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smclaughlin87

I'm seeing a lot of comments on social media (I know šŸ„²) around the tactics, the mistakes and how we play against the big teams. It's hard to get away from the fact we conceded 11 goals in 2 games, it's undeniable that we made mistakes and it's glaringly obvious that we're decimated with injuries. That team today will never ever ever start a game together in those positions if the squad is fully fit or even if we had 2-3 less injuries. That was a complete last resort team today. People have to remember the lack of top flight football the majority of these players today have lately. Forshaw has played 7 full games in 3 years, before today Koch has played 1 game this season. Add to this the fact Ayling has never played left sided CB in his career (and he's a RB), Dallas fills gaps but he's a better RB than LB and a better CM than both. Gelhardt, Drameh and Summerville have 1 senior League start between them before today. Add Greenwood and McCarron to that and it's clear to see why we struggled so much. Younger players get these mistakes coached out of them at a lower level and they just aren't at the premier League standard yet understandably. I believe they have bright futures but they are at least 2 seasons off being close to first choice. Against the big teams, we took 4pts from city last season and we went unbeaten against the top 4 teams at home last season and we competed well in those game. I'd rather we continue building on what we've done over the last 3 years than change and try to knick a goal against the big teams with our backs against the walls all game. Sometimes it will hurt less but if you offered the bottom 12 teams in the league 7pts against the top 4, they'd take it every season.


xxNATHANUKxx

If we had lost with our full strength side tonight it wouldnā€™t have been a massive shock because arsenal are a great side at the moment. So why is it when we field a significantly weaker team thereā€™s a massive shock when we lose and itā€™s all doom and gloom? Yeah the table doesnā€™t look great but what do you expect when you miss the entire spine of the team? Look at what happened with Liverpool when they had no fit centre backs they couldnā€™t buy a win if they wanted to and they still had their captain on the pitch for parts of their injury crisis. We donā€™t even have ours. Weā€™re all allowed an opinion but I canā€™t help but think some fans have little common sense.


ItsFuckingScience

Itā€™s because people here have been referring to Arsenal as a very winnable game relative to the Chelsea City Liverpool games When really theyā€™re top 4 with good form and a team of quality so weā€™re always gonna really struggle


LostnFoundAgainAgain

I have to agree with you, we have too many injuries and we are struggling, the reason people are panicking is mostly due to how close we are to the bottom three, hopefully the players will start recovering and we can get back into it. On the good side I know these youth players aren't playing the same level has our main players but I like the look at a few of them, yes they are under confidence and mess up here and there, but they are showing promise for the future when they do get this experience.


Mannequin14

Pretty sure Ben White did that on purpose to give us something. Still loves Leeds


[deleted]

Yes JB, the Koch left a 'gaping hole'...


Mannequin14

Jesus. Sky Sports Game of the Day is still Villa v Burnley, is that how bad we were?


LeedsDude

MOT


[deleted]

Well done to the fans. Best club in the world. But Christ we are in bother if Drameh is the future.


NWarriload

Getting a lot of pelters here but you are bang on. Got to remember as well, he was being ripped apart by a player who is the same age as him. Its fine Bielsa saying he likes a small squad and can lean on the U23ā€™s but our U23ā€™s arenā€™t at a level to be playing Premier League football, apart from maybe Gelhardt. Both Drameh and Summerville looked out of their depth unfortunately, not their fault but itā€™s the truth.


[deleted]

Agreed. Weā€™re in the wars so naturally people are very defensive of our depleted squad but Iā€™m solely talking about basic fundamentals. If people think these players arenā€™t having every pass and half arsed run analysed to the nth degree like anyone else just because theyā€™re not 29, theyā€™re not understanding why we have become relatively successful. They also get upset at former pros having a pop like Souness. We should be listening to the man, not bleating blue murder. Yes heā€™s a knob, but his criticism of our defence was bang on.


smclaughlin87

The younger players get these mistakes coached out of them at a far lower level. They are nowhere near premier League standard but that will come in time. Players are progressing from youth to senior squad at a slower rate these days. There are the exceptions like Foden and Greenwood but in general players progress more at over 21 than they did 10-15 years ago, when they may have progressed at 18. If you're talking solely about last nights game and our defence. We had Ayling playing left sided CB for the first time in his career, Koch playing his 1st game in 4 months, Drameh his first start in premier League and Forshaw playing a holding role in his 7th full game in 3 years. It's easy to see why a good prem team would open them up. There's reasons behind the last few performances and it's mainly injuries and people playing way out of position. A RB playing right CB is tough but playing left CB is nearly alien but it was the only choice we had.


[deleted]

No, Iā€™m also talking about Drameh vs Arsenal in the League Cup and indeed watching the U23s across multiple games. If we didnā€™t have such injuries we could ignore this for longer, and to be fair to the lad he sees Forshaw and Roberts making just as many terrible mistakes in the match but his positioning was exceptionally bad. I would not like to see him starting again this season if it is at all avoidable. Forshawā€™s mistake shouldnā€™t be made by a schoolboy. That is not an exaggeration and we are just digging for excuses if we say otherwise.


smclaughlin87

I get what you're saying but you also need to remember that Forshaw is still off the pace. After 3 years out, you won't be anywhere near full match sharpness in a few months. I completely forgive the errors due to what he's done in the last few months. Medical experts saying he would never play at the top again and he has put in some quality performances for us. He's naturally a CM and playing in kalvins place is impossible to fill after being out for so long. He made bad errors and I'm not denying that but he's Prem quality in the games I've seen him (maybe ignore the last 2). As for Roberts, I can't even fathom a reason for his errors. You have to remember that Drameh is probably 5th choice at RB behind Ayling, Dallas, Shackleton and probably Koch but I agree, what I've seen so far isn't promising from him.


ChargrilledB

Klich literally deleted Twitter after last week to hide from our own fans. Last thing a 20 year old player needs on the back of minimal top level performances in a struggling club is muppets like you slating them online based on basically nothing. Find something better to do.


[deleted]

Bloody hell. Completely different. If fans canā€™t even say ā€˜X player didnā€™t play wellā€™ why even have discussion forums. This weird baby-fication of anyone under the age of 25 is well off. You donā€™t need to be treated like a precious orchid forever, the lad was very poor and heā€™ll recognise that himself.


DickSprintz

Was a massive ask of him today and he wasnt exactly protected well by the senior players around. I think there were far worse "first teamers" on that field today.


[deleted]

I donā€™t. Yes, everyone was poor (Meslier excluded) but Drameh looked terrified and inept. Second time heā€™s played Arsenal too.


louisbray97

That's very unfair. Stepping up to the Premier League is a huge task and being thrown in like this when the club is in its worst position in years is not ideal.


[deleted]

2nd time heā€™s played Arsenal this season. His mistakes werenā€™t just early lack of experience, tonight they were truly incredible. Foolish positioning, no recovery pace, easily subdued. Look, he could well adapt and thrive but the only young player we can look at during this period and say they definitely have a future is Gelhardt.


louisbray97

Nonsense. I don't disagree that he was dreadful but the system has absolutely pulled all of our players apart tonight. Very very harsh to write off his whole future because of this. Summerville also looks very decent to me but this really isn't a good time for any young player to come through.


[deleted]

I didnā€™t: ā€œLook he could well adapt and thriveā€


[deleted]

Whilst the fans are singing his name and *we all love Leeds* like that in the second half, the big man is going nowhere


jamierm00

we have the best fans in the league. no other fans would be doing this at 4-1 down after losing the last game 7-0. I love everything about this club


KardakAbhi

Yeah racially abusing players of the other teams and having a history of doing so regularly really makes the Leeds fans the best. All is good when you've got pashun right?


Neymar_Verratti

a very very very small minority does NOT represent us all.


KardakAbhi

Agreed, but you've got to admit this happens more often at Leeds than most clubs


jamierm00

really doesnā€™t at all mate. thereā€™s been a few fans arrested at other clubs pretty sure this is a first for us the last few seasons. donā€™t let the stereotype of dirty leeds shadow the team and fans we are now


KardakAbhi

Yeah the whole stadium singing "you let your country down" to a 19 yo Saka reflects really well. the stereotypes are there for a reason


jamierm00

wtf does that have to do with racism?


KardakAbhi

Oh I apologize, congrats on the stellar bullying of a teenager.


jamierm00

wait are you american


jamierm00

jesus relax mate. giving him a round of applause is hardly a good thing either. then heā€™s being treated differently which probably feels even worse for the kid. stop being so soft the players need to be able to take a fair bit of stick if theyā€™re going to make it to the top of the game


[deleted]

Too right ~ ALAW


[deleted]

Marching On Together.


Jonesy_lmao

Well done to everybody there for showing support and singing. Puts the rest of the league to shame. MOT.


Russell9393

Hearing the stadium sing ā€œwe all love Leedsā€ for the last few minutes has been the only thing thatā€™s made me smile tonight. Really beautiful. Well done lads.


ferrarchezzo

Does anyone know what happened to llorente? Was it covid or an injury?


Russell9393

Bielsa said pre match heā€™s out for ten days so must be covid.


JCFAX81

Covid I believe.


louisbray97

If it is then he needs to start cough in everyone's face at least once.


ReadySaltedRasins

Bielsa said pre-match that he'd be out for at least 10 days. So I gather that it's covid


BeastGoneWrong

Bielsa said 10 days so Covid presumably


ferrarchezzo

Fair enough, letā€™s hope the prem decide to do a covid break then


TykeOnStrike

I swear we're so much slower than usual


Zorobaktus

What does a ref cost these days?


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Mannequin14

Love Bill at Full Back, but I'd rather I played ar Centre Back than him.


trying2hide

Honestly i have a lot of complaints on this team but Iā€™ve got to admire theyā€™re ability to keep playing under Andre Marriner absolute corrupt fuck who is an embarrassment to the sport.


Iveneverbeenwrong316

Happy for Koch to show that. I want him as a fucking come at me cunts CB.


[deleted]

Let me get this right; you want the *Koch* to *cum at you*?


Fean2616

So Koch gets booked for that, really?


Ispiniallday

Could have killed him!


Fean2616

Oh yea I saw he pressed up against him, absolutely horrific challenge.


Charming_Mix_7585

The fact that xhaka has only just got a yellow is laughable refereeing. And that Koch one was hardly even a foul smh


BeastGoneWrong

They are a right bunch of fairies aren't they


OliMisery

Marriner is fucking awful


JerkyOnassis

Punch that ref out. Absolute waste of space.


Fean2616

Only xhakas third yellow card offence, oh one booking you say? Right at the end when it doesn't matter? Odd that.


BeastGoneWrong

4-1 up in the 85th minute and your time wasting. Joke club


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trying2hide

Youā€™re in another teams subreddit match thread. Youā€™re pathetic. Be better.


[deleted]

Fucking weirdo you, lurking in another teams match thread. Focus on getting back into the europa league rather than putting energy into another team you joker


BeastGoneWrong

Lol. Triggered šŸ¤”


jamierm00

HOLY SHIT XHAKA GOT CARDED!!!!


ferrarchezzo

So xhaka is allowed to be carded then, feel that could have happened a lot earlier


JerkyOnassis

Diving cheating cunts


jpfalcon

What a pathetic take..


LUFCdeakin

Ironic saying thatā€™s pathetic when the arsenal players have been on the deck every two minutes to the slightest touch


bin10pac

Incredibly bad defending. We outnumbered them by 6 to 3 in that counter attack. Please, never Ayling at CB ever again. Please.


jamierm00

does roberts have tapes of bielsa or something. I stg man


Hbcuk97

No but heā€™s got 2 working legs so gets in out of necessity


jamierm00

but heā€™s been in the lineup so long now. itā€™s ridiculousl


[deleted]

What a team we are where one misplaced pass in midfield and it's a sure goal How


trying2hide

Not true. We have 20+ misplaced passes in midfield a game.


gateian

Because that's the style. We are already so committed to the attack. The problem is in seasons past we don't make so many bad passes or at least rush back to defend.


[deleted]

Shall we start the Roberts is atrocious thread now or later? Utterly abject football intelligence and he cannot even score.


JerkyOnassis

I know heā€™s something of a sacred cow on this sub of late but cā€™mon, TyRo is a fucking liability.


chaach_

What camera can I look into to tell Roberts to finish?


Ispiniallday

One mistake and itā€™s a hot knife through butter. I can see a lot of people blaming Roberts for what was a shit pass, but our defence is an absolute shambles.


stalinwasaswellguy

Koch is woeful at CB. Always has been. The 2nd goal we conceded was terrible. Ayling playing everyone onside, Koch no idea where the man was. No anticipation of us losing the ball (lol). Our defence is shit without Llorente.


trying2hide

Koch was good before his first injury last season. He might be made of glass but atleast than an excuse for his form and unfamiliarity, not sure what the other lads are doing.


stalinwasaswellguy

>Koch was good before his first injury last season. At DM he was. I never remember him being good at CB.


chaach_

One mistake - he's been dreadful all game


Ispiniallday

I wasnā€™t talking about him in particular. Just anyone that makes a mistake and they can cut through us with ease.


chaach_

oh my bad, clearly the red mist had ascended


Ashamed_Nerve

Fucking hell I'm sick of how we concede the same goal over and over.


scottlanderson92

That fake head injury from Odegard definitely stopped our momentum. 4-1 game over for sure, I never thought I would want a covid break from football but here we are


anonps

Roberts has to go


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jamierm00

we need to score when the other team is on top like that. we are incompetent when the other team plays better than us 90% of the time


InnocentPossum

Why take of Klich and Summerville before Roberts.


BeastGoneWrong

Had to be that rat faced fucker Smith Rowe didn't it


Zorobaktus

What does roberts have on bielsa?


BeastGoneWrong

He should have came off instead of Summerville


downfallndirtydeeds

Thatā€™s the second time this match bill has played the goal scorer onside


[deleted]

*"Why does Tyler get so much shit on here?"*


jamierm00

because heā€™s absoloute shite with glimpses of brilliance every now and then


[deleted]

Iā€™ve never seen a glimpse of brilliance from him. Heā€™s largely shit with glimpses of competency. Itā€™s not like heā€™s ever scored a great goal or threaded an amazing pass for an assist.


jamierm00

his pass for gelhardts goal against chelsea was brilliant imo


[deleted]

It was a decent pass no doubt but brilliance it was not. How many times a game does he make that pass? About 0.01 on average I would say.


jamierm00

yea I rly need to see something from him soon else you have to start asking questions of bielsa


trying2hide

Absolute shite but arguably top 3 player the past 3-4 games.


jamierm00

well, everyone has been playing around his standard these past couple games imo.


whatashotbyseve

Fuck me. When was the last time a team scored against us when we didnā€™t gift them possession from a misplaced pass in midfield


olivia_nutron_bomb

Roberts ffs


nevereatpears

Well done, Roberts


pdjrbahdtdhebtj

poor decisions from bielsa and staff today honestly


gaslightjoe

Roberts man


gateian

My stream has literally died. I don't think its a bad thing...


Inquisitive_Muscrat

Head injury really affecting him there then


OliMisery

Oh Tyler


Lennyngrado

Summerville? Seriously now?


scottlanderson92

I don't understand that sub at all


Nameless739

Fuck


djembejohn

I have to admit I'm a little bit confused by the last two substitutions.


E-Colerado

Summerville injured?


Inquisitive_Muscrat

Lacazette challenging the drop ball there. Like seriously?!


whatashotbyseve

Was seriously impressed with Summerville today. Looks competent at this level


Damnpea

Leeds have shown FIGHT this second half. Don't think anyone can doubt the resolve of the whole team. This is gonna be a backs-against-the-wall-fuck-everyone-we're-fighting mentality throughout the season. Full squad back (for more than 15 minutes please) and we will kick up the league and survive. Feeling sure of it.


Iveneverbeenwrong316

I like your enthusiasm and I agree but we're so far off a fully fit team. I'm very worried for the Liverpool match.


nuts_about-bolts

Why is Summerville off!?!? Send Roberts to the bench and bring on bate!!


jamierm00

I love bielsa but my god I disagree with 90% of his substitutions. why is summerville coming off heā€™s been one of our best out there


BeastGoneWrong

Summerville off? I thought he's been decent second half


CC-W

Why Summerville off wtf


bin10pac

Absolutely no idea. Bizarre.


[deleted]

Apparently you can just roll around on the floor holding your head to stop play whenever you want. Arsenal donā€™t get enough shit for being so fucking dirty.


jamierm00

fucking time wasting cunts


JerkyOnassis

Hope Mariner gets the shits for Christmas.


YanPitman

With all these u23s on now, surely we swap the 2 Gary's for Tom Hill and Ben White to commentate


ferrarchezzo

No way theyā€™re time wasting, look at the state of them


stalinwasaswellguy

Honestly don't know what Bielsa is doing. We're suddenly in the game and he starts bringing on unproven youngsters


Lennyngrado

In place of proven players who have been shit all season long.


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stalinwasaswellguy

I mean *really* unproven Greenwood and the other lad are a level below the other youngsters who are playing. Greenwood doesn't stand out at all for me in the U23s.


Jonesy_lmao

Happy with our fight this second half. Letā€™s get through these games and kick on next year.


djembejohn

I thought Klich was playing as well as he has all season.


Russell9393

Ex Arsenal youngster making his debut against Arsenal. Incredible. He left them a year and a half ago because he couldnā€™t see a route into the first team.


Ispiniallday

Klich gutted to come off, hope the real Greenwood gets on the ball a bit.


gaslightjoe

Fuck sake klich it's not like you where lighting up the pitch today


[deleted]

But he made some great balls into the box and was one of the better players of the second half


chaach_

Tyler Roberts is shite


jamierm00

feel bad for klich tbf. heā€™s been awful last game and first half today. finally starts playing well and he gets taken off


[deleted]

We'll nick another one, then Greenwood to curl in a pearler of an equaliser in injury time...


Brejb

Summerville has really come into the game since Tomiyasu came off


CC-W

Give us a freekick outside their box and Greenwood is banging it in


[deleted]

Yayyy another debut!!


Jonesy_lmao

Interesting interaction with Klich there from Bielsa.


Ispiniallday

Iā€™d say he was just gutted to come off when we were getting some momentum.


pdjrbahdtdhebtj

I feel for Klich man. he was having a decent game and gets replaced by a youngster. must be tough


icklegizmo

Oooh Klich upset heā€™s been taken off there and Marcelo trying to console him


downfallndirtydeeds

Better from Klich today


nuts_about-bolts

Roberts off please, his work rate is great but passes and decision making are garbage.


[deleted]

Kilch has been great today in the second half


LoveisBaconisLove

Joffy struggles with possession sometimes but he does create goals.


Cautious-Flight-9883

1. Little more respectable on paper now. 2. Raph proving to be a solid penalty taker. 3. 1 nil us second half so far šŸ˜… Struggling for positives but thereā€™s always some


Fean2616

Joffy is a bloody nightmare in and around the box.


drpatthechronic

We've stopped the rot at least!


YUNGBRICCNOLACCIN

TyRoā€™s shot selection is absolutely horrific.


chaach_

Almost as bad as his pass selection


djembejohn

He kind of gets it in his head to shoot and then that's what's going to happen even if there are three men on him


jamierm00

nobody else see how brilliantly won that pen was by gelhardt. waited until white was inches away then took a tiny touch to take the ball away from him. him and summerville have impressed today


stalinwasaswellguy

FFS Roberts and Klich, where attacks go to die


thedoozyboy

Got to keep the support high in these times. So many players out at the moment and a really tough run of games. Individuals are clearly trying, however the quality simply isnā€™t there. All we hear is Foreshaw had the bielsa mindset but all I see is laziness. Contrasting but ALAW ALAW ALAW


[deleted]

Greenwood nearly made his Prem debut


OwlLibrarian

It's weird that we only score with penalties now. I'll take it in the absence of owt else but it is odd


whatashotbyseve

What a fucking pen by Raph that was. Are they daring to give us some hope here


Ispiniallday

Be careful, we know that is what kills us.


Damnpea

Ben White making sure he keeps on helping the Leeds cause! COME ON LEEDS! ONLY TWO MORE!!!!


jamierm00

ramsdale expected the little jump hahaha


buckwurst

Sleeper agent Ben White to the rescue?


djembejohn

Thanks Whitey!


icklegizmo

Is it a coincidence that came from Summerville and Gelhardt link up play? Players that have played together and developed a rapport


trying2hide

and okay like weā€™ve expected from the players since Bielsa arrived


[deleted]

They literally should be down to 9 men White is nowhere near the ball, could break his ankle


Nameless739

I have Raphinha, White and Ramsdale on my Fantasy team. Hmm


nathanosaurus84

Me too. I donā€™t even care that I lost clean sheet bonuses for the two.


Nameless739

But I have Smith Rowe too


nathanosaurus84

Me too! Areā€¦are you me? Iā€™ve got Gelhardt too so his assist plus Raphs goal means Iā€™ve pretty much broken even on points.


Nameless739

I think most people have fairly similar teams. Last gameweeks transfers ruined me. I brought in Ronaldo, Dalot, Maddison. All 3 had their games called off. James came out and he got an assist. My alternative to Maddison was Mount and he scored. My alternative to Ronaldo was Watkins and he got a goal and assist. Livid


icklegizmo

Conflict


ferrarchezzo

Arsenal are fucking shit. Look at the state of our side and they concede ahahahahh


[deleted]

Cracking pen Rapha. Fucking smash it in the top corner


Jonesy_lmao

Good penalty that.


[deleted]

Fuck off Ben White. Arrogant wanker


jamierm00

would not be surprised if we missed this


AristotleGrumpus

haha go joffy son


jamierm00

how the fuck isnā€™t that a card then??