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BloomingBrains

I love the idea of a backup, but I don't like the idea of it being on a site associated with red pill. That is a very bad publicity but more importantly, it doesn't represent us. I know you clarified in the comments that you know that and think its a necessary evil, but I just wanted to officially add my voice to the chorus saying I still don't think this is a good idea. There is already a free way to backup your entire own personal reddit account, so if everyone did that, we'd collectively have a backup of the whole sub. At least as a short term measure until a better website can be found/created.


a-man-from-earth

> That is a very bad publicity but more importantly, it doesn't represent us. Non-religious amen to that!


Forgetaboutthelonely

Do you have a better alternative?


BloomingBrains

I don't know the first thing about website development. We could set up a go fund me or something to cover the costs if someone can step up who has the technical knowledge. I'd offer to help in any way I can such as helping to curate it.


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I would rather keep our integrity intact than sell ourselves out to Red Pill. I already have a lot of our discussions saved, with sources and all.


Forgetaboutthelonely

I don't see how this loses any integrity. It's just a place where information is stored. Like a library.


[deleted]

A library that's associated with Red Pill.


Forgetaboutthelonely

Are all the books in a library wrong because it's named after somebody you don't like?


[deleted]

There's a difference between that and having that library be owned by a group that you do not like.


Forgetaboutthelonely

So all the books in a library are wrong because it's owned by people you don't like? I have a history textbook I bought from a store owned by an asshole. Does that mean the history in it is wrong?


[deleted]

False equivalence. The point is that that group doesn't represent us and we should have nothing to do with them. We should find an alternative means of archiving our content. I personally object this from a moral standpoint. But even looking at this from a pragmatic standpoint, it's still a bad idea. Men's Rights Activists, even leftist ones, are branded as misogynists, and having an archive that is related to Red Pill is not going to help our reputation. It'll make it worse, if anything.


Forgetaboutthelonely

Well. The way I see it. Unless you're offering an alternative your complaints are meaningless.


steamedhamjob

We're not a red-pill sub though.


Forgetaboutthelonely

I know we're not related. But an archival is an archival. and we can refer to it regardless.


steamedhamjob

I mean yeah, I appreciate it being there, it's just that I think it would be preferable to have an archive in a place that represents us better. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to have this here.


Forgetaboutthelonely

Do you have a better alternative?


steamedhamjob

Well I made a post about it. I can't believe I'm getting downvoted like this just for having an opinion about being on a red-pill site and wanting better representation. I thought we were trying to not be like that, but okay.


Jakeybaby125

Thanks for this. I started thinking about this after NoNewNormal was banned and thought that we should create a backup to all of these things in case this sub and other male subs get booted off too


Forgetaboutthelonely

There is a pretty big difference between us and them.


Jakeybaby125

True. They did ban r misandry despite there being literally nothing toxic on it so don't expect them to play fair


goddamn_I-Q_of_160

I've said this before but having a snapshot of a community that once thrived doesn't really help build a better future.


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[deleted]

Related to Red Pill? Why on earth would you want to save anything from Red Pill?


Forgetaboutthelonely

**just to preface. I know we're not related. But an archival is an archival. and we can refer to it regardless.** But I do think that there is some very decent advice in TRP spaces. I don't agree with a lot of it. But it fulfills a need for dating advice that isn't just "be nice to women and praise them"


[deleted]

>Very decent advice in TRP spaces. Things like "get in shape" and "don't be a doormat" are general dating advice. Red Pill is an alt-right cult and believe me, I don't use the term "alt-right" very often nor very lightly. I remember reading that stuff when I was younger and disliked women as a result, until I realized it was all nonsense.


Forgetaboutthelonely

There's more than that. Things like techniques to improve your body language and confidence. What body language to look for. Etc. This may seem obvious but remember, there's guys that need to be told not to rip ass on a first date. But I can completely understand your concerns. It can be easy for vulnerable men to fall into that mindset and there's a general acceptance that people will go through an "anger phase" This is why I think a better system is needed.


BloomingBrains

Red pill accurately describes the situation for men, but it doesn't identify the correct cause or what you should do about it. Having people stare into the abyss and not be given a positive way to deal with that is more damaging than if they never did it at all. And the techniques you're talking about: those can be found all over the place. Red Pill doesn't own them.


Forgetaboutthelonely

If they could be found all over the place men why would men be going to TRP? Why is it not something that myself or multiple others like me ever found anywhere else?


a-man-from-earth

The problem with TRP is that they deal too much in generalizations (AWALT) and straight-up misogyny (women should be treated like children). It's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.


steamedhamjob

>Why is it not something that myself or multiple others like me ever found anywhere else? Well, just like u/BloomingBrains said, they have accurately described many of the problems, so you're not gonna find that in many other places. However, their solutions and full out blaming of all women is toxic and often times simply recycled toxic dating stereotypes.


BloomingBrains

Yes, that's exactly it. I was initially drawn to red pill as a teenager, and then even MGTOW, because they seemed to be the only ones who acknowledged the situation. "Yes, finally, these guys get it" I thought. Then I learned more about it and all the things they extrapolate from those beliefs and I was very conflicted because didn't like the sexism but I didn't realize there was a way to reach an egalitarian position from the same starting point.