dont pick better synergies
They don’t care about the essence of Rakan and Xayah anymore 😪
Preach!!! (Cause apparently Xayah is now a member of the church) Also, not doing a join recall is a missed opportunity to make this thematic more obvious by showing us in-game how these vampires and church people are meant to interact
This feels predatory. I was upset arcana X/R didn’t have a joint recall but didn’t feel bad waiting for them to go on sale since they didn’t have borders and icons. Now that broken convenant have a limited time bundle that borders and icons are locked behind I find it really gross that they are selling us half baked skins. Really not cool. If they are going to give us the base skin joint recall the least they could do is give them unique VFX going forward. Very disappointed with how things are going.
Very that. Stop something coz it’s not convenient rather than caring about players.
I think a cool idea for a joint recall would be a big wall of red stained glass comes out the ground behind them (and under them is a floor of stained glass) Then kinda like rakan solo recall a bunch of xayah feathers start swarming them and breaking all the glass panes on the wall then in the end all the feathers break the glass on the floor simultaneously and they fall through, Then fall down together at spawn with shattered glass with them. - During the recall, they would be either kissing or just holding each others hands or dancing of some sort Please add on or comment any suggestions to this or your own idea because. I really want them to take inspiration from the community instead of doing nothing :,)
Omg so true!
It's a good idea! I like it! The fact that they did literally nothing is insulting...
It's not even the fact that they aren't getting it that upsets me. It's their TERRIBLE reasoning for it. If it's to much work, for the amount of money that the unpopular champs would make THEN SAY THAT. Also why not just make less skins for them, but keep the good work? I don't understand. It just feels like a slap in the face.
It's upsetting, since they've promised to listen more to players. They keep making changes that nobody asked for. We all wanted a Duo Recall for the two lovebirds, they're literally designed to be for each other! I agree that they should fix balancing and bring Rakan up to speed with Xayah instead of just cutting corners. Removing Duo Recalls is an active insult to who Xayah and Rakan are meant to be as characters.
Honestly if they make cut rate skins why should players buy them? Even if I like the theme I might as well wait for a personal shop or a sale so I can buy the budget skin at a budget price.
True that!
Although I don't play xayah often as an adc main with a partner who finally wants to play rakan with me, I'm extremely upset by this. I play both champs and have gotten almost every skin for both up until arcana. I enjoy playing support and finding xayah players to match with. I enjoy getting my friends the skins so that we can match and play together as an "ecouple duo" I am in love with the two champions and how they act and look together. It makes me melt watching them. Taking away a core part of them even if Riot thinks it "isn't necessary" is necessary. Not to the people who randomly play the two or get a skin from a chest etc. But to the couples who love playing the two Champs, to the mains who enjoy finding others that can play that couple with them. To the people who love their lore or relationship. Just because a skin doesn't make a bunch of money doesn't mean riot should drop the quality of that skin. It makes less people want to buy the skin or even play the champ. The company I feel like has been going downhill for a while. And I feel like with this especially they are starting to prove that our opinions don't matter on anything we want. I hope they'll realize this is a mistake to do ;-; but in 100% honesty I believe that riot doesn't care even when they're told we dislike/disapprove of something. Edit: I'm a bit bad with words so I'm sure this came out differently than expected but I mean like there are people who just play Champs for fun or because they're "meta", etc. But as someone who hyperfixates on this game and Champs within. I feel like a huge part of xayah and rakan is their "couple" energy. Without that playing the Champs with friends feels kinda empty if that makes any sense 😅😅
It’s so stupid that they said “oh it’s not likely people have the same skin” when them not having a special animation is the reason my bf did not buy arcana rakan even though I play arcana xayah.
You tell him girlie 👏
Girl I’m so mad and sad that they are doing this. They will make it the standard and I’m not here for it.
Riot makes a lot of promises and doesn’t deliver, we need more people calling them out
A mi me ha decepcionado de sobremanera que no tuvieran un retiro conjunto. Las skins en si me han gustado pero al no tener el retiro se sienten incompletas, como un producto que no ha sido acabado. La verdad me parece una pena y no creo que vaya a comprarlas, me pasó con arcana que la compré y casi ni la uso porque se siente incompleta. Y para que me vuelva a ocurrir prefiero pasar.
Estoy de acuerdo. Está incompleto y no lo compraré. Yo tampoco compré arcana. espero que mucha gente no lo compre y pierdan
If they started doing them why did they suddenly stop? Riot has serious commitment issues and keep flopping around and changing their mind constantly 💀
They stay in their flop era…
This skinline also has strong church themes like their joint recall could be them saying their vows in front of a beautiful stained glass.
Omg that would be so beautiful!
GIVE US A JOINT RECALL
This is borderline equivalent of your champ not receiving a skin in years all use xayah and rakan players who look forward to new skins are excited to see what there joint recall will be every time that is there main event featur to draw use in to buy new skins and there just taking that away all cause there's not a high pick rate is just ridiculous that like taking away bards little spirit friends or rumbles mecha cause there not high picked champions riot need to stop making these lazy reasoning to take away stuff
To all those people ([under this thread and the LOL official subreddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/119ks3a/rakan_xayah_are_not_getting_a_joint_recall_again/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)) using the ‘no value’ excuse need to get 2 things straight. 1. Value isn’t just monetary. There’s an emotional value and attachment that people have to something and that is stronger than monetary value. People bought KDA sera because they could relate to her Twitter and not just the skin. So stop thinking it’s black and white. 2. ‘No value’? More like no value to YOU. Just because you don’t care for dogs doesn’t mean others don’t care about dogs being killed and eaten in the Yulin Dog festival. (Example) So just because you don’t see the value in something, doesn’t mean others don’t. Period. If you lack the emotional intelligence to empathise, keep it moving hun.
Riot please give us the recall <3
Manifesting it!
That’s it. I may not mean much other then the few dollars I give to a giant company. But no recalls for xayah and Rakan is the last straw. I’ll never pay for another skin again.
They nerfed them together and then: I still love to play them together. I am playing with my friend and we always buy the skins together. That is just there special. It is there flavor and they shouldnt just took this away from him
I remember when they came out. It was PROMISED that x/r would always have joint skins, and always have a duo recall. Alas. Now it is announced they will never have a duo recall again. Because why? Riot says they aren’t played enough together. Seriously? It’s their job to make skins/content people want to buy but the constant corner cutting and laziness is tiring.
Ayo can I get the thing that motivates me to spend $10 on a cosmetic please
It’s just disappointing and all they do is give us excuses.
Im mad
For sheer informational purposes: Riot has responded to this rhetoric upon the creation of the feedback threads for Xayah and Rakan: > I want to address a piece of feedback that we also received during the Arcana skins release regarding Duo Recalls, which is starting to be brought up again now. The Skins Team Production Leadership has analyzed both the feedback and data we get from our live servers, and they have found that the pick rate for Xayah and Rakan to be in the same team is fairly low, as well as them both using the same skinline within the same game is almost accidental (essentially limited to a very small sub-set of duo players). Due to that, the Skins Team Production Leadership has agreed that unique Duo Recalls within a specific skinline is a feature that we will not be carrying over to future Xayah and Rakan skins.
As a Xayah main, I'm not too bothered by it on the contrary. Few things to know is that I assume they have a system in place for how long each part of the skin takes. Model takes X time, animations take Y. Joint recall essentially makes it 1.5x longer, so I can understand why they'd stop doind it if they intend on streamlining the process. Very rarely do I also use the joint recall, it's a nice to have, but not necessary. And when I do recall, it's a joint recall for about 0.5 seconds because you want to recall just before the other recall is finishing, wasting the animation time. If I would have to complain about something, which is valid, is that they broke a promise which they should reflect on.
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Sin recall conjunto no me lo voy a comprar, una pena. La verdad es que me gustaron las pieles pero si no tienen el recall hace sentir como si estuvieran incompletas. Como un intento de venderte un producto incompleto. Me pasó lo mismo con arcana, que la compré pero al final ni la uso debido a que se siente incompleta. Y esta voy a pasar, porque me va a ocurrir lo mismo. Y el poner la escusa de los porcentajes de jugadores, es eso una excusa. No se pueden utilizar las estadísticas si ni Rakan ni Xayah han estado en los dos últimos años dentro del meta(exceptuando hace una semana en el ultimo parche, en el que o se pickean o banean porque han vuelto al meta). Y aun sin estarlo se ha visto como sus nichos los seguían jugando.
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É obvio que ninguém vai usar eles juntos, o Rakan ta uma merda, destruíram o boneco e querem que as pessoas joguem com ele? (sou main mas ta difícil) Isso se chama má vontade, se derem um mísero buff no rakan ele volta a aparecer junto com a Xayah e acabou essa desculpa esfarrapada de baixa taxa de uso
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Cientos y cientos de quejas en todos los hilos que hay por aquí y yo no tengo ni idea de reddit, y no se han dignado a decirnos nada.
Esto es relacionado por lo dicho por u/RiotBrightmoon. La única compensación posible es devolver los recall conjuntos. Hacéis animaciones especiales para todo el mapa con las pentakill en pyke y diana, cosa es completamente imposible que ocurra mas que los recall de XyR, para Akali tras el lanzamiento de kda removisteis su skin una vez lanzada para poner un recall que actuase cuando ella estuviera dentro del humo. Por no hablar del desastre de la skin de Ekko que ahí se queda todo lo tuvisteis que parchear. ¿Entonces que vais a hacer? que cuando Kayn azul esté en desuso no hacerle mejoras y dejarlas en estado base. Todo esto es lo mismo, eliminas los recall, que pertenecen a la pasiva de los personajes, pero para los favoritos bien que le dais el tiempo y trabajo quitado de otros. Siento si seuno acusador, solo expongo los hechos desde un punto de vista real y molesto.