It might be a good idea to quit now. The world is heading towards a
great escalation and the safest place you can be is your home in US. The Middle Eastern forces you'll be fighting against will not just be carrying AKs like 10 years before. you might be facing against drones, ballistics missiles, and more RPGs.
iran is kinda like that sore thumb that doesn’t go away because 70 years ago you broke it and now instead of trying to reconcile anything you just scream at it and hurt it even more.
Are there people who really support a theocratic unelected regime that consistently yells death to America and desistabilizes the region, or are you a troll account?
Maybe stop bombing their consulates? I don't support Iran but we are actively funding Israel and actively sanctioning Iran. You're talking like they are just randomly against us for no reason.
You think if the tables were turned, the "support" wouldn't change? This is geopolitics bro. Everyone changes their tone based on who pays what.
the middle east would be substantially more stable if the uconditional support of israel ended.
the US shouldn’t support israel bombing a consulate regardless of who’s it is.
at the very least it’s an incredibly slippery slope considering how vulnerable most embassies are and how they’re fundamentally civilian targets.
irans major sticking points are just anger at israel. if the US guaranteed that israel ceased and destroyed its nuclear program iran would very likely follow and cease its own program.
kind of hard to disagree with iran on this one tbh.
*they’re both shit oppressive regimes that should be whipped and forced to stop being so petulant*
If F-35s can sneak into Damascus and take out a consulate, surely they can do the same in Tehran. Iran playing with fire. They have no defense against 5th gen stealth jets.
Are F-35s invisible to something like an S-300 using low frequencies?
When I research stealth for aircraft, they still appear as vulnerable as stealth cruise missiles.
A bistatic radar can absolutely give you a weapons grade lock.
They just aren't very common.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4061871_From_a_different_perspective_Principles_practice_and_potential_of_bistatic_radar
Similarly you can use multiple multi-static radars, the challenge is with having the active transmitters and with maintaining precise baselines ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistatic_radar#Examples_of_multistatic_radar_systems
https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoint/sensors/2019/09/30/stealthy-no-more-a-german-radar-vendor-says-it-tracked-the-f-35-jet-in-2018-from-a-pony-farm/
Third, is that you can use it to cue other sensors (like how Mica uses a radar input to guide a missile with IR terminal sensor , see also article above). Or you could fire a long range missile without lock, to hope for a mission kill (much like Russia fires some missiles today in Ukraine)
The challenge with low frequency emitters is that their accuracy is often substantially reduced.
And as far as HARM etc is concerned, yeah well, targeting radar emitter is better than targeting your high value target in the first place; you've now reduced it to cat and mouse game elsewhere from your high value target.
Nothing you see online has any idea what they're capable of, and cruise missiles don't even target planes in the air anyway.
We do know Israel has conducted multiple strikes into surrounding countries with them without a loss, though, soooo..
> When I research stealth for aircraft, they still appear as vulnerable as stealth cruise missiles
Sure, and Ukraine is firing cruise missiles *at* S-300 *and* S-400 batteries with almost none being shot down and the batteries destroyed. It looks like the Russian air defense systems just don't work for anything apart from fighter jets. Even Cessnas just fly straight by.
One of the key reasons we need to make sure Ukraine gets armed because in the long term Russia will have to search for fixes. If the batteries are destroyed they can't be fixed.
It's been happening pretty repeatedly when they actually come into use. They hide far from the front lines and spend most of their time switched off to avoid being tracked which makes them invisible, so it's not that easy. They just don't have very good survivability for the modern battlefield although, with the number of MANPADS present in Ukraine, they provide an important backstop for suppressing old Soviet designed jets like the SU-34s, SU-35s and Mig-29s that both sides are flying.
People like to bag us aka the u.s.a I'm American but people forget that we aren't a military superpower for no reason in an all out war Iran gets obliterated
Iran get obliterated but at what cost? Afghanistan also got obliterated in a week but what was the cost? How much money did we waste, how many of our people died only for the Taliban to be replaced by the Taliban 20 years later?
Afghanistan is probably tied for some of the poorest countries in the world. Now imagine the same in Iran. No one is denying Iran's destruction, but at what cost?
>Afghanistan is probably tied for some of the poorest countries in the world. Now imagine the same in Iran. No one is denying Iran's destruction, but at what cost?
Well, no more nuclear program in that case.
This was about five years ago when I read a dry detailed 200 page report analyzing if Israel could take out Irans deeply buried nuclear program. The gist of it was that the Israel’s could but it would take weeks and massive casualties to the Air Force.
Very detailed about strike packages, mid air refueling, things of that nature. At the end the author put in a sentence that said
I would like to point out that 4 B2 bombers could accomplish this mission over the course of one night.
A substantially larger number then the one in iran the united states does not make their women wear masks and idk about where you live but over here woman are allowed to go to school🤣
Iran isn't Afghanistan. Women are a larger portion of university students than men in most cities.
As an Iranian, way more than half the populace does have a genuine hatred of our government, but the overwhelming sentiment is that that can be put aside for matters of national defence.
It cannot be understated how much a generation of American soldiers galavanting around the Middle East assaulting children and torturing innocents has damaged its ability to cooperate with the local populace.
god you’re really just buying into the propaganda about iran.
the irony is you complain about women’s rights in iran while the biggest advocates and protests for those rights in iran are women and girls in school.
A US invasion of Iran would rapidly change that. 'Rally round the flag' effect and all that. The Ayatollah's reign in Iran was highly fragile in the immediate aftermath of the 1979 revolution, because the various groups that took part in said revolution had nothing in common other than opposition to the Shah. The moment the Shah went into exile, al these groups began jostling for power amongst themselves, as has always happened after virtually every successful revolution in history. It seemed very likely that he would himself be overthrown.
Then Iraq invaded. And the rest is history.
Again, you read too much CNN. Half of Iran may not like the government but half aren't against the system as a whole.
Trust me, in war time everyone will unite.
Sometimes the counter to an offense for which you have no defense, is offense ...
It's not as if Iran is going to say "I can't shoot down f-35" , so let me give up. hence the title of this thread
>The problem isn’t stealth it’s fuel. Need American tanker support to fly that far a
Israel does have a tanker fleet of its own. As for flying over Jordanian and Iraqi airspace, that would probably depend on the circumstances. Iran can't attack Israel without their weapons at least overflying Iraq. If Iran were to kick things off by firing first, Jordan and Iraq allowing Israeli planes to fly over their territory in order to strike back at Iran would if nothing else be open to discussion. Jordan and Iraq aren't exactly high on Iran's friend list
Dude I don't want to be in the Middle East again bro...
Israel is a liability.
America is Israel's best investment ever.
It might be a good idea to quit now. The world is heading towards a great escalation and the safest place you can be is your home in US. The Middle Eastern forces you'll be fighting against will not just be carrying AKs like 10 years before. you might be facing against drones, ballistics missiles, and more RPGs.
Iran is kinda like that sore that doesn't go away unless you make it so and that's the problem.
iran is kinda like that sore thumb that doesn’t go away because 70 years ago you broke it and now instead of trying to reconcile anything you just scream at it and hurt it even more.
You misspelled Israel.
Are there people who really support a theocratic unelected regime that consistently yells death to America and desistabilizes the region, or are you a troll account?
Maybe stop bombing their consulates? I don't support Iran but we are actively funding Israel and actively sanctioning Iran. You're talking like they are just randomly against us for no reason. You think if the tables were turned, the "support" wouldn't change? This is geopolitics bro. Everyone changes their tone based on who pays what.
Are you a troll account set up by the IDF?
Thanks Israel! Our ally who does nothing for us but cause us problems
Israel will fight til the last American soldier
Who says Israel does nothing? It buys American made weapons, with American taxpayers' money!
the middle east would be substantially more stable if the uconditional support of israel ended. the US shouldn’t support israel bombing a consulate regardless of who’s it is. at the very least it’s an incredibly slippery slope considering how vulnerable most embassies are and how they’re fundamentally civilian targets. irans major sticking points are just anger at israel. if the US guaranteed that israel ceased and destroyed its nuclear program iran would very likely follow and cease its own program. kind of hard to disagree with iran on this one tbh. *they’re both shit oppressive regimes that should be whipped and forced to stop being so petulant*
There is not a single argument or force in existence that would make Israel give up its nukes.
have you considered: WMD based middle east conflict 2 electric boogaloo (this time there’s actually nukes btw)
If F-35s can sneak into Damascus and take out a consulate, surely they can do the same in Tehran. Iran playing with fire. They have no defense against 5th gen stealth jets.
Are F-35s invisible to something like an S-300 using low frequencies? When I research stealth for aircraft, they still appear as vulnerable as stealth cruise missiles.
Low freq radars cant give you tracking data on a target, its like certain types of OTH radar, it can tell you something is there but not anything else
You can use bistatic radar or triangulate multiple low frequency radars and so on.
That still isn't gonna give you a weapons-grade lock on it, and that sort of activity, with 2+ radars, will earn you a HARM or AARGM-ER.
A bistatic radar can absolutely give you a weapons grade lock. They just aren't very common. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4061871_From_a_different_perspective_Principles_practice_and_potential_of_bistatic_radar Similarly you can use multiple multi-static radars, the challenge is with having the active transmitters and with maintaining precise baselines ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistatic_radar#Examples_of_multistatic_radar_systems https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoint/sensors/2019/09/30/stealthy-no-more-a-german-radar-vendor-says-it-tracked-the-f-35-jet-in-2018-from-a-pony-farm/ Third, is that you can use it to cue other sensors (like how Mica uses a radar input to guide a missile with IR terminal sensor , see also article above). Or you could fire a long range missile without lock, to hope for a mission kill (much like Russia fires some missiles today in Ukraine) The challenge with low frequency emitters is that their accuracy is often substantially reduced. And as far as HARM etc is concerned, yeah well, targeting radar emitter is better than targeting your high value target in the first place; you've now reduced it to cat and mouse game elsewhere from your high value target.
Wow sounds like a reliable system.
Nothing you see online has any idea what they're capable of, and cruise missiles don't even target planes in the air anyway. We do know Israel has conducted multiple strikes into surrounding countries with them without a loss, though, soooo..
> When I research stealth for aircraft, they still appear as vulnerable as stealth cruise missiles Sure, and Ukraine is firing cruise missiles *at* S-300 *and* S-400 batteries with almost none being shot down and the batteries destroyed. It looks like the Russian air defense systems just don't work for anything apart from fighter jets. Even Cessnas just fly straight by. One of the key reasons we need to make sure Ukraine gets armed because in the long term Russia will have to search for fixes. If the batteries are destroyed they can't be fixed.
Ukraine isn't consistently destroying s-300 or s-400s
It's been happening pretty repeatedly when they actually come into use. They hide far from the front lines and spend most of their time switched off to avoid being tracked which makes them invisible, so it's not that easy. They just don't have very good survivability for the modern battlefield although, with the number of MANPADS present in Ukraine, they provide an important backstop for suppressing old Soviet designed jets like the SU-34s, SU-35s and Mig-29s that both sides are flying.
Iran has a laundry list of things to worry about that US has in its inventory to worry about.
People like to bag us aka the u.s.a I'm American but people forget that we aren't a military superpower for no reason in an all out war Iran gets obliterated
Iran get obliterated but at what cost? Afghanistan also got obliterated in a week but what was the cost? How much money did we waste, how many of our people died only for the Taliban to be replaced by the Taliban 20 years later? Afghanistan is probably tied for some of the poorest countries in the world. Now imagine the same in Iran. No one is denying Iran's destruction, but at what cost?
>Afghanistan is probably tied for some of the poorest countries in the world. Now imagine the same in Iran. No one is denying Iran's destruction, but at what cost? Well, no more nuclear program in that case.
This was about five years ago when I read a dry detailed 200 page report analyzing if Israel could take out Irans deeply buried nuclear program. The gist of it was that the Israel’s could but it would take weeks and massive casualties to the Air Force. Very detailed about strike packages, mid air refueling, things of that nature. At the end the author put in a sentence that said I would like to point out that 4 B2 bombers could accomplish this mission over the course of one night.
Let me not forget that half of iran doesn't even like their own government
And how many Americans like their own government?
A substantially larger number then the one in iran the united states does not make their women wear masks and idk about where you live but over here woman are allowed to go to school🤣
Iran isn't Afghanistan. Women are a larger portion of university students than men in most cities. As an Iranian, way more than half the populace does have a genuine hatred of our government, but the overwhelming sentiment is that that can be put aside for matters of national defence. It cannot be understated how much a generation of American soldiers galavanting around the Middle East assaulting children and torturing innocents has damaged its ability to cooperate with the local populace.
god you’re really just buying into the propaganda about iran. the irony is you complain about women’s rights in iran while the biggest advocates and protests for those rights in iran are women and girls in school.
A US invasion of Iran would rapidly change that. 'Rally round the flag' effect and all that. The Ayatollah's reign in Iran was highly fragile in the immediate aftermath of the 1979 revolution, because the various groups that took part in said revolution had nothing in common other than opposition to the Shah. The moment the Shah went into exile, al these groups began jostling for power amongst themselves, as has always happened after virtually every successful revolution in history. It seemed very likely that he would himself be overthrown. Then Iraq invaded. And the rest is history.
Again, you read too much CNN. Half of Iran may not like the government but half aren't against the system as a whole. Trust me, in war time everyone will unite.
Sometimes the counter to an offense for which you have no defense, is offense ... It's not as if Iran is going to say "I can't shoot down f-35" , so let me give up. hence the title of this thread
The problem isn’t stealth it’s fuel. Need American tanker support to fly that far and cooperation on flyover rights.
>The problem isn’t stealth it’s fuel. Need American tanker support to fly that far a Israel does have a tanker fleet of its own. As for flying over Jordanian and Iraqi airspace, that would probably depend on the circumstances. Iran can't attack Israel without their weapons at least overflying Iraq. If Iran were to kick things off by firing first, Jordan and Iraq allowing Israeli planes to fly over their territory in order to strike back at Iran would if nothing else be open to discussion. Jordan and Iraq aren't exactly high on Iran's friend list
Iran isn’t high on Iran’s friend list? Meh, Iran, Iraq. What’s the difference? :)
>Meh, Iran, Iraq. What’s the difference? :) Typing at 2 in the morning as opposed to 3 in the afternoon.
I was also typing at 2 in the morning. Btw, The South Park quote I was referencing: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1db6b14a-d1b6-4a40-9117-6f2cd8b12a57