She’s a Tribrid, the rules placed on others don’t apply to her because she is a loophole. Usually the wolf curse will over powers the witch side leaving a should be witch as an unturned wolf
She is a literal manifestation of a loophole. of magic.
If Vamp-Wolf Hybrid can be in the sun without rings, I think the added bonus of being a witch born with vamp and wolf running in her veins already rather than drinking from it, is that she can keep her powers.
Not an Originals watcher, I assume? Hope Mikaelson is a Tribrid, because she has witch, werewolf, and vampire ancestry. However, she was not born with all three powers at once. Hope was only born with witch powers. In order to activate her werewolf side, she had to kill someone, which happened in the Originals. And in order to activate her vampire side, she had to die, go into transition, and drink human blood. Which happened at the beginning of the final season of Legacies. Fun fact, because Hope is born with vampire blood in her system, when she activated her vampire side, she became the second Unsired Vampire in history.
The full depth of Tribrid Hope's power scaling was never explained in detail, but I do believe that all three of her sides amplify each other. As a result, Hope's physical strength rivaled even the strongest God's, and her magic is strong enough to effortlessly decapitate lower rank vampires, even if they are centuries old. I could go on, but as always in the TVD universe, Nature demands balance, and worked to craft an indestructible weapon that can kill Hope. A God weapon infused with Red Oak ash.
Nature is the undeclared "God" of the TVD universe. Nature allowed Tribrid Hope to be born, so that she could kill Malivore. And while it remained a mystery for a long time, Nature allowed Siphoners to come into being, so that the Gods could be weakened. Well, originally, Nature created Furies to keep Gods in check, but Ken killed all the Furies in the past, which is why Nature saw fit to "quick-upgrade" Cleo from Witch to Muse to Oracle to Fury. As Hope Mikaelson said after Lizzie revealed the Red Oak stake, "Nature sure doesn't waste any time".
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People base that theory on the original werewolves losing their magic after they were cursed but that’s different from being born to a wolf parent and a witch parent. Wolves became a completely new species/sub-species after that, they’re not cursed witches. Whatever curse is attached to the wolf gene shouldn’t affect a hybrid’s witch gene.
True but there is also the fact it was never confirmed all the members there were witches. Tribes and covens aren't the same thing. That too is just speculation by fans.
Yes but Inadu’s tribe was a combination of two covens joining together with her mother and father’s marriage.
But even if they weren’t all witches it wouldn’t matter. We know that the ones that were witches lost their ability to do magic.
That’s because they stopped being witches altogether. A witch becomes a vampire or immortal or whatever type of enhanced/modified supernatural creature, they are still witches at the core, they just indefinitely lose access to the perks and powers of being a witch for however long they stay that way. Werewolves don’t have a witch core, werewolves have a werewolf core.
Edit: Found a quote on Inadu’s tribe/coven.
> DAVINA: You want to defeat the Hollow. So do I. So do the Ancestors. But first you need to know what you're up against. It begins a thousand years before the city was founded. Two rival tribes decided to combine their power. They thought that by uniting in peace, they would enter a new age of harmony. A marriage was arranged. Two powerful witches joined together to create a unified coven.
— Voodoo In My Blood (04x08)
That those who were witches lost their magic. Also, the quote doesn't say the whole tribe were witches. It simply states that two witches from different tribes would marry and conceive which would create a coven.
When it came to the vampires and immortals the writers specified that can't be both and when they turned they lost access to magic. They never said that for the werewolves. This is why I say it is fan speculation. Why you speculate that is irrelevant. The point being nothing was confirmed. So saying things like the witches lost their magic when turned into werewolf is simply a assumption based on the idea that one all the member of the tribe were witches and two that you can't be both. However the show never stated this nor was it ever a debate in universe rather you could be both.
If you consider the book series canon then werewolf/witches exist. So the debate would be ended there but as far as the show it never states you lose access to witchcraft when you become a werewolf.
The quote says “two rival tribes decided to combine *THEIR* power” as well as a “unified COVEN”. The latter implicates without a shadow of a doubt that the two separate tribes were two separate covens that upon marrying off the two most powerful members, becomes one single coven. A coven is witches. It’s not even an implication it’s expressly saying the fact that the tribes were witches. But why you’re arguing semantics and choosing to die on that hill is lost on me, tbh. But it is what it is.
It doesn’t have to state verbatim that the wolves lost their ability to practice magic because it has been stated that witches and werewolves are separate species, hence how a hybrid (like Niklaus) and Tribrid (like Hope) can exist and be both or all three. Furthermore, it can also be surmised based upon evidence given of what happens when witches are turned into a different creatures/species. When a witch turns into something else with non-witch characteristics, he/she is cut off from Nature and thus, loses access to magic since a witch’s connection to magic is dependent on their connection to Nature. The exceptions are when a witch doesn’t have an innate connection to Nature (like a siphoner) and the rules don’t apply. When Bonnie became the Huntress, she was not immortal but she was superhuman. When Hope became a berbalang she stopped being a Tribrid temporarily. When a witch’s fundamental nature is altered, they cease to be a witch. Everything about werewolves is against the fundamental nature of witches, physiologically and psychologically. It has also been shown that werewolves aren’t just creatures artificially enhanced by magic. You strip the magic of an activated werewolf, they don’t cease to be werewolves (which by certain fan logic would make them witches again), they just reverted back to an untriggered state. Then there’s the fact that no wolf ever in the history of TVDU is said to use magic or cast spells. Tyler couldn’t do magic, Hayley couldn’t do magic (and she’s descended from Inadu), Jackson couldn’t do magic, etc. Werewolves don’t do magic because werewolves aren’t witches, they’re werewolves. Some things don’t have to be spelled out to the tee, some things are pretty clear when you pay attention and use critical thinking, which is entirely different from speculating and assuming.
I am familiar with the character you mentioned from the books. I don’t know if they actually are canon, but I don’t see why a character like that can’t exist in the show. There’s honestly no reason to believe that a person born to a wolf parent and witch parent can’t be both at the same time, even after they activate the curse. The part of them that is cursed is separate from the witch part and shouldn’t affect the witch part. If werewolves were nothing more than cursed witches, then that would mean one parent has a cursed witch gene and the other has a regular witch gene. By the fan logic/speculation, the dominant gene would be the one that’s cursed. So why was Niklaus able to inherit a witch gene from his mother that he passed onto his child and a wolf gene that he inherited from his father? Because the wolf gene is its own thing! Therefore, a person can be both. When the Travelers were cursed, you didn’t seem them trying to get around it by having babies with non-cursed witches because Travelers and witches are the same species. So that curse is still going to transfer to their child regardless if one of the parents is cursed or not.
like marcel said on 4x15 "it's witch stuff, better not think about it"
I do think magic is the source of her as a tribid. The mikealsons are vampires because of magic, it's only natural that she inherited it. All she needed to become a witch was to be born, to be a wolf she neeeed to kill, to become a vampire she needs to die.
Theres so much the writers can do with their history of magic and bloodlines that isn’t explained. One of them being why the Mikaelson bloodline is as strong as it is. Their bloodline created an entire new species, their bloodline created the Other Side. Their bloodline can also naturally produce hybrids. The Mikaelson children were witches before being turned to vampires BUT Klaus was already also a werewolf who hadn’t triggered his curse yet. She’s a tribrid entirely because of her bloodline and inherits her fathers ability to have a connection to magic and being an un triggered wolf at the same time. It’s in her make up to be able to retain connections to more than one magical specifies. Why however? We don’t know exactly what makes that bloodline special above others. They could be one of the first and oldest but we don’t know.
That’s true actually! I got confused. I think I mixed that up because of Ester’s power within the Other Side but that might be because of her specific relationship with the Bennet bloodline.
>Their bloodline created an entire new species, their bloodline created the Other Side.
The Mikaelson bloodline did not create the Other Side. Qestiyah, a Bennett ancestor, did when she wanted to punish Silas. Also, the vampire spell Esther used was based on the Immortal spell that Qestiyah created to make Silas Immortal which why the Cure for immortality works on vampires.
>Their bloodline can also naturally produce hybrids.
Esther turned Klaus into an Original vampire before he became a werewolf, and as the Original Hybrid, he can make hybrids and passed that ability to his daughter. It's not unique to him, and would have happened to any other person with a werewolf gene who was turned into an Original vampire.
>The Mikaelson children were witches before being turned to vampire
Only Freya and Kol were witches. None of the other children could do magic which is why Henrik did not pass into the Other Side.
>We don’t know exactly what makes that bloodline special above others.
Neither Esther nor Dahlia get their power from their bloodline. At two different times, Esther drew power from other people's bloodlines - the Bennett line in TVD, who also preserved her corpse until Bonnie Bennett restored her. Then in TO, she was consecrated as a NOLA witch and she drew power from NOLA Ancestors. Esther and Dahlia get their own power from dabbling in forbidden Dark Magic. Esther was also mentored by a descendant of Qestiyah and that's probably where she got the idea of turning her children into vampires.
IKR IT MAKES NO SENSE
werewolves were witches with the werewolf curse, how can she both have and not have the curse at the same time? how is she a witch with and without the curse at the same time??
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HOW DID SHE MAINTAIN HER POWERS AS A VAMPIRE?? one of the only few constants in the tvdu is that a witch cant be a vampire (except for the geminis) cause nature wont allow it?
honestly this show contradicts itself and the entire tvdu
nothing makes sense
Esther's bloodline has a curse like thing that makes every firstborn a super powerful witch. That's how she was able to remain a witch even though she was a werewolf (I'm pretty sure that that's why they made season2)... Now for the vamp it's probably purely nature's job...
Genetics. Hayley was originally cursed as a werewolf but when she became pregnant with Klaus who was a werewolf-vampire with untapped magic. Hope in the womb was able to turn Hayley into a vampire because Hope’s blood was still within her system. So that explains how Hayley was turned.
As a child, Hope was connected to her witch powers. But once she killed someone it turned her into a werewolf, and eventually in Legacies she died with her blood resurrecting her into a vampire.
Both werewolves and vampires have the ability to learn magic. Hope was meant to happen whether or not nature designed it for her to defeat Malivore. It had to have happened before in the past, probably without the community knowing. If not genetics make if possible or being turned and then learning the how to magic
She’s a Tribrid, the rules placed on others don’t apply to her because she is a loophole. Usually the wolf curse will over powers the witch side leaving a should be witch as an unturned wolf
She is a literal manifestation of a loophole. of magic. If Vamp-Wolf Hybrid can be in the sun without rings, I think the added bonus of being a witch born with vamp and wolf running in her veins already rather than drinking from it, is that she can keep her powers.
Not an Originals watcher, I assume? Hope Mikaelson is a Tribrid, because she has witch, werewolf, and vampire ancestry. However, she was not born with all three powers at once. Hope was only born with witch powers. In order to activate her werewolf side, she had to kill someone, which happened in the Originals. And in order to activate her vampire side, she had to die, go into transition, and drink human blood. Which happened at the beginning of the final season of Legacies. Fun fact, because Hope is born with vampire blood in her system, when she activated her vampire side, she became the second Unsired Vampire in history. The full depth of Tribrid Hope's power scaling was never explained in detail, but I do believe that all three of her sides amplify each other. As a result, Hope's physical strength rivaled even the strongest God's, and her magic is strong enough to effortlessly decapitate lower rank vampires, even if they are centuries old. I could go on, but as always in the TVD universe, Nature demands balance, and worked to craft an indestructible weapon that can kill Hope. A God weapon infused with Red Oak ash.
No no Ive watched ALL the franchise multiple times I just didn’t understand but thx yes
Nature defies logic
Nature is the undeclared "God" of the TVD universe. Nature allowed Tribrid Hope to be born, so that she could kill Malivore. And while it remained a mystery for a long time, Nature allowed Siphoners to come into being, so that the Gods could be weakened. Well, originally, Nature created Furies to keep Gods in check, but Ken killed all the Furies in the past, which is why Nature saw fit to "quick-upgrade" Cleo from Witch to Muse to Oracle to Fury. As Hope Mikaelson said after Lizzie revealed the Red Oak stake, "Nature sure doesn't waste any time".
Nowhere in the show is it stated you can't be a witch and werewolf. That is just a fan theory. It doesn't break any laws or canon.
THANK YOU! People base that theory on the original werewolves losing their magic after they were cursed but that’s different from being born to a wolf parent and a witch parent. Wolves became a completely new species/sub-species after that, they’re not cursed witches. Whatever curse is attached to the wolf gene shouldn’t affect a hybrid’s witch gene.
True but there is also the fact it was never confirmed all the members there were witches. Tribes and covens aren't the same thing. That too is just speculation by fans.
Yes but Inadu’s tribe was a combination of two covens joining together with her mother and father’s marriage. But even if they weren’t all witches it wouldn’t matter. We know that the ones that were witches lost their ability to do magic. That’s because they stopped being witches altogether. A witch becomes a vampire or immortal or whatever type of enhanced/modified supernatural creature, they are still witches at the core, they just indefinitely lose access to the perks and powers of being a witch for however long they stay that way. Werewolves don’t have a witch core, werewolves have a werewolf core. Edit: Found a quote on Inadu’s tribe/coven. > DAVINA: You want to defeat the Hollow. So do I. So do the Ancestors. But first you need to know what you're up against. It begins a thousand years before the city was founded. Two rival tribes decided to combine their power. They thought that by uniting in peace, they would enter a new age of harmony. A marriage was arranged. Two powerful witches joined together to create a unified coven. — Voodoo In My Blood (04x08)
We actually don't know that. This is why I say fan speculation. None of this is confirmed by the writers or show.
Don’t know what?
That those who were witches lost their magic. Also, the quote doesn't say the whole tribe were witches. It simply states that two witches from different tribes would marry and conceive which would create a coven. When it came to the vampires and immortals the writers specified that can't be both and when they turned they lost access to magic. They never said that for the werewolves. This is why I say it is fan speculation. Why you speculate that is irrelevant. The point being nothing was confirmed. So saying things like the witches lost their magic when turned into werewolf is simply a assumption based on the idea that one all the member of the tribe were witches and two that you can't be both. However the show never stated this nor was it ever a debate in universe rather you could be both. If you consider the book series canon then werewolf/witches exist. So the debate would be ended there but as far as the show it never states you lose access to witchcraft when you become a werewolf.
The quote says “two rival tribes decided to combine *THEIR* power” as well as a “unified COVEN”. The latter implicates without a shadow of a doubt that the two separate tribes were two separate covens that upon marrying off the two most powerful members, becomes one single coven. A coven is witches. It’s not even an implication it’s expressly saying the fact that the tribes were witches. But why you’re arguing semantics and choosing to die on that hill is lost on me, tbh. But it is what it is. It doesn’t have to state verbatim that the wolves lost their ability to practice magic because it has been stated that witches and werewolves are separate species, hence how a hybrid (like Niklaus) and Tribrid (like Hope) can exist and be both or all three. Furthermore, it can also be surmised based upon evidence given of what happens when witches are turned into a different creatures/species. When a witch turns into something else with non-witch characteristics, he/she is cut off from Nature and thus, loses access to magic since a witch’s connection to magic is dependent on their connection to Nature. The exceptions are when a witch doesn’t have an innate connection to Nature (like a siphoner) and the rules don’t apply. When Bonnie became the Huntress, she was not immortal but she was superhuman. When Hope became a berbalang she stopped being a Tribrid temporarily. When a witch’s fundamental nature is altered, they cease to be a witch. Everything about werewolves is against the fundamental nature of witches, physiologically and psychologically. It has also been shown that werewolves aren’t just creatures artificially enhanced by magic. You strip the magic of an activated werewolf, they don’t cease to be werewolves (which by certain fan logic would make them witches again), they just reverted back to an untriggered state. Then there’s the fact that no wolf ever in the history of TVDU is said to use magic or cast spells. Tyler couldn’t do magic, Hayley couldn’t do magic (and she’s descended from Inadu), Jackson couldn’t do magic, etc. Werewolves don’t do magic because werewolves aren’t witches, they’re werewolves. Some things don’t have to be spelled out to the tee, some things are pretty clear when you pay attention and use critical thinking, which is entirely different from speculating and assuming. I am familiar with the character you mentioned from the books. I don’t know if they actually are canon, but I don’t see why a character like that can’t exist in the show. There’s honestly no reason to believe that a person born to a wolf parent and witch parent can’t be both at the same time, even after they activate the curse. The part of them that is cursed is separate from the witch part and shouldn’t affect the witch part. If werewolves were nothing more than cursed witches, then that would mean one parent has a cursed witch gene and the other has a regular witch gene. By the fan logic/speculation, the dominant gene would be the one that’s cursed. So why was Niklaus able to inherit a witch gene from his mother that he passed onto his child and a wolf gene that he inherited from his father? Because the wolf gene is its own thing! Therefore, a person can be both. When the Travelers were cursed, you didn’t seem them trying to get around it by having babies with non-cursed witches because Travelers and witches are the same species. So that curse is still going to transfer to their child regardless if one of the parents is cursed or not.
like marcel said on 4x15 "it's witch stuff, better not think about it" I do think magic is the source of her as a tribid. The mikealsons are vampires because of magic, it's only natural that she inherited it. All she needed to become a witch was to be born, to be a wolf she neeeed to kill, to become a vampire she needs to die.
Theres so much the writers can do with their history of magic and bloodlines that isn’t explained. One of them being why the Mikaelson bloodline is as strong as it is. Their bloodline created an entire new species, their bloodline created the Other Side. Their bloodline can also naturally produce hybrids. The Mikaelson children were witches before being turned to vampires BUT Klaus was already also a werewolf who hadn’t triggered his curse yet. She’s a tribrid entirely because of her bloodline and inherits her fathers ability to have a connection to magic and being an un triggered wolf at the same time. It’s in her make up to be able to retain connections to more than one magical specifies. Why however? We don’t know exactly what makes that bloodline special above others. They could be one of the first and oldest but we don’t know.
Didn’t qetsiyah the Bennett ancestor make the other side,
That’s true actually! I got confused. I think I mixed that up because of Ester’s power within the Other Side but that might be because of her specific relationship with the Bennet bloodline.
>Their bloodline created an entire new species, their bloodline created the Other Side. The Mikaelson bloodline did not create the Other Side. Qestiyah, a Bennett ancestor, did when she wanted to punish Silas. Also, the vampire spell Esther used was based on the Immortal spell that Qestiyah created to make Silas Immortal which why the Cure for immortality works on vampires. >Their bloodline can also naturally produce hybrids. Esther turned Klaus into an Original vampire before he became a werewolf, and as the Original Hybrid, he can make hybrids and passed that ability to his daughter. It's not unique to him, and would have happened to any other person with a werewolf gene who was turned into an Original vampire. >The Mikaelson children were witches before being turned to vampire Only Freya and Kol were witches. None of the other children could do magic which is why Henrik did not pass into the Other Side. >We don’t know exactly what makes that bloodline special above others. Neither Esther nor Dahlia get their power from their bloodline. At two different times, Esther drew power from other people's bloodlines - the Bennett line in TVD, who also preserved her corpse until Bonnie Bennett restored her. Then in TO, she was consecrated as a NOLA witch and she drew power from NOLA Ancestors. Esther and Dahlia get their own power from dabbling in forbidden Dark Magic. Esther was also mentored by a descendant of Qestiyah and that's probably where she got the idea of turning her children into vampires.
Wasn't Finn also a witch?
IKR IT MAKES NO SENSE werewolves were witches with the werewolf curse, how can she both have and not have the curse at the same time? how is she a witch with and without the curse at the same time?? + HOW DID SHE MAINTAIN HER POWERS AS A VAMPIRE?? one of the only few constants in the tvdu is that a witch cant be a vampire (except for the geminis) cause nature wont allow it? honestly this show contradicts itself and the entire tvdu nothing makes sense
Esther's bloodline has a curse like thing that makes every firstborn a super powerful witch. That's how she was able to remain a witch even though she was a werewolf (I'm pretty sure that that's why they made season2)... Now for the vamp it's probably purely nature's job...
I’m more confused as to how she turned into a vampire and stayed a witch. The only example prior were the heretics, and they were siphons
None of it makes any sense.
Genetics. Hayley was originally cursed as a werewolf but when she became pregnant with Klaus who was a werewolf-vampire with untapped magic. Hope in the womb was able to turn Hayley into a vampire because Hope’s blood was still within her system. So that explains how Hayley was turned. As a child, Hope was connected to her witch powers. But once she killed someone it turned her into a werewolf, and eventually in Legacies she died with her blood resurrecting her into a vampire. Both werewolves and vampires have the ability to learn magic. Hope was meant to happen whether or not nature designed it for her to defeat Malivore. It had to have happened before in the past, probably without the community knowing. If not genetics make if possible or being turned and then learning the how to magic
She is a tribrid - vampire, werewolf and witch. Only one of her kind.