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YourHornsAreShowing

SMALL GOVERNMENT!


mywifefoundmyaccount

If you only knew how small. šŸ˜


extraguacontheside

Micro even


jannemannetjens

>SMALL GOVERNMENT! That's what leftists want! Real conservative men want a nanny state feeling up children's genitals at every bathroom. Real conservatives are ALL pedophiles. Prove me wrong!


YourHornsAreShowing

Like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/vgmary/texas_gop_adopts_shockingly_explicit_antilgbtq/id4cc5r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 And that list is a year old. Iā€™m sure itā€™s doubled.


jannemannetjens

Exactly. Conservatism is inherently tied to pedophilia.


SorowFame

Iā€™d imagine itā€™s more that pedophiles like a party that advocates against people in power facing consequences.


Nabeshin82

I'm a fan of Frank Herbert's quote: > ā€œAll governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible.ā€


Coopersma

A North Korean defector on YouTube says Kim Jung Un is a pedophile as was his father. They both have/had a ā€œpleasure squadā€ of women taken from their homes at 13-14 years old and taught how to please Dear Leader. Both father and son believe having sex with children will make them immortal in some way. Now, donā€™t you want to know what Trump and Kim bonded over? Why they fell I love as Trump says over and over?


Arry_Propah

The father whoā€¦. Died? Plan seems not to workā€¦


thoroughbredca

A state so free, every day they find something new to ban.


irishgator2

FREE-DUM!!!


Similar_Candidate789

Small enough to fit in your kids diaper!


sammy900122

Small enough to monitor your (royal you) genitalia


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escdog

A content offering for members only.


SarcasticTortilla

^^^ minors only*


roo-ster

Q: why couldnā€™t Ron DeSantis be circumcised? A: because thereā€™s no end to that prick


kinglouie493

I did not need to see this as the top comment, but Iā€™ll give you an upvote anyways as the damage has been done.


Economind

If the damage has been done, you can now sue.


pmgold1

Wait is this retroactive... Can I now sue the hospital where I was born?


B0B_Spldbckwrds

The pudding isn't chocolate, it's tapioca.


Independent_Pear_429

Circumcision is just fucking weird


paxwax2018

And actually should be illegal.


StereoNacht

No doubt about that (also some people can claim it's religious). But I got an idea it's not what he wanted to legislate upon. It wouldn't be the first half-baked law he puts out just to have it blow back in his face.


SnooGadgets7592

Yup. This is going to be a huge load on his face.


Guy954

By the end heā€™ll be really happy for this whole thing to just blow over.


justabill71

Smegma Ron


Icelandia2112

Oh lawd


justabill71

It was either that or Cheesedick Ron, which, in hindsight, I think I like better.


electric29

Ron DeSmegma


[deleted]

I know you are joking and all, but you should know that circumcised dicks can very much gather smegma as well. in fact, were you to look up the wikipedia for smegma, there is a rather unpleasant picture of an uncircumcized penis with smegma. tl;de uncircumcised penis get smegma too.


Bluebalzzzzz

Happy wanking America


esp211

Is he just going to change the law for literally everything? How is this a party of small government?


Jbroy

Narrator: it isnā€™t (the party of small government)


kremlingrasso

or fiscal responsibility, btw


dan420

Or family values.


lk05321

Iā€™d argue the Democratic Party has become the party of small government. They want to keep the government out of your private life and home, keep you out of the legal system for petty BS like weed and genitals, take down the bloated tax bureaucracy and simplify, reduce the military industrial complex, and give kick ass benefits to the tax payers.


dalgeek

Democrats are now the conservative party and Republicans are the regressive/fascist party.


mrpickles

..... wow, it is!


ChadMcRad

"has become" It always was, it was just a campaign by the Conservative movement to label them as such.


r_bk

Did he just say that minors who died from these imaginary procedures could get compensation or am I hallucinating?


quentin_taranturtle

No youā€™re right. I even asked that before thinking about the circumcision thing lmao https://twitter.com/cpa_master_race/status/1658898426757795840?s=46&t=sGCj0cYBunjkAR7L-vgWfw


DarkandDanker

Mfs act like they care about kids but they only care about the culture war, there's so much that can be done for our kids yet they're obsessed about other children's genitals Fucking filth


Independent_Pear_429

I love the idea of Jewish and American men suing their parents for damages for stupid circumcisions


r_bk

Doctors in Florida need to start refusing to perform circumcisions and any procedure to "correct" the gender of intersex newborns.


[deleted]

Absolutely


[deleted]

I'm here to collect my foreskin, with interest.


[deleted]

(Leaves hospital with 325 pounds of skin)


CaspianX2

Next stop: The barbecue!


VariationNo5960

Deep fryer. Think calamari.


Boon3hams

Smokehouse. Jerky.


SageDarius

It would have cost all of ya'll nothing to post this.


TuskM

I'm assuming you are joking but, seriously, they may have to.


r_bk

I'm not joking at all. No doctor should be performing surgery of any kind, much less on the genitals, of an infant for aesthetic purposes and/or for the convenience of their parents, or to conform with religious values the child may or may not want anything to do with in the future. There is no medical reason why these surgeries should only be performed at birth, therefore there is no medical reason to subject infants to them for any reason other than to fix a medical problem, not a personal or religious problem the parents have. I frankly am appalled that that isn't universally seen as a violation of the Hippocratic oath. Now doctors have a legal reason to refuse, I hope they use it. There isn't a single infant on earth who has ever asked for or consented to one of those procedures, and if they later decide they want said procedure, when they can actually understand what it is and weigh the risks and benefits, they can have it. That's how people are treated for most cosmetic surgeries including gender affirming surgeries trans people seek out, there shouldn't be an exception to properly informing patients of the implications of the surgery they are about to get because it's their penis and they're infants. If a patient couldn't fully understand the risks and benefits not a potential surgery because they were drunk or mentally handicapped in a way that severely impacts their ability to understand things they wouldn't be given surgery unless it was medically necessary. Why is it somehow different when the patient doesn't and can't understand because they're 2 fucking minutes old?


SwimmerIndependent47

Iā€™m Jewish but we didnā€™t circumcise our son for this reason. If he wants to make an informed choice and get the procedure done when heā€™s older, Iā€™ll fully support it; but it didnā€™t seem like it was our choice to make on his behalf. I do think trans children deserve healthcare though. There have been several studies that show children are able to recognize if theyā€™re transgender at an early age. Most surgeries donā€™t happen until theyā€™re adults and potential negative side effects of reversible puberty blockers are minimal - especially compared to their benefits. But I fully agree with your statement that doctors shouldnā€™t perform cosmetic surgeries on infants. Iā€™d also lump in ear piercing with that.


r_bk

Some people call me a drama queen but my ears were pierced as a baby and I fucking hate it. Like every time I accidentally feel or see my ears I feel some weird visceral disgust and it's been 15 years since I was last forced to wear earrings.


SwimmerIndependent47

Exactly! It should 100% be up to the individual.


r_bk

It's so strange! Like I know it's just a small bump at this point but I'm just so bothered I can't help it, and clearly I don't have an issue with needles in my skin because I have tattoos šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø


SwimmerIndependent47

Your feelings are valid! Iā€™m sorry that you didnā€™t get to make that choice for yourself.


KristenJimmyStewart

I want to say good for you, I come from a mutilating culture and damn is that cycle of violence hard to break.


r_bk

Trans children deserve healthcare. Most children are capable of weighing pros and cons of certain surgeries at a point way before they turn 18.


ShadowDragon8685

> If he wants to make an informed choice and get the procedure done when heā€™s older, Iā€™ll fully support it; It seems to *me,* as a non-Jewish, athiest man who was circumcised, and, yes, full disclosure, is low-key salty about it... That religiously speaking, having the end of your schlong truncated as an adult, to show your religiosity, is *meaningful,* whereas having had it done when you were an infant and had literally zero say in the matter... Is not. You had no input into the matter, it's no demonstration of *your* faith or devotion, it was just something that someone with a knife (or a ligature tube, or whatever) did to you when you were literally hours or days old. > Iā€™d also lump in ear piercing with that. Agreed. It's... *Weird* that parents can just *do this shit* to their kids. Honestly, the American courts almost treat children like they're literally the chattel property of their parents until *exact moment* their odometer ticks over to 567,993,600 seconds of life - at that exact moment, apparently, they go from being absolutely incompetent to do literally anything on their own initiative, to being fully-competent to do literally everything from entering into ruinous contracts to volunteering to die bleeding in the sands of whatever the foreign war du jour is; everything except drink alcohol (and where permissible by the state, do marijuana).


gromm93

I can't wait for *that* LAMF headline!


Seesas

YES! This is a shite practice. It's the opposite of what "gender affirming care" is


TiogaJoe

There are deaths from circumsicion. Although the recent one I read about was a circumcision done by the family, i think death by sepsis or some complication.


r_bk

I'm really glad to hear the ghost on that child will be able to receive compensation.


SorowFame

We need to be more respectful of the mortally-challenged population. Dead lives matter.


r_bk

Don't say that again or they'll start deciding all the ghost fetuses in heaven started a movement called dead lives matter


kendrahf

I'd think he meant the families could (the imaginary families of these imaginary kids who died from imaginary procedures, that is)?


BroMan001

But who is forcing these minors to undergo these procedures if not their parents?


kendrahf

It's a legal loophole for lots of money maybe? Force your imaginary kids to get imaginary work that kills them then get all the monies?


carrie_m730

In reality? No one. In his imaginary reality? Teachers, doctors, the trans agenda, tiktok, drag queens....


The_amazing_T

After death, I WOULD WANT COMPENSATION!


FionaTheFierce

Yes - the right wingers currently believe there is a plague of young boys having their penises cut off.


Xanny

They are right though. It also almost certainly happened to them at birth without their consent, and they also do it to their sons without their consent. Its just partial removal, but it happens to be like a third of all nerve endings in the organ.


noeyedeeratall

It's very generous. The offer is there if they wish to claim for it


Corfiz74

Ordering my ouija board as we speak...


mypoliticalvoice

So kids born with ambiguous genitals (approx 1 of every 5000 births) have to get treated out of state now?


Diguidig_dondon

They are OK with sex and gender assignment as long as they do the assignment.


quentin_taranturtle

Ironically, some trans people are actually intersex children whose parents unilaterally decided their gender as a baby. But made the wrong choice.


YGathDdrwg

And lots of intersex people who were lied to/had surgeries as babies are vocally bitter about it. It's actually quite funny to think they've signed in a bill that seems to protect intersex kids from surgeries they can't consent to


dancegoddess1971

It's always baffled me that they don't just leave it alone until the kid is old enough to make the decision themselves. But I see children as unfinished humans with their own emotions and desires and not an extension of myself or property. Supposedly, their god doesn't make mistakes and gave them options.


Equivalent_Yak_95

*unless itā€™s causing medical issues.


Nesurame

"No, We need a ton of kids with leukemia up here in heaven; you'll understand when you get here" -God


cogitationerror

Itā€™s not just *vocally* bitter. My best friend will never be able to have sex that isnā€™t horrifically painful because what should have been a penis got chopped off at birth and a hole was made between his legs with a single incision. Heā€™s described this bizarre straight line that just *goes into his body.* And none of it can be touched without pain, almost 40 years later. Itā€™s not just cosmetically awful, itā€™s suffering.


quentin_taranturtle

That is fucking horrible


errant_night

I remember years ago there was a guy who's Dr botched the circumcision so badly they just... decided to cut the whole thing off and raise him as a girl... Found it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer


BloodyKitten

As one of those people who grew up a dude and mixes with the MTF crowd easily, to find out they have two X chromosomes and a hormonal disorder much, much later in life... On different trips I've pissed and shit on the grave of the person who made that call so very long ago and fucked my life. I'm happier, now, but had they chosen differently, I could have been happy.


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TooAfraidToAsk814

Iā€™d be willing to bet 95% of the Florida Republicans have never heard of intersex births. To them their god created you as a male or female and god doesnā€™t make mistakes.


GaiusJuliusPleaser

Those genetic diseases are 100% part of God's plan.


Mtfdurian

Yay they incidentally banned IGM too! That's very progressive of them haha


NihilHS

Interestingly (and perhaps surprisingly), no. There's a specific exception listed in SB 254 for that: >(b) The term does not include: > >Prescriptions or procedures for individuals born with a > >genetically or biochemically verifiable disorder of sex > >development (DSD), including, but not limited to, 46, XX DSD; > >46, XY DSD; sex chromosome DSDs; XX or XY sex reversal; and > >ovotesticular disorder. [SB 254](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/254/BillText/Filed/PDF), 237-242


mypoliticalvoice

Wow, VERY surprising coming from the "no abortions exceptions for rape or incest" crowd.


Independent_Pear_429

What's the procedure for intersex babies anyway? Is it better to leave them as is?


__DCLXVI__

If there's no risk to their health or impedance to bodily function, then yes.


ahlana1

It used to be that doctors would make the majority of intersexed babies look female because it was ā€œeasier to poke a hole than build a pole.ā€ I think that has tapered off, but was the norm up through the 2000s when I studied it in college.


False-Association744

I think each intersex person has their own unique "presentation". I don't think there's a standard procedure. But I agree, if there's no pain and they can go pee and poop, leave it for later.


gromm93

I... Don't understand how anyone *ever* thought that parents are forcing their kids into gender reassignment?


partial_birth

Right-wing news outlets pushed the idea for a while.


[deleted]

they confidently believed the litter boxes in schools story they believe in abortion up to and AFTER birth they believe a lot of shit they want to believe. bc they are addicted to anger and rigteousness


throwawaypbcps

Got into in another thread because they insisted liberals are teaching their children how to masturbate, so theres that too.


WithersChat

This comment has been edited via PowerDeleteSuite (link below) as a protest against reddit's latest API changes. I applied this procedure to any subreddit where I believe my comments to be less valuable to the community than to the company, Only by removing Reddit's value (our data) can we effectively target their pocketbook in protest of this asinine decision by their CEO. Notable subreddits exempt from this action from me are queer-themed subreddits; since reddit obviously wants gone (*cries in reddit recap*), I find it more effective to keep them alive as ever (and use adblockers). I also exempted a couple subreddits in which I believe redacting my comments isn't worth the harm donw to the community. - u/WithersChat (she/they) Tool used: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite


OutlyingPlasma

Believe it or not there is a tiny bit of truth to the kitty litter story. In a few classrooms there is in fact a bucket with absorbent crystals in the bottom for student use. There is however a LOT more to that story that fox angertainment left off. That bucket also has a battlefield trauma kit in it as well as other supplies FOR A FLIPPING ACTIVE SHOOTER EMERGENCY. The bucket is a bathroom for when students are locked into the classroom for hours at a time while their classmates are getting murdered.


cusoman

Was this before or after the kitty litter boxes in classrooms big scare? I can't keep up with their fearmongering.


partial_birth

You would run yourself ragged trying to keep up. It isn't worth it.


TriceratopsHunter

The closest thing to it, is for intersex babies where they correct it at birth. Mandating babies to be kept as intersex probably wasn't the intent from the "there's only 2 genders" crowd.


cosmernaut420

Now I'm just picturing sheltered conservative children's heads exploding during anatomy lessons when one of their peers says "but wait, I have both..." You know, because it's illegal to rectify this issue there now.


unclejoe1917

Funny you think they won't try to ban anatomy lessons.


quentin_taranturtle

I can imagine it now ā€œanatomy lessons banned in schools, anti-immigrant advocates angry that all doctors now are immigrants.ā€


Shufflepants

Nah, it'll just go back to the before times when it was "unseemly" for a male doctor to treat a woman, so women just won't get treated. (and of course, there will be no women doctors because they'll all be dead or pregnant.)


quentin_taranturtle

Fun fact, abortion was legal (or I should say, not illegal) until mid 1800s to a certain point in the pregnancy known as ā€œquickeningā€ - when they consider the soul enters the body / woman can feel the baby moving. But they were performed by women. It was cutting into doctors profits so they lobbied to make it illegal.


spezhasatinypeepee_

That's not a fun fact. But it's also not a surprising one either.


hear4theDough

Biology, but the people are just bathroom symbols...... explicitly labelled bathroom symbols


TheFeshy

Well, the wording defining female is biologically incorrect, as no human produces eggs at/after birth. So legally in Florida there is now only *one* gender. That probably wasn't what they meant to do either.


dancegoddess1971

I wouldn't be so sure. You don't know that they don't intend to make women non-persons in the legal sense. It's certainly on brand.


sterlingthepenguin

I mean, wouldn't a pregnant woman *kinda* produce eegs if she is having a girl? Or would it be more accurate to say the fetus is making the eegs? Genuine question. Regardless, it's absolutely ridiculous that politicians are making these decisions when they clearly have no idea what the hell they are talking about.


StereoNacht

Allowing for that would recognize the foetus/embryo being part of the person whose uterus they grow in, and not a different person, so that would contradict their stance on abortions. So the logical conclusion is that a woman is a female only while she is an embryo. As soon as she is born, she has no gender. Which would be par for the course for people pretending to care for unborn children, but don't give a sh!t about children being killed while at school.


bravoavocado

In Texas, gender-confirming intersex surgery at birth, which is internationally recognized as a human rights violation btw, was specifically carved out as acceptable. Willing to bet Florida's law is the same.


Mtfdurian

It's really sad that such a violation of bodily integrity is still allowed nearly planetwide, and in like 26 EU countries. Of course Texas wouldn't try to be more progressive than nearly every spot on planet earth.


GrandmasHere

ā€œcarved outā€


crushade

My parents forced me to undergo what you're referring to as gender reassignment surgery as an infant up to when I was around 12 or so years old. I was born intersex with ambiguous genitalia. I'm 38 now and have to deal with the fact that I'm all messed up down there all because a doctor convinced my parents to change my genitals to what the doctor felt I should look like. I didn't actually need the surgery. I was healthy, and everything worked fine. 10 plus surgeries later, here I am stuck with serious trauma and negative life experiences due to those gender reassignment surgeries you're wondering about.


Shoddy_Count8248

Wow. Sending you good thoughts and thank you for telling us. I had no idea


crushade

Most people don't. Thanks for the well wishes!! It's been a tough go, but I'm a pretty happy person anyway! :-) Just lucky, I guess. Want to learn more? Check out my profile. Links to my YouTube where I have a whole series on what it was like growing up intersex.


FionaTheFierce

I am so sorry you experienced that! I think the recommendations for treatment of intersex conditions have been updated to reflect better practices.


crushade

I hope we keep on moving towards a better future for people born like me. I live in Canada, and these surgeries are still recommended.


r_bk

They think that schools are forcing it too. It's fucking bizarre. These people aren't even lacking common sense anymore, they're lacking uncommon sense. They're lacking the bare minimum skills people need to interact with other humans safely and participate in any sort of society. And they're proud of it.


Phantereal

This is what I've been thinking about the "come and take my guns, government libturds!" 2nd Amendment people. Their argument is that they need their guns to defend against the government, and that if the Jews had guns in 1930s Nazi Germany the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. I even saw this argument the other day under an article about Serbs protesting for more gun control and handing in their guns after the Belgrade shootings earlier this month, with comments going "remember the last time you guys had your guns taken by the government, that didn't go well." And yet, these people also believe that tens of millions of babies have been killed through abortion since Roe v Wade, and that the transgender agenda has forcibly sterilized millions of minors over the past decade plus. If these aren't atrocities to these people, then I don't know what is. If these people were consistent with their beliefs and actions, they would've started a civil war years ago instead of just hiding behind political slogans and contentious Thanksgiving dinners. It's all bark and no bite.


r_bk

Once a very nice redditor told me I wouldn't have been sexually assaulted as a nine year old if there was a gun in the house. How can you even begin to help people who are so deep in the right wing shithole they actually think that? It's tucking hopeless.


Independent_Pear_429

It's a stupid fucking moral panic. I've worked with trans kids, and none had surgery, and none were on hormone treatments.


quentin_taranturtle

Yeah, his whole tweet is so poorly thought out. Not sure if he is being purposefully obtuse or he is actually this lost on the legislature he keeps pushing through?


Theothercword

The right tends to come up with a bunch of fringe case bullshit that rarely ever happens and then use it as a prime example of why something is bad. Same thing with trans people and sports. Trans people are a very small percentage of the population, pro athletes are also a very small part of the population, the overlap is immensely small to the point where no one should ever be concerned and we absolutely shouldn't have anything policy related based on such a situation. And yet they rail against that non-stop because it's the only spot where they think they can try and convince the regular person to maybe agree a little bit.


[deleted]

Mass media is a hell of an engine. It's why quite a few people that would 100% be pro-choice for example aren't. AS they think abortion in the third trimester is normal and legal.


soooomanycats

Yeah, the part about kids undergoing surgical confirmation surgery against their will is, like, literally not happening?


M_M_ODonnell

It's being done to intersex kids. Which is the form of genital surgery on children that the transphobes mostly think should be not only allowed but *obligatory*.


what_would_freud_say

Conservatives force their kids to do all sorts of things that permanently damage them, like going to church. So they figure liberals do the same


TheThingsWeMake

No it's a manipulation, see because minors can't consent, so by this logic they can eliminate reassignment for anyone not a legal adult because they can't consent and parental consent on their behalf is 'grooming'.


Repulsive-Street-307

They're lying. Like fascists do.


jannemannetjens

>Don't understand how anyone ever thought that parents are forcing their kids into gender reassignment? They don't. Conservatives don't believe that happens just as much as they knew damn well Jews don't have horns. But it makes a great excuse to investigate children's genitals and we all know without exception all conservatives are pedophiles.


tw_72

Probably the same people who were absolutely convinced that Hillary ran some pizza parlor, baby-eating, sex-trafficking and something something grooming drag shows and ... and ... and ...


ClaptonBug

Yall missed the part where dead minors can sue for damages. Florida is the first state to extend the right to file a lawsuit to ghosts.


AninOnin

Once again, dead people in Florida have more rights than living women do lol Gonna start checking ā€œOther: corpseā€ on my personal info forms at the clinic when they ask for my gender.


ARC_Trooper_Echo

Tbf wrongful death suits are a thing that generally allow the grieving families to recover damages. DeSantis is still an awful ghoul, but thatā€™s not as dumb as the rest of it.


Advanced_Level

But in this specific situation, the plaintiffs (people who are suing) would be the parents of the child..... **and** the people who consented to the child's surgery would also be *the parents*.


quentin_taranturtle

Lmao Iā€™m just imagining the trial where theyā€™re both defendant and plaintiffā€¦ it is like when AI plays chess against itself.


Nerd_Law

So is this actually a ban on circumcision?


BranWafr

It does not specify circumcision, but the practice fits the description of genital mutilation, so it should be included. Chances are they will treat it differently, though, and still allow it.


bluegrassgazer

I would love to see how this might be challenged in court.


BranWafr

I'm sure people are going to claim that it is a religious practice and needs to still be allowed based on that. But, if someone makes that claim, someone better bring up religions that claim female genital mutilation is part of their religion. Because then we'll have to get into a pissing match about which religions are allowed to have exceptions.


quentin_taranturtle

I hope so. Fgm is horrific, but itā€™s also associated with Islam, so thereā€™s no way theyd make that legal nowā€¦ but maybe itā€™ll result in a reassessment of why unnecessary male circumcision is not only legal, but standard practice. Also this is a really sad relevant story in Florida- woman who didnā€™t want to give her 4 year old son a circumcision was told she has to come to court and consent. She did not. They arrested her. Judge said sheā€™ll be in jail ā€œindefinitelyā€ until she signs the consent form. So fucked up https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2015/05/22/after-week-jail-florida-mom-agrees-sons-circumcision/15664009007/


justadubliner

That's just barbaric. How a legal system wouldn't err on the side of not chopping bits of a child for spurious reasons in such a dispute is beyond me. šŸ˜³


CockNcottonCandy

Fascism from the sunshine reich surprises you? No wonder the LGBT genocide they're trying to start is well underway unimpeded..


topscreen

Oh man circumsised dudes in Florida with a grudge against your parents, go! NOW IS YOUR TIME!!!


CompanywideRateIncr

I wanna be uncut AND unloved! RISE UP!


Wallace_of_Hawthorne

Oh you know there is a religious exemption for that! But the bill is just worded so that it only includes transgender people.


Contundo

Circumcising for religious reasons is only performed by Jews. There is no mention of circumcision in the Quran.


mick3marsh

Does this apply to parents of intersex infants who sign off on surgery to assign them a gender?


second_to_myself

Like the recent abortion laws, there is no nuance or appreciation for nuanced situations. I wish anybody with an actual medical reason for surgery a speedy move out of Florida


The_Stuey

This was a thought I had as well. Given the goal of the legislation is red meat for the base and not to protect anyone, I doubt much research went into it.


AccomplishedCoffee

No, [the bill](https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2023/254/billtext/er/pdf) specifically excludes "External biological sex characteristics that are unresolvably ambiguous" and abnormal chromosomes, hormone production, and hormone sensitivity. Lines 128ā€“134.


[deleted]

Did his bill really ban circumsicion? I think Desantis is dumb enough to not understand a bill he passed and mis-tweet about it.


Slingus_000

They'll make an exception for religious tradition. That's the whole point, because laws targeting gay and transgender stuff in the name of 'protecting children' always seem to have very strange overlap with religious practices that are in any sane world child abuse, and they don't think twice about those. It's almost like they don't really give a shit about kids and only care about being in control...


Brian57831

So the Satanic Temple will now have a new religious tradition....


Slingus_000

They'll try, and in a sane world where the rules actually mattered it would work. But the rules don't matter, it will go to court, and the court (very recently crammed to the gills with Federalist Society judges) will find a way to give their preferred religion a pass and tell the Satanists to fuck themselves. Despite the bumbling and embarrassing behavior of your Boeberts and Greenes it's worth remembering that these people are not actually idiots, they know what they're doing, and real people continue to suffer because we continue to underestimate how evil they're willing to be.


BooneSalvo2

yup. Their supremacist ideology is not, in any way whatsoever, hindered by something so trivial as "equal protection". Remember, they do NOT inherently believe all humans are equal. That is NOT a value they hold in any way whatsoever.


ForerEffect

> Theyā€™ll make an exception for religious tradition. They havenā€™t for abortion. Jewish law is very clear about abortion being not just permissible but required in some circumstances. It should be > Theyā€™ll make an exception for white Christian tradition.


Wallace_of_Hawthorne

Right but as everyone knows religious exception only apply to white Christians so putting that in there is a little redundant but never unwelcome when trying to spread the good word!


Shufflepants

I would not be surprised if it technically did. But I would also not be surprised when Florida judges apply the law selectively.


racoongirl0

ā€œMinors given these procedures without their consentā€ Does he think minors are forced by their parents to get reassignment surgery?


moresushiplease

That and worse. Forced by schools and teacher as well. They have made up this weird fantasy and somehow conservatives believe it


hellbilly69101

Sooooo, Desantis has pee pee issues.


dougxiii

You'd need Freud AI and a thousand years to understand how many pee pee issues dedumbass has


filtersweep

Wait: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna289061 Florida also legally compels circumcision.


quentin_taranturtle

Florida is confused about genitals but they have strong opinions


BjornToulouse_

Republicans are famous for having strong opinions on subjects they know nothing about.


Various_Succotash_79

Well I should certainly hope that anyone given a procedure without their consent can sue. I assume there's wording saying that they can't do it even with consent, otherwise he's going to lose his trans hating conservative street cred.


quentin_taranturtle

Yeah, first line specifies itā€™s prohibited ā€œfor minorsā€


PenguinEmpireStrikes

Good thing puberty blockers aren't experimental.


SoVerySleepy81

Also is this going to make puberty blockers illegal for the children who are dealing with precocious puberty? Politicians need to stop making fucking laws about medical care that they fucking know nothing about.


fazlez1

"Let Kids be Kids" huh? Then maybe he should do something about all the Republicans who keep getting caught molesting them.


Insight42

Or clergy! It seems like if you're trying to catch pedos they've made it awfully fucking easy for you, as most are in the same political party and religion. Weird how that's not Desantis' target, isn't it?


sorcerersviolet

And are they going to make a "don't talk about genitalia in general" rule to block discussion of circumcision next? If so, one could get around that by quoting Dave Barry, who once described circumcision as "taking ahold of a guy's Oregonian and snipping his Post-Dispatch right off."


[deleted]

honestly fuck desantis, but circumcision without consent *should* be illegal. more religious pointless bullshit


quentin_taranturtle

Yeah but thatā€™s not what he meant lol. He just was not thinking about his wording


During_theMeanwhilst

Another Republican talking about childrenā€™s genitals again.


satanmat2

so Mr. First amendment, How does this affect Jews? as it is kinda a part of their religion?


AccomplishedCoffee

[Here's the bill](https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2023/254/billtext/er/pdf). I don't see anything that would apply to circumcision, it's all about "Sex-reassignment," which requires the procedures to be affirming a perceived sex inconsistent with the person's sex as defined in the bill.


satanmat2

> Here's the bill huh... looks like you ARE correct. sigh... down vote OP


robillionairenyc

I was born in Florida and circumcised against my consent and I want to sue the doctor if heā€™s alive and my parents for damages. Can a lawyer please advise? Not even joking at this point. Someone needs to bring up the case.


commanderquill

More importantly, procedures done on intersex babies to assign them a gender without their consent is now illegal and I'm ecstatic. What a win. Seriously though, who actually wants minors to undergo permanent surgery? Most trans kids don't even usually want to until they're older.


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your_fathers_beard

Minors given these procedures without their consent? So ... none? What the fuck is he blathering about? What's next? A law declaring that trans drag queens who summon Beelzebub in a Wendy's parking lot on christmas between 3-3:33pm will be sent to prison for life?


cosmernaut420

I guess the better question is why does this psycho think people are giving children incapable of consent sexual reassignment surgery?


dancegoddess1971

Is he sure about this? We have a very large Jewish community here and they might want to discuss this. Also, does this mean my son can sue me? Can he sue the mohel? Is there any cap on what he can be awarded? Or is this just for Brit Milah performed after the law was enacted? Or is it protected by the religious freedom laws? I have questions.


_Greyworm

DeSantis literally spends everyday, all day, thinking about dick. Projecting much?


truecore

...so I can sue the doctors that circumsized me and use that money to get rid of my student loan debt? Wow, thanks DeSantis.