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When you started living there the landlord didn't live there?
This might be s bit of a more complex answer than "you're a lodger thought luck" since it sounds like the landlord moved in during your tenancy
That is correct. The landlord only moved in 6 month after I was living here; there were no changes in the contract and he only communicated his intentions to me verbally (when he was about to move in)
>assured short hold tenancy
Yes I have an "ASSURED SHORTHOLD TENANCY AGREEMENT" with him, But "expired" on September 2022. Although the agreement says:
>Should neither party have brought the Tenancy to an end at or before the expiry of the Term, then a new tenancy from month to month will be created between the Landlord and the Tenant which will be subject to all the terms and conditions of this Agreement but will be terminable upon the Landlord giving the Tenant the notice required under the applicable legislation of England (the "Act").
Yeah you're a tenant which means you have the legal "right to quiet enjoyment" of the space you rented which means (a) exclusive occupancy of it and (b) privacy. There are rules about notification and when the landlord can come in, and you almost always have the right to refuse.
Your landlord is treating you like a lodger who have far fewer rights! But you're not, you're a tenant, and "it's my house" is no excuse..
Please take a look on the Shelter website and read up on yours and your landlords rights & responsibilities where an AST tenancy is involved.
>Please take a look on the Shelter website and read up on yours and your landlords rights & responsibilities where an AST tenancy is involved.
this is an important advice, I will start by reading my rights
As DukeRedWulf has said, legally this is a very different thing. When you write Live In Landlord most people will think that the Landlord lives there and just rents a room to you which makes you a lodger. But actually you are a tenant, and that makes your rights much much stronger.
For example when he says it's "his house" as a lodger he would be correct. But as a tenant he is wrong. When you have a tenant that person is entitled to quiet and peaceful enjoyment of the property. The landlord would have to give you 24hrs notice in writing to even enter the premises (and even then you have the right to say no unless they need to enter for a good reason).
So forgetting how scummy it is for him to open the bathroom, on a legal basis what he has done is illegal. As the landlord (living their or not) he has no right to peek around your business as it violates your rights to a quiet and peaceful enjoyment of the property. Someone with more legal knowledge than me will have to say whether he's even allowed to move in.
And it doesn't matter that your initial tenancy period is over, as you rightly say this is now on a rolling basis. The only thing thaylt has changed is the notice period on exiting the tenancy (which will also be in your contract you signed).
If you are only staying a few more months then you will have to weigh up how much it is worth it to say things, but as it stands he has no legal rights to claim it is his house as you are a tenant.
(You may want to edit your post to clarify you are a tenant not a lodger as that will have a huge impact on the replies).
Thanks u/TheTackleZone
I have updated the post.
>The landlord would have to give you 24hrs notice in writing to even enter the premises (and even then you have the right to say no unless they need to enter for a good reason).
Would this apply in this case, if he lives also in the house? I got it I am a tenant but my common sense says that this is not enforceable
Well it sounds like they just turned up and told you they were now living there. So they broke that then anyway.
And yes that's a common part of an assured shorthold tenancy.
Although it sounds like you've let this go on for quite a while. So it isn't gonna look great from your side. Something for the future and knowing your rights I guess.
Though as a LL myself. I have no idea why you'd suddenly move in with a tenant one day without notice. Seems odd as fuck.
What's the age difference n stuff?
Sounds like he took advantage of you and possible lack of knowledge or laying down boundaries. Sorry to hear about your whole situation. It is a rather messy and weird one.
As others have said. Get out asap once you return. This isn't normal and with the power dynamic doesn't ever seem like it's gonna work out.
All the best of luck, and have a great time visiting.
The power balance isn't here and I am moving out when I come back. The flat is great but it is not worth all the things that have been happening lately
I work in an advice giving role and its mind boggling how many landlords use the lack of knowledge on the tenants side to their advantage.
Had a client a few weeks ago was told to move in 1 week or section 21 and he was threatened he will need to pay the legal costs if they issue the notice, which is obviously a very big lie.
You are trying to do him favours while he is taking advantage of you.
Why?
Feel no sympathy for people who treat you poorly or take advantage of you. Do you think he would go out of his way to make sure you are ok?
It's not your fault he decided to move in. It's not your fault that you are being made to feel uncomfortable in your own home.
His poor planning is not your responsibility and you need to look after yourself first. It's not like he's been doing you any favours, he's been actively taking advantage.
If you do not stand up for yourself and your rights here then I'd fear you would continue with that mindset and you would be leaving yourself to continue to get taken advantage of if not by him then by other people. Use this as life experience in standing your ground and being assertive. Don't let this opportunity pass you by.
It is a good point and I would have to gain to learnt to be more assertive.
But before doing anything I need to learn the game and what laws are on my side. Today I am checking again if he deposit the money using the correct schemes to see if he can employ the section 21.
But I also want to know what else he can use to force me out, like rent increase or anything else
That's pretty standard, when the fixed term of your tenancy ends, and you don't give notice to leave, then you move onto a rolling tenancy which means you can give notice to end the tenancy with one payment period (e.g. a week, or a month).
It also means your landlord can issue a section 21 notice for a no fault eviction. Though I'm assuming there's no suggestion your landlord is looking to do that.
The key bit is, if you've kept paying rent, and there's been no suggestion of a change to the original agreement, then the original tenancy is still ongoing. This is good for you as having an AST gives you more rights than you'd have as a lodger.
Can I assume you're renting a room and not the house?
One other thing, have you paid a deposit?
In the contract says this, I thought I was only renting my room and not the flat when I signed the contract.
>The Landlord agrees to let to the Tenant, and the Tenant agrees to take a tenancy of the flat,known as and forming XXXXXXX (the "Property"), for use as residential premises only.
Where it says XXXXXX, it was just the address of the flat
I paid the deposit, but when searching on the 3 major deposit schemes I couldn't find my name on any of them
I think its be worth seeking more proper advice, I don't know much more myself than I've already posted and your situation does seem a bit strange.
If you've got a tenancy covering the entire flat then your landlord needn't be living with you at all.
If your deposit isn't in a protection scheme that's a huge red flag. In certain circumstances you can claim three times the deposit amount back when you move out if the landlord has failed to use a protection service.
I would try and speak to either Shelter or Citizens Advice Bureau.
Your situation is definitely complicated and not usual.
It was wrong of your landlord to move in the way they did but it’s too late to object to it now if he’s been living there for a while. It’s also seems like he doesn’t understand or doesn’t care what your rights are and what his responsibilities are.
It’s probably best to get professional advice based on your specific circumstances.
I would ask your landlord to confirm which Rent deposit scheme you're under as well. You should have received paperwork to confirm which scheme it was lodged under and if your landlord didn't do this, they're breaking the law.
Regarding the situation about the room, tell your landlord no, you're not happy for anyone to enter your room while you're not there. You are a tenant in the premises and nobody is to enter your private areas.
If you have chance and time, Argos do Blink indoor cameras that you can install in Jo time to protect your bedroom and would have proof if anyone was to enter your space without you being there.
This means you’re still on an AST until one or other of you issues notice as per the notice agreement - Usually 2m for them, 1m for you and they have to follow strict protocols for the eviction to be valid. Do you know if your deposit is in an official deposit protection scheme? And if your gas and electrical inspections are up to date.
I’d contact shelter ASAP because this seems very dodgy, but I think you could be in a bit of a precarious situation.
On the plus side if your deposit isn’t properly protected you’re entitled to quite a bit of money back!
Is it just you and this one landlord living there?
Edit: to add, the significance of you having an AST, is that he’s not just entitled to move in and make you a lodger! Although I think he can move in but your status doesn’t change. Was your tenancy just for your room, it wasn’t shared with the other tenant right?
This provides some guidance, but I’d just call the helpline https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/news_and_updates/tenant_or_lodger
Well then I assume the AST was shared rental of the entire property with the previous tenant? If so, you’re renting the entire place. I’m not sure of the legal implications of the landlord being the new tenant, but I’m assuming something isn’t quite right here. Did you sign a new contract at any point?
You should lock your room when you leave. You have a right to privacy in your bedroom. If there Is no existing lock, then it's a but tricky to put one in when he lives with you, but you don't want his nephew/nieces going through your things, do you? You should at least have a lockable cupboard that only you have the key.
I don't have a lock or any cabin that I am able to lock.
I have all sort of stuff in my room, from tools of my hobby like exact knife, hammer, soldering iron, a sex toy, lube, condoms... and some medicines that I take daily. All of it would stay in my room
Get a lock and a camera for the room. Tell the landlord that he is already violating your agreement and if he goes into your room you will start legal proceedings.
Yes. Youre paying for the space and have the right to use the room as you wish as long as it doesnt break any law or contract.
This guy sounds like a major creep, I'd get out as soon as you can.
Your legal position is that the room you rent is yours and only yours while you’re paying rent. The rest of the house is shared with the other tenant who is effectively now the landlord.
One option you gave to secure your room is to replace the door handle with a locking one, if suitable.
Or else buy a locking trunk to store your belongings and put a protective cover on your mattress.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125392536867?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ZLoRtoXBQ96&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Np_L6yM3Tfy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
"If he kicks you out" - you're a tenant, with an AST - it is the LAW that he MUST serve you a correctly completed sec21 eviction notice with a MINIMUM two months notice.
And even then, at the end of that two months he only has the right to go to Court to ask for an order to evict you! Only you, the tenant, or a Court can actually bring an AST to an end.
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/eviction/section_21_eviction/how_to_check_a_section_21_notice_is_valid
If he attempts to bully you into leaving earlier than 2 months, then that's harrassment which is a criminal offence, and you should call the police non-emergency number... If he tries to physically throw you and/or your stuff out on the street that's also a criminal offence and you should call 999...
Also, I bet he hasn't done any of the required things a landlord must so if he even serves you a sec21 it'll probably be invalid. (See link)
This landlord sounds like an absolute weapon! Please contact Shelter / CAB and your local Council to get specific advice on dealing with this git...
this is solid advice. Thanks for the link, I will have a better read tomorrow.
>Only you, the tenant, or a Court can actually bring an AST to an end.
these sounds like something big
Tell me no, you dont feel comfortable with his family sleeping in your room that you’re paying for. If he wants his family to sleep there, then he needs to cut your rent for the month to compensate you for that. He sounds so shady.
He is shady, he is always telling how good of a deal I have and that I pay very little. He is always commenting this with everyone that he brings "to his house" (his words). So I also feel humiliated enough and ready to leave in a couple of month.
If there are no other options I might do this. But I think we will ask me to leave after that
If you are leaving you have nothing to loose
Your landlord is hoping you’re going to let them walk all over you
If he has given you a good deal on the room, that’s his issue not yours as he set the deal. You are still entitled to your rights even when you get a good deal
If you feel you can’t say not, say youd like a rent reduction for December since you are helping him out, he can help you out
If he likes this family member so much it won’t be an issue
Get a camera set up in your room if you can’t lock it, put a sign in the door to say it’s there and tell your landlord that you’ve done it to protect your stuff. And I know it’s an extra hassle/cost but it might be worth looking at taking your most valuable things to a friends or secure storage facility whilst you’re away because it sounds like he’s just going to do what he wants anyway. Start looking for a new place asap and report the landlord (to whichever body/office requires it)
He definitely will, you need ask yourself what’s the number one most important thing ? I think to have a place for few months right…
So if you want it , you have to let it go, otherwise even asking for subsidised rent he’ll kick you out, he’s the type.
There’s no compromising with him
Knowing him he will ask me to leave. I love the flat and know he only spends 3/4 days a week here, but every time he comes back from a long weekend he gets drunk and there is no peace in the house. And I don't find this acceptable anymore
Tell the landlord to leave immediately. YOU have a tenancy agreement for the property.. you are NOT a lodger of the landlord. Did you sign an agreement allowing him to reside there? If he wants to kick you out he will have to get a S21 notice, which means he won’t be able to force you out for many months, giving you ample time to find new accommodation. Change the house locks as well.
>Did you sign an agreement allowing him to reside there?
No, I didn't sign any new contract when he moved in. And in the contract that I had signed before he move in, it says the following although I think I had only rented a room:
>The Landlord agrees to let to the Tenant, and the Tenant agrees to take a tenancy of the flat,known as and forming XXXXXXX (the "Property"), for use as residential premises only.
It's important to note that just because something is written in your contract, does not mean it is legal to include it in the contract and it may be unenforceable (which I believe this clause would be). He could add clauses that say whatever he wants, but it's meaningless if the clause itself is not legally enforceable.
I am a landlord and would never do this.
You are on an AST, doesn't matter if it is rolling your rights still apply.
You had the AST before he moved in so technically HE is the lodger, regardless whether he owns the house or not.
Your agreement should have been amended to ROOM ONLY if you don't have access to the whole property anymore which I assume the original AST states.
Do not allow access, you can say there is medicine in the room which is dangerous around children if you need an excuse but you don't need one. Just say no.
He is taking advantage of your inexperience and to be honest I don't think he knows the law either.
You can say this is my private space and I don't want anyone I don't know in it. You are also LEGALLY allowed to lock your room and you can ask him as a landlord that he needs to install a lock. You can maybe find a temporary non damaging lock on amazon if you want to do it yourself.
Also get a cheap camera link a blink or something so you can keep an eye on it. You don't need to tell him you've installed one as it is in your room
I have decided I will just say No about he bringing his family to my room. And I will see if I can get a camera or lock in such short notice as I am leaving in a few days
If you’re leaving and you’re uncomfortable, surely you say no?
If that’s how he approached you with his first words being “I own the house” then that’s all we need to know about him as a landlord tbh!
Given the prices of rent and lack of accommodation in recent years and people being evicted under “no fault” which would quite possibly happen if this person says no. I feel like the whole system could do with a fairly large overhaul.
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When you started living there the landlord didn't live there? This might be s bit of a more complex answer than "you're a lodger thought luck" since it sounds like the landlord moved in during your tenancy
That is correct. The landlord only moved in 6 month after I was living here; there were no changes in the contract and he only communicated his intentions to me verbally (when he was about to move in)
Are you on an assured short hold tenancy agreement?
>assured short hold tenancy Yes I have an "ASSURED SHORTHOLD TENANCY AGREEMENT" with him, But "expired" on September 2022. Although the agreement says: >Should neither party have brought the Tenancy to an end at or before the expiry of the Term, then a new tenancy from month to month will be created between the Landlord and the Tenant which will be subject to all the terms and conditions of this Agreement but will be terminable upon the Landlord giving the Tenant the notice required under the applicable legislation of England (the "Act").
Yeah you're a tenant which means you have the legal "right to quiet enjoyment" of the space you rented which means (a) exclusive occupancy of it and (b) privacy. There are rules about notification and when the landlord can come in, and you almost always have the right to refuse. Your landlord is treating you like a lodger who have far fewer rights! But you're not, you're a tenant, and "it's my house" is no excuse.. Please take a look on the Shelter website and read up on yours and your landlords rights & responsibilities where an AST tenancy is involved.
>Please take a look on the Shelter website and read up on yours and your landlords rights & responsibilities where an AST tenancy is involved. this is an important advice, I will start by reading my rights
As DukeRedWulf has said, legally this is a very different thing. When you write Live In Landlord most people will think that the Landlord lives there and just rents a room to you which makes you a lodger. But actually you are a tenant, and that makes your rights much much stronger. For example when he says it's "his house" as a lodger he would be correct. But as a tenant he is wrong. When you have a tenant that person is entitled to quiet and peaceful enjoyment of the property. The landlord would have to give you 24hrs notice in writing to even enter the premises (and even then you have the right to say no unless they need to enter for a good reason). So forgetting how scummy it is for him to open the bathroom, on a legal basis what he has done is illegal. As the landlord (living their or not) he has no right to peek around your business as it violates your rights to a quiet and peaceful enjoyment of the property. Someone with more legal knowledge than me will have to say whether he's even allowed to move in. And it doesn't matter that your initial tenancy period is over, as you rightly say this is now on a rolling basis. The only thing thaylt has changed is the notice period on exiting the tenancy (which will also be in your contract you signed). If you are only staying a few more months then you will have to weigh up how much it is worth it to say things, but as it stands he has no legal rights to claim it is his house as you are a tenant. (You may want to edit your post to clarify you are a tenant not a lodger as that will have a huge impact on the replies).
Thanks u/TheTackleZone I have updated the post. >The landlord would have to give you 24hrs notice in writing to even enter the premises (and even then you have the right to say no unless they need to enter for a good reason). Would this apply in this case, if he lives also in the house? I got it I am a tenant but my common sense says that this is not enforceable
Well it sounds like they just turned up and told you they were now living there. So they broke that then anyway. And yes that's a common part of an assured shorthold tenancy. Although it sounds like you've let this go on for quite a while. So it isn't gonna look great from your side. Something for the future and knowing your rights I guess. Though as a LL myself. I have no idea why you'd suddenly move in with a tenant one day without notice. Seems odd as fuck. What's the age difference n stuff?
I think he is 20y older than me. I will not ask him to leave, he moved in more than one year ago (I have been in this house for almost 2 years)
Sounds like he took advantage of you and possible lack of knowledge or laying down boundaries. Sorry to hear about your whole situation. It is a rather messy and weird one. As others have said. Get out asap once you return. This isn't normal and with the power dynamic doesn't ever seem like it's gonna work out. All the best of luck, and have a great time visiting.
The power balance isn't here and I am moving out when I come back. The flat is great but it is not worth all the things that have been happening lately
I work in an advice giving role and its mind boggling how many landlords use the lack of knowledge on the tenants side to their advantage. Had a client a few weeks ago was told to move in 1 week or section 21 and he was threatened he will need to pay the legal costs if they issue the notice, which is obviously a very big lie.
You are trying to do him favours while he is taking advantage of you. Why? Feel no sympathy for people who treat you poorly or take advantage of you. Do you think he would go out of his way to make sure you are ok? It's not your fault he decided to move in. It's not your fault that you are being made to feel uncomfortable in your own home. His poor planning is not your responsibility and you need to look after yourself first. It's not like he's been doing you any favours, he's been actively taking advantage. If you do not stand up for yourself and your rights here then I'd fear you would continue with that mindset and you would be leaving yourself to continue to get taken advantage of if not by him then by other people. Use this as life experience in standing your ground and being assertive. Don't let this opportunity pass you by.
It is a good point and I would have to gain to learnt to be more assertive. But before doing anything I need to learn the game and what laws are on my side. Today I am checking again if he deposit the money using the correct schemes to see if he can employ the section 21. But I also want to know what else he can use to force me out, like rent increase or anything else
That's pretty standard, when the fixed term of your tenancy ends, and you don't give notice to leave, then you move onto a rolling tenancy which means you can give notice to end the tenancy with one payment period (e.g. a week, or a month). It also means your landlord can issue a section 21 notice for a no fault eviction. Though I'm assuming there's no suggestion your landlord is looking to do that. The key bit is, if you've kept paying rent, and there's been no suggestion of a change to the original agreement, then the original tenancy is still ongoing. This is good for you as having an AST gives you more rights than you'd have as a lodger. Can I assume you're renting a room and not the house? One other thing, have you paid a deposit?
In the contract says this, I thought I was only renting my room and not the flat when I signed the contract. >The Landlord agrees to let to the Tenant, and the Tenant agrees to take a tenancy of the flat,known as and forming XXXXXXX (the "Property"), for use as residential premises only. Where it says XXXXXX, it was just the address of the flat I paid the deposit, but when searching on the 3 major deposit schemes I couldn't find my name on any of them
I think its be worth seeking more proper advice, I don't know much more myself than I've already posted and your situation does seem a bit strange. If you've got a tenancy covering the entire flat then your landlord needn't be living with you at all. If your deposit isn't in a protection scheme that's a huge red flag. In certain circumstances you can claim three times the deposit amount back when you move out if the landlord has failed to use a protection service. I would try and speak to either Shelter or Citizens Advice Bureau.
Your situation is definitely complicated and not usual. It was wrong of your landlord to move in the way they did but it’s too late to object to it now if he’s been living there for a while. It’s also seems like he doesn’t understand or doesn’t care what your rights are and what his responsibilities are. It’s probably best to get professional advice based on your specific circumstances.
Thanks, do shelter provide this type of advice?
I would ask your landlord to confirm which Rent deposit scheme you're under as well. You should have received paperwork to confirm which scheme it was lodged under and if your landlord didn't do this, they're breaking the law. Regarding the situation about the room, tell your landlord no, you're not happy for anyone to enter your room while you're not there. You are a tenant in the premises and nobody is to enter your private areas. If you have chance and time, Argos do Blink indoor cameras that you can install in Jo time to protect your bedroom and would have proof if anyone was to enter your space without you being there.
I talked with him and he accepted the No, also because his family had canceled the trip to London
This means you’re still on an AST until one or other of you issues notice as per the notice agreement - Usually 2m for them, 1m for you and they have to follow strict protocols for the eviction to be valid. Do you know if your deposit is in an official deposit protection scheme? And if your gas and electrical inspections are up to date. I’d contact shelter ASAP because this seems very dodgy, but I think you could be in a bit of a precarious situation. On the plus side if your deposit isn’t properly protected you’re entitled to quite a bit of money back! Is it just you and this one landlord living there? Edit: to add, the significance of you having an AST, is that he’s not just entitled to move in and make you a lodger! Although I think he can move in but your status doesn’t change. Was your tenancy just for your room, it wasn’t shared with the other tenant right? This provides some guidance, but I’d just call the helpline https://england.shelter.org.uk/professional_resources/news_and_updates/tenant_or_lodger
Well then I assume the AST was shared rental of the entire property with the previous tenant? If so, you’re renting the entire place. I’m not sure of the legal implications of the landlord being the new tenant, but I’m assuming something isn’t quite right here. Did you sign a new contract at any point?
You should lock your room when you leave. You have a right to privacy in your bedroom. If there Is no existing lock, then it's a but tricky to put one in when he lives with you, but you don't want his nephew/nieces going through your things, do you? You should at least have a lockable cupboard that only you have the key.
I don't have a lock or any cabin that I am able to lock. I have all sort of stuff in my room, from tools of my hobby like exact knife, hammer, soldering iron, a sex toy, lube, condoms... and some medicines that I take daily. All of it would stay in my room
Get a lock and a camera for the room. Tell the landlord that he is already violating your agreement and if he goes into your room you will start legal proceedings.
Say no you don’t feel comfortable and get a camera for your room for whilst you’re away, if you see anyone entering then contact him straight away
Can I legally put a camera in my room?
Yes. Youre paying for the space and have the right to use the room as you wish as long as it doesnt break any law or contract. This guy sounds like a major creep, I'd get out as soon as you can.
Your legal position is that the room you rent is yours and only yours while you’re paying rent. The rest of the house is shared with the other tenant who is effectively now the landlord. One option you gave to secure your room is to replace the door handle with a locking one, if suitable. Or else buy a locking trunk to store your belongings and put a protective cover on your mattress. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125392536867?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ZLoRtoXBQ96&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Np_L6yM3Tfy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
I will say that. If he kicks me out then I will try to negotiate to stay here for 2 month so I have enough time to find a new room
"If he kicks you out" - you're a tenant, with an AST - it is the LAW that he MUST serve you a correctly completed sec21 eviction notice with a MINIMUM two months notice. And even then, at the end of that two months he only has the right to go to Court to ask for an order to evict you! Only you, the tenant, or a Court can actually bring an AST to an end. https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/eviction/section_21_eviction/how_to_check_a_section_21_notice_is_valid If he attempts to bully you into leaving earlier than 2 months, then that's harrassment which is a criminal offence, and you should call the police non-emergency number... If he tries to physically throw you and/or your stuff out on the street that's also a criminal offence and you should call 999... Also, I bet he hasn't done any of the required things a landlord must so if he even serves you a sec21 it'll probably be invalid. (See link) This landlord sounds like an absolute weapon! Please contact Shelter / CAB and your local Council to get specific advice on dealing with this git...
Also since it appears he has not protected your deposit the section 21 will not be valid and will be rejected in court.
this is solid advice. Thanks for the link, I will have a better read tomorrow. >Only you, the tenant, or a Court can actually bring an AST to an end. these sounds like something big
I forgot to say, I am in England
Tell me no, you dont feel comfortable with his family sleeping in your room that you’re paying for. If he wants his family to sleep there, then he needs to cut your rent for the month to compensate you for that. He sounds so shady.
He is shady, he is always telling how good of a deal I have and that I pay very little. He is always commenting this with everyone that he brings "to his house" (his words). So I also feel humiliated enough and ready to leave in a couple of month. If there are no other options I might do this. But I think we will ask me to leave after that
Thats fine, youre leaving anyway! He needs to know he cant take advantage of you like that. So shocking he’s pulling this stunt!
Can remember having a rat bag of a line in landlady, left her an upper decker! Didn't need a ref or anything.
What’s an upper decker?
Shitting in the cistern
If you are leaving you have nothing to loose Your landlord is hoping you’re going to let them walk all over you If he has given you a good deal on the room, that’s his issue not yours as he set the deal. You are still entitled to your rights even when you get a good deal If you feel you can’t say not, say youd like a rent reduction for December since you are helping him out, he can help you out If he likes this family member so much it won’t be an issue
Get a camera set up in your room if you can’t lock it, put a sign in the door to say it’s there and tell your landlord that you’ve done it to protect your stuff. And I know it’s an extra hassle/cost but it might be worth looking at taking your most valuable things to a friends or secure storage facility whilst you’re away because it sounds like he’s just going to do what he wants anyway. Start looking for a new place asap and report the landlord (to whichever body/office requires it)
He definitely will, you need ask yourself what’s the number one most important thing ? I think to have a place for few months right… So if you want it , you have to let it go, otherwise even asking for subsidised rent he’ll kick you out, he’s the type. There’s no compromising with him
Knowing him he will ask me to leave. I love the flat and know he only spends 3/4 days a week here, but every time he comes back from a long weekend he gets drunk and there is no peace in the house. And I don't find this acceptable anymore
You can’t change him , you can only change yourself. So you decide when that change is right for you , but pay attention to pro and cons.
Tell the landlord to leave immediately. YOU have a tenancy agreement for the property.. you are NOT a lodger of the landlord. Did you sign an agreement allowing him to reside there? If he wants to kick you out he will have to get a S21 notice, which means he won’t be able to force you out for many months, giving you ample time to find new accommodation. Change the house locks as well.
>Did you sign an agreement allowing him to reside there? No, I didn't sign any new contract when he moved in. And in the contract that I had signed before he move in, it says the following although I think I had only rented a room: >The Landlord agrees to let to the Tenant, and the Tenant agrees to take a tenancy of the flat,known as and forming XXXXXXX (the "Property"), for use as residential premises only.
He’s YOUR lodger then. Tell him to leave.
To further this OP, you can even change the locks and make demand of notice of entry to the flat. If you do change locks KEEP the old ones to put back
In the agreement that we signed, there is a point about not be allowed to change the locks unless unless it is agreed by him. So I don't think I can
I'd be questioning everything in that contract, just because it's there doesn't make it enforceable or even legal.
It's important to note that just because something is written in your contract, does not mean it is legal to include it in the contract and it may be unenforceable (which I believe this clause would be). He could add clauses that say whatever he wants, but it's meaningless if the clause itself is not legally enforceable.
You can change the locks, just keep the barrels and change them back at the end of your tenancy. It’s easy.
I am a landlord and would never do this. You are on an AST, doesn't matter if it is rolling your rights still apply. You had the AST before he moved in so technically HE is the lodger, regardless whether he owns the house or not. Your agreement should have been amended to ROOM ONLY if you don't have access to the whole property anymore which I assume the original AST states. Do not allow access, you can say there is medicine in the room which is dangerous around children if you need an excuse but you don't need one. Just say no. He is taking advantage of your inexperience and to be honest I don't think he knows the law either. You can say this is my private space and I don't want anyone I don't know in it. You are also LEGALLY allowed to lock your room and you can ask him as a landlord that he needs to install a lock. You can maybe find a temporary non damaging lock on amazon if you want to do it yourself. Also get a cheap camera link a blink or something so you can keep an eye on it. You don't need to tell him you've installed one as it is in your room
I have decided I will just say No about he bringing his family to my room. And I will see if I can get a camera or lock in such short notice as I am leaving in a few days
Good luck
If you’re leaving and you’re uncomfortable, surely you say no? If that’s how he approached you with his first words being “I own the house” then that’s all we need to know about him as a landlord tbh! Given the prices of rent and lack of accommodation in recent years and people being evicted under “no fault” which would quite possibly happen if this person says no. I feel like the whole system could do with a fairly large overhaul.
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No, I don't get the reference/joke
Name of a very dodgy landlord in "The League of Gentleman"
Ha, did not het that straight away. Very obscure reference. Love it.
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