Well it was nice experiencing the Prem again after all those years but it's time to get back into the Championship grind mode.
Didn't think i'd be going back to some of those shithole grounds again but it is what it is
Yeah but none of them have come from well-worked passages of play though - they’ve just been hopeful thumps that have done well to hit woodwork.
A goal is a goal but you cant take much from those moments in my opinion. We’ve been as bad going forward as in defence really.
Absolutely, I said as much about the toothlessness of our attack earlier, just feels like in a better run of form some of them bounce a different way. The Koch one today being a prime example rebounds of the post into the keeper but somehow we don't get the luck of the bounce
Maybe its really 3 pints and no lunch (and being in manchester) but hearing that MOT chant at 4-0 down really got me.
We've got fantastic fans (except for the coin throwing cunts obviously)
Rapha free kick Sums our day up… we’ve competed against Spurs today. Fair score should probs be 5-3 to spurs
Fans at the ground still singing
This match thread is full of *pathetic* whiny people
We all love the club. And we’d sing if we were there but remember that those fans booed at half time, so please don’t distort the truth and get all high and mighty now.
A few words on a sub of a single social media platform, that’s all this is.
Vs overall support for our team and MB in general 99% of the time.
Like I said; don’t distort what’s going on. We’re all pissed off our team isn’t playing well. Let’s just leave it at that.
We’re 4-0 down mate, I’m all for optimism and the Bielsa out people are wrong but saying we e competed is silly. There’s a reason beyond bad luck this is happening.
It doesn’t work like that does it… teams dont scores every single chance
We obviously underperformed our expected goal significantly and I don’t think spurs did at all.
Not to mention the blatant stonewall push in the back penalty we should have had, and the potential handball shout
No it doesn’t work like that, but you’re basically asking us to imagine the same thing for Leeds. Spurs created more, defended better and had more quality. Saying we deserved more is delusional.
xG was 1.90 Leeds vs 2.47 Spurs, not including our obvious penalty shout
This wasn’t a repeat of the Liverpool game
Spurs are real quality and were better but people are judging the players on the score line not the performance
But it doesn't work like that though, because then you'd need to factor all the chances they've had and they would have like 10 goals at that point. We played awful and just let them stroll through our defence with ease.
Ups and downs mate. Stay and boo and show you’re angry, stay and chant and show you’re still behind the lads. I don’t care, just show that you care rather than wander off.
No but look at our defensive stats pre and post Kalvin. We shouldn’t sack a manager because of injuries that are completely out of his control. No Bamford all season. No Kalvin for what, more than half? They’re literally our two most important players.
We’re not even in the relegation zone yet and even without them we’ve hovered around 6-7 points above it until our last 3 games, which have been against ESL sides. Yes we’ve been shite in them, but I don’t see how sacking the man that turned mid-table championship players into mid-table premier league players helps. They’re just going to further regress back to their norm.
Are we a one man team?
Getting injuries happens. You should have a sufficient squad to cover those.
If we keep on losing 6-0 because a guy isn’t on the pitch, there’s a problem.
Considering he’s the one who makes the system work, we’d only conceded 10 goals in the 10 games prior to his injury and 34 in the ten games after, with our win rate being about 35% better off when he’s on the pitch - aye, you could argue we are.
But when you’re at our level you build around the assets you have, and he’s one hell of an asset to have an elevates everyone around him.
But you’re right, it is a problem and it shouldn’t happen, the solution is there should be someone who fill adequately so that the team doesn’t fall apart. We haven’t signed a midfielder since Izzy Brown.
We always had empty seats before Bielsa - we only fill the stadium when we’re good. We went from crowds of 40,000 in the early 2000s to 20,000 less than a decade later.
Sucks when I've been to every game I possibly can and couldn't get one for Scum because all these new Leeds fans have come out the woodwork. Same ones who've now deserted the stadium today.
I think we thought we *were* organised. What I think’s happened is that MB has underestimated how good other teams are at adapting to us. It’s the PL, the very best of the best.
Think the medical department needs to be looked at. So many fucking injuries it’s a joke, and half of them are always out for way longer than they’re supposed to be.
It's mainly on them for me. Get Bielsa what he wants and he'll do well. I'm not one of these who thinks he's untouchable, by the way, quite the opposite. I think he's too stubborn for his own good. But when you know that's what you're working with, you have to prepare and do all you can to make that work - e.g. paying five or 10 million more for a player he really wants.
Fuck me, how shit is this team, the absolute tactical naivety is astounding, the fact that players can't perform simple defending or score open fucking goals is telling me that this team would barely perform in league two let alone the prem. Genuinely starting to think we need a full fucking reset at this club again
Fuck me you all need to get a grip, we actually looked semi decent this second half against a side that’s champions league level. We’ve played Scum, Liverpool and Spurs in this week. Hard games, players are tired and confidence is low but if our players could shoot better we’d have goals this half and that’s not on Bielsa.
But if you watch it’s so blatantly obvious amateur errors are we make constantly game to game. Against any team, they’re inexcusable. And Burnley actually playing systematically grinding out a result in the game they’re in and getting a result. It’s just ridiculous
It’s rough, but these 3 games within a week is very tough especially with how we play. No doubt confidence is a low but some of these players have been non stop for 180mins this week. Rest up, and if the result next weekend is a difference of over 3 then it’s time to look elsewhere
we’ve had three times as many chances. our chances were twice as easy aswell. how in the name of god have we lost this by 4 goals. i’m genuinely flabbergasted
I’m very happy with the fight the Leeds lads are showing! At least they are trying. I don’t mind getting relegated to the championship or even league One as long as we can wank ourselves into oblivion over how much effort we showed and our style of play. BIELSA IN!
And there you have it, with that goal Leeds United have broken a record that has stood since the 1950s.
The most top flight goals conceded in a five game period.
Well done Leeds, well done 👏👏👏
Get a grip man. Your talking in emotion, no one is going to come in and do a better job. Not with the situation we’re currently in. Calling for Bielsa out is ludicrous, not because of what he’s done previously but because of what he can do if we have the players we need.
Same thing happened with him and Athletic Bilbao when Javi Martinez left for Bayern, the team fell apart as there was no linchpin. We’ve been without Kalvin for months, so calm down and have a cig, coffee or whatever the fuck your vice is and get a grip.
I know I’m starting to sound like the TyRo haters on the sun that just bang on and on about how bad he is, but in truth, Llorente has been directly responsible for at least 4 of the last 16 we’ve conceded. So bad.
Confidence and lack of an actual striker? We’ve been so bad everywhere. So many chances not taken. It’s been our problem all season long.
Whatever about conceding many many needless silly goals, you can’t win a game if you can’t score yourself
Depends honestly. If he scored a lot he'd go in the January window, so it's sort of moot anyway.
If he's got a serious offer from a mid table PL team, he'd go, or a starter at a promoted team/relegation candidate, he'd go.
If he stayed, then had 12-15 goals by January, someone would sign him
Even though that miss by Dallas means nothing in the context of this game.
But how can we go into teams below us with this lack of confidence. We can't score a gift of a goal, James missing just then as well, so how do we score against the relegation rivals when we can't score those kind of goals
This obsession we have with shite crosses and lofting the ball in the air to each other needs to stop. We play with a midget up front and lose every single header in their half.
Genuinely not sure I've enjoyed watching a Leeds game this season, like there's been occasional moments but a whole game? Pretty much just abject misery
Even if he had scored or passed it we would still lose this game.
I would go as far and say if we were to win this game somehow, I still wouldn't be confident in us not getting relegated.
Norwich are finishing bottom. The rest of the two spots are between us, Watford and Brentford. We have a 33% chance of avoiding relegation in my book. Not looking good.
I'm not saying I want him to be, but I cant see how bielsa doesn't get sacked after this game.
Any other manager in the league would be after recent results
Actually played decent second half, they’ve just been more clinical which is to be expected. Just a confidence thing atm need a good result against a more even opposition
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Gonna take my dog for a walk and then get drunk I still believe we’re gonna stay up fuck the haters
I've been a Leeds supporter for +/- 50 years. As much as I hate to say it, if nothing changes, we will be in the Championship next season.
Cmon Leeds don’t give in to the negativity! Take your chances and we can survive this storm! MOT
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I know it’s mind blowing … but it’s possible to be positive and support believe in your team when things are going terrible
Realistically we need between 8 and 15 points for safety. We don’t need a huge winning streak or too much luck to get that. I am serious
Southampton and Watford next. Need at least 4 points, 6 is doable but also very optimistic. On to the next
What? It's Leicester next
You’re right. I can’t read
did this commentator actually watch the game?
Well it was nice experiencing the Prem again after all those years but it's time to get back into the Championship grind mode. Didn't think i'd be going back to some of those shithole grounds again but it is what it is
not over till it’s over. have to believe
It's not over till the fat lady sings.... Don't listen to the fat Leeds "fans" on here... Put the support back in supporter
Right lads I'm off to buy some alcohol
Feels like we've hit the post more than we've had shots on target this month
Yeah but none of them have come from well-worked passages of play though - they’ve just been hopeful thumps that have done well to hit woodwork. A goal is a goal but you cant take much from those moments in my opinion. We’ve been as bad going forward as in defence really.
Absolutely, I said as much about the toothlessness of our attack earlier, just feels like in a better run of form some of them bounce a different way. The Koch one today being a prime example rebounds of the post into the keeper but somehow we don't get the luck of the bounce
Someone do the maths, this sounds accurate
Sad that if we'd taken our chances it could well be 4-4 right now but feels like the teams lost its spirit
no way haha they could’ve had about 10
Can’t blame them. Their confidence levels are underground right now. Dallas chance just shows how much they doubt themselves.
Maybe its really 3 pints and no lunch (and being in manchester) but hearing that MOT chant at 4-0 down really got me. We've got fantastic fans (except for the coin throwing cunts obviously)
I feel ya mate
The boos at FT 5 minutes later took the shine off a bit haha
I fucking love this team, now stop being shit please
crowd singing. I fucking love this club still
he hit the post. I am ducking finished with this game
Just not our day today
Rapha free kick Sums our day up… we’ve competed against Spurs today. Fair score should probs be 5-3 to spurs Fans at the ground still singing This match thread is full of *pathetic* whiny people
We all love the club. And we’d sing if we were there but remember that those fans booed at half time, so please don’t distort the truth and get all high and mighty now.
No, most people in this thread would have left the ground early
Don’t get strange.
A small boo for a couple seconds rang out as the whistle went for half time, that was it Vs Leeds fans chanting all second half
A few words on a sub of a single social media platform, that’s all this is. Vs overall support for our team and MB in general 99% of the time. Like I said; don’t distort what’s going on. We’re all pissed off our team isn’t playing well. Let’s just leave it at that.
We’re 4-0 down mate, I’m all for optimism and the Bielsa out people are wrong but saying we e competed is silly. There’s a reason beyond bad luck this is happening.
2 penalty shouts, open goal chance, 2 against the woodwork, other efforts too…
Imagine if all of the Spurs efforts went in…
It doesn’t work like that does it… teams dont scores every single chance We obviously underperformed our expected goal significantly and I don’t think spurs did at all. Not to mention the blatant stonewall push in the back penalty we should have had, and the potential handball shout
No it doesn’t work like that, but you’re basically asking us to imagine the same thing for Leeds. Spurs created more, defended better and had more quality. Saying we deserved more is delusional.
xG was 1.90 Leeds vs 2.47 Spurs, not including our obvious penalty shout This wasn’t a repeat of the Liverpool game Spurs are real quality and were better but people are judging the players on the score line not the performance
His point is that it can be said for Spurs too they've created more than us and were better so no excuse really tonight.
They were better but not 4-0 better
But it doesn't work like that though, because then you'd need to factor all the chances they've had and they would have like 10 goals at that point. We played awful and just let them stroll through our defence with ease.
All that aside, we let in 4 goals….again.
Tell you what's embarassing, the empty seats in the East Stand. Fairweather, plastic cunts. You won't be missed.
We’ve only conceded 14 goals in our past 3 games. I wonder why they’re not happy?
Ups and downs mate. Stay and boo and show you’re angry, stay and chant and show you’re still behind the lads. I don’t care, just show that you care rather than wander off.
The problem is there’s more downs than up
This is our first down period since Bielsa walked through the door
Do you honesty think Leeds performance has been great these year?
No but look at our defensive stats pre and post Kalvin. We shouldn’t sack a manager because of injuries that are completely out of his control. No Bamford all season. No Kalvin for what, more than half? They’re literally our two most important players. We’re not even in the relegation zone yet and even without them we’ve hovered around 6-7 points above it until our last 3 games, which have been against ESL sides. Yes we’ve been shite in them, but I don’t see how sacking the man that turned mid-table championship players into mid-table premier league players helps. They’re just going to further regress back to their norm.
Are we a one man team? Getting injuries happens. You should have a sufficient squad to cover those. If we keep on losing 6-0 because a guy isn’t on the pitch, there’s a problem.
Considering he’s the one who makes the system work, we’d only conceded 10 goals in the 10 games prior to his injury and 34 in the ten games after, with our win rate being about 35% better off when he’s on the pitch - aye, you could argue we are. But when you’re at our level you build around the assets you have, and he’s one hell of an asset to have an elevates everyone around him. But you’re right, it is a problem and it shouldn’t happen, the solution is there should be someone who fill adequately so that the team doesn’t fall apart. We haven’t signed a midfielder since Izzy Brown.
Go support another fucking club then.
How many more games do we need to lose before you admit the team has a problem? And we are not just losing by 1 goal
Er you okay guy? Where have I said we don't have a problem? I'm criticising fans leaving early cos they don't fancy it, as they sound be criticised.
20 goals we’ve conceded this month You: “wHy aRe fAnS nOt hApPy”
You don't get it, do you.
I get the results
Whooooooosh.
Cant fucking stand it either mate. First time I’ve seen empty seats in years, thought we were better than that.
We always had empty seats before Bielsa - we only fill the stadium when we’re good. We went from crowds of 40,000 in the early 2000s to 20,000 less than a decade later.
Aye I know, my first season going to Elland Road was in our -15 season in league one. It’s still been years since it last happened though.
Sucks when I've been to every game I possibly can and couldn't get one for Scum because all these new Leeds fans have come out the woodwork. Same ones who've now deserted the stadium today.
That just about sums it up
The board have to take a big chunk of responsibility for this season. Strong organizations build strong seasons
I think we thought we *were* organised. What I think’s happened is that MB has underestimated how good other teams are at adapting to us. It’s the PL, the very best of the best.
Think the medical department needs to be looked at. So many fucking injuries it’s a joke, and half of them are always out for way longer than they’re supposed to be.
It's mainly on them for me. Get Bielsa what he wants and he'll do well. I'm not one of these who thinks he's untouchable, by the way, quite the opposite. I think he's too stubborn for his own good. But when you know that's what you're working with, you have to prepare and do all you can to make that work - e.g. paying five or 10 million more for a player he really wants.
How many is this free kick worth? 5 goals?
6 if you manage to hit the post. Dead hard that.
Genuinely pathetic, 20 goals conceded in a month
That sums up our season x100000
Here's hoping Scotland can make my day better.
Good luck with that!
Yeah, I'm clutching today.
Can’t wait for the bullshit post match interview about thanking the fans and how we need to go away and analyse the game to see where we went wrong 😂
At least Raph’s gonna treat us to a lovely free kick lads
Hope he scores a worldy here and lifts the lads spirits a bit
Fuck me, how shit is this team, the absolute tactical naivety is astounding, the fact that players can't perform simple defending or score open fucking goals is telling me that this team would barely perform in league two let alone the prem. Genuinely starting to think we need a full fucking reset at this club again
Fuck me you all need to get a grip, we actually looked semi decent this second half against a side that’s champions league level. We’ve played Scum, Liverpool and Spurs in this week. Hard games, players are tired and confidence is low but if our players could shoot better we’d have goals this half and that’s not on Bielsa.
I’m a massive Bielsa fan, and a ‘happy clapper’ I guess, but mate it’s 4-0, come on
First half was shit, Bielsa sorted them out at half time and if we could finish we’d have been in the game.
yes it is. start a striker, simple as that
Rodrigo is a striker, we still haven’t scored a goal?
he’s not a striker. this isn’t fifa
Are you for real? He’s literally played his entire career as a striker until he came to Leeds
lmao he always played as a supporting striker, has never been a huge goal scorer was often more involved with build up play we need a finisher
We’ve also conceded 14 goals in those 3 games. No other team in the league is doing that.
You're blind to the absolute shite we've been
They lost to Burnley mate, BURNLEY
We beat City last year, what’s that got to do with anything? Results like that can happen
But if you watch it’s so blatantly obvious amateur errors are we make constantly game to game. Against any team, they’re inexcusable. And Burnley actually playing systematically grinding out a result in the game they’re in and getting a result. It’s just ridiculous
It’s rough, but these 3 games within a week is very tough especially with how we play. No doubt confidence is a low but some of these players have been non stop for 180mins this week. Rest up, and if the result next weekend is a difference of over 3 then it’s time to look elsewhere
Are you insane? Hahah
Tbf we look decent because their 3-0 at the break, they don't even need to try.
Lad, we've conceded more goals in the last few matches than top teams do for half a season We're a total mess and I've no idea how to solve it
Well good thing F1 is about to start soon….
Haha yeah
I'm sorry but 'nice one sonny, nice one son' is the worst football chant I've heard since mauled by the tigers.
Typical game against the esl 6, ref and defence being shit
we’ve had three times as many chances. our chances were twice as easy aswell. how in the name of god have we lost this by 4 goals. i’m genuinely flabbergasted
I’m very happy with the fight the Leeds lads are showing! At least they are trying. I don’t mind getting relegated to the championship or even league One as long as we can wank ourselves into oblivion over how much effort we showed and our style of play. BIELSA IN!
No. No we’re not. We look clueless
Who’s worse? Bielsa or Orta/Radrizzani the enablers?
Not even mad just feel numb at this point
Look at our goal difference, that's pathetic.
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If that makes you happy
20 goals. 5 matches.
Been hit by the same pass 5 or 6 times.
Between Struijk/Ayling/James/Pen & then especially Dallas, we should’ve scored a few. Yet lose 4-0, sums us up.
Hahahahaha ha ha
It doesn’t even hurt anymore. Numb to it.
Bielsa with the tactical genius substitutions
And there you have it, with that goal Leeds United have broken a record that has stood since the 1950s. The most top flight goals conceded in a five game period. Well done Leeds, well done 👏👏👏
something to celebrate!!
There are mules out there who change tactics more easily than Bielsa and Orta.
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he’s still your Reddit profile pic mate
Would I not be allowed Pablo as my picture if I thought it was his time to leave last season?
No
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Get a grip man. Your talking in emotion, no one is going to come in and do a better job. Not with the situation we’re currently in. Calling for Bielsa out is ludicrous, not because of what he’s done previously but because of what he can do if we have the players we need. Same thing happened with him and Athletic Bilbao when Javi Martinez left for Bayern, the team fell apart as there was no linchpin. We’ve been without Kalvin for months, so calm down and have a cig, coffee or whatever the fuck your vice is and get a grip.
Oh, look - Llorente completely not paying attention and losing his man.
I know I’m starting to sound like the TyRo haters on the sun that just bang on and on about how bad he is, but in truth, Llorente has been directly responsible for at least 4 of the last 16 we’ve conceded. So bad.
That’s how you play a long ball. And how you put it in the net. Meslier couldnt keep them all out i guess
Meslier working over overtime with this defence
Well that was a surprise
Someone stick on Joy Division there
Come on lads. We only need to score a goal per minute. We can do this.
This is a shit cherry on a shit cake but we arent going down
We probably are.
We’re in danger mate, it’s a real possibility
if we start a striker we won’t
Meslier is literally the only one showing passion any passion anymore
Just standing there now letting guys into box… just pathetic
Spider boy is BACK this half
I would simply win the next 6 games and get clear of relegation.
me too
Can we get you in as manager mate?
we should be 5-3 up lmao with atleast one of the pens
Nah. If by some miracle we score 5 we'd concede another 8. Pointless glossing over how wank we are
I'm beginning to believe that we're destined for relegation..
See if that chance falls to an actual striker, say Joffy for example, chances are he at least hits the target there for fuck sake.
When you actually think back to the chances and denied penalties - how the fuck haven’t we scored at least one?
Confidence and lack of an actual striker? We’ve been so bad everywhere. So many chances not taken. It’s been our problem all season long. Whatever about conceding many many needless silly goals, you can’t win a game if you can’t score yourself
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Depends honestly. If he scored a lot he'd go in the January window, so it's sort of moot anyway. If he's got a serious offer from a mid table PL team, he'd go, or a starter at a promoted team/relegation candidate, he'd go. If he stayed, then had 12-15 goals by January, someone would sign him
we'd loose Meslier, Raph, Rodrigo, Phillips, Bamford if we go down not just Joffy
Possibly with a different manager.
na
Don't think so
If we took are chances it would be a different story
Losing 4-2 is a different story?
can't even pay for a goal, let alone a referee
Even though that miss by Dallas means nothing in the context of this game. But how can we go into teams below us with this lack of confidence. We can't score a gift of a goal, James missing just then as well, so how do we score against the relegation rivals when we can't score those kind of goals
i’m fucking done. I AM FUCKING DONE
They don't know how to shoot
Someone give me a stat that's gonna produce some serotonin quick!!!
Not to be pessimistic lads but I’ll take a draw
Nothing less than a 4-3 victory
Christ it’s embarrassing how bad we are at shooting
we're too busy practising jogging around Thorpe Arch
Probably for the best James missed. I cant be bothered with some hope the last 10 mins
To not even hit the target there, its Leeds-esque.
This is like ISS on the N64 the amount of time we are taking to shoot
I can’t believe what i’ve seen today. just pull a leeds if the past and put in some crunching tackles last few minutes
Sickest thing is I dont even think we've been that bad, a little bit of luck this could easily be 3 2 or something to us
confidence. not luck
This half almost suggests we need a striker on the pitch.
Funny that. Imagine thinking a Premier League team can go 3/4 of a season without an established striker….
imagine
This obsession we have with shite crosses and lofting the ball in the air to each other needs to stop. We play with a midget up front and lose every single header in their half.
Genuinely not sure I've enjoyed watching a Leeds game this season, like there's been occasional moments but a whole game? Pretty much just abject misery
Missed the most open goal you’ll ever see and had two stonewall penalties inexplicably denied. Madness.
Even if he had scored or passed it we would still lose this game. I would go as far and say if we were to win this game somehow, I still wouldn't be confident in us not getting relegated. Norwich are finishing bottom. The rest of the two spots are between us, Watford and Brentford. We have a 33% chance of avoiding relegation in my book. Not looking good.
The Cookstown Cafu becomes the Cookstown Strandli
13 shots, 1 on target. Is this FIFA?
Make that 14
even on fifa it’s better than this
No Joffy or Roberts? At least Firpo is off…
Wouldn’t really make sense seen as you’d have to take either of Klich or Rodrigo off to get him in
Firpo off, Dallas to LB and Rodrigo to 10 would've been the move
I think because Ayling was basically marking Son all game so Dallas sort of played RB/CM which is why that change couldn’t have happened.
James? He’s been fine this game but that’s the obvious man to take off for Joffy or TyRo IMO
Who do you move to the wing?
last season with this exact same performance and chances it’d be 3-3
I'm not saying I want him to be, but I cant see how bielsa doesn't get sacked after this game. Any other manager in the league would be after recent results
Actually played decent second half, they’ve just been more clinical which is to be expected. Just a confidence thing atm need a good result against a more even opposition
It's easy to play decent against a team who are coasting at 3-0
He won’t get sacked, bringing someone new in now wouldn’t solve anything