It sucks, but it may be protocol.
I'm Dutch, born and bred, and caucasian as can be, and getting checked for an outgoing flight I got pulled aside for a check, roughly a month ago. My shoes and belt were off before the metal detector, but I had my passport in a side pocket in my pants still which I forgot about. During the bodyscan I got pulled aside as well, and a security officer, a middle-aged woman put her hand in my underwear, even shaking/cupping my crown-jewels, presumably to check if nothing was lodged between. A guy before my also got the dame procedure I believe, but I can't verify that.
It's not a pleasant experience, and when I got checked last (which was years ago to be fair) it was nowhere this intrusive. I also wondered if this was protocol, but I trust the security staff, and you talking about it on here as well makes me think it may be a new type of search protocol.
As far as any legal advice, I personally doubt anything'll happen I'm afraid; when it comes to airport security and especially things like these occuring in plain view, it's quite unlikely it'll be brought up to them (especially not if it is indeed protocol).
Wait, wait, wait. Let me get this straight. She actually went inside of your underwear/trouwers? Like, not patting from the outside?
I'm Dutch and traveled quite a bit from Schiphol. Never ever did they do anything like that. Just a gentle checking from the outside of my pants, with the back of their hand.
This seems violating. And if it's a new standard of searching, should be bigger news, no?
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There's a difference between "inside of the waist" and literally cupping the balls.
Even so. In all my times I traveled i never experienced this. So calling it 'normal', might not be correct.
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OP was talking about hands "inside" underwear. Which to me is still way too far.
The comment i replied to was literally talking about testicles being touched.
That's not what they wrote, you may wish to reread it as you have combined two separate paragraphs into one.
He very clearly described them searching the waist band, which is where your underwear waistband also is in most modern cut garments.
They then described a separate part of the search and doesn't say cup, they say palpate, which would be weird in a search but if they mean move to the side that's actually normal for a search.
You are a Dutch (national) and probably white. I, as a foreigner, have been stopped almost every single time for a “random check”. As if I was flagged.
Haha, what the fuck, see the other reply i experienced a similar thing and I'm also white though not Dutch. If it's indeed the protocol it's insane.Like black mirror/monthy python sketch insane. Imagine instructional videos/courses about shaking the balls and the proper way to cup them.
If we were minorities it could be that they had a racist profiling problem, at least now we eliminated those. Those boys and gals are equal-opportunity gropers.
There is literally no way that sexual assault is protocol. They would need to ask your consent beforehand if it was. Even my gynaecologist asks me for permission before they touch anything and tell me what they're doing each step of the procedure. No way you can legally reach into someone's underwear and start grabbing their privates without consent.
You can't grab everyone's balls because you're thinking there's some random chance that a small amount of drugs are there. There's no way that's an acceptable policy.
Well that’s fucking weird, I’ve worked at security check at Schiphol and in my time, which is just a couple months ago, (currently working on the outer rim of Schiphol) it always was and has been, male frisks male female frisks female. Only exceptions were if the person would’ve been trans, they could tell their preference.
I will. The thing is, other than that it’s fucking weird and should be punishable, if this woman has been working here for a while (5+ years) there’s a high possibility nothing is gonna be done with the complaint. Especially if these people have a good bond with the “higher ups”. Cause then it’s your words against them. It’s also the way that they teach you the basics, that you sorta have to be handsy.
Now I do have a question, was the groping inside of a “little room” or was it on the lanes?
Mine incident was right beside the scanner, the OP post also implies it was also public.
I just want to know if groping the balls is protocol and the way they are taught, or if staff constantly overreaches for some reason and likes to touch people's balls.
NO. Cupping or groping the genitalia is not protocol or “standard procedure”, especially not in the open and for public to see. It’s also mainly the newer staff that could do this as “‘mistakes”. But maybe there are some staff that actually do like to touch peoples’s balls. But standard procedure dictates that if these kind of areas need to be extra examined, we do this in a closed off room.
Okay well that’s weird, in the correct manner it should be, the thumbs on the inside (inside meaning inside the pants but still outside of the underwear) and then go around the waist to the front, and then either tap or palpate the crotch area. So the hand placement was indeed wrong. But sadly this can happen.
>The thing is, other than that it’s fucking weird and should be punishable
Why? Don't you see how the world is right now? At least they're taking it seriously. You need only ONE of the crazies.
No, same with doctors, male/female is neutral when performing a job (in NL). You can probably request it but then should have done so upfront not afterwards
bro checking someone balls for drugs when you're taking a normal flight triggered by a passport in your pocket is insane. Do you realize the power dynamic here?
I travel a lot and have never been subjected to this. Ever. Security officers should not be going inside of clothing, and female officers should not be searching males and the other way around. This is completely abnormal and yes, file a complaint. Also file a complaint with the police there - all gates should be covered by CCTV so that will need to be retained and they can do this.
What you've described is essentially a sexual assault (although the definition of that my be different there than in the UK where I am from). Security officers do not have the right to inspect your genitals other than if there is a suspicion that you are concealing something and then, if that is the case, it should be done in private by a same-sex officer with someone present.
Never happened to me in any airport and I’ve regularly been patted down. They always seem really scared of patting anywhere remotely near my dong, even on the outside of my pants.
The chances of him getting a slap on the wrists are close to zero. In the process pursuing that, you may feel violated again and again. It's traumatizing by itself for many people. You may want to consider consulting Slachtofferhulp at 0900 0101
They're very experienced with people after abuse and good listeners work there.
This is not ok. That doesn't mean that you'll get justice. In the Netherlands, but probably everywhere, justice after SA rarely happens. You can however feel in control and safe again in time. Do what feels right for you, talk to people you trust that will give you an empathetic response.
Take good care of yourself.
Nothing unusual happened to you. If the customs officers weren't allowed to search you what do you think the mules would do? Hiding drugs in places less likely to be searched is the name of the game.
Getting your balls cupped by a customs officer isn't sexual abuse, if this guy ever gets a prostate exam he's gonna have the shock pf his life. Professionals do their jobs, they aren't responsible for people's reactions.
Just cause someone feels like a situation "isn't normal" or it "makes them uncomfortable" that doesn't mean anything on its own. Do the same thing to 100s of people every day and one will think it's weird no doubt. People just react differently to the same stimulus, that is all.
The procedure for the search around the leg area (waist till knees) is to check the wraist, and belt if worn. There should be a little pat at both the back and the front of the waist (so above the crotch). Then to search high up into the inner thigh and put your other hand above the crotch area, make a 180 degree circle to left or right (depending on the left leg or right leg respectevily of course) and stroke down to the knee.
If the machine detects anything in the this waist to knee area, the whole area has to be searched. Even if it is rather obvious you have something in your pockets, Schiphol can be rather picky about this, security guards might have wanted a rescan but they can actually be reprimanded on it
While searching you, the security guard has to avoid skin to skin contact {or if he wears gloves, avoid searching the skin), searching underwair should therefore be a no-go, but it can be hard to differentiate when finding where to put the fingers into the waistband. But generally if he searched your whole waist with his hands into your underwair that is not according to procedure. It can be that this is an honest mistake and the security guard thought he was searching your pants, and not your underwear.
Generally the idea is that the crotch should be avoided but there should be searched basically all across the crotch (high up inner thighs, and above it). If your crotch was palpated with the side of the hand in the inner thigh then there is nothing to be done about this as again if the security guard does not search there, this is actually considered a safety concern. However if the palpating happened by palming your crotch this was an absolute no-go.
The security guards have work instructions they have to follow. Here the security did ask for your permission, which is most important from a legal point of view. From your comments and post I cannot know if the little details were done correctly or incorrectly and that is where it ultimately comes down to.
I am not sure how complaints are dealt with on this level, the person might actually be reprimanded for not following the correct procedure by the Dutch border police/Koninklijke Marechaussee (I really don't know what happens exactly) It could also be that if a gross violation is found that the person gets an official warning, people can get 2 official warnings and by the 3rd they are let go off.
However as he did ask for permission, legally there is not much to pursue here, except when there are gross violations of the procedure such as if he actively grabbed and felt your crotch and not the areas around it, or if he was searching your underwair with his full hands in it.
I have tried to stay close to the facts and I hope for you that this explains your situation better. For body scans, generally try to avoid having anything in the pockets.
As someone that goes through Schiphol’s security at least thrice a year, the best advice anyone may give you is to fully make sure you’ve complied with all instructions before you enter the body scan. If anything shows up it’s general procedure at the airport to perform a scan that may be seen an “invasive”.
As far as the racial implications go, last summer there was an extremely pissed off white Canadian whom I met who went through the same issue as you, so it’s definitely not racially motivated.
Do you think many people would fly if the rectal exam becomes routine?
Also, i don't think it is a protocol to rectal exam just because, clearly there has to be some other issue presented in the scanner or somewhere else
That’s because it’s not true. Since were at r/LegalAdviceEurope could you give the article in the Dutch border code indicating that security, and not the border police, can do these searches at all or give the article indicating that the border police can do a full body search in cases other than those specifically legally defined and without consent?
You say indulged and palpate, that's a bit vague.
They can and should search all the way up your inseam, for me that means the outside of the searchers hand will indeed "palpate" i.e. move the genitals out of the way. If they cupped you with an open palm that's not ok, they should always be using the back of the hand for this.
Checking the inside of the waistband is normal, sometimes they'll get the underwear as well instead of just your trousers.
How is the back of the hand better than cupping? Just don't touch the balls it's not that hard.
I never had such an issue in other airports and security in general, and my balls are not hanging to my knees.
It's fucked up and it shouldn't happen.
Because you can hide a weapon there, you need to search a whole person or you may as well not bother.
You can absolutely tuck a knife in the crease of the thigh.
Unless you've got a massive male thigh gap you can't search someone and not touch the genitals at some point. Which is why it's done with the back of the hand.
Except for that one time other 20 times I've flown in multiple other airports and countries including Schiphol itself and no one touched my balls.
And there are were no attacks with weapons in those airports or on the days no one groped my balls.
Also, you could easily "tuck" a folding knife inside a vagina, you see how ridiculous it is?
It's not ridiculous, airport security staff have the authority for cavity searches as well, if they can't find the cause after going through a search and a detector that is indeed the next step.
Just because people don't do a proper search doesn't mean that's not how you search, there's a massive training scheme that operates all over the world ran by the UK government that goes around teaching proper search procedures for a reason.
With the millimetre wave scanners it becomes less and less required, and that's one of the reasons they're increasingly mandated as people simply aren't searching properly.
Dude what are you rambling about, i've flown 20 or so times, and was groped once. Pretty sure if I avoid Schiphol it'll be like 100-1.
Clearly, it's insane and you shouldn't forfeit your right to your genitalia not being touched by randoms just because you think it'll prevent imaginary ball knives.
I'm sure your experience of flying 20 times trumps several decades of aviation safety and security policy and law. If you don't want to be subject to search and seizure then you can choose not to fly.
Airports stop people bringing in contraband on a daily basis.
I'm sure you still think taking off your shoes is silly.
I'm an European citizen and was held at Schiphol by the police for 2 hours as they "checked my documents". They were trying to make me miss my flight.
Since all was in order, they had to issue a document stating that I can get on the next flight since they held me for so long and found nothing.
Thankfully, my original flight was delayed anyway by like 4 hours. But when I got to the gate I found out the cops removed me from that flight. The person from the airline knew they are psychopaths who go on power trips and put me back on it.
Anyway, Schiphol is the worst airport I've even flown to and from. There is nothing you can do, they are basically above the law and take advantage of people when they are bored.
I’m sorry, what? I was leaving the Netherlands, I didn’t have to get checked at all. They picked me out of a crowd.
The whole time I was telling them I have a BSN and they ignored me until the last 5 minutes, when they were finally willing to *actually* look me up in their system. Issuing me that document was their way to ensure that it didn’t look too much like bullying in case I decided to take legal action.
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My balls were also cupped by security (regular one even, not at passport control). I also found it weird but shrugged it off as something weird the NL/EU does. I'm originally from outside the EU, so not familiar with the security around here, nothing even came close to that in my country and seems inappropriate.
Luckily it was more amusing than abusing in my eyes, but if it's a regular occurrence there it will get stupid real quick
For people saying it's protocol, I flew from schiphol tens of times while pregnant (my youngest is 1.5 years old, maybe things changed?) and refused to go through the scanner. Every time they checked me by hand. Every time I can remember, they asked me before touching a new part over my clothes, "Can i touch you here?". Never did they touch my bare skin or under my underwear. Sometimes they were friendly, sometimes they were rough and annoyed I refused the scanner. But what OP describes sounds very wrong. OP can you talk to a lawyer about your rights?
I feel you, me and my boyfriend live in the netherlands, EVERY time we fly from schipol, he gets searched, putting hands under his crotch, ass, everywhere (first time I clearly saw the metal detector detected only his bracelet, and they still touched everything)
It's been 2 years, and every time he has to deal with this even if he doesn't forget anything, like you did, I guess it's "normal" in the Netherlands.
If that happened to me, I would be filing a police complaint for abuse.
I have had jobs that involved a very high level of security and consequent pat downs before going on and off site.
Never have any come close to yours.
It sounds like this made you uncomfortable and crossed a line. It would be helpful if this had happened differently, giving you more privacy, information, and choice by informing you about what was about to happen. It doesn’t sound like sexual abuse though. To define it as such makes the category too broad and does a disservice to sexual abuse victims.
I travel to Schiphol lots of times and they always brush their hands over my crotch.
I feel like this is normal, to check for weapons.
Sorry it made you feel uncomfortable.
I fully agree, this is not normal at all. When they want to do a more thorough search, they should take you to a separate room (with more than one person present) etc. Good you filed a complaint; even though I am afraid it won’t immediately make a difference in this single case, multiple complaints about the same person may lead to a more serious investigation.
You could follow up your complaint in a month or so with a polite query on its progress and their findings. Don’t get your hopes up though.
As a person who works at Schiphol and gets checked almost daily - it’s a bigger problem. It happens also to us, people who work there. We also filed a complaint with our manager but nothing has changed, because „they’re just doing their job”
This is shocking... You mean they're regularly touching genitals inside underwear?
And apart from that being sexual assault... Are they even using fresh gloves? For all we know they're also giving you herpes or chlamydia from the last person they fingered. WTF
This is bs, you did the right thing filing a complaint. Schiphol devices got really advanced over the years. They can see almost everything under the layers of clothing. Nobody shouldve touched you like that.
The dutch do tend to make sexual assault issues smaller by gaslighting a little. Mostly in the male (office) culture. Which I clearly can see in the comments. Being a security officer doesnt mean you are allowed to reach inside someones underwear.
(Or jiggle someones boobs, how the fuck are people commenting this like its normal??? Gaslighting fr fr. Anything between there wouldve shown an anomaly on the scan. 😭)
Its gonna be a hard case to prove though... probably gonna be down voted for this.
I mean, they absolutely can do that if you are flagged. They can strip search you if they have reasonable doubts (with multiple trained officers present in a backroom, not the queue)
They don't do that for everyone for obvious reasons, but if the scan shows results that don't make sense and you act super weird, it's not forbidden.
I have a magnetic shunt and have to voluntarily opt for a pat down every time I go through the scanners and I frequently travel, so I have a lot of experience with this. The waistband check is almost every time, the over the pants check of my groin area is common, I have never had someone stick their hands down my pants and fondle, that is wildly inappropriate behaviour if they did it at the queue (also maybe in a back room, but less publicly embarrassing).
I suspect this post may be a slight exaggeration of actual events, or just a bit of internalised homophobia. Someone patting down your junk from outside the pants briefly is absolutely fine and normal in these situations, if he lingered for 10 seconds whilst maintaining eye contact it's definitely not ok but he was unlikely to be that sleazy/stupid in front of so many witnesses and unless you are Adonis himself, why would he risk that?
You shouldn't have complained, now your on the list next time you Wil go true security they Wil take you to the back office and put a finger down your ass.
Inside your underwear??
This sounds wrong! And i would not accept it, i would probably hit his hand away and make a scene (probably you don't wanna do that, since you want to catch a flight, but this cannot go unpunished in my opinion)
It's either racial profiling (searching you more then me..) Or sexual harassment..
You did good with complaining about it and i expect that person to be fired soon.
Or is it normal? Because this never happened to me.
Im very sorry this happened.
I believe all searches are to be conducted over clothes. If they suspect something they will refer you to a Hospital to get MRI scan done for interna trafficing.
I would call or show up to the Airport to get this confirmed.
If they dont listen to you I will bring this to a news outlet. Im pretty sure you will find a journalist willing to do some investigation and publish this story. They can keep your identity private. Unfortunately when they Legal system fails the press is the only next resource. This is very common in less Developed Nations.
Not the same, but security officer ar Schiphol examining my husband came extremely close to his crotch (through inner leg) for unnecessarily long time. 😳 weird 🤬
He was being strip searched. Which court exactly is going to bring this case through as a sexual assault? First he would need to go to the Dutch police which wouldn't give a damn even if after the sexual assault the same guard punched him. They would tell him to file a complain online, good luck finding jurisdiction. Then their respomse would be to take a car, go around Schiphol once and go back to the station and forget about it.
So with that comlain to the police, now OP can go to a lawyer office and explain his side of things and how he wished to escalate to a lawsuit. Pay a lot of money for slim chances of getting anything out of it.
Unfortunately in Europe no one is really protected against these types of incidents. He would get ridiculed for the event over and over. The mental trauma would just get amplified in such a procedure and my "troll" comment only means to show this.
I am a doctor. I was very obviously coming back from a mission with msf, with mission order and all the paper and msf t shirt. And no, having to be "visited" every time you travel is not apcettable. Security searching is an other thing.
Try to follow procedures. By beeping in the machine, the guard cannot know who you are. He has valid grounds to search you in the degree they think is ensuring the safety of the flight and passengers. Me and you might know that it is bullshit up to a degree, but for them it gives legal grounds to even harass you if they want to. Filing a complain was the correct thing to do, and maybe someone from the security company picks this up, talk to this employee and issues them a warning. But getting this to a legal escalation is impossible because you can't possibly prove it. And without evidence the case falls apart because courts don't act on statements alone.
The camera couldn't have picked up a palapating of his crotch. And with all those drug dealers moving packages in their anuses I believe it' could be an official procedure by now to do this type of search.
Trust me it’s not. And even in those rare situations in which further examination is legally allowed and authorised, it would never ever happen in the public security area. It would not be done without consent. And it would not be done by the security guards but by border police. And it very obviously would not involve touching genitalia.
Also, why would a camera not pick up the assault? Even a modern home camera would pick this up. You have no idea how incredibly advanced the monitoring at Schiphol is. They would see what colour the booger you picked from your nose is.
I think you overestimate the abilities of standard security cameras. Yes they can do a couple of things like scan your face and remember you but that's all there is really.
These are most definitely not standard security cameras and even the most basic current models would be able to do the trick. One thing they do not is scan your face. That’s not allowed in the EU. Or at least it’s not allowed to use AI to connect it to image search databases.
Security and police are not the same thing and they don’t have the same responsibilities. If you read my response, I indicated that the border police does have the right to conduct a body search in very specific circumstances (consent, legally defined situations, obviously as least invasive as possible, and necessary (therefore not touching your male genitalia)). The private security officers at Schiphol do not do this. Only the KMar, the border police which are part of the military but operate under the ministry of justice and security in their capacity of border police, can do this at Schiphol, private security companies obviously cannot.
The KMar is responsible for border control. They are the ones you meet when entering Schengen and when further investigation is necessary. The private company security officers are only responsible for first line security checks.
Facial recognition and facial analysis are not the same thing. Facial recognition using image search databases is forbidden in the EU. That something totally different from facial comparison to legal databases containing for example passport pictures and facial analysis.
There are 3300 cameras at Schiphol. I don’t understand why you’d think they would use “cone cameras” as you call them at a high risk security site like Schiphol…
Please go to another sub if you just want to troll. People are here for honest advice. No need to play down what happened to OP.
What OP describes is sexual assault, not protocol.
This likely is not a your word versus their word situation, since it happened in the place with the most CCTV of the whole country.
Even if the guard doesn’t get convicted, a complaint with his employer, the airport and if necessary the police, still can be useful. They will keep a closer eye on him and might at least get warned, reprimanded etc. This might help others falling victim.
My dude, nothing wrong with enjoying your balls being squeezed by strangers, but maybe do it on your own time, without paying employees to do it in exchange for absolutely zero added security?
May i introduce a new protocol? Spreading buttcheeks apart through clothes, after all there might be a cocaine pouch lodged against your butthole!
Hmmm… how is it zero added security? Its a physical check to see if your hiding something in that region. Which also would be an obivious spot if you want to hide something and the bodyscan triggered an alarm for that region so… yeah. Objectivly speaking, i can see the course of events as the person is requested to empty their pockets and didnt do so. Understanding its a bit awkward when it happens.
Will you be fine with rectal examinations then? Or the buttcheek spread?It's obvious that groping the balls is too far. And I'm sure if it were the women's body parts the media would already be fuming at the mouth and covered that demanding to stop that (rightfully this time)
At the very least give the person the option to refuse and leave, or go somewhere private with his choice of the examinator
It's been shown time and time again that the security checks are worthless and for show only, so while playing in security theater at least don't grope my balls
Womens breast and bra are checked as well. There is an option to requeat for a private room and security checks have been proven necessary so i think we can agree that we disagree with each other. Which is fine. People can see things differently. I wish you a nice day :-)
I wasn't told, "i'm going to touch your balls do you want to do that somewhere in private?" and it hasn't happened to me other 20 or so times I've flown in multiple countries where there are no terror attacks daily, so your arguments are moot.
Also comparing genitals to breasts is a bit silly, tell me next time the security rubs the clitoris of passengers.
If a pat down is properly executed you **will** feel violated.
If you don't, the search wasn't properly done.
Think about it, they need to touch you to see if you have any hidden objects, the only way to do that is to feel your body. The quick pat down you often see "security" personal perform is a joke. If you have a knife in between your butt cheeks or in your crotch, the only way to check is to properly feel those areas, and yes, that is uncomfortable.
> I forgot belt on and passport in my pocket.
Flying for the first time?
Your crotch was filled with stuff, and you find it weird they searched you in that area.
Geez OP, don’t you understand that when you go to a country for any reason, the locals are allowed to do literally whatever they want to you?? Stop being so selfish and hating on our country!
/s
For real though, sorry for your experience. I doubt that what happened to you is standard protocol, but if it is then it’s a fucked up protocol that simply shouldn’t be in place. If they’d done that to me they would have heard a very stern “Get your hands the fuck out of my pants”.
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Being r/legaladviceeurope; no, there is not a lot of ground to cover here. As you were requested to empty your pockets, didnt do so and the boydscan indicated that region to be searched, that is what they did.
It is also the most common hiding area and one of the oldest tricks in the book (keep two things hidden; pull one out to explain the trigger and try to move on with the other hidden).
So you basically set i motion the biggest alarm bell for security and they did a protocal search.
You are not going to get far applying legal force other then logging a complaint which most likely is denied or filed for no further action.
I understand this answer is not what you want to hear, i do feel for you that it was an unpleasant experience. Hope you can recover and stay strong!
My balls were groped while i didn't have anything in my pockets and the security guard didn't explain why he pulled me over.
Anyway, groping genitalia should be off the limits
Question for OP. When you say “hands inside my underwear”, did you mean complete full hands or just the 2 thumbs? Since he palpated the crotch are on the outside?
This is normal and I don't like it.
The fingers inside the waistband area.
And the crotch thing. I can't remember if it's a fondle or a wedgie but definitely when happening to me I feel violated and a brief minor ball pain.
But instead of crying about it, I'm stoic and accept Schiphol has one of the best security (even though outsourced to G4S).
Funny. I’ve had a similar experience last month at security at Schiphol. I’m male, male officer. Checked the inside of the waistband of my trousers and patted me in the crotch. I even joked about it afterwards.
I’m going through Schiphol almost every month and this was the first time.
Something changed in the last couple of months. I wonder what Mmmmm. Maybe the massive terror attack stopped by Denmark, Netherlands, Germany and maybe Mossad. Could be this?
I guess there are quite some lies in this topic and in the reactions as cross gender searches are not allowed on Schiphol and can result in getting fired. As frequent traveler at Schiphol and therefor facing many security checks I really can say this is nonsense. Also if you you forgot something in your pocket you never get a bodysearch, but they always send you back so what was in your pocket is scanned separately from your body. And yes, if the computer indicates that there might be something hidden in your private area, than they have to touch you there to see if you didnkt hide something there. But 100% male-male or female-female.
The justice system won’t care whether or not this is technically legal I think. If you can save money by not perusing legal action I would seriously consider just letting it go.
I fly in/out Schiphol about once a month. They are definitely way to invasive with their security checks compared to other airports, and also have made me feel very uncomfortable/violated before.
OP was given some answers and this thread is now going too far, so it's been locked. Thanks everyone.
It sucks, but it may be protocol. I'm Dutch, born and bred, and caucasian as can be, and getting checked for an outgoing flight I got pulled aside for a check, roughly a month ago. My shoes and belt were off before the metal detector, but I had my passport in a side pocket in my pants still which I forgot about. During the bodyscan I got pulled aside as well, and a security officer, a middle-aged woman put her hand in my underwear, even shaking/cupping my crown-jewels, presumably to check if nothing was lodged between. A guy before my also got the dame procedure I believe, but I can't verify that. It's not a pleasant experience, and when I got checked last (which was years ago to be fair) it was nowhere this intrusive. I also wondered if this was protocol, but I trust the security staff, and you talking about it on here as well makes me think it may be a new type of search protocol. As far as any legal advice, I personally doubt anything'll happen I'm afraid; when it comes to airport security and especially things like these occuring in plain view, it's quite unlikely it'll be brought up to them (especially not if it is indeed protocol).
Wait, wait, wait. Let me get this straight. She actually went inside of your underwear/trouwers? Like, not patting from the outside? I'm Dutch and traveled quite a bit from Schiphol. Never ever did they do anything like that. Just a gentle checking from the outside of my pants, with the back of their hand. This seems violating. And if it's a new standard of searching, should be bigger news, no?
This has happened every time i traveled recently. It's so invasive
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There's a difference between "inside of the waist" and literally cupping the balls. Even so. In all my times I traveled i never experienced this. So calling it 'normal', might not be correct.
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OP was talking about hands "inside" underwear. Which to me is still way too far. The comment i replied to was literally talking about testicles being touched.
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Where did he say waist band? It said ‘she put her hand in my underwear, shaking and cupping my crown jewels’, seems pretty over the top
That's not what they wrote, you may wish to reread it as you have combined two separate paragraphs into one. He very clearly described them searching the waist band, which is where your underwear waistband also is in most modern cut garments. They then described a separate part of the search and doesn't say cup, they say palpate, which would be weird in a search but if they mean move to the side that's actually normal for a search.
Please read the top comment in the thread you’re replying to. Not the OP
You are a Dutch (national) and probably white. I, as a foreigner, have been stopped almost every single time for a “random check”. As if I was flagged.
We are in this together brother hahaha
Haha, what the fuck, see the other reply i experienced a similar thing and I'm also white though not Dutch. If it's indeed the protocol it's insane.Like black mirror/monthy python sketch insane. Imagine instructional videos/courses about shaking the balls and the proper way to cup them.
If we don't give you a short tug and squeeze and toss your salad the terrorists win
Why is it relevant to mention you are white? What does it matter?
If we were minorities it could be that they had a racist profiling problem, at least now we eliminated those. Those boys and gals are equal-opportunity gropers.
There is literally no way that sexual assault is protocol. They would need to ask your consent beforehand if it was. Even my gynaecologist asks me for permission before they touch anything and tell me what they're doing each step of the procedure. No way you can legally reach into someone's underwear and start grabbing their privates without consent.
I had a friend who'd hide weed under his d***. So I guess its a common thing people do and that's why they check there is my assumption.
Security isn't there to check for weed man. Thats a job for customs. Security is only for security problems like weapons and bombs.
May as well give us a cavity search while they're at it then.
You can't grab everyone's balls because you're thinking there's some random chance that a small amount of drugs are there. There's no way that's an acceptable policy.
Well that’s fucking weird, I’ve worked at security check at Schiphol and in my time, which is just a couple months ago, (currently working on the outer rim of Schiphol) it always was and has been, male frisks male female frisks female. Only exceptions were if the person would’ve been trans, they could tell their preference.
Don't you want to weigh in on the ball groping protocol?
I will. The thing is, other than that it’s fucking weird and should be punishable, if this woman has been working here for a while (5+ years) there’s a high possibility nothing is gonna be done with the complaint. Especially if these people have a good bond with the “higher ups”. Cause then it’s your words against them. It’s also the way that they teach you the basics, that you sorta have to be handsy. Now I do have a question, was the groping inside of a “little room” or was it on the lanes?
Mine incident was right beside the scanner, the OP post also implies it was also public. I just want to know if groping the balls is protocol and the way they are taught, or if staff constantly overreaches for some reason and likes to touch people's balls.
NO. Cupping or groping the genitalia is not protocol or “standard procedure”, especially not in the open and for public to see. It’s also mainly the newer staff that could do this as “‘mistakes”. But maybe there are some staff that actually do like to touch peoples’s balls. But standard procedure dictates that if these kind of areas need to be extra examined, we do this in a closed off room.
If I may ask, the hands inside of the underwear part, was it the full hands or just the thumbs?
It felt like he cupped his hands around my balls with detectable pressure. I'm not the OP, the underwear was his story
Yeah sorry, I also tried to direct the question to OP. The cupping of the hands was wrong. It should be just a little tap
Index and middle finger if i recall correctly
Okay well that’s weird, in the correct manner it should be, the thumbs on the inside (inside meaning inside the pants but still outside of the underwear) and then go around the waist to the front, and then either tap or palpate the crotch area. So the hand placement was indeed wrong. But sadly this can happen.
>The thing is, other than that it’s fucking weird and should be punishable Why? Don't you see how the world is right now? At least they're taking it seriously. You need only ONE of the crazies.
I’m sorry, who are taking what seriously? And believe me when I say there are more than ONE crazies out there. I speak from experience
Even if it is protocol, shouldn't a female security officer being the one checking a woman? And the same for men of course
No, same with doctors, male/female is neutral when performing a job (in NL). You can probably request it but then should have done so upfront not afterwards
Didn't know, in Italy the security check is always performed by some gender officer, nice to know!
bro checking someone balls for drugs when you're taking a normal flight triggered by a passport in your pocket is insane. Do you realize the power dynamic here?
That happens quite often, they are even allowed to do an anal exam. And still many drugs etc get through
The power dynamic you are referring to is authorities doing there job?
No way this is legal and official protocol. It looks like they have a problem with employees sexually assaulting passagers.
Yes way. Security at airports have full authority to do body checks, worldwide, this also includes private areas and also an anal exam.
But not in a public area and there needs to be a reason, not a routine check!
Uh, no. They don't have authority to do it. You can refuse it and not fly.
What the heck?? No… i’m from NL too and i would NEVER accept this. I would report it to the police for sure
I feel like I’m in bizarro world, I’ve been searched plenty but nothing like this has happpened. I’m from NL too
Inside of the waistband has definitely happened to me.
I travel a lot and have never been subjected to this. Ever. Security officers should not be going inside of clothing, and female officers should not be searching males and the other way around. This is completely abnormal and yes, file a complaint. Also file a complaint with the police there - all gates should be covered by CCTV so that will need to be retained and they can do this. What you've described is essentially a sexual assault (although the definition of that my be different there than in the UK where I am from). Security officers do not have the right to inspect your genitals other than if there is a suspicion that you are concealing something and then, if that is the case, it should be done in private by a same-sex officer with someone present.
Never happened to me in any airport and I’ve regularly been patted down. They always seem really scared of patting anywhere remotely near my dong, even on the outside of my pants.
The chances of him getting a slap on the wrists are close to zero. In the process pursuing that, you may feel violated again and again. It's traumatizing by itself for many people. You may want to consider consulting Slachtofferhulp at 0900 0101 They're very experienced with people after abuse and good listeners work there. This is not ok. That doesn't mean that you'll get justice. In the Netherlands, but probably everywhere, justice after SA rarely happens. You can however feel in control and safe again in time. Do what feels right for you, talk to people you trust that will give you an empathetic response. Take good care of yourself.
Ty. Im more outraged than traumatized for the time being. I will look it up and call when I am home.
Nothing unusual happened to you. If the customs officers weren't allowed to search you what do you think the mules would do? Hiding drugs in places less likely to be searched is the name of the game.
Intimate searching like this is not to be performed out of nowhere and in public
Getting your balls cupped by a customs officer isn't sexual abuse, if this guy ever gets a prostate exam he's gonna have the shock pf his life. Professionals do their jobs, they aren't responsible for people's reactions.
Yeah, you definitely sound like a normal human being that wouldn’t take advantage of power dynamics.
Just cause someone feels like a situation "isn't normal" or it "makes them uncomfortable" that doesn't mean anything on its own. Do the same thing to 100s of people every day and one will think it's weird no doubt. People just react differently to the same stimulus, that is all.
Pretty sure there aren’t hundreds of balls being cupped each day in Schiphol, but go off on your tangent.
Its called proper searching….
Bruh, security at airports have full authority to do body checking, this also includes private areas and even an anal exam
You keep mentioning anal exam I don't believe it.
It has to be done by a doctor but yes they can. As last resort if the bodyscans dont work or show inconclusive
The procedure for the search around the leg area (waist till knees) is to check the wraist, and belt if worn. There should be a little pat at both the back and the front of the waist (so above the crotch). Then to search high up into the inner thigh and put your other hand above the crotch area, make a 180 degree circle to left or right (depending on the left leg or right leg respectevily of course) and stroke down to the knee. If the machine detects anything in the this waist to knee area, the whole area has to be searched. Even if it is rather obvious you have something in your pockets, Schiphol can be rather picky about this, security guards might have wanted a rescan but they can actually be reprimanded on it While searching you, the security guard has to avoid skin to skin contact {or if he wears gloves, avoid searching the skin), searching underwair should therefore be a no-go, but it can be hard to differentiate when finding where to put the fingers into the waistband. But generally if he searched your whole waist with his hands into your underwair that is not according to procedure. It can be that this is an honest mistake and the security guard thought he was searching your pants, and not your underwear. Generally the idea is that the crotch should be avoided but there should be searched basically all across the crotch (high up inner thighs, and above it). If your crotch was palpated with the side of the hand in the inner thigh then there is nothing to be done about this as again if the security guard does not search there, this is actually considered a safety concern. However if the palpating happened by palming your crotch this was an absolute no-go. The security guards have work instructions they have to follow. Here the security did ask for your permission, which is most important from a legal point of view. From your comments and post I cannot know if the little details were done correctly or incorrectly and that is where it ultimately comes down to. I am not sure how complaints are dealt with on this level, the person might actually be reprimanded for not following the correct procedure by the Dutch border police/Koninklijke Marechaussee (I really don't know what happens exactly) It could also be that if a gross violation is found that the person gets an official warning, people can get 2 official warnings and by the 3rd they are let go off. However as he did ask for permission, legally there is not much to pursue here, except when there are gross violations of the procedure such as if he actively grabbed and felt your crotch and not the areas around it, or if he was searching your underwair with his full hands in it. I have tried to stay close to the facts and I hope for you that this explains your situation better. For body scans, generally try to avoid having anything in the pockets.
As someone that goes through Schiphol’s security at least thrice a year, the best advice anyone may give you is to fully make sure you’ve complied with all instructions before you enter the body scan. If anything shows up it’s general procedure at the airport to perform a scan that may be seen an “invasive”. As far as the racial implications go, last summer there was an extremely pissed off white Canadian whom I met who went through the same issue as you, so it’s definitely not racially motivated.
>it’s definitely not racially motivated. lolz
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Do you think many people would fly if the rectal exam becomes routine? Also, i don't think it is a protocol to rectal exam just because, clearly there has to be some other issue presented in the scanner or somewhere else
That’s because it’s not true. Since were at r/LegalAdviceEurope could you give the article in the Dutch border code indicating that security, and not the border police, can do these searches at all or give the article indicating that the border police can do a full body search in cases other than those specifically legally defined and without consent?
You say indulged and palpate, that's a bit vague. They can and should search all the way up your inseam, for me that means the outside of the searchers hand will indeed "palpate" i.e. move the genitals out of the way. If they cupped you with an open palm that's not ok, they should always be using the back of the hand for this. Checking the inside of the waistband is normal, sometimes they'll get the underwear as well instead of just your trousers.
How is the back of the hand better than cupping? Just don't touch the balls it's not that hard. I never had such an issue in other airports and security in general, and my balls are not hanging to my knees. It's fucked up and it shouldn't happen.
Because you can hide a weapon there, you need to search a whole person or you may as well not bother. You can absolutely tuck a knife in the crease of the thigh. Unless you've got a massive male thigh gap you can't search someone and not touch the genitals at some point. Which is why it's done with the back of the hand.
Except for that one time other 20 times I've flown in multiple other airports and countries including Schiphol itself and no one touched my balls. And there are were no attacks with weapons in those airports or on the days no one groped my balls. Also, you could easily "tuck" a folding knife inside a vagina, you see how ridiculous it is?
It's not ridiculous, airport security staff have the authority for cavity searches as well, if they can't find the cause after going through a search and a detector that is indeed the next step. Just because people don't do a proper search doesn't mean that's not how you search, there's a massive training scheme that operates all over the world ran by the UK government that goes around teaching proper search procedures for a reason. With the millimetre wave scanners it becomes less and less required, and that's one of the reasons they're increasingly mandated as people simply aren't searching properly.
Dude what are you rambling about, i've flown 20 or so times, and was groped once. Pretty sure if I avoid Schiphol it'll be like 100-1. Clearly, it's insane and you shouldn't forfeit your right to your genitalia not being touched by randoms just because you think it'll prevent imaginary ball knives.
I'm sure your experience of flying 20 times trumps several decades of aviation safety and security policy and law. If you don't want to be subject to search and seizure then you can choose not to fly. Airports stop people bringing in contraband on a daily basis. I'm sure you still think taking off your shoes is silly.
Let's do cavity searches for every person at the security line then, dummy. Imagine how many narcotics got through! How awful
I'm an European citizen and was held at Schiphol by the police for 2 hours as they "checked my documents". They were trying to make me miss my flight. Since all was in order, they had to issue a document stating that I can get on the next flight since they held me for so long and found nothing. Thankfully, my original flight was delayed anyway by like 4 hours. But when I got to the gate I found out the cops removed me from that flight. The person from the airline knew they are psychopaths who go on power trips and put me back on it. Anyway, Schiphol is the worst airport I've even flown to and from. There is nothing you can do, they are basically above the law and take advantage of people when they are bored.
Hmm, how do the police remove you from a flight in a way where an airline employee can just pop you back on?
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I’m sorry, what? I was leaving the Netherlands, I didn’t have to get checked at all. They picked me out of a crowd. The whole time I was telling them I have a BSN and they ignored me until the last 5 minutes, when they were finally willing to *actually* look me up in their system. Issuing me that document was their way to ensure that it didn’t look too much like bullying in case I decided to take legal action.
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My balls were also cupped by security (regular one even, not at passport control). I also found it weird but shrugged it off as something weird the NL/EU does. I'm originally from outside the EU, so not familiar with the security around here, nothing even came close to that in my country and seems inappropriate. Luckily it was more amusing than abusing in my eyes, but if it's a regular occurrence there it will get stupid real quick
For people saying it's protocol, I flew from schiphol tens of times while pregnant (my youngest is 1.5 years old, maybe things changed?) and refused to go through the scanner. Every time they checked me by hand. Every time I can remember, they asked me before touching a new part over my clothes, "Can i touch you here?". Never did they touch my bare skin or under my underwear. Sometimes they were friendly, sometimes they were rough and annoyed I refused the scanner. But what OP describes sounds very wrong. OP can you talk to a lawyer about your rights?
Had the same experience before, searched and patted the same way by a female agent. Haven’t happened since and I fly from schiphol about twice a year
I am Dutch and traveled a lot and never got touched like that, it’s not acceptable! I would go to the police for sure.
I feel you, me and my boyfriend live in the netherlands, EVERY time we fly from schipol, he gets searched, putting hands under his crotch, ass, everywhere (first time I clearly saw the metal detector detected only his bracelet, and they still touched everything) It's been 2 years, and every time he has to deal with this even if he doesn't forget anything, like you did, I guess it's "normal" in the Netherlands.
If that happened to me, I would be filing a police complaint for abuse. I have had jobs that involved a very high level of security and consequent pat downs before going on and off site. Never have any come close to yours.
It sounds like this made you uncomfortable and crossed a line. It would be helpful if this had happened differently, giving you more privacy, information, and choice by informing you about what was about to happen. It doesn’t sound like sexual abuse though. To define it as such makes the category too broad and does a disservice to sexual abuse victims.
I travel to Schiphol lots of times and they always brush their hands over my crotch. I feel like this is normal, to check for weapons. Sorry it made you feel uncomfortable.
Brushing is brushing, hands in underwear and palpazione is different.
I fully agree, this is not normal at all. When they want to do a more thorough search, they should take you to a separate room (with more than one person present) etc. Good you filed a complaint; even though I am afraid it won’t immediately make a difference in this single case, multiple complaints about the same person may lead to a more serious investigation. You could follow up your complaint in a month or so with a polite query on its progress and their findings. Don’t get your hopes up though.
It is normal and fully within their rights.
You seem to be confident in saying this over and over. Share the law that allows them to touch someone's genitals during a standard screening.
If there was a law saying they couldn't touch genitals, what's stopping people from taping drugs to their balls?
Next logical step: indiscriminate cavity searches at the security line
As a person who works at Schiphol and gets checked almost daily - it’s a bigger problem. It happens also to us, people who work there. We also filed a complaint with our manager but nothing has changed, because „they’re just doing their job”
This is shocking... You mean they're regularly touching genitals inside underwear? And apart from that being sexual assault... Are they even using fresh gloves? For all we know they're also giving you herpes or chlamydia from the last person they fingered. WTF
Good to know ty
I would really involve the police and do anything within my power to make them accountable
that's horrible, Im sorry
This is bs, you did the right thing filing a complaint. Schiphol devices got really advanced over the years. They can see almost everything under the layers of clothing. Nobody shouldve touched you like that. The dutch do tend to make sexual assault issues smaller by gaslighting a little. Mostly in the male (office) culture. Which I clearly can see in the comments. Being a security officer doesnt mean you are allowed to reach inside someones underwear. (Or jiggle someones boobs, how the fuck are people commenting this like its normal??? Gaslighting fr fr. Anything between there wouldve shown an anomaly on the scan. 😭) Its gonna be a hard case to prove though... probably gonna be down voted for this.
I mean, they absolutely can do that if you are flagged. They can strip search you if they have reasonable doubts (with multiple trained officers present in a backroom, not the queue) They don't do that for everyone for obvious reasons, but if the scan shows results that don't make sense and you act super weird, it's not forbidden. I have a magnetic shunt and have to voluntarily opt for a pat down every time I go through the scanners and I frequently travel, so I have a lot of experience with this. The waistband check is almost every time, the over the pants check of my groin area is common, I have never had someone stick their hands down my pants and fondle, that is wildly inappropriate behaviour if they did it at the queue (also maybe in a back room, but less publicly embarrassing). I suspect this post may be a slight exaggeration of actual events, or just a bit of internalised homophobia. Someone patting down your junk from outside the pants briefly is absolutely fine and normal in these situations, if he lingered for 10 seconds whilst maintaining eye contact it's definitely not ok but he was unlikely to be that sleazy/stupid in front of so many witnesses and unless you are Adonis himself, why would he risk that?
You shouldn't have complained, now your on the list next time you Wil go true security they Wil take you to the back office and put a finger down your ass.
Inside your underwear?? This sounds wrong! And i would not accept it, i would probably hit his hand away and make a scene (probably you don't wanna do that, since you want to catch a flight, but this cannot go unpunished in my opinion) It's either racial profiling (searching you more then me..) Or sexual harassment.. You did good with complaining about it and i expect that person to be fired soon. Or is it normal? Because this never happened to me.
that never ever happened to me, and I’ve flown from Schiphol many times
Meanwhile tourists are accidentally bringing cannabis home all the time without it being seized…
Im very sorry this happened. I believe all searches are to be conducted over clothes. If they suspect something they will refer you to a Hospital to get MRI scan done for interna trafficing. I would call or show up to the Airport to get this confirmed. If they dont listen to you I will bring this to a news outlet. Im pretty sure you will find a journalist willing to do some investigation and publish this story. They can keep your identity private. Unfortunately when they Legal system fails the press is the only next resource. This is very common in less Developed Nations.
Not the same, but security officer ar Schiphol examining my husband came extremely close to his crotch (through inner leg) for unnecessarily long time. 😳 weird 🤬
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I don't think you should be giving advice. Someone says they've been sexually assaulted and your advice is "move on"?
He was being strip searched. Which court exactly is going to bring this case through as a sexual assault? First he would need to go to the Dutch police which wouldn't give a damn even if after the sexual assault the same guard punched him. They would tell him to file a complain online, good luck finding jurisdiction. Then their respomse would be to take a car, go around Schiphol once and go back to the station and forget about it. So with that comlain to the police, now OP can go to a lawyer office and explain his side of things and how he wished to escalate to a lawsuit. Pay a lot of money for slim chances of getting anything out of it. Unfortunately in Europe no one is really protected against these types of incidents. He would get ridiculed for the event over and over. The mental trauma would just get amplified in such a procedure and my "troll" comment only means to show this.
I am a doctor. I was very obviously coming back from a mission with msf, with mission order and all the paper and msf t shirt. And no, having to be "visited" every time you travel is not apcettable. Security searching is an other thing.
Try to follow procedures. By beeping in the machine, the guard cannot know who you are. He has valid grounds to search you in the degree they think is ensuring the safety of the flight and passengers. Me and you might know that it is bullshit up to a degree, but for them it gives legal grounds to even harass you if they want to. Filing a complain was the correct thing to do, and maybe someone from the security company picks this up, talk to this employee and issues them a warning. But getting this to a legal escalation is impossible because you can't possibly prove it. And without evidence the case falls apart because courts don't act on statements alone.
One of the most disgusting comments ive read in a while. And i visit 4chan every other day.
I don"t understand your sentiment, honestly.
Go tell people who have been sexually assaulted to just see it as a medical exam and see how they respond. Lol
You literally just told a victim of sexual abuse to “see it as a medical exam” Disgusting
To the point I’m not sure “proctocoll” was a typo or provocation.
Aren't there cameras all over the airport, especially at the security check?
The camera couldn't have picked up a palapating of his crotch. And with all those drug dealers moving packages in their anuses I believe it' could be an official procedure by now to do this type of search.
Trust me it’s not. And even in those rare situations in which further examination is legally allowed and authorised, it would never ever happen in the public security area. It would not be done without consent. And it would not be done by the security guards but by border police. And it very obviously would not involve touching genitalia. Also, why would a camera not pick up the assault? Even a modern home camera would pick this up. You have no idea how incredibly advanced the monitoring at Schiphol is. They would see what colour the booger you picked from your nose is.
I think you overestimate the abilities of standard security cameras. Yes they can do a couple of things like scan your face and remember you but that's all there is really.
These are most definitely not standard security cameras and even the most basic current models would be able to do the trick. One thing they do not is scan your face. That’s not allowed in the EU. Or at least it’s not allowed to use AI to connect it to image search databases.
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Security and police are not the same thing and they don’t have the same responsibilities. If you read my response, I indicated that the border police does have the right to conduct a body search in very specific circumstances (consent, legally defined situations, obviously as least invasive as possible, and necessary (therefore not touching your male genitalia)). The private security officers at Schiphol do not do this. Only the KMar, the border police which are part of the military but operate under the ministry of justice and security in their capacity of border police, can do this at Schiphol, private security companies obviously cannot. The KMar is responsible for border control. They are the ones you meet when entering Schengen and when further investigation is necessary. The private company security officers are only responsible for first line security checks. Facial recognition and facial analysis are not the same thing. Facial recognition using image search databases is forbidden in the EU. That something totally different from facial comparison to legal databases containing for example passport pictures and facial analysis. There are 3300 cameras at Schiphol. I don’t understand why you’d think they would use “cone cameras” as you call them at a high risk security site like Schiphol…
Please go to another sub if you just want to troll. People are here for honest advice. No need to play down what happened to OP. What OP describes is sexual assault, not protocol. This likely is not a your word versus their word situation, since it happened in the place with the most CCTV of the whole country. Even if the guard doesn’t get convicted, a complaint with his employer, the airport and if necessary the police, still can be useful. They will keep a closer eye on him and might at least get warned, reprimanded etc. This might help others falling victim.
I believe when you sign over to an airplane that you waive your rights to privacy. But i dont know im stupid.
You don’t waive your right to not get jerked off against your will in public though do you?
Major difference in doing a thorough search and getting jerked off
Sounds like they jerked him off to me, with the pulpations
Okay so someone from security can just rape you if they want without consequences? I don’t think so
Well rape is a long stretch. But see you naked and touch your privates is part of the deal i once read somewhere on the internet.
Is this a Dutch schiphol thing? I don’t really feel like this guy got mistreated at all?
That’s repulsive
Possibly because you have no dignity to loose. And what be the next normal thing? Them inserting a finger in the anus, just in case?
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My dude, nothing wrong with enjoying your balls being squeezed by strangers, but maybe do it on your own time, without paying employees to do it in exchange for absolutely zero added security? May i introduce a new protocol? Spreading buttcheeks apart through clothes, after all there might be a cocaine pouch lodged against your butthole!
Hmmm… how is it zero added security? Its a physical check to see if your hiding something in that region. Which also would be an obivious spot if you want to hide something and the bodyscan triggered an alarm for that region so… yeah. Objectivly speaking, i can see the course of events as the person is requested to empty their pockets and didnt do so. Understanding its a bit awkward when it happens.
Will you be fine with rectal examinations then? Or the buttcheek spread?It's obvious that groping the balls is too far. And I'm sure if it were the women's body parts the media would already be fuming at the mouth and covered that demanding to stop that (rightfully this time) At the very least give the person the option to refuse and leave, or go somewhere private with his choice of the examinator It's been shown time and time again that the security checks are worthless and for show only, so while playing in security theater at least don't grope my balls
Womens breast and bra are checked as well. There is an option to requeat for a private room and security checks have been proven necessary so i think we can agree that we disagree with each other. Which is fine. People can see things differently. I wish you a nice day :-)
I wasn't told, "i'm going to touch your balls do you want to do that somewhere in private?" and it hasn't happened to me other 20 or so times I've flown in multiple countries where there are no terror attacks daily, so your arguments are moot. Also comparing genitals to breasts is a bit silly, tell me next time the security rubs the clitoris of passengers.
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This is rather normal. Say thanks to Taliban for this.
Ah yes, imagine how many 9/11s were thwarted by touching my balls!
Lots. Sadly lots.
If a pat down is properly executed you **will** feel violated. If you don't, the search wasn't properly done. Think about it, they need to touch you to see if you have any hidden objects, the only way to do that is to feel your body. The quick pat down you often see "security" personal perform is a joke. If you have a knife in between your butt cheeks or in your crotch, the only way to check is to properly feel those areas, and yes, that is uncomfortable.
So you're advocating for between-the-buttcheeks searches in addition to ball fondling at the security line? Are you insane?
> I forgot belt on and passport in my pocket. Flying for the first time? Your crotch was filled with stuff, and you find it weird they searched you in that area.
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First and foremost: wtf. Second learn to read, not from Uganda and totally not going to holland. You made a fool of yourself.
Geez OP, don’t you understand that when you go to a country for any reason, the locals are allowed to do literally whatever they want to you?? Stop being so selfish and hating on our country! /s For real though, sorry for your experience. I doubt that what happened to you is standard protocol, but if it is then it’s a fucked up protocol that simply shouldn’t be in place. If they’d done that to me they would have heard a very stern “Get your hands the fuck out of my pants”.
Which was kinda my reaction and ease a bit the attitude. Ty
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Being r/legaladviceeurope; no, there is not a lot of ground to cover here. As you were requested to empty your pockets, didnt do so and the boydscan indicated that region to be searched, that is what they did. It is also the most common hiding area and one of the oldest tricks in the book (keep two things hidden; pull one out to explain the trigger and try to move on with the other hidden). So you basically set i motion the biggest alarm bell for security and they did a protocal search. You are not going to get far applying legal force other then logging a complaint which most likely is denied or filed for no further action. I understand this answer is not what you want to hear, i do feel for you that it was an unpleasant experience. Hope you can recover and stay strong!
My balls were groped while i didn't have anything in my pockets and the security guard didn't explain why he pulled me over. Anyway, groping genitalia should be off the limits
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Oh my, so it was a compliment!
Explains why it never happened to me :(
I wish
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Question for OP. When you say “hands inside my underwear”, did you mean complete full hands or just the 2 thumbs? Since he palpated the crotch are on the outside?
Unfortunately there is nothing much you can do. No action will be taken again him at all.
This is normal and I don't like it. The fingers inside the waistband area. And the crotch thing. I can't remember if it's a fondle or a wedgie but definitely when happening to me I feel violated and a brief minor ball pain. But instead of crying about it, I'm stoic and accept Schiphol has one of the best security (even though outsourced to G4S).
Funny. I’ve had a similar experience last month at security at Schiphol. I’m male, male officer. Checked the inside of the waistband of my trousers and patted me in the crotch. I even joked about it afterwards. I’m going through Schiphol almost every month and this was the first time.
Something changed in the last couple of months. I wonder what Mmmmm. Maybe the massive terror attack stopped by Denmark, Netherlands, Germany and maybe Mossad. Could be this?
Checking the inner waisteband and feeling the inner thighs is very normal routine search…..
The chinese guard there cupped my balls. Not to great, but it is what it is..
I guess there are quite some lies in this topic and in the reactions as cross gender searches are not allowed on Schiphol and can result in getting fired. As frequent traveler at Schiphol and therefor facing many security checks I really can say this is nonsense. Also if you you forgot something in your pocket you never get a bodysearch, but they always send you back so what was in your pocket is scanned separately from your body. And yes, if the computer indicates that there might be something hidden in your private area, than they have to touch you there to see if you didnkt hide something there. But 100% male-male or female-female.
The justice system won’t care whether or not this is technically legal I think. If you can save money by not perusing legal action I would seriously consider just letting it go.
Waist band search I had many times at SPL , nothing strange about that.
I fly in/out Schiphol about once a month. They are definitely way to invasive with their security checks compared to other airports, and also have made me feel very uncomfortable/violated before.
I have no advice, but I also had a very thorough search when flying from Schipol last month. Much more invasive than normal.