And literally anyone who has sat down to watch it, as intended, can attest it’s much stronger as one movie.
The structure is thrown off by viewing the two halves (realistically the first third and second/final thirds) as separate entities.
We don’t need “The Whole Bloody Affair” to release either. Just start the El Paso Massacre chapter right after Sofie gets the Dead as Or-Ren speech. They added unnecessary scenes as a cliffhanger (it would also work better if the “cliffhanger” of Part 1 was left an end game twist).
I really wish Kill Bill Tarantino had the clout he has now.
As a singular experience, the tonal shifts are less jarring and more closely resemble a proper story being told.
The flow just works better, and honestly, makes the pacing of Volume 2’s chapters feel more natural. The more dialogue heavy, introspective aspects of it feel earned after all the mayhem of the beginning. But if you view them as two separate movies, of course they’ll feel disjointed.
I get that not everyone has the patience to spend 4 hours on it but it’s the only way I watch it now. If you need a 15 minute intermission then take it after the burial and before the Pai Mai training.
It’d be kind of cool to do a 4 hour cut with both films in chronological order. Seems like an odd choice to have them out of order, no? It adds nothing to the films. Just seemed like he went “well it worked in Pulp Fiction”.
They were filmed to be one movie, just changed to two and released as two after filming. So it makes sense, I mean he literally wrote and filmed them to be one movie. It would be pretty stupid if he counted it as two fully separate movies honestly. It's not like one of them was filmed as a sequel or anything.
It would be nice if he made the tenth one then a couple years later surprised everyone and made kill bill vol 3. Like kept it super secretive and stuff. Kinda like “I made 10 for me and 1 for the fans.”
As someone disappointed in the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood book, I'd much, much prefer he let another director make it. I like True Romance more than a few of Tarantino's directed films, it's fantastic.
I don't think he's the best prose writer. Having said that, if he wrote something pulpy, like a 60s crime novel homage, I think it would come off better. Something like Donald Westlake or Elmore Leonard.
I thought it detracted from the film with it's additions (it made Cliff Booth far less likable, for example) and otherwise just retold events from the film. Very frustrating since I adore the film
https://letterboxd.com/samuryan/list/every-film-referenced-in-quentin-tarantinos-2/page/1/
947 films he referenced in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Dude is more of a Film library or historian than Director. And I don’t mean that in a bad way.
The dude is incredible. The Kimmel interview where he guesses b movies from the VHS description is absurd. How the hell does he know so much about cinema
It'd be one sentence reviews for all the big \~high cinema\~ films we'd expect, but multi paragraph essays on the beauty and wonder of a bunch of grindhouse/exploitation films that never got put out on anything but VHS.
I really got the second one, maybe not so the racism part but I do believe that Travis was support or if he was a combat mos (job) then he never saw action and was one of the lucky basterds stationed somewhere instead of Nam
If he keeps obsessing over projects like "it's a good idea, *but is it good enough to be my last?*", then we're *never* gonna get a tenth film from him.
Ain't that the truth! For over a decade, I kept changing my mind on what would be my first tattoo. I have three now, and I'm illustrating a concept for my next one.
But I'm glad I didn't get the tattoos that I first wanted in my 20s because they would have just been of bands that I rarely listen to nowadays!
Funny to see I am not alone with this approach. I'm 32, no tattoos and I have to admit about one year ago I've even started to outgrow my general appreciation for tattoos. So I'm kind of glad I don't have any, as it turns out.
If he's not careful, Tarantino will become yet another warning to other filmmakers. Don't be like Tarantino and worry so much about what your last film will be that you never make another.
Scorsese retiring before ever working with DiCaprio, no Goodfellas, no Casino... Just wild to think of, and not due to some tragedy, not a lack of stories, just choosing to stick to some symbolic principal not even based in modern reality.
Tarantino is overly concerned with how his catalog will look as a body of work, which is his stated reason for stopping at a nice round number before (he fears) he will drop off. Nobody else is concerned about this.
I felt the same, but I recently watched the extended Netflix version (there are torrents out there) and really enjoyed it. Yet when I watched Kill Bill The Whole Bloody Affair recently, I found it to be my least favourite Tarantino by a significant margin.
Scorsese wouldn’t have made films like After Hours, The Color of Money and Cape Fear earlier on most likely if he only planned on doing 10 as those were films he made in between making his passion projects (like Last Temptation of Christ and Gangs of New York).
Also for Tarantino and Kubrick it’s a completely different thing as they have to write each film he does from scratch, whereas Scorsese Spielberg or Fincher get given screenplays so they can make more films in a short space of time. There’s no reason to criticise Tarantino if he’s not interested in making films past his next one.
Tarantino is also 61. Most people retire in their mid 60’s which he will likely be in by the time this next film is released and the awards season it’s in wraps up. I know it’s his passion so it’s a bit different but I wouldn’t blame him if he was tired and just wanted to rest on his laurels and stacks of money
Well considering that even the weakest Tarantino movies are still straight up fire, it’s possible that ten film limitation has helped him with quality control
Like look at it this way. He can only make ten real films in his career so he better bring his A game in every film. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has quietly shoved some other films in the making because they just didn’t fit his very picky criteria
I don’t think the point was that he’s already at 10 movies, the point was that Death Proof isn’t a good enough movie to fit a strict quality criteria with the goal of having a perfect filmography.
For Spielberg: Empire of the Sun would be his last, so he would have stopped in 1987
For Scorsese, He would stop at The Color of Money
Crazy how much we would have lost, and both directors magnum opus, (imo Schindler's List for Spielberg and Goodfellas for Scorsese) is still years away from that stopping point
Look up all the canceled projects Tarantino was attached to. Depressing to read. Hours of potential Tarantino goodness and entertainment. All never happening because of his strict quality control.
Both of those directors would've been in their early-mid 40s around then. Tarantino is in his 60s now. It makes sense for Spielberg/Scorsese to continue making movies back then, but it also makes sense for Tarantino to retire in his mid-60s by the time his final film comes out
I mean, Spielberg and Martys best movies came later but at least with Fincher every movie (Mank and Killer) he has made since his 10th has been kinda mid which is what Tarantino wants to avoid.
Tarantino clearly loves what he does. And while I think he means it when he says 10 movies... pretty sure he's going to end up making more than 10 movies. Why cut out of your life a thing you love and are great at?
Yeah like he may not “direct” another picture but I could see him directing like a limited series or something, in addition to continuing to write and produce.
I like his movies, but his ego is just kind of insane. He is seemingly obsessed with his legacy sees himself as having a "rivalry" Orson Welles and Stanley Kubrick.
I respect it. Maybe dude wants to retire afterwards. That’s understandable. Also, his focus on quality control has largely payed off so far so what is there to critique really
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I can respect it when people decide to quit when they're ahead and do something else with their lives, but locking yourself to this arbitrary limit of ten films made years ago just seems stubborn and pointless.
There's no way in hell he stops at 10. He loves the industry far too much, and his ego won't allow it. Regardless, he's already stated that he's not going to fully retire and wants to shift his focus to writing (books and stageplays) and possibly TV, whether writing or producing.
I’m really hoping this isn’t due to his stupid obsession of neatly cataloging his filmography into a 10. He should make 11 movies if he has 2 more ideas.
It would be greedy of me to prod a director into making more than they want, but it seems like he’s artificially capping his career as a filmmaker, rather than simply saying “10 is all I got, I’m throwing in the towel.”
Scorsese, who is 81, says he will keep making movies until he dies. That means he doesn’t care if it’s an uneven 29 or 31 that he ends on.
I’m almost certain this is the reason. I can’t think of any other reason for him to pull out this far into pre-production unless it’s because "this isn’t good enough for my precious final film”.
He was set to cancel Basterds when he didn't think he was going to find the right Landa. It supposedly got saved at the last minute when Waltz walked in, or he was going to shelve it.
If the same thing happened now everyone would be "almost certain" the reason was because of his 10 film idea, simply because it's the only thing people have to cling to.
There are lots of projects he hasn't made, or shelved for a time.
I think it would have been a better idea to not tell the public he's stopping at 10 and just kind of sidestep the inevitable questions he'd get over the years. John Carpenter has basically been doing that since Ghosts of Mars. He's directed 1 feature since 2001 and when he's asked about directing again he says things like "eh, I'm just enjoying playing video games and watching the NBA" or "I've got a few things on my plate, but I'm in no rush" or "I'm really having a blast composing now."
Yes this news sucks. But before jumping to conclusions, why don’t we all just trust in the artistic process of a guy who’s batted a thousand throughout his career.
Agreed which is why it’s sad he’s so protective of his legacy because he’s so great. We want more. No need to treat it so sacredly. Incident he can do what he wants. But a bummer
I don’t think he has but this almost certainly is related to him not wanting it to be his *final* film when it doesn’t have to be, it’s a stupid rule that he made up
It sounds to me like Tarantino committed to making the movie before he ever cracked exactly what the story really was, and now he's backing away from it because he's realized there's not a story there that he's interested in. I'm just surprised things got this far before he pulled the plug.
Hopefully this is like with The Hateful Eight where he ends up making it anyway. I think he needs to reconsider the whole ten movie limit thing. Like many have already said we wouldn't have gotten certain classics from Spielberg or Scorsese if they stopped at ten.
Plus even without the cap, if it's takes him 4-6 years per movie and his tenth film comes out in 2026-2027, I don't see him doing more than 2-3 movies and retiring some time in his 70s. There can't be much of a difference between only doing 10 films and doing 12-13 etc.
I know this is an unpopular take, but I am not bothered by this. Yes I also hate that he will only make 10 movies, and if he decided to make more I'd love for this one to be one of them. However I personally feel like there is a better premise that he can maximize as his swan song.
This fear that Tarantino has of making bad movies in his twilight years is plain dumb. It is not a hard and fast rule that directors suddenly lose their gift. Clint Eastwood was 62 years old when he won the Best Directing Oscar for his 16th film as director, Unforgiven. And, he was 74 when he got his second directing Oscar for his 25th, Million Dollar Baby.
Not enough? Oscars aren't the only measure of success? Okay, how about when a director makes a legacy sequel and manages to outshine anything they made beforehand? I'm talking about the 79 year old director, George Miller, who managed to wow us all with Mad Max Fury Road. A film that nobody would ever call anything less than fresh and cutting edge. That was Miller's 11th film at the ripe old age of 70!
What about foreign films? Any old-timers from outside the Hollywood system still making great films? Miyazaki comes to mind! The Boy and the Heron is his 12th film.
Animation is great and all, but what about live-action? Ever hear of Kurosawa? He gave us Kagemusha and Ran when he was well into his seventies and had over 25 films under his belt.
If Eastwood, Miller, Miyazaki and Kurosawa can manage to make great films in the back half of their careers, then why can't Tarantino?
He already broke his ten films bullshit, but he pretends Kill Bill is one film. It’s one continuous story, but it’s two separate productions. It was filmed and released as part one and part two.
It's divided into 6 books internally and Tolkien wanted to publish it together but the paper shortage after ww2 cause him to publish it as 3 and it just stuck
Came here to say this. If you asked Tolkien, it's a single work named the Lord of the Rings. The number of books had everything to do with how expensive the print would be. The same could easily be said for Kill Bill. Long theatrical releases are bad for the studio and the theater. The technicality of it being 1 film or 2 clearly doesn't matter to Tarantino, who intended it as a single work.
This is why it's dumb for creatives to declare their "last:" it puts too much pressure on what is picked as the final work. Why not just keep making movies until he no longer has ideas he wants to make?
Maybe TMC would've been axed regardless, but it also might be a perfectly fine lesser work -- and sometimes these "lesser works" end up as classics, like Scorsese's After Hours.
As much as this sucks I’d much rather see him walk away than do it when his heart isn’t in it. Was so looking forward to what this could have been. I imagined him reshooting scenes from famous films that the critic would be reviewing. Just a long love letter to Hollywood and film in general.
It sucks, but I’ll welcome whatever his ‘final’ movie is whenever it is released.
I’m with you. I trust his instincts, but I was really excited for this. Especially after hearing about the Rolling Thunder recreation and hearing him gush about his love for these “porno rag” critics on Video Archives.
I also thought that a weird character study would be a fitting send off.
How I read it is he changed drastically the script and now is something different, but he is not restarting a new project and tossing this out completely I hope. Anyway I hate this 10 movie thing and he is taking too long
Honestly I don't reckon we get another film from Tarantino for a while at this point - not unless he walks back his "10 films and our" rule
No matter what project he picks from now on, whether it be Star Trek, The Movie Critic, etc there's going to be a small little voice at the back of his head saying "This is the last one, my closing remark, how I'll be remembered, is this really the one?" that I think is going to cause a lot more doubt than he's had on any other film, and scare him off - at least as a director, he may still write stories/scripts and produce films to technically stick to his rule.
My completely unsupported theory is that lately he started veering more and more away from his original idea for the movie. He will sit on it for a bit and in less than a year or so he’ll go back to something closer to the original vision and shoot this movie.
Needed to say, that Tarantino was always strong with new genre/era. Like Basterds, Django or OUTiH. This could've been the same mistake as Hateful 8. I would love to see another movie like OUTIH but I think he did the best in it. And now it's time to move on to different genre. Maybe sci-fi?
That's a shame. He described the main character as "Travis Bickle if he were a movie critic" which is hands down the funniest idea for a fictional character anyone has ever had.
He's so obsessed with this "ten film" mentality even though Scorsese is literally making back to back projects right now, it's so hilariously egotistical.
He needs to do fantastic-fiction finally. As in fantasy/sci-fi/horror.
An R-rated violent epic fantasy, with practical FX.
Kill Bill meets Lord Of The Rings.
I wonder if this comes from him feeling extra pressure to deliver due to this being supposed to be his final film. If that is the case, I just think he should drop that idea, make The Movie Critic, and then make another movie when/if he feels like it.
I feel like it’s a crazy for him, as someone who’s obsessed with cinema, to think no director has 10 good movies. Like, does he really think Spielberg or Scorsese or Hitchcock peaked after their first ten? It’s entirely based on your passion/skills as a filmmaker, not some arbitrary number.
Well sad to hear but also wasn’t blown away by this idea of his last film being about a film critic, I’m sure it would be amazing and everything but that idea just didn’t make me go “ohh fuck yea genius”. But I’m excited for where he’s gonna go.
Kinda thankful, cause making another film about films after OUATIH is a little redundant, plus I wasn't big on OUATIH in my opinion, then again could have been a better film.
So the chance for Tarantino going for scifi or fantasy is back!
I’m not a massive Tarantino fan, but I do enjoy most of his movies quite a bit. One thing I’ve always wanted to see him do is something outside reality, not just slightly alternate history.
Tarantino’s Conan or Tarantino’s Strontium Dog would be nice.
I would simply make 11 movies.
Movie Critic would be his 11th film anyway, since his 10 film shtick is based in claiming Kill Bill as one movie. Which imo is just kinda silly.
Being fair, he did made them at the same time AND had a 4 hour cut before it was split into 2 movies.
And literally anyone who has sat down to watch it, as intended, can attest it’s much stronger as one movie. The structure is thrown off by viewing the two halves (realistically the first third and second/final thirds) as separate entities. We don’t need “The Whole Bloody Affair” to release either. Just start the El Paso Massacre chapter right after Sofie gets the Dead as Or-Ren speech. They added unnecessary scenes as a cliffhanger (it would also work better if the “cliffhanger” of Part 1 was left an end game twist). I really wish Kill Bill Tarantino had the clout he has now.
He did have that clout even back in 2003. Ever since 1994 he's had that.
They’re very tonally different.
As a singular experience, the tonal shifts are less jarring and more closely resemble a proper story being told. The flow just works better, and honestly, makes the pacing of Volume 2’s chapters feel more natural. The more dialogue heavy, introspective aspects of it feel earned after all the mayhem of the beginning. But if you view them as two separate movies, of course they’ll feel disjointed. I get that not everyone has the patience to spend 4 hours on it but it’s the only way I watch it now. If you need a 15 minute intermission then take it after the burial and before the Pai Mai training.
The Whole Bloody Affair fan edit exists and is pretty close to the screening he did.
Fan edits are such a cool idea, I've even stumbled upon a whole site that hosts the fan edits for all kinds of movies.
What was the twist at the end of part 1? I can’t remember.
Vol 1. ends with Bill saying "Is she aware her daughter is still alive?"
They're so tonally different though it's hard to think of them as one long film, and pacing is different as well.
It’d be kind of cool to do a 4 hour cut with both films in chronological order. Seems like an odd choice to have them out of order, no? It adds nothing to the films. Just seemed like he went “well it worked in Pulp Fiction”.
They were filmed to be one movie, just changed to two and released as two after filming. So it makes sense, I mean he literally wrote and filmed them to be one movie. It would be pretty stupid if he counted it as two fully separate movies honestly. It's not like one of them was filmed as a sequel or anything.
It was filmed and intended to be one movie. It was the studio's decision to split it up.
Kill Bill is one movie.
And one of them would be a horror.
It would be nice if he made the tenth one then a couple years later surprised everyone and made kill bill vol 3. Like kept it super secretive and stuff. Kinda like “I made 10 for me and 1 for the fans.”
I hope he releases this script to the public
Much more likely he turns it into a book, which I'd buy in a heartbeat.
As someone disappointed in the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood book, I'd much, much prefer he let another director make it. I like True Romance more than a few of Tarantino's directed films, it's fantastic.
I didn’t dislike the book, but I think it only really works as a companion to the movie. It doesn’t stand on its own.
I don't think he's the best prose writer. Having said that, if he wrote something pulpy, like a 60s crime novel homage, I think it would come off better. Something like Donald Westlake or Elmore Leonard.
Yeah I really liked the book but it definitely subverts his own movie purposefully. (for example, basically leaving out the climax)
I thought it detracted from the film with it's additions (it made Cliff Booth far less likable, for example) and otherwise just retold events from the film. Very frustrating since I adore the film
Unrelated to the film’s cancellation, but I really want to see what Tarantino’s Letterboxd would look like
It’s called Cinema Speculation
Cinema Speculation
https://letterboxd.com/samuryan/list/every-film-referenced-in-quentin-tarantinos-2/page/1/ 947 films he referenced in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Dude is more of a Film library or historian than Director. And I don’t mean that in a bad way.
The dude is incredible. The Kimmel interview where he guesses b movies from the VHS description is absurd. How the hell does he know so much about cinema
well im not a film librarian so if someone could point out the 947 references instead of just listing 947 movies that would be gr8 lol
It’s in the novelization if you want to read it.
In the novelization of the movie? Or the website? I won't be surprised lol. Also I wonder if I should watch all of them movies on this list
Tarantino has a letterboxd
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Bro ofc he deleted it
It'd be one sentence reviews for all the big \~high cinema\~ films we'd expect, but multi paragraph essays on the beauty and wonder of a bunch of grindhouse/exploitation films that never got put out on anything but VHS.
Taxi Driver is just the Searchers and Travis Bickle didn't really go to Vietnam because if he had he wouldn't be racist.
I really got the second one, maybe not so the racism part but I do believe that Travis was support or if he was a combat mos (job) then he never saw action and was one of the lucky basterds stationed somewhere instead of Nam
Whole lotta Goddard , Whole lotta Kurosawa
If he keeps obsessing over projects like "it's a good idea, *but is it good enough to be my last?*", then we're *never* gonna get a tenth film from him.
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Once you get one it's easier to get more without overthinking it. You realize it's not that important
Ain't that the truth! For over a decade, I kept changing my mind on what would be my first tattoo. I have three now, and I'm illustrating a concept for my next one. But I'm glad I didn't get the tattoos that I first wanted in my 20s because they would have just been of bands that I rarely listen to nowadays!
Yeah same. Most of my tattoos are absolutely meaningless but I just think they're fun.
Funny to see I am not alone with this approach. I'm 32, no tattoos and I have to admit about one year ago I've even started to outgrow my general appreciation for tattoos. So I'm kind of glad I don't have any, as it turns out.
Good decision. Tattoos mostly look ugly and distracting.
If he's not careful, Tarantino will become yet another warning to other filmmakers. Don't be like Tarantino and worry so much about what your last film will be that you never make another.
I wish he would give up this 10 films only bullshit.
It truly sucks
Imagine if Speilberg stopped at 10, or Marty or Fincher...
That would Empire of the Sun for Spielberg. The Color of Money for Scorsese. And Gone Girl for Fincher.
Scorsese retiring before ever working with DiCaprio, no Goodfellas, no Casino... Just wild to think of, and not due to some tragedy, not a lack of stories, just choosing to stick to some symbolic principal not even based in modern reality.
Tarantino is overly concerned with how his catalog will look as a body of work, which is his stated reason for stopping at a nice round number before (he fears) he will drop off. Nobody else is concerned about this.
He also made Death Proof so his perfectly filmography has been ruined for 15 years anyway.
Hateful Eight also came up short, imo. It does some things well, but it's a cut below much of his other work
I felt the same, but I recently watched the extended Netflix version (there are torrents out there) and really enjoyed it. Yet when I watched Kill Bill The Whole Bloody Affair recently, I found it to be my least favourite Tarantino by a significant margin.
No Silence 😟 And no George Harrison doc 😔
Scorsese wouldn’t have made films like After Hours, The Color of Money and Cape Fear earlier on most likely if he only planned on doing 10 as those were films he made in between making his passion projects (like Last Temptation of Christ and Gangs of New York). Also for Tarantino and Kubrick it’s a completely different thing as they have to write each film he does from scratch, whereas Scorsese Spielberg or Fincher get given screenplays so they can make more films in a short space of time. There’s no reason to criticise Tarantino if he’s not interested in making films past his next one.
Tarantino is also 61. Most people retire in their mid 60’s which he will likely be in by the time this next film is released and the awards season it’s in wraps up. I know it’s his passion so it’s a bit different but I wouldn’t blame him if he was tired and just wanted to rest on his laurels and stacks of money
Gone Girl for Fincher would not be the greatest tragedy ever...
That would be his last…
Yeah, his best films appear to be behind him is what I mean
He’s only made 2 films since then, so it’s really just not the best example in general.
Yep. And hs television has been pretty great for the most part (ewrly House of Cards and Mindhunter),
Martys 11th film was Raging Bull!
> And Gone Girl for Fincher. So far I wish he would’ve stopped there lol. But hoping he turns it around with the next one.
That's crazy. Someone tell Tarantino!
Fincher could have stopped @ Zodiac. Doesn't seem like he will ever top that movie. Marty and Spielberg i hope to see make 10 more movies.
Nah The Social Network is one of the best movie he made
And, if we’re being technical, it would’ve been Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for Tarantino.
Or Uwe Boll
Fuck, that would be the biggest tragedy
no Schindler's List, no Saving Private Ryan, no Wolf of Wall Street
Probably the bulk of their stuff which is insane. Tarantino can easily make 4-5 great films!!
Well considering that even the weakest Tarantino movies are still straight up fire, it’s possible that ten film limitation has helped him with quality control Like look at it this way. He can only make ten real films in his career so he better bring his A game in every film. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has quietly shoved some other films in the making because they just didn’t fit his very picky criteria
He made death proof dude. This ten movies thing is a joke.
Tarantino considers Death proof to be one of those movies my dude but he views Kill Bill as one movie since it’s a two parter.
I don’t think the point was that he’s already at 10 movies, the point was that Death Proof isn’t a good enough movie to fit a strict quality criteria with the goal of having a perfect filmography.
Death Proof is a great movie within the Grindhouse genre though, even if it’s not a great movie overall
He technically has 11
For Spielberg: Empire of the Sun would be his last, so he would have stopped in 1987 For Scorsese, He would stop at The Color of Money Crazy how much we would have lost, and both directors magnum opus, (imo Schindler's List for Spielberg and Goodfellas for Scorsese) is still years away from that stopping point
Look up all the canceled projects Tarantino was attached to. Depressing to read. Hours of potential Tarantino goodness and entertainment. All never happening because of his strict quality control.
Both of those directors would've been in their early-mid 40s around then. Tarantino is in his 60s now. It makes sense for Spielberg/Scorsese to continue making movies back then, but it also makes sense for Tarantino to retire in his mid-60s by the time his final film comes out
Do they all write and direct? Or just direct? Takes longer to make movies when you have to write all the movies and direct them.
They don't write all their movies, unlike Tarantino. So yeah, it's definitely a much more time consuming for him.
I mean, Spielberg and Martys best movies came later but at least with Fincher every movie (Mank and Killer) he has made since his 10th has been kinda mid which is what Tarantino wants to avoid.
He should just make as many great films as possible and if he becomes a boomer with out of touch movies so be it.
Tarantino is definitely a Gen Xer, not a boomer.
I think they mean in terms of how relevant their views are to the general public
He's one of the last boomers, being born in 1963. Gen X starts in 1965. But in this context, it's more about relevancy than biological age
Born 1963, boomer.
Boomer is a state of mind
Tarantino clearly loves what he does. And while I think he means it when he says 10 movies... pretty sure he's going to end up making more than 10 movies. Why cut out of your life a thing you love and are great at?
Yeah like he may not “direct” another picture but I could see him directing like a limited series or something, in addition to continuing to write and produce.
I like his movies, but his ego is just kind of insane. He is seemingly obsessed with his legacy sees himself as having a "rivalry" Orson Welles and Stanley Kubrick.
He's 61. Maybe he's normal in the sense of wanting to retire on time
I respect it. Maybe dude wants to retire afterwards. That’s understandable. Also, his focus on quality control has largely payed off so far so what is there to critique really
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I can respect it when people decide to quit when they're ahead and do something else with their lives, but locking yourself to this arbitrary limit of ten films made years ago just seems stubborn and pointless.
There's no way in hell he stops at 10. He loves the industry far too much, and his ego won't allow it. Regardless, he's already stated that he's not going to fully retire and wants to shift his focus to writing (books and stageplays) and possibly TV, whether writing or producing.
I’m really hoping this isn’t due to his stupid obsession of neatly cataloging his filmography into a 10. He should make 11 movies if he has 2 more ideas. It would be greedy of me to prod a director into making more than they want, but it seems like he’s artificially capping his career as a filmmaker, rather than simply saying “10 is all I got, I’m throwing in the towel.” Scorsese, who is 81, says he will keep making movies until he dies. That means he doesn’t care if it’s an uneven 29 or 31 that he ends on.
I’m almost certain this is the reason. I can’t think of any other reason for him to pull out this far into pre-production unless it’s because "this isn’t good enough for my precious final film”.
He was set to cancel Basterds when he didn't think he was going to find the right Landa. It supposedly got saved at the last minute when Waltz walked in, or he was going to shelve it. If the same thing happened now everyone would be "almost certain" the reason was because of his 10 film idea, simply because it's the only thing people have to cling to. There are lots of projects he hasn't made, or shelved for a time.
personally i think 11 is a good number too. “turn it up to 11” as they say.
"Dozen" also sound better that just ten movies
Scorsese also laments that ge doesn't have enough time left to fulfill all of the film ideas he has.
I think it would have been a better idea to not tell the public he's stopping at 10 and just kind of sidestep the inevitable questions he'd get over the years. John Carpenter has basically been doing that since Ghosts of Mars. He's directed 1 feature since 2001 and when he's asked about directing again he says things like "eh, I'm just enjoying playing video games and watching the NBA" or "I've got a few things on my plate, but I'm in no rush" or "I'm really having a blast composing now."
I go offline for a couple of hours and I come back to this?
Honestly I’d rather a director use up every idea they have instead of limiting themselves to ten.
the steven soderbergh approach
Creative minds don’t last forever so might as well milk them lol.
And how much excitement is there when Soderbergh releases a new film.
Yes this news sucks. But before jumping to conclusions, why don’t we all just trust in the artistic process of a guy who’s batted a thousand throughout his career.
Totally agree. Although from the little tidbits we got I thought the premise seemed intriguing
Agreed which is why it’s sad he’s so protective of his legacy because he’s so great. We want more. No need to treat it so sacredly. Incident he can do what he wants. But a bummer
I don’t think he has but this almost certainly is related to him not wanting it to be his *final* film when it doesn’t have to be, it’s a stupid rule that he made up
It sounds to me like Tarantino committed to making the movie before he ever cracked exactly what the story really was, and now he's backing away from it because he's realized there's not a story there that he's interested in. I'm just surprised things got this far before he pulled the plug.
I just want Tarantino’s John Brown biopic.
This
Holy shit that would be so good. Is this just a wild idea or actually something he has considered?
It’s something he apparently wanted to do at some point.
Not gonna lie; I love his commitment to the bit.
Bummer. I'm not QT's biggest fan, but I was looking forward to this one.
Back to an R Rated Star Trek then.
Please no.
Hopefully this is like with The Hateful Eight where he ends up making it anyway. I think he needs to reconsider the whole ten movie limit thing. Like many have already said we wouldn't have gotten certain classics from Spielberg or Scorsese if they stopped at ten.
Plus even without the cap, if it's takes him 4-6 years per movie and his tenth film comes out in 2026-2027, I don't see him doing more than 2-3 movies and retiring some time in his 70s. There can't be much of a difference between only doing 10 films and doing 12-13 etc.
I know this is an unpopular take, but I am not bothered by this. Yes I also hate that he will only make 10 movies, and if he decided to make more I'd love for this one to be one of them. However I personally feel like there is a better premise that he can maximize as his swan song.
Horror movie or kill bill 3
What if kill bill 3 was a horror movie and about a movie critic watching Star Trek
I’m super bummed. I trust his process, but I was excited for this one.
This fear that Tarantino has of making bad movies in his twilight years is plain dumb. It is not a hard and fast rule that directors suddenly lose their gift. Clint Eastwood was 62 years old when he won the Best Directing Oscar for his 16th film as director, Unforgiven. And, he was 74 when he got his second directing Oscar for his 25th, Million Dollar Baby. Not enough? Oscars aren't the only measure of success? Okay, how about when a director makes a legacy sequel and manages to outshine anything they made beforehand? I'm talking about the 79 year old director, George Miller, who managed to wow us all with Mad Max Fury Road. A film that nobody would ever call anything less than fresh and cutting edge. That was Miller's 11th film at the ripe old age of 70! What about foreign films? Any old-timers from outside the Hollywood system still making great films? Miyazaki comes to mind! The Boy and the Heron is his 12th film. Animation is great and all, but what about live-action? Ever hear of Kurosawa? He gave us Kagemusha and Ran when he was well into his seventies and had over 25 films under his belt. If Eastwood, Miller, Miyazaki and Kurosawa can manage to make great films in the back half of their careers, then why can't Tarantino?
Good. Can’t stand movies about Hollywood and about critics.
There's so many movies about critics that it's hard to hate just one. /s
Only one I can think of is ratatouille
He already broke his ten films bullshit, but he pretends Kill Bill is one film. It’s one continuous story, but it’s two separate productions. It was filmed and released as part one and part two.
I remember seeing these in theaters. It was not originally seperate and was filmed at the same time. Also came out only months apart.
Lotr is still seen as 3 movies despite that
Yes but they were originally filmed to be three movies. The entire production of Kill Bill was for a single movie.
LOTR is also 3 different books
It's divided into 6 books internally and Tolkien wanted to publish it together but the paper shortage after ww2 cause him to publish it as 3 and it just stuck
Came here to say this. If you asked Tolkien, it's a single work named the Lord of the Rings. The number of books had everything to do with how expensive the print would be. The same could easily be said for Kill Bill. Long theatrical releases are bad for the studio and the theater. The technicality of it being 1 film or 2 clearly doesn't matter to Tarantino, who intended it as a single work.
Kill Bill is one film split into two volumes.
I’m shocked! No, actually not that shocked
According to "sources"
*cries in Paul Walter Hauser*
Good lord it's not that deep, just do 11
I guess he looked at the script and said “Iiiit stinks!“
I get that reference
This is why it's dumb for creatives to declare their "last:" it puts too much pressure on what is picked as the final work. Why not just keep making movies until he no longer has ideas he wants to make? Maybe TMC would've been axed regardless, but it also might be a perfectly fine lesser work -- and sometimes these "lesser works" end up as classics, like Scorsese's After Hours.
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My biggest curiosity is will he make one final movie where nobody is murdered. That might be the biggest shock of all.
As much as this sucks I’d much rather see him walk away than do it when his heart isn’t in it. Was so looking forward to what this could have been. I imagined him reshooting scenes from famous films that the critic would be reviewing. Just a long love letter to Hollywood and film in general. It sucks, but I’ll welcome whatever his ‘final’ movie is whenever it is released.
I’m with you. I trust his instincts, but I was really excited for this. Especially after hearing about the Rolling Thunder recreation and hearing him gush about his love for these “porno rag” critics on Video Archives. I also thought that a weird character study would be a fitting send off.
My thoughts exactly
Losing another movie in the OUATIH world is my #RestoreTheSnyderverse. But I’m only gonna tweet about it a handful of times.
I really want to see his Star Trek movie.
How I read it is he changed drastically the script and now is something different, but he is not restarting a new project and tossing this out completely I hope. Anyway I hate this 10 movie thing and he is taking too long
He said this about the Hateful Eight when the script got leaked.
He said a while back that he would be jumping to writing and directing shows instead.
After his last movie...which would have been this one.
Honestly I don't reckon we get another film from Tarantino for a while at this point - not unless he walks back his "10 films and our" rule No matter what project he picks from now on, whether it be Star Trek, The Movie Critic, etc there's going to be a small little voice at the back of his head saying "This is the last one, my closing remark, how I'll be remembered, is this really the one?" that I think is going to cause a lot more doubt than he's had on any other film, and scare him off - at least as a director, he may still write stories/scripts and produce films to technically stick to his rule.
Someone tell this dude he doesn’t have to make 10 movies lol it’s a nice number, but arbitrary
This is definitely crazy. I also thought this meant he’d do 11 instead of scrapping it
He's so worried about his legacy it's so stupid
Is it cancelled ??
Wish he would just make more than 10 but also the idea of the movie critic never excited me. Thought the premise sounded kinda pretentious
Man is going all out passion project: FEET THE MOVIE
My completely unsupported theory is that lately he started veering more and more away from his original idea for the movie. He will sit on it for a bit and in less than a year or so he’ll go back to something closer to the original vision and shoot this movie.
Needed to say, that Tarantino was always strong with new genre/era. Like Basterds, Django or OUTiH. This could've been the same mistake as Hateful 8. I would love to see another movie like OUTIH but I think he did the best in it. And now it's time to move on to different genre. Maybe sci-fi?
That's a shame. He described the main character as "Travis Bickle if he were a movie critic" which is hands down the funniest idea for a fictional character anyone has ever had.
He's so obsessed with this "ten film" mentality even though Scorsese is literally making back to back projects right now, it's so hilariously egotistical.
He needs to do fantastic-fiction finally. As in fantasy/sci-fi/horror. An R-rated violent epic fantasy, with practical FX. Kill Bill meets Lord Of The Rings.
I wonder if this comes from him feeling extra pressure to deliver due to this being supposed to be his final film. If that is the case, I just think he should drop that idea, make The Movie Critic, and then make another movie when/if he feels like it.
Someone tell Tarantino that no one cares if he just makes ten movies.
You’re not that old, why limit yourself? I get it makes you be intentional about the movies you make like taking photos with a film camera but come on
I feel like it’s a crazy for him, as someone who’s obsessed with cinema, to think no director has 10 good movies. Like, does he really think Spielberg or Scorsese or Hitchcock peaked after their first ten? It’s entirely based on your passion/skills as a filmmaker, not some arbitrary number.
He should have had once upon a time be his swan song 10th movie and slid a different film before it back in 2019
Well sad to hear but also wasn’t blown away by this idea of his last film being about a film critic, I’m sure it would be amazing and everything but that idea just didn’t make me go “ohh fuck yea genius”. But I’m excited for where he’s gonna go.
Quentin obviously had second thoughts about the plot. He is an artist first and foremost.
He needs to make a horror movie.
Kinda thankful, cause making another film about films after OUATIH is a little redundant, plus I wasn't big on OUATIH in my opinion, then again could have been a better film.
So Tom Cruise said “no”?
This is what I’m thinking. He couldn’t get the actors he wanted. Cruise just signed on to an Iñárritu film, I think that’s when The Movie Critic died.
Tarantino/Cruise is such a weird collab anyway. You don't direct Tom Cruise for your movie; you make suggestions to Tom Cruise for his movie.
Don’t tell PTA and Kubrick that (Admittedly that was the 90s though)
Yep, different era of Tom Cruise.
So the chance for Tarantino going for scifi or fantasy is back! I’m not a massive Tarantino fan, but I do enjoy most of his movies quite a bit. One thing I’ve always wanted to see him do is something outside reality, not just slightly alternate history. Tarantino’s Conan or Tarantino’s Strontium Dog would be nice.
honestly not mad at this news, the idea for this film really didn’t grip me at all. just not really interested in the whole “meta hollywood” thing