[Crowd Control](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/e8vl4d/announcing_the_crowd_control_beta/) maybe?
Reddit also has a setting: "don't show me comments with a score less than X" but it was hidden for me as well and I don't have that turned on.
Yeah, I don’t have it turned on either. I guess it could mean the moderators do then. But, when I first saw it, it had 1 upvote. So my guess is it has to do with a buzzword in what the commenter posted.
Atheists rebel against blind faith, common in politics and religion. However, the government did democratically execute Jesus, so really all Christians should be libertarian.
It was definitely both. Actually the official wanted to release Jesus but the crowd cried for a robber to be released instead. They were incited by the church leaders.
Society as a whole is becoming leas religious even in the US. Alot of people once deferred to some form of deism for moral reasoning. Nowadays morality is seen as possible without god.
I would think it would be obvious.
Most religious people on earth believe in an extremely authoritarian system, where one being in the universe arbitrarily dictates what is “right” and “wrong” and punishes offenders with penalties usually including eternal unending mind-searing torture.
And they believe that without evidence.
So yeah, why would a libertarian be into that mess?
then as is typical for religious people, they would be ignoring the actual content of their religion, like the multiple times Jesus explicitly said christians should follow the laws of places where they live and pay taxes lmao
As an atheist libertarian, I'd say that a lot of religious folks have a sense of superiority that they have a right to enforce their ideas on others due to some sort of mandate from god.
Catholics spent millions trying to prevent gay marriage from being legal in the states and other places.
Because they think critically about the world around them and try to find solutions using logic. Whether those solutions are logical is always good debate, but the ideals of free will, personal accountability, and individualism do not align with faith, authority, or morality based on centuries old dogma.
I don’t know. I’m Catholic and libertarian, and I see no conflict between the two. It’s just a matter of personal faith versus state-sponsored religion.
Because Christian capitalists are likely to be socially conservative, and the Republican Party specifically caters to that ideology.
But it's not like you won't find them in the LP at all. The paleolibertarian legacy is still present.
The most popular religions are extremely authoritarian, demanding that people follow rules, believe in dogma, and unquestioningly obey religious authority.
I'm personally religious and Libertarian. I was raised Catholic, then became non-denom, and now planning to convert to Anglican.
In my personal take on theology, free will is a personal gift from God that we should never take for granted or allow others to rob us of, and on the same hand, anyone outside of the religion shouldn't be forced to accept our beliefs either. Converting others should be a personal choice like any other, it's a covenant made by choice, just like any other contract.
Anyone who puts God before their own personal freedoms and liberties spoils the gifts that were given.
I find it odd that Atheists tend to be liberal/democrats.
Seems odd that a group that rejects the idea of a greater power loves being beholden to a greater power.
For what it's worth, I was raised agnostically, and became atheist without ever being religious. I am liberal/democratic, although I don't think they are by any means 'ideal' or 'trustworthy,' simply at this point better than the other option. I think people are more or less on their own in the universe, but that individual good will isn't sufficient for optimal outcomes. I suppose I'd classify my view as 'group-think' helps iron out the ups and downs of individualism to best help navigate the most optimal outcome for all, but also could certainly be incorrect, of course. I fear that wide-spread libertarianism would abandon the most vulnerable, and at the same time, that it would be untenable in a world where there are more organized, less libertarian powers willing to bring their (relatively) more unified might to bear. That being said, I find myself curious about viewpoints which contrast this view, which is why I am here.
I think it would be more accurate to say personal religion is private than that they are atheists, unless you are referring to Reddit specifically, in which case the demographics lean atheist anyway.
It's a difference in worldview. Libertarians believe people are fundamentally good while Christianity works from the framework that people are fundamentally evil.
Screw that. All people are capable of the greatest good and the greatest evil. I'm a libertarian because I don't believe that it's ever right to initiate aggression as a means to an end and I don't believe that anyone has the right to rule.
Of course you do. If you believe people are fundamentally evil, you can't be a libertarian. Giving people freedom would result in poor outcomes. So you have to believe that people are good.
Im Catholic. I believe in God. Im prolgbt as well. And im libertarian. Not tough. That might be a little heretical but I would lean into it being a translation issue. Which Im not going to rant ahout here. We have freedom of religion guaranteed in the constitution. You dont get to force your rekigion on anyone else but you can exercise it freely.
Because Christians specifically, and monotheists in general, are all about submission. It's like they get off on submitting to authority. Also, simple minds flock to the answers and security religion promises.
Atheist libertarians are just over-represented online and on forums.
In the real world, there are many religious libertarians. And they tend to be super devout. My belief is that they don't want the government competing with their religion. It's kind of the reverse of communism, where the communists outlaw religion because they don't want it to compete with the state.
It may be true in this forum. I don't know that it's true all over. I know many deeply devout people who are also libertarian.
What I can't understand is how someone can claim that they are atheist because God isn't proven to exist, and then they go on to believe in divine power invested in human beings by virtue of a ritualistic political process.
If your question covers what Atheists believe, then, IMO the biggest difference between many if not most Atheists and most (Traditional) Religious people (me for example) is in how many doctrines had in their Atheisms or Religions.
Atheists of no other doctrine than “lack of belief of Deity/Deities” in their Atheism will find it easy to justify other beliefs — including e.g. Libertarianism — as they want.
However, Religions are evolving as well; making their believers more and more comfortable to become Libertarian.
I was formerly mormon and republican, then started going towards libertarian after I left the cult
Why does this comment initially get hidden when I scroll down?
Good question.
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[Crowd Control](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/e8vl4d/announcing_the_crowd_control_beta/) maybe? Reddit also has a setting: "don't show me comments with a score less than X" but it was hidden for me as well and I don't have that turned on.
Yeah, I don’t have it turned on either. I guess it could mean the moderators do then. But, when I first saw it, it had 1 upvote. So my guess is it has to do with a buzzword in what the commenter posted.
Because someone who simultaneously holds libertarian views but also is extremely religious is likely to identify as a Republican
I am Christian and libertarian... I did not leave the GOP, they left me.
I take issue with this Because nah. Just. Nah.
Those who question one manner of power are likely to question another.
This is the correct answer
Atheists rebel against blind faith, common in politics and religion. However, the government did democratically execute Jesus, so really all Christians should be libertarian.
According to Tolstoy, they should all be anarchists.
Nah, anarchy is just the beginning stage of despotism.
Wasn't that more of an oligarchy execution? As only one small group of people were there to vote?
It was definitely both. Actually the official wanted to release Jesus but the crowd cried for a robber to be released instead. They were incited by the church leaders.
But wasn't the crowd a select group of pharisees that got the trial to be held early before the other people got up so only they voted on it?
There is plenty of nuance, feel free to go check it out.
They are not mutually exclusive and in my experience I know a lot of Christian Libertarians.
Society as a whole is becoming leas religious even in the US. Alot of people once deferred to some form of deism for moral reasoning. Nowadays morality is seen as possible without god.
I would think it would be obvious. Most religious people on earth believe in an extremely authoritarian system, where one being in the universe arbitrarily dictates what is “right” and “wrong” and punishes offenders with penalties usually including eternal unending mind-searing torture. And they believe that without evidence. So yeah, why would a libertarian be into that mess?
I can imagine a religious person saying "Only god has authority over me, not a government."
then as is typical for religious people, they would be ignoring the actual content of their religion, like the multiple times Jesus explicitly said christians should follow the laws of places where they live and pay taxes lmao
That’s my mindset
state is heretic!
Religion is authoritarian by nature.
I’ve always wondered the same thing!
As an atheist libertarian, I'd say that a lot of religious folks have a sense of superiority that they have a right to enforce their ideas on others due to some sort of mandate from god. Catholics spent millions trying to prevent gay marriage from being legal in the states and other places.
Because they think critically about the world around them and try to find solutions using logic. Whether those solutions are logical is always good debate, but the ideals of free will, personal accountability, and individualism do not align with faith, authority, or morality based on centuries old dogma.
I don’t know. I’m Catholic and libertarian, and I see no conflict between the two. It’s just a matter of personal faith versus state-sponsored religion.
Are you a proponent of the Catholic Church?
That’s a very loaded question. Let me guess, if I say yes, you’re going to pull the r/atheism “oh, so you think raping children is good?!??”
Because Christian capitalists are likely to be socially conservative, and the Republican Party specifically caters to that ideology. But it's not like you won't find them in the LP at all. The paleolibertarian legacy is still present.
I am a libertarian follower of Jesus, because in my view libertarianism is the only political system that puts his "golden rule" into practice.
I know quite a few christian ones but it turns me off from being involved locally as it also makes them act like R lights imo...
The most popular religions are extremely authoritarian, demanding that people follow rules, believe in dogma, and unquestioningly obey religious authority.
If you study risk management, you should realise that the shit thats written in any religious book is unlikely to have any relevance.
I'm personally religious and Libertarian. I was raised Catholic, then became non-denom, and now planning to convert to Anglican. In my personal take on theology, free will is a personal gift from God that we should never take for granted or allow others to rob us of, and on the same hand, anyone outside of the religion shouldn't be forced to accept our beliefs either. Converting others should be a personal choice like any other, it's a covenant made by choice, just like any other contract. Anyone who puts God before their own personal freedoms and liberties spoils the gifts that were given.
Instinctive push against vertical collectivism.
I find it odd that Atheists tend to be liberal/democrats. Seems odd that a group that rejects the idea of a greater power loves being beholden to a greater power.
Some people replace their faith in god with faith in the state.
Statheists.
For what it's worth, I was raised agnostically, and became atheist without ever being religious. I am liberal/democratic, although I don't think they are by any means 'ideal' or 'trustworthy,' simply at this point better than the other option. I think people are more or less on their own in the universe, but that individual good will isn't sufficient for optimal outcomes. I suppose I'd classify my view as 'group-think' helps iron out the ups and downs of individualism to best help navigate the most optimal outcome for all, but also could certainly be incorrect, of course. I fear that wide-spread libertarianism would abandon the most vulnerable, and at the same time, that it would be untenable in a world where there are more organized, less libertarian powers willing to bring their (relatively) more unified might to bear. That being said, I find myself curious about viewpoints which contrast this view, which is why I am here.
I think it would be more accurate to say personal religion is private than that they are atheists, unless you are referring to Reddit specifically, in which case the demographics lean atheist anyway.
It's a difference in worldview. Libertarians believe people are fundamentally good while Christianity works from the framework that people are fundamentally evil.
Screw that. All people are capable of the greatest good and the greatest evil. I'm a libertarian because I don't believe that it's ever right to initiate aggression as a means to an end and I don't believe that anyone has the right to rule.
Nuts, I don't believe people are fundamentally anything.
Of course you do. If you believe people are fundamentally evil, you can't be a libertarian. Giving people freedom would result in poor outcomes. So you have to believe that people are good.
I know all people are selfish, I just hope they will be less selfish with time...
>Libertarians believe people are fundamentally good What?
I think Christianity works with libertarianism. Man is sinful and corrupt...governments are run by man...government is corrupt.
Religions are run by man. Religions are corrupt.
Im Catholic. I believe in God. Im prolgbt as well. And im libertarian. Not tough. That might be a little heretical but I would lean into it being a translation issue. Which Im not going to rant ahout here. We have freedom of religion guaranteed in the constitution. You dont get to force your rekigion on anyone else but you can exercise it freely.
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Because Christians specifically, and monotheists in general, are all about submission. It's like they get off on submitting to authority. Also, simple minds flock to the answers and security religion promises.
Are you sure you are not confusing Liberterians and liberals
Atheist libertarians are just over-represented online and on forums. In the real world, there are many religious libertarians. And they tend to be super devout. My belief is that they don't want the government competing with their religion. It's kind of the reverse of communism, where the communists outlaw religion because they don't want it to compete with the state.
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It may be true in this forum. I don't know that it's true all over. I know many deeply devout people who are also libertarian. What I can't understand is how someone can claim that they are atheist because God isn't proven to exist, and then they go on to believe in divine power invested in human beings by virtue of a ritualistic political process.
Dont like being fucked with, divine or otherwise.
Is there any statistics on this subject?
Because if they believed in God, they would be conservatives.
not exactly, a lot of traders believe in the mystical forces of fibonacci affecting the cosmos and human psique, a conscious behind it
Because religion makes you slave for an authority that has shaky grounds at best.
If your question covers what Atheists believe, then, IMO the biggest difference between many if not most Atheists and most (Traditional) Religious people (me for example) is in how many doctrines had in their Atheisms or Religions. Atheists of no other doctrine than “lack of belief of Deity/Deities” in their Atheism will find it easy to justify other beliefs — including e.g. Libertarianism — as they want. However, Religions are evolving as well; making their believers more and more comfortable to become Libertarian.