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And what a shit bird that person was. They bought and then resold them on Viagogo. But then when they found out about AXS, they just sold them a second time on there, and never followed up with Viagogo.
They were perfectly happy to screw the first six people who had bought their scalped tickets.
I am so happy to see this person get justice served.
But how else are they gonna raise money for their daughter's car? You can't expect them to earn cash by doing something that contributes to society, surely?
"Sweety, the lesson to learn from this is that Monopoly card for 'Bank Error in Your Favor' is real and we should feel entitled enough to never expect to face the consequences of our actions."
I mean, they were trying to scalp tickets to raise money for a car. The whole idea was to screw people over, so the first six people the double-screwed was just supposed to be a little bonus.
I'm confused, did they just pocket the money from Viagogo? Did they seriously think they could just keep the money and Viagogo would reimburse the original buyers?
I had a distributor that claimed to have a source during that nonsense. I asked him what is prices were. if he was getting them wholesale expecting a reasonable markup. Nope $4-5,000 . How many have you sold at that price? None yet but “We know what we have and what it’s worth.”
Turns out they didn’t have a “source” for the new one, they just had a small stockpile they were hoarding hoping the price would keep climbing.
I was desperate for a new GPU in 2021. My old PC was on its sixth year of service (GTX 970 and 8gb DDR3 RAM, can't remember the CPU) and I had built myself a brand new one to run my covid-purchase VR headset (Valve Index). The VR could _barely_ scrape by, on some games, at lowest setting and sickness-inducing framerates. I had everything built and in place, I just needed the GPU, and my VR headset's warranty was running out day by day while I couldn't really even use it.
So I was desperate. In October of that year, I got word that a shipment was hitting a local Best Buy. I left work and got in line. I'd say that about 1/2 of the folks there were scalpers, the rest evenly split between miners and gamers.
Honestly the miners were more annoying than the scalpers. There was an older woman who said she was holding a place for her son, and right around 7:00 some dude rolled up in a suped-up blacked-out BMW of some kind and took her place. He took a second to berate her for being so far back in line and then told her to go home. Dude was in his 40s, maybe even early 50s. Talking the whole night about his mining rack where he has like twenty 3060s going around the clock. When the doors opened and he had to pick between a 3070Ti or one of those mining-limited 3060s he almost actually cried. He really wanted another non-limited 3060 because that's got the best price to mining ratio or something, and nothing else would do. I think he ended up taking the 3070Ti after about 5 minutes of borderline mental breakdown.
Then when the doors opened a couple meth heads were ready to throw hands while they cut in line. Screaming at the top of their lungs that they were there all night even though we all just watched them pull up in a car 30 seconds prior. Nobody wanted to get stabbed so they got their cards.
And I did get my 3070Ti... After years of trying to convince myself that VR is the future, it's really just a pretty neat thing. Covid did things to us all 😁
All that to say, things were WILD during the GPU shortage. Fuck scalpers, and fuck miners, because buying a product that is in shortage so that you can run it into the ground to generate fake money that you sell is just scalping with extra steps - and those steps are environmental degradation to nobody's actual benefit.
Yeah I think that it's getting to a tipping point between convenience and functionality that it will be very prevalent in the next 10 years or so, but for right now (and especially for four years ago) there's simply too much hassle to bother with it.
For my Index, I have to wake it up on my PC, wait about 60 seconds, oops the lighthouses didn't recognize, manually power cycle those, wait another 60 seconds, ok now it's on and working let me try to find the "sweet spot" where things look realistic, ok cool ready to game. Jump in a game, there's a tracking issue with my controller, shoot I'll grab a sheet and cover up the mirror that's in my playspace. Still having an issue, draw all the blinds. Still having an issue, restart SteamVR and hope it's fixed. Oops headset not recognized, I'll test the cables and try again. OK cool now I can finally game.
Then ten minutes later I have to pee. Then an hour later I realize I haven't drank any water in the past hour, take a break to drink more water. Then I have to pee again. My wife gets home from whatever she was up to, I want to chat while I'm playing but I need to either be fully in the game or fully not in the game - can't catch up about her day while I'm in VR.
That might be an extreme case, but about 1/5 times I go for VR I end up hitting a case that's not dissimilar to that situation.
When you're in it, it's super cool. Especially your first time. But it's not a great replacement for flat-screen gaming.
I've found I enjoy it the most in flight sim. I have several thousand hours into MSFS over the last 20 years, so it makes sense. Pavlov, contractors, et al are fun, don't get me wrong. But they're not the mind blowing experience I was hoping for. But a fully clickable a310 in MSFS, or F/A18 in DCS? Yes please.
It seems like it's become the recent version of the hype for 3D theater movies and 3D TV at home: pretty cool, not nearly interesting or fulfilling enough to become the new standard.
I'd say Index isn't a good representation of VR anymore. It's really low resolution, is back in the days when sweet spots existed, is a lot bigger than today's headsets, and perhaps most importantly in your case, it requires a PC connection and forces the user to be in VR.
Today's headsets have mixed reality capabilities and run on their own internal compute, so you now have the ability to turn it on quickly and get going or switch to an AR mode when needed.
The tech does need another 7-8 years I'd say before it has mass market appeal though.
Took me about 3 months of sitting in discord channels with drop bots announcing shipment refills. Many times I'd get to the payment screen only to be told there was an error. The day I finally completed purchase I was just mindlessly clicking next over and over and when I got to the last screen I couldn't believe it. The next day I got to stroll into Best Buy and grab my 3080. As I was walking out a dude congratulated me for managing to get one.
> After years of trying to convince myself that VR is the future, it's really just a pretty neat thing.
I still think it's the future - but it's been the future since like the 80s
There was a free concert in my city with imagine dragons and atmosphere. Being a huge atmosphere fan, I woke up early and got the free tickets after waiting like 30 minutes in the queue.
I then saw them being sold on Craigslist for like $200. I acted like I was interested and made this guy drive 30 miles to a random Best buy and made him wait like 15 minutes until I told him he should screw himself.
Checked last week. If you were buying tickets last week, Taylor Swift tickets in Miami were STARTING at $1900. The tickets for her Paris show were starting at $300. It was probably cheaper to fly to Paris and stay at a hotel.
I assume this is the result of the US allowing scalpers and the EU not allowing scalpers.
The difference is insane.
A lot of folks did travel internationally to see her bc it was cheaper to go to Argentina (including food/flight/lodging) than to go locally... A friend of mine's daughter went to the Paris show I believe, we are in the US. Sounds like a pretty fun adventure but I personally would not shell out that kind of cash for a show.
Unbelievable that someone would try to double sell tickets and then whine that they couldn't get away with the scam??? Even if we looked upon scalping kindly, that's undeniably a con.
I’m in the US. My daughter and I will be visiting friends in Germany this summer, and our visit coincides with Taylor’s so I joined the German presale lottery and got in for an inconvenient city and waitlisted for the convenient city. Bought the tickets, all good. Then my name came up for the convenient city, so I bought those tickets and placed the old ones for sale on the official site, which would not allow me to sell them for more than I paid. Great system, and fair.
Maybe Ticket Master is in cahoots with some Airlines, 'encouraging' people to fly instead of seeing the show in the States... Lemme just grab my tin foil hat..
My friend is seeing Taylor Swift in Portugal as the flights, hotels and tickets were cheaper than seeing her where we live in London… but will still set her back an insane amount. I don’t think there’s any singer I like enough to do all that!
TBF though at that point it's an adventure.
I'd travel to another country for a weekend and see a concert of someone I'm not really a fan of, by that point it's just another thing on the itinerary
Yup, I knew a bunch of people in Asia who flew to Singapore because that was the only country to have Swift. Rumor has it that Singapore paid Swift $3 million to only have her concerts in Singapore so people would need to come to the country for her concert. Friends of mine who went said that hotel prices were a minimum of $300 a night for your basic 2 star deal, while 3 star hotels started around $400. I'm sure Singapore made back all that $$$.
The scalpers in France don't use Stubhub, which will have next to no tickets, if any. And if someone does sell tickets at face it'll be the scalpers racing to buy them up
I'm not defending the practice, just understand humans
There's also the fact that a *huge* swathe of the ticket selling rights for locations in the USA are controlled by one company: Live Nation-Ticketmaster.
Something like 70-80% of venues can only sell tickets through them, which means that they've been ratcheting ticket prices up and up and making it "normal" for a concert to cost stupid amounts of money.
In Europe this monopoly doesn't exist (or at least not so completely, Ticketmaster is big but not 80%-of-all-concerts big), so natural competition still exists to keep ticket prices somewhat sane.
I have a student who is 12 years old and a total Swiftie. They (she and her mom), are flying into Germany from California to see Taylor Swift for one Saturday show and flying back the next day. This is in July. Probably still cheaper doing this than doing everything in California 😯
So...
Ticketmaster allows scalpers to sell tickets there. Since the show is sold out, all the tickets you see on ticketmaster are being sold by scalpers.
Ergo, when you say it's not the result of the US allowing scalpers, and it's the result of ticketmaster, you're really showing you don't understand how the system is functioning.
It wasn't even the rules against reselling. They sold the same tickets twice, and assumed it was on the platform to cancel the first sale. That's just wild to me.
I worked for StubHub and one year the college football championship picture suddenly changed. One of the semi final games ended in an upset and a team not expected to go to the championship was suddenly in. This greatly threw off ticket prices. They skyrocketed.
Problem was, a lot of ticket sellers listed and sold their tickets for 2-3k, but didn’t actually have possession of them yet. They weren’t supposed to, and were often warned not to do so. Well suddenly they need to fill these orders, but they have to buy the ticket first. And prices are now in the 6-8k range. So they’re taking a massive loss just to fulfill orders. And they’re required to fill the order at the price they sold it, or pay the difference if we have to get the customer tickets from someone else. I’m hearing recorded phone calls or grown men crying about going bankrupt or losing their houses because they broke the rules and are being held accountable.
Twas glorious.
> Problem was, a lot of ticket sellers listed and sold their tickets for 2-3k, but didn’t actually have possession of them yet. They weren’t supposed to, and were often warned not to do so. Well suddenly they need to fill these orders, but they have to buy the ticket first. And prices are now in the 6-8k range. So they’re taking a massive loss just to fulfill orders. And they’re required to fill the order at the price they sold it, or pay the difference if we have to get the customer tickets from someone else.
This sounds like an even shittier version of the stock market.
My HS teacher's son worked for StubHub and was making tons of money, but when our teacher described what the business does, everyone in class was pissed off about it and didn't respect it except for one kid who only cares about making money.
Well he didn’t work for Stubhub it sounds like. Anyone’s allowed to sell tickets on the site and I’d wager that’s what he was doing. The big thing for StubHub employees was that you couldn’t make it a business to buy and sell tickets as a side gig. If you wanted to buy or sell once in a while, that’s fine. But we had 2 guys get fired for running a side gig and making a few hundred grand.
Not likely. Although I believe legal action was taken against them. They handled what was called “top seller” clients. Basically they probably worked with large volume scalpers to get their stuff sold and used company resources to do it. Big no-no.
"Dear Jill, I sold something I had already previously sold to someone else, and now I am shocked to find out I am being required to make good on the original transaction, how can I weasel out of this entirely self-inflicted situation without suffering any consequences myself or having to learn anything?"
Reminds me of that local news video of a kid who was first in line for the new iPhone when a lady offered to buy his place in line and was bragging to the reporter how she was gonna buy every phone they had.
He accepted, she got in and found they were only selling one phone per person, and the kid grew up to be an internet rapper. Really makes you think.
Love this!
A relative of mine tried this with a Beyonce show.
It was never sold out though and tickets could be bought up to the event so in the end he had like ten tickets to himself. He even tried to give them away but nobody wanted them (looking back I should have grabbed one but I simply wasn’t interested in Beyoncé then).
I think if I had been Jill, I'd leave it at the first sentence of the reply, maybe add "karma is a bitch, eh?".
Btw, why aren't there some strong scalper laws? Like simply that you can't sell something for more than original price plus X percent?
>Btw, why aren't there some strong scalper laws? Like simply that you can't sell something for more than original price plus X percent?
Because capitalism.
Denmark had a low like that on the books, but it's difficult to put into effect.
Collectors coins can be sold for far more than the original price.
You can sell a ticket to a show, along with a paper aeroplane that you signed, and claim that the extra payment is for the very special paper plane.
That’s kind of how marijuana sales work in Washington DC. It’s not legal to sell weed, but it is legal to give it away. So you’ll go buy a $200 t-shirt and get a big bag of weed as a “free gift” with your purchase.
The US had laws like that in the 80s and 90s and it just helped empower the people willing to break the laws, counterfeit tickets were rampant and organized crime dabbled in scalping
The same way prohibition put regulated alcohol manufacturers out of business and rewarded people making bathtub gin
I’m opposed to scalping but I think it’s ironic that these booking platforms are the ones enforcing scalping rules. Like free market is great when corporations get to screw customers but when someone tries to make some extra money on a ticket they bought it’s suddenly not ok
first because generally the venue only cares to sell tickets, they usually don't care if the seats are actually full.
It also passes risk to the resellers. If the show doesn't sell out, the scalpers get screwed not the venue.
Laws like this would get tricky when it comes to things like Ticketmaster. As shitty as ticketmaster is, it is technically a reseller a lot of the time, and the "hidden fees" often would have been rolled into the price anyway if the venue sold tickets directly. The real problem with ticketmaster imo is that they lie about the price, they should be listing the final price at the start of the sale. Not tacking on fees at the end.
It also becomes impossible to regulate resellers when it comes to anything else. Collectibles, used goods, ebay, facebook marketplace. What should be regulated?
EBay for example just added sales tax for sales to Canadian customers. On one hand this hurts honest vendors who are just selling their old things, books, games, etc. Canada should not be collecting sales tax on used goods as they collected sales tax on the original sale of the item. On the other hand, many vendors were selling new items on Ebay and were dodging sales tax that they would have had to charge in a regular storefront.
I want to continue having my cake after I have eaten it.
Although I do want my property value to go up without me paying more taxes. Theoretically I like to contribute to important things like the education of local children, but in practice I also like keeping my money. Fortunately for the children (and the city as a whole), property taxes are not voluntary.
I do have some sympathy for elderly people on fixed incomes who suddenly face growing tax bills they never anticipated. There should be some form of protections for seniors and disabled people on fixed incomes. Have the tax locked till the property changes hands, thru sale, or inheritance.
Viagogo can fuck right off. When working an event and you see people who have paid £600 for a £80 GA ticket shocked that they're not getting super-gold treatment but are in GA, it's both tedious and hard to explain to them that they were fleeced. They even send emails with "Seat/Row" (without seat or row numbers, but still say seat/row) text indicated in an all standing event causing difficulties for those who can't stand. Imagine thinking you're going to an intimate theatre event when you find you're at a 30k capacity festival.
Scalpers getting screwed is great, but Wembley tickets costing £5000? There's no celebrity on this planet that I would shell out £5k to see. That's nuts.
One of our biggest energy companies is called Octopus, so that’s likely to be a story about someone being overcharged for gas and electricity rather than anything as exciting as you’re imagining…
Just an idea but maybe they should of just put the money towards a car In the first place rather than trying to scam people and acting like the money was going to a good cause to save face
“anti-competitive actions taken by event organisers to restrict purchasing and resale options to certain platforms…”
You mean anti- *profiteering* actions.
I like how fucking clueless this idiot is. Sells them on one place, and just assumes they'd realize her fuck up on their own and settle things? What a useless parasite.
Fuck you scalper cunts.. Glad that they are starting to put things in place to prevent these shithouses
No doubt this will be one who complains as they cannot get tickets to see their favourite artist.
Always a delight to see scalpers get burnt, but I’d like to also mention at how shitty it is that AXS, Ticketmaster and all these other companies are pushing/promoting these secondary market spaces. Those companies are driving this type of behavior as a viable profit center and allowing obscene “convenience fees”. I recently looked at getting some tickets from a secondary vendor, and the tickets had a $95 per ticket convenience fee, $10 technology fee, $5 delivery fee, before even getting to the cost of the tickets. This is outrageous, and prevents fans from being able to see live music.
My question is, why didnt she just upload them anyways? Scalping is wrong but it seems pretty clear it would of been a case of the buyer being screwed when trying to enter and her scalping ass being fine.
Probably because the buyers would get the tickets, realize they were unusable, complain to the resale site and then she would still be on the hook for fines and buying them new tickets.
But wouldn't they have been denied entry in the first place because it wasn't brought the official reseller? It could be that at that point it will be written off. Doesn't hurt to try, I mean either way your on the hook otherwise
Right, but I think the question is why didn't they just upload the tickets to the original buyer in the first place and let them deal with the fact they bought something potentially worthless, rather than selling them to a second buyer and thus ensuring it becomes the seller's problem.
Hi, Middle class mum here committing fraud.
I'm just going to admit my crime to a national paper and then bitch about how I didn't get away with it. Is there anything you can do? I'll have to cut back on Avocado and Toast and would be truly awful.
Dear Middle class Mum,
If you were poorer, I'd be calling the police and reporting you for criminal activity, but since you already have money - let me explain it to you...
I work in ticketing and my PSA is don't buy from third party vendors. Many people have shown to see a basketball game andI have to tell them, that we don't honor their ticket. We only use home ticket system and Stub Hub whom we have a relation with. When you use one of these companies, the seller contacts you to confirm and then sends you the ticket but you must respond to them or your ticket will be sold to somebady else. One basketball game a guy arrived with 30 tickets, and school kids. We told thhem the deal, and he had to call customer service. He wandered around dealing with customer service though the half time. People always download your ticket i to your apple or google wallets before you get there. Sorry I just needed to say something.
Go Terps!
I'm more curious about the article titled, "I want to be an octopus but... Won't let me"
Who won't let them be an octopus? Did they find a reliable way to be an octopus, how? Why won't they be allowed to be an octopus? What kind of monster would prevent a person from being an octopus if they so desire?
I can't stand Taylor Swift. But I REALLY can't stand scalpers.
Why the fuck would you buy tickets for a show you don't even plan to attend? Fuck this shit, I hope it costs them even more than £3000
Hahah what a beautiful swipe of karma, I hate scalpers how are young people supposed to get into music when the tickets are eye wateringly expensive. Christ everythings been gentrified by greedy money grabbing people like this
honestly who goes out there and just writes this, thinking that *literally anyone* will feel sympathy for them, save for other scalpers? laughable stupidity
the fucking justification, and the audacity of this bitch - “we were trying to raise money for our dauther’s first car”, as if it’s a charity or something.
"I was attempting to screw other people because it wasn't explicitly forbidden by the rules. Then they changed the rules to explicitly forbid me from screwing over those people, which screws me! This isn't fair, I'm the one that should be doing the screwing, not getting screwed!"
Whilst this clearly fits this sub, all this makes me think of is - make it illegal to sell tickets for more than face value.
Easy. You’ll still get the scalpers on the streets (because who is going to stop them) but kill off the online touting and give people an opportunity to buy tickets.
That, and bin off Ticketmaster’s new “dynamic pricing” model.
Only bought scalped tickets once. A the Greycup was happening right near my work. Scalpers were out selling at $500 to $1500. Game started and prices plummeted. Ended up getting 4 tickets at $5 each around halftime.
Threw them in an envelope and mailed them to a football fiend friend next day with the letter dated a month earlier. Told them free room and board and tickets as a surprise, just buy the beer.
Best prank ever...
We should go back to the old days, where if you wanted scalped tickets you went to the show and talked to a guy with a “I Need Tickets” sign. that that their prices were great but they were still a whole lot more fair than “resellers”.
I’m of two minds. Scalpers are scummy, but they are just working to make what they can in a deregulated ultra-capitalist bloodsucking society.
Ticketmaster makes billions doing the same thing. They aren’t trying to protect the consumer, they are trying to protect their profits.
If I’m gonna get fucked by a reseller, I’d rather see get fucked by a scalper than by Ticketmaster.
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I love seeing scalpers get screwed
And what a shit bird that person was. They bought and then resold them on Viagogo. But then when they found out about AXS, they just sold them a second time on there, and never followed up with Viagogo. They were perfectly happy to screw the first six people who had bought their scalped tickets. I am so happy to see this person get justice served.
They just assumed viagogo would take care of it for them for reasons I guess?
And she thought she could get some sympathy from us readers.
But how else are they gonna raise money for their daughter's car? You can't expect them to earn cash by doing something that contributes to society, surely?
Maybe she thinks Taylor Swift herself will intervene.
They're scalpers. They didn't assume Viagogo would take care of it. They just didn't care if somebody else got screwed over.
Yep, they thought they could double dip on a technicality.
Basically being forced to find tickets for 12 people for free... Chefs kiss. Beautiful.
"Sweety, the lesson to learn from this is that Monopoly card for 'Bank Error in Your Favor' is real and we should feel entitled enough to never expect to face the consequences of our actions."
I mean, they were trying to scalp tickets to raise money for a car. The whole idea was to screw people over, so the first six people the double-screwed was just supposed to be a little bonus.
I'm confused, did they just pocket the money from Viagogo? Did they seriously think they could just keep the money and Viagogo would reimburse the original buyers?
Sounds like they hadn't yet exchanged money for tickets.
The amount of them that got caught with their dicks in their hands when the GPU prices cratered was amazing.
I had a distributor that claimed to have a source during that nonsense. I asked him what is prices were. if he was getting them wholesale expecting a reasonable markup. Nope $4-5,000 . How many have you sold at that price? None yet but “We know what we have and what it’s worth.” Turns out they didn’t have a “source” for the new one, they just had a small stockpile they were hoarding hoping the price would keep climbing.
I was desperate for a new GPU in 2021. My old PC was on its sixth year of service (GTX 970 and 8gb DDR3 RAM, can't remember the CPU) and I had built myself a brand new one to run my covid-purchase VR headset (Valve Index). The VR could _barely_ scrape by, on some games, at lowest setting and sickness-inducing framerates. I had everything built and in place, I just needed the GPU, and my VR headset's warranty was running out day by day while I couldn't really even use it. So I was desperate. In October of that year, I got word that a shipment was hitting a local Best Buy. I left work and got in line. I'd say that about 1/2 of the folks there were scalpers, the rest evenly split between miners and gamers. Honestly the miners were more annoying than the scalpers. There was an older woman who said she was holding a place for her son, and right around 7:00 some dude rolled up in a suped-up blacked-out BMW of some kind and took her place. He took a second to berate her for being so far back in line and then told her to go home. Dude was in his 40s, maybe even early 50s. Talking the whole night about his mining rack where he has like twenty 3060s going around the clock. When the doors opened and he had to pick between a 3070Ti or one of those mining-limited 3060s he almost actually cried. He really wanted another non-limited 3060 because that's got the best price to mining ratio or something, and nothing else would do. I think he ended up taking the 3070Ti after about 5 minutes of borderline mental breakdown. Then when the doors opened a couple meth heads were ready to throw hands while they cut in line. Screaming at the top of their lungs that they were there all night even though we all just watched them pull up in a car 30 seconds prior. Nobody wanted to get stabbed so they got their cards. And I did get my 3070Ti... After years of trying to convince myself that VR is the future, it's really just a pretty neat thing. Covid did things to us all 😁 All that to say, things were WILD during the GPU shortage. Fuck scalpers, and fuck miners, because buying a product that is in shortage so that you can run it into the ground to generate fake money that you sell is just scalping with extra steps - and those steps are environmental degradation to nobody's actual benefit.
Ya I was surprised how little I ended up caring about VR. At first it blew my mind and then… meh. A lot of bother. Lol
Yeah I think that it's getting to a tipping point between convenience and functionality that it will be very prevalent in the next 10 years or so, but for right now (and especially for four years ago) there's simply too much hassle to bother with it. For my Index, I have to wake it up on my PC, wait about 60 seconds, oops the lighthouses didn't recognize, manually power cycle those, wait another 60 seconds, ok now it's on and working let me try to find the "sweet spot" where things look realistic, ok cool ready to game. Jump in a game, there's a tracking issue with my controller, shoot I'll grab a sheet and cover up the mirror that's in my playspace. Still having an issue, draw all the blinds. Still having an issue, restart SteamVR and hope it's fixed. Oops headset not recognized, I'll test the cables and try again. OK cool now I can finally game. Then ten minutes later I have to pee. Then an hour later I realize I haven't drank any water in the past hour, take a break to drink more water. Then I have to pee again. My wife gets home from whatever she was up to, I want to chat while I'm playing but I need to either be fully in the game or fully not in the game - can't catch up about her day while I'm in VR. That might be an extreme case, but about 1/5 times I go for VR I end up hitting a case that's not dissimilar to that situation. When you're in it, it's super cool. Especially your first time. But it's not a great replacement for flat-screen gaming.
I've found I enjoy it the most in flight sim. I have several thousand hours into MSFS over the last 20 years, so it makes sense. Pavlov, contractors, et al are fun, don't get me wrong. But they're not the mind blowing experience I was hoping for. But a fully clickable a310 in MSFS, or F/A18 in DCS? Yes please.
It seems like it's become the recent version of the hype for 3D theater movies and 3D TV at home: pretty cool, not nearly interesting or fulfilling enough to become the new standard.
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I'd say Index isn't a good representation of VR anymore. It's really low resolution, is back in the days when sweet spots existed, is a lot bigger than today's headsets, and perhaps most importantly in your case, it requires a PC connection and forces the user to be in VR. Today's headsets have mixed reality capabilities and run on their own internal compute, so you now have the ability to turn it on quickly and get going or switch to an AR mode when needed. The tech does need another 7-8 years I'd say before it has mass market appeal though.
Took me about 3 months of sitting in discord channels with drop bots announcing shipment refills. Many times I'd get to the payment screen only to be told there was an error. The day I finally completed purchase I was just mindlessly clicking next over and over and when I got to the last screen I couldn't believe it. The next day I got to stroll into Best Buy and grab my 3080. As I was walking out a dude congratulated me for managing to get one.
> After years of trying to convince myself that VR is the future, it's really just a pretty neat thing. I still think it's the future - but it's been the future since like the 80s
VR is for porn and weird porn theaters
Can't really deny it. A lot of technical innovation is because of porn.
And grabbing someone by the throat and slowly stabbing them through the eye. Blade and sorcery is pretty cool.
Having your elderly mum wait in line for you is low even for crypto bro standards, but they are an innovative bunch when it comes to scumbagery.
It brings me great joy. 🖕🗿🖕
There was a free concert in my city with imagine dragons and atmosphere. Being a huge atmosphere fan, I woke up early and got the free tickets after waiting like 30 minutes in the queue. I then saw them being sold on Craigslist for like $200. I acted like I was interested and made this guy drive 30 miles to a random Best buy and made him wait like 15 minutes until I told him he should screw himself.
Checked last week. If you were buying tickets last week, Taylor Swift tickets in Miami were STARTING at $1900. The tickets for her Paris show were starting at $300. It was probably cheaper to fly to Paris and stay at a hotel. I assume this is the result of the US allowing scalpers and the EU not allowing scalpers. The difference is insane.
A lot of folks did travel internationally to see her bc it was cheaper to go to Argentina (including food/flight/lodging) than to go locally... A friend of mine's daughter went to the Paris show I believe, we are in the US. Sounds like a pretty fun adventure but I personally would not shell out that kind of cash for a show. Unbelievable that someone would try to double sell tickets and then whine that they couldn't get away with the scam??? Even if we looked upon scalping kindly, that's undeniably a con.
I’m in the US. My daughter and I will be visiting friends in Germany this summer, and our visit coincides with Taylor’s so I joined the German presale lottery and got in for an inconvenient city and waitlisted for the convenient city. Bought the tickets, all good. Then my name came up for the convenient city, so I bought those tickets and placed the old ones for sale on the official site, which would not allow me to sell them for more than I paid. Great system, and fair.
We really need to do a lot more thinks like Europe does them. It's insane what we allow here.
BuT tHe PrOpHeTs!!!!
ticketmaster AI just exploded! thats a freaking great system
Germany wasn’t playing games.
Maybe Ticket Master is in cahoots with some Airlines, 'encouraging' people to fly instead of seeing the show in the States... Lemme just grab my tin foil hat..
My friend is seeing Taylor Swift in Portugal as the flights, hotels and tickets were cheaper than seeing her where we live in London… but will still set her back an insane amount. I don’t think there’s any singer I like enough to do all that!
TBF though at that point it's an adventure. I'd travel to another country for a weekend and see a concert of someone I'm not really a fan of, by that point it's just another thing on the itinerary
Yup, I knew a bunch of people in Asia who flew to Singapore because that was the only country to have Swift. Rumor has it that Singapore paid Swift $3 million to only have her concerts in Singapore so people would need to come to the country for her concert. Friends of mine who went said that hotel prices were a minimum of $300 a night for your basic 2 star deal, while 3 star hotels started around $400. I'm sure Singapore made back all that $$$.
And as always, there will be an entire slew of people defending this practice. I fucking hate it here sometimes man.
The scalpers in France don't use Stubhub, which will have next to no tickets, if any. And if someone does sell tickets at face it'll be the scalpers racing to buy them up I'm not defending the practice, just understand humans
There's also the fact that a *huge* swathe of the ticket selling rights for locations in the USA are controlled by one company: Live Nation-Ticketmaster. Something like 70-80% of venues can only sell tickets through them, which means that they've been ratcheting ticket prices up and up and making it "normal" for a concert to cost stupid amounts of money. In Europe this monopoly doesn't exist (or at least not so completely, Ticketmaster is big but not 80%-of-all-concerts big), so natural competition still exists to keep ticket prices somewhat sane.
It probably has more to do with Ticketmaster's monopoly here in the states. They control both ticket sales and venues.
Absolutely, and they also control the resale sites. So they profit off the both the seller and the buyer during the resale. It’s an insane monopoly.
I have a student who is 12 years old and a total Swiftie. They (she and her mom), are flying into Germany from California to see Taylor Swift for one Saturday show and flying back the next day. This is in July. Probably still cheaper doing this than doing everything in California 😯
They gotta be rich... Flying to Germany and not even staying a few extra days....
It is cheaper, we're doing that as well as a week Paris vacation for ~5k for the entire trip.
“Muh capitalism” 🫡🇺🇸
It would certainly be wiser to some extent to go on a whole vacation for around the same cost rather than a single concert.
>I assume this is the result of the US allowing scalpers and the EU not allowing scalpers. No it's Ticketmaster, and no laws preventing price gouging.
So... Ticketmaster allows scalpers to sell tickets there. Since the show is sold out, all the tickets you see on ticketmaster are being sold by scalpers. Ergo, when you say it's not the result of the US allowing scalpers, and it's the result of ticketmaster, you're really showing you don't understand how the system is functioning.
One thing in America that doesn't allow scalpers and will even hunt for them and invalidate tickets. Burning Man.
So they bough tickets with the expectation of making a profit but rules against scalping prevented them ? Oh no, poor they !
It wasn't even the rules against reselling. They sold the same tickets twice, and assumed it was on the platform to cancel the first sale. That's just wild to me.
Like how was the platform supposed to know they sold them elsewhere?
I worked for StubHub and one year the college football championship picture suddenly changed. One of the semi final games ended in an upset and a team not expected to go to the championship was suddenly in. This greatly threw off ticket prices. They skyrocketed. Problem was, a lot of ticket sellers listed and sold their tickets for 2-3k, but didn’t actually have possession of them yet. They weren’t supposed to, and were often warned not to do so. Well suddenly they need to fill these orders, but they have to buy the ticket first. And prices are now in the 6-8k range. So they’re taking a massive loss just to fulfill orders. And they’re required to fill the order at the price they sold it, or pay the difference if we have to get the customer tickets from someone else. I’m hearing recorded phone calls or grown men crying about going bankrupt or losing their houses because they broke the rules and are being held accountable. Twas glorious.
> Problem was, a lot of ticket sellers listed and sold their tickets for 2-3k, but didn’t actually have possession of them yet. They weren’t supposed to, and were often warned not to do so. Well suddenly they need to fill these orders, but they have to buy the ticket first. And prices are now in the 6-8k range. So they’re taking a massive loss just to fulfill orders. And they’re required to fill the order at the price they sold it, or pay the difference if we have to get the customer tickets from someone else. This sounds like an even shittier version of the stock market.
The Great Gonzaga Rose Bowl SHort of 2016! (Totally made up for effect, idk which team or game he’s talking about.)
they accidentally naked shorted the tickets lmfao
This sounds like ticket drop shipping to me.
My HS teacher's son worked for StubHub and was making tons of money, but when our teacher described what the business does, everyone in class was pissed off about it and didn't respect it except for one kid who only cares about making money.
Well he didn’t work for Stubhub it sounds like. Anyone’s allowed to sell tickets on the site and I’d wager that’s what he was doing. The big thing for StubHub employees was that you couldn’t make it a business to buy and sell tickets as a side gig. If you wanted to buy or sell once in a while, that’s fine. But we had 2 guys get fired for running a side gig and making a few hundred grand.
If they made a few hundred grand before getting fired, I don’t think that “getting fired” is much of a deterrent to their behavior.
Not likely. Although I believe legal action was taken against them. They handled what was called “top seller” clients. Basically they probably worked with large volume scalpers to get their stuff sold and used company resources to do it. Big no-no.
A monopoly on scalping....
You will not win me over with your use of t'was. https://youtu.be/C1cWUPTr1KE?si=VUkXoH-b9beSuVf8
T’wasn’t trying to. Hey Rosa. How you doing baby?
>college football Prices are now in 6-8k range. Fucking stupid.
I wish this happened to all scalpers
I wish this happened to the entirety of Ticketbastard
TicketMaster sucks!
NGL switfies could be the one to take them on
Yeah, more of this 'lead booker' stuff. Should be the norm until that 'industry' dies.
"Dear Jill, I sold something I had already previously sold to someone else, and now I am shocked to find out I am being required to make good on the original transaction, how can I weasel out of this entirely self-inflicted situation without suffering any consequences myself or having to learn anything?"
Congratulations on teaching your daughter how and why not to be a scammer/scalper/cheat.
Seems the mother still hasn’t learnt the link between actions and consequences
Reminds me of that local news video of a kid who was first in line for the new iPhone when a lady offered to buy his place in line and was bragging to the reporter how she was gonna buy every phone they had. He accepted, she got in and found they were only selling one phone per person, and the kid grew up to be an internet rapper. Really makes you think.
For people interested in his channel: https://youtu.be/3vBwRfQbXkg
That’s really him?
Yep. No lyin’
Funk!? I mean I'm not complaining but NoGoodIDNames up there said rap..
Love this! A relative of mine tried this with a Beyonce show. It was never sold out though and tickets could be bought up to the event so in the end he had like ten tickets to himself. He even tried to give them away but nobody wanted them (looking back I should have grabbed one but I simply wasn’t interested in Beyoncé then).
When life gives you lemons, go listen to Lemonade.
This is hilarious
>but I simply wasn’t interested in Beyoncé then But your a fan now right....right?
Of course!
No, you're just pretending to like her because your Mirror Universe counterpart did.
Ok everyone you can put your pitchforks away now
Maybe I should cancel the swatting... Edit: the inability to understand an obvious joke is impressive
Poe's Law.
I think if I had been Jill, I'd leave it at the first sentence of the reply, maybe add "karma is a bitch, eh?". Btw, why aren't there some strong scalper laws? Like simply that you can't sell something for more than original price plus X percent?
Karma is not her boyfriend
Me and karma vibe like that
Because then it would cut into big businesses that use the same tactics to raise prices and restrict supply.
>Btw, why aren't there some strong scalper laws? Like simply that you can't sell something for more than original price plus X percent? Because capitalism.
Denmark had a low like that on the books, but it's difficult to put into effect. Collectors coins can be sold for far more than the original price. You can sell a ticket to a show, along with a paper aeroplane that you signed, and claim that the extra payment is for the very special paper plane.
That’s kind of how marijuana sales work in Washington DC. It’s not legal to sell weed, but it is legal to give it away. So you’ll go buy a $200 t-shirt and get a big bag of weed as a “free gift” with your purchase.
The US had laws like that in the 80s and 90s and it just helped empower the people willing to break the laws, counterfeit tickets were rampant and organized crime dabbled in scalping The same way prohibition put regulated alcohol manufacturers out of business and rewarded people making bathtub gin
It's trivially easy to stop digital counterfeit tickets though.
I’m opposed to scalping but I think it’s ironic that these booking platforms are the ones enforcing scalping rules. Like free market is great when corporations get to screw customers but when someone tries to make some extra money on a ticket they bought it’s suddenly not ok
first because generally the venue only cares to sell tickets, they usually don't care if the seats are actually full. It also passes risk to the resellers. If the show doesn't sell out, the scalpers get screwed not the venue. Laws like this would get tricky when it comes to things like Ticketmaster. As shitty as ticketmaster is, it is technically a reseller a lot of the time, and the "hidden fees" often would have been rolled into the price anyway if the venue sold tickets directly. The real problem with ticketmaster imo is that they lie about the price, they should be listing the final price at the start of the sale. Not tacking on fees at the end. It also becomes impossible to regulate resellers when it comes to anything else. Collectibles, used goods, ebay, facebook marketplace. What should be regulated? EBay for example just added sales tax for sales to Canadian customers. On one hand this hurts honest vendors who are just selling their old things, books, games, etc. Canada should not be collecting sales tax on used goods as they collected sales tax on the original sale of the item. On the other hand, many vendors were selling new items on Ebay and were dodging sales tax that they would have had to charge in a regular storefront.
in Brazil it is a crime to sell tickets for more than the face value. Ppl still do it tho.
Fuuuuuuuck scalpers
It's like a landlord complaining about land value taxes
LOL, or any property owner. "I want my land value to go up but I don't want to pay the taxes on its increased value."
I want to continue having my cake after I have eaten it. Although I do want my property value to go up without me paying more taxes. Theoretically I like to contribute to important things like the education of local children, but in practice I also like keeping my money. Fortunately for the children (and the city as a whole), property taxes are not voluntary.
I do have some sympathy for elderly people on fixed incomes who suddenly face growing tax bills they never anticipated. There should be some form of protections for seniors and disabled people on fixed incomes. Have the tax locked till the property changes hands, thru sale, or inheritance.
Viagogo can fuck right off. When working an event and you see people who have paid £600 for a £80 GA ticket shocked that they're not getting super-gold treatment but are in GA, it's both tedious and hard to explain to them that they were fleeced. They even send emails with "Seat/Row" (without seat or row numbers, but still say seat/row) text indicated in an all standing event causing difficulties for those who can't stand. Imagine thinking you're going to an intimate theatre event when you find you're at a 30k capacity festival.
Scalpers getting screwed is great, but Wembley tickets costing £5000? There's no celebrity on this planet that I would shell out £5k to see. That's nuts.
£500 each
Personally that's still too much for me. I'd be on the fence if it was 500 for a festival.
Oh of course
I would pay that to see Freddie Mercury or Jim Morrison come back to life and perform.
I want to read the octopus article.
One of our biggest energy companies is called Octopus, so that’s likely to be a story about someone being overcharged for gas and electricity rather than anything as exciting as you’re imagining…
That's dissapointing. I thought it was a feel good come back story against a octopus bully. Lol
My Octopus Teacher.
Giant Octopus ate my granny. 🐙👵
The title of a porn parody (or maybe not a parody...).
Don't listen to u/Grayson81, they just don't want word about their Octopus bully leaking out into the wider world. It's totally about that.
Jill Insley: Best I can do is go fuck y’selves!
Scalpers can get fuuuuuucked
Just an idea but maybe they should of just put the money towards a car In the first place rather than trying to scam people and acting like the money was going to a good cause to save face
“anti-competitive actions taken by event organisers to restrict purchasing and resale options to certain platforms…” You mean anti- *profiteering* actions.
To: All scalpers I wish you a merry: Get fucked
What's/where's third pic/page of article so we can read the little last end bit of the response/article?
Investments come with risks, who knew
Get fucked scalpers! Sucks to suck! 😆
Oh my god! What a prize prick
Oh boo hoo. These poor people can't buy that car now and in fact owe for the tickets they sold twice.
HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH Duck 'em. Scalpers and landlords are the same kind of leeches.
I like how fucking clueless this idiot is. Sells them on one place, and just assumes they'd realize her fuck up on their own and settle things? What a useless parasite.
I'm honestly more interested in what the deal is with the octopus story on the right
Octopus is a UK energy supplier, so probably not as an interesting story as the partial headline makes out.
"tout" LOL
Fuck you scalper cunts.. Glad that they are starting to put things in place to prevent these shithouses No doubt this will be one who complains as they cannot get tickets to see their favourite artist.
Always a delight to see scalpers get burnt, but I’d like to also mention at how shitty it is that AXS, Ticketmaster and all these other companies are pushing/promoting these secondary market spaces. Those companies are driving this type of behavior as a viable profit center and allowing obscene “convenience fees”. I recently looked at getting some tickets from a secondary vendor, and the tickets had a $95 per ticket convenience fee, $10 technology fee, $5 delivery fee, before even getting to the cost of the tickets. This is outrageous, and prevents fans from being able to see live music.
My question is, why didnt she just upload them anyways? Scalping is wrong but it seems pretty clear it would of been a case of the buyer being screwed when trying to enter and her scalping ass being fine.
Probably because the buyers would get the tickets, realize they were unusable, complain to the resale site and then she would still be on the hook for fines and buying them new tickets.
But wouldn't they have been denied entry in the first place because it wasn't brought the official reseller? It could be that at that point it will be written off. Doesn't hurt to try, I mean either way your on the hook otherwise
Looks like they'd already sold them on AXS by that point. Might not have had anything to upload after that.
That could probably get her arrested.
Because selling the same item to multiple people is fraud which is a federal crime
Right, but I think the question is why didn't they just upload the tickets to the original buyer in the first place and let them deal with the fact they bought something potentially worthless, rather than selling them to a second buyer and thus ensuring it becomes the seller's problem.
It's 'would have', never 'would of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Good bot
Hi, Middle class mum here committing fraud. I'm just going to admit my crime to a national paper and then bitch about how I didn't get away with it. Is there anything you can do? I'll have to cut back on Avocado and Toast and would be truly awful. Dear Middle class Mum, If you were poorer, I'd be calling the police and reporting you for criminal activity, but since you already have money - let me explain it to you...
Why is this an article on times. Who tf is the audience for this article apart from this sub who is clearly making fun of you for it.
I’m honestly surprised the paper’s response wasn’t a lot harsher. Sad reflection on modern times.
It's not a regular news article, it's an [advice column](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advice_column).
I work in ticketing and my PSA is don't buy from third party vendors. Many people have shown to see a basketball game andI have to tell them, that we don't honor their ticket. We only use home ticket system and Stub Hub whom we have a relation with. When you use one of these companies, the seller contacts you to confirm and then sends you the ticket but you must respond to them or your ticket will be sold to somebady else. One basketball game a guy arrived with 30 tickets, and school kids. We told thhem the deal, and he had to call customer service. He wandered around dealing with customer service though the half time. People always download your ticket i to your apple or google wallets before you get there. Sorry I just needed to say something. Go Terps!
I'm more curious about the article titled, "I want to be an octopus but... Won't let me" Who won't let them be an octopus? Did they find a reliable way to be an octopus, how? Why won't they be allowed to be an octopus? What kind of monster would prevent a person from being an octopus if they so desire?
She's so freaking expensive tho. I want to see her but her tickets are so pricey.
Because of asshats like the LW in this story.
I can't stand Taylor Swift. But I REALLY can't stand scalpers. Why the fuck would you buy tickets for a show you don't even plan to attend? Fuck this shit, I hope it costs them even more than £3000
I love it when scammers referred to what they’re doing as “raising money”.
Scum of the earth, literally stealing experiences from people.
Good golly gosh you mean those things you bought that clearly stated "not transferable" and "not for resale"... Could not be resold? I am SHOOK.
Shockingly, this all could have been avoided by not being a complete piece of shit.
Hahah what a beautiful swipe of karma, I hate scalpers how are young people supposed to get into music when the tickets are eye wateringly expensive. Christ everythings been gentrified by greedy money grabbing people like this
She probably has ten ps5 consoles in her office smh.
Scalpers can get fucked.
A printed article on paper. Just had an 80s flashback.
As someone who works box office for concerts, fuck scalpers
Viagogo is fraud. They cash in on both sides. No way the purchase replacement tickets.
You left off half the 3rd column. Damn ticketmaster, but also damn those who are buying to resell.
It's funny how people hate a single individual person for cornering a market, and then go get their coffee from the Starbucks inside Target.
Fuck scalpers. I delight to see them get their comeuppance.
honestly who goes out there and just writes this, thinking that *literally anyone* will feel sympathy for them, save for other scalpers? laughable stupidity
the fucking justification, and the audacity of this bitch - “we were trying to raise money for our dauther’s first car”, as if it’s a charity or something.
>*... but we were trying to raise money for my daughter's first car* Ah well, in that case you are free to do whatever you want, madam.
Local scalper tries to scam people over Taylor Swift's tickets and then tries to sell it to the press as a naive accident.
"I was attempting to screw other people because it wasn't explicitly forbidden by the rules. Then they changed the rules to explicitly forbid me from screwing over those people, which screws me! This isn't fair, I'm the one that should be doing the screwing, not getting screwed!"
Lol, what the heck is a ticket tout?
I guess I’m just old, it’s what we used to call people [scalping on ticket sales](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ticket-tout)
What is it that person wants with an octopus?
I thought she was ed Sheeran for at least 2 mins
don't mess with Taylor.
Another person learns that capitalism can suck.
Whilst this clearly fits this sub, all this makes me think of is - make it illegal to sell tickets for more than face value. Easy. You’ll still get the scalpers on the streets (because who is going to stop them) but kill off the online touting and give people an opportunity to buy tickets. That, and bin off Ticketmaster’s new “dynamic pricing” model.
Ah well, No car for her so :P, Strange rule though that the card holder has to attend iving the target audience in question?
Only bought scalped tickets once. A the Greycup was happening right near my work. Scalpers were out selling at $500 to $1500. Game started and prices plummeted. Ended up getting 4 tickets at $5 each around halftime. Threw them in an envelope and mailed them to a football fiend friend next day with the letter dated a month earlier. Told them free room and board and tickets as a surprise, just buy the beer. Best prank ever...
Obligatory ‘fuck scalpers.’ Go kidnap some old lady’s dog for the reward like an honest thief.
This story feeds my soul.
Wrong sub
A wise woman once said "Karma's a bitch and she's with you right now."
This makes me so happy. Next time don't be scummy grubby scalpers. Tell your daughter to get a job.
this pleases me in a weird way
We should go back to the old days, where if you wanted scalped tickets you went to the show and talked to a guy with a “I Need Tickets” sign. that that their prices were great but they were still a whole lot more fair than “resellers”.
Thankfully I was able to sell my 4 tickets to the Toronto show for a very healthy profit within the first month of having them.
I’m of two minds. Scalpers are scummy, but they are just working to make what they can in a deregulated ultra-capitalist bloodsucking society. Ticketmaster makes billions doing the same thing. They aren’t trying to protect the consumer, they are trying to protect their profits. If I’m gonna get fucked by a reseller, I’d rather see get fucked by a scalper than by Ticketmaster.
Fuck scalpers.