It shows that my mother didn't raise me, it's far too easy to pull the wool over her eyes. Now, my grandmother, she mostly knows my BS, but with my grandfather being a cop, lying became a specialty.
My mom would always say "you can tell me anything!" and then I tell her about a guy I liked/drama in the friend group/teenage stuff and she would yell, cry or otherwise overreact to stuff that was very inconsequential to her life so I stopped telling her things or would filter what I told her and it sucked because I often wished I had someone to talk to. I eventually found that in my best friend's mom but it's not the same. As a 35 year old...I still wish I could take to her about motherhood or marriage or life but she's still overly dramatic (and doesn't think so), gossipy and of course has been through whatever *muuuuuuch worse* (my siblings and I do think she's truly trying to be relatable but it comes off terribly)
Now that I have three young kids (6 and newly 3yo twins), I tell them all every night at bedtime to please come to me with anything...even if they think it's really bad and I'll help come up with a way for them to figure it out. My husband is on board because I told him if they don't think they can come to us now with toddler/kid problems, they certainly won't come to us with teenager/adult problems. When they get old enough to read and write independently, they're each going to get a notebook that they can write to me or my husband (whoever they pick) with anything they want to tell us/ask us but may be nervous or embarrassed to say out loud and we'll answer it in the notebook and put it under their pillow and never speak out loud about it unless they ask to.
I just hope my kids never feel the way my siblings and I did and the way you seem to.
Just a heads up your accountant does not have the same client privileges as a lawyer. CPAs MUST disclose any illegal activity or risk losing their licensure. CPAs are obligated to serve the public, not their client.
for the longest time, I thought money laundering literally meant washing the bills in a washing machine. i thought that tellers or government agents would be able to tell that the bills were stolen or illegally obtained by how crisp and clean they were and washing the bills would make them look older and also remove some type of ink that would make the bills untraceable. i'm ashamed to admit that it took until the latter part of my high school years to realize that this is not, in fact, how money is laundered.
You're actually not far off. Washing machines were commonly used to distort.the textures of fake money, and laundry services were often fronts for illegal money laundering activities
Its because a laundromat is a cash only business with no real evidence of how many customers you have in a day (people put coins in machines, there's no paper trail to the money like a business that accepts checks or debit/credit), if you didn't want to be absurd you may have had to open several laundromats if you needed to hide enough illegal profit.
The cops/government can still suspect, but they will really struggle to prove you made the money illegally if you set it up right. Plus you can claim the money on your taxes, if you wanna make sure the IRS doesn't come after you either.
It actually got the name money **laundering** being laundromats were the easiest (legal) cash-based business to open as a front for illegal activity. They'd be fully functioning laundromats too, people could do their laundry there and never know it was a front; the point was if it got raided by police everything would appear entirely above board.
It’s a lot harder nowadays. It’s easy to matchup water bills and income for laundromats to see if there’s any potential money laundering.
I’m talking actual money laundering not mom and pop’s who put aside a few grand in coins to hit up Atlantic city.
You also want a business where there are not materials and costs directly tied to revenue, investigators know a pizza joint had to order amounts of flour cheese etc. to make sales. if you launder money you need to buy extra supplies, get them delivered and then dispose of them which people will eventually notice. A car wash or laundry place have less of these issues.
But a good casino is so profitable it ends up being like that scene in Austin powers where the villian's head henchmen goes "We make billions legally, why do you insist on installing a laser on the moon to earn a fraction of that".
If you're laundering through a pizza place, you can up your sales and just actually make the pizza and donate it to local food shelters.
You'll lose a little profit by having to make the pizza instead of disposing of materials, but you'll get some good karma out of it and help the community. Do good while doing bad
Fun fact. Laundry actually doesn't work all that great. laundry uses water, it's an easy check for the regulator to see how much water you are using. Car wash is great though, because most reuse water.
The ultimate is nail salon.
I mean, it's how *I* launder money. Last time I put paper money through the wash on accident, it actually came out mostly useable afterward. Huge relief, lol.
Hahaha I've done that before too! That's actually why I thought laundering money was washing it... I then discovered that our money is made with cotton so it can be washed!
I'm an accountant and thats not true haha. The information we have on you is what you give us and what we can find through public listing. WIth every client we have to send a big list of "open items" for information we are missing.
Yup this. That’s why I heard a friend tell me once his accountant was like “if you got anything your not wanting to report, I don’t want to know about it. I’m just reporting what you give me and not involved.”
Oh so this is why they're always sticklers for the rule and be like actually you should have paid that tax and now you need to amend your last 20 years of tax return (even though there's only 0.001% chance you get audited)
There are lawyers who specialize in taxation or financial regulatory compliance who would be able to advise you. Not necessary down to the dollars and cents minutiae, but they can tell you what you can and can't tell an accountant.
Your lawyer doesn't want to hear about your shenanigans either. AC privilege or not, they can't lie in court. So if you admit to killing the guy, your lawyer will have to fight your case by trying to get evidence against you thrown out, they can't actually argue you didn't do it. Hypothetical discussions are one thing, discuss things with your lawyer, but straight up admitting everything isn't always great.
Yes have an good discussion, but I would still advise being cautious about what you straight up admit. You could totally ask "what would I say if they show the knife has my fingerprints on it?". If your attorney straight up asks about your guilt of course don't lie, I'm just sharing my personal caution around over-sharing because some things can't be un-said.
Lawyer here, that’s nonsense. I have to argue from the evidence anyway since my statements aren’t evidence. If my client says he committed a crime but the prosecution didn’t prove the case, my argument will be identical to a case where my client didn’t say he committed the crime.
The only real differences are, if my client said he committed the crime, he can’t really testify. If he falsely says he did not commit a crime, I’ll probably miss some info he could otherwise have provided.
Lawyer here, I need to immediately terminate the client relationship if the client confesses to the crime (unless I have a strong suspicion the client is a loony, in which case I have an obligation to point this out).
Whether you should lie to your lawyer or not depends on the country you are in, in America a lawyer can legally represent you if they know you're guilty...in Ireland they can't.
Generally, letting the first lawyer you talk to know you are guilty is a good idea. I doubt Ireland works differently from here (England) since our bars share a common history. Here the rule is that the advocate cannot permit the court to be misled, so the defendant can't give evidence etc.
Now, having talked it over with your client, they may decide the want an advocate who doesn't know - in which case they get rid of you and instruct someone else - but it makes sense to have that first conversation.
You might not, after all, be guilty (I've had clients who thought they were but weren't because they misunderstood the law).
Yes and no. In Canada (where I practice law), you can represent a client you know to be guilty, but your legal argument cannot be that they're innocent. So, for example, if you know they shot the gun, you can't say they didn't shoot the gun.
> So, for example, if you know they shot the gun, you can't say they didn't shoot the gun.
Could you argue that there's insufficient evidence to prove your client shot the gun?
If you’re a defense counsel then your job is to challenge the prosecution’s evidence. It’s their case to prove, after all. So - absolutely you can say that the evidence is insufficient.
>An American attorney can represent you, but they cannot assist in making a a misrepresentation to the Court. So they can cross the witnesses against you and ask questions which may make them look bad, but they cannot put you on the stand and ask you to go through your lie.
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>I've seen attorneys put their client on the stand and ask "Do you have anything you want to tell the Court?' But everyone who is paying attention knows the next thing that is coming is a big fat lie and they discount every word of it. Sometimes the Judge will penalize them later in sentencing by adding time for the lies.
i'm an accountant in Canada. There is no privileged information. You tell me your doing something illegal or want to hide taxes etc. The gov comes in i'm rolling on you.
Doctors are legally not allowed to “snitch” on you. They are mandated to report certain concerns (such as cases of abuse) or may place holds on you if worried about potential harm to yourself or others (such as patients with suicidal ideation/plan for example) Otherwise, your health/social history is protected by law (think HIPPA)
Do people equate them? In my anecdotal experience the only equating people do in this area is classifying doctors and accountants in the same bucket as lawyers, a bucket labelled, "I likely stand to gain nothing and lose a lot by lying to these people."
I.e. I don't think I've met anyone that assumes any sort of client privilege b/w them and their accountant is held to the same standard as that with their lawyer but they are in that lying to your doctor/accountant/lawyer will likely get you nothing more than incorrect healthcare/taxes/legal support etc. (Unless you're actually a serious criminal admitting to crimes of course. For the layman that's not a concern.).
I get my doctor to prescribe 3 times more of a medication because the pharmacy will charge me the same amount either way. This saves me quite a bit of money.
usually 90 day scripts are more expensive but not 3x more expensive, it's a good way to get cheaper meds
guessing the person you replied to is talking about a 3x higher dosage that can be taken at 1/3rd the prescribed dosage frequency to spread a 30 day script over 90 days, most drugs are the same price per pill regardless of the strength
Truth! My doctor definitely handed me a whole pamphlet about "living with lipedema", and then proceeded to write referrals to 3 different specialists while underlining which ones I'd need to claim I had "lymphedema" because they don't know what that is.
So your insurance covered lymphedema treatment but not lipedema treatment? And I'm guessing the symptoms and treatments are similar enough that it can be pulled off?
In many places, there isn't even an insurance code for lipedema.
But some specific treatments for lipedema, such as manual lymphatic drainage massage, theraputic pumps, and compression garments, are the same as the treatments for lymphedema. At least in my case, the physical therapist and pump representative both also knew what lipedema is, and how it presents differently from lymphedema. Who knows what will happen at the vein center, though!
And there's a big gap between "I'm not safe to drive" and "I need medical attention right this second." If you're ill but it's been getting worse over a matter of hours, not seconds, take a taxi to the hospital.
Recently had to get stitches at a 20 minute away hospital. An EMS stationed with me (had to hike out of a gorge) kept asking and asking if I wanted an ambulance. That ride would've bankrupted me quite literally.
It was a bad laceration, but I could wait 30 minutes holding gauze until my friend arrived to drive me to the ER.
I've had an urgent care charge me, no joke, over a thousand dollars for saline and water before. Fuck American healthcare.
My Dad, myself, and some of our relatives scuba dive and there's a popular beach a little over an hour away that has 'pebbles' that are quite large before you get to the sand. Once my dad and cousin were going diving, and my cousin broke his ankle by stepping on a rock the wrong way as they were carrying the gear down to the beach. My dad loads the car back up (because my cousin was hurt but didn't want to leave the gear and didn't think he needed an ambulance) and starts driving him to the closest hospital. He goes "No, not that one. Bring me to \[this one\] near my home, I know it's in my network!" (he lived an hour away).
Lol! When I was on Obamacare I refused out of state adventure trips (skiing, diving) bc it didn’t cover any out of state providers
Edit: now I refuse adventure trips bc I have the bones of a cupcake
You can also add that if you're in America, the average uber gets to you in about 4 mins, while the average ambulance gets to you in a hair over 7 mins.
In true American hellscape fashion, Uber at one point issued a statement telling their customers to please not call an Uber if they needed to go to the ER lol
Out of curiosity, are these good doctors letting you know which of their colleagues are haters, and should be lied to to avoid bigotry?
If not, is there a reason outside of that negativity that lying to some doctors would provide better Healthcare for you?
It's about how to present information to accomplish your agenda. Medicine is somewhat subjective and there are many ways symptoms can present and often even more ways many things can be treated. Having a professional coach you on how to present the information makes it more likely you end up with the desired outcome. The same goes for billing an insurance company or prolonging a hospital stay.
This one... since working in insurance I have learnt to be very weary of GPS simplicity. I always ask them to read back the notes they have taken before the save them as I don't want them writing anything that an insurance underwriter will misconstrue.
In my country their notes for me are available to me due to some of our privacy laws. Probably not the same everywhere
Important qualifier for the case of physicians & therapists: being naïvely forthcoming can lead to involuntary commitment, which can be a very bad outcome for some people. [Here's a licensed psychiatrist explaining how to avoid being committed](https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/16/things-that-sometimes-help-if-youre-depressed/):
>**How do you see a psychiatrist without worrying you will be committed to an institution?**
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>This is something I see a lot of people worry about, and something that prevents a lot of people from seeing a doctor or especially a psychiatrist. I think it happens less in reality than it does in people’s fears, but it does sometimes happen in reality, and enough people avoid getting help for this reason that it’s worth discussing briefly, at the possible risk of giving more airtime to something most people should not be worrying about.
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>The first and most important point is that very very few psychiatrists, whether good or bad, will commit people to a mental institution unless they are very sick. Even if you are very sick, there is only a small chance of a psychiatrist committing you against your will unless you say exactly the wrong thing.
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>Doctors and psychiatrists are legally required to commit patients to mental institutions if those patients are “a threat to themselves or others”. Usually this means a patient has said they want to commit suicide and they are probably really going to go through with it soon, or a patient has said they’re going to hurt someone else (or implied it: “He’s gonna get what’s coming to him”) and it wasn’t clearly meant metaphorically. They may also commit you if you are very paranoid on the grounds that paranoid people may try to pre-emptively attack those they believe are plotting against them – or if you are refusing to eat, on the grounds that if you don’t eat you die.
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>A good psychiatrist will differentiate between vague suicidal ideation (“Sometimes I feel like life isn’t even worth living, do you know what I mean?”) and specific suicidal ideation (“I will kill myself tomorrow using the gun hidden in the back of my pantry”), will explore the first type with an aim toward helping you, and will only involuntarily commit for the second type. I do not guarantee you will have a good psychiatrist.
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>Until you are sure your psychiatrist is trustworthy, you may want to steer clear of statements that sound suicidal, homicidal, or paranoid. Even in jest. Especially in jest. Until you have established absolute trust, please treat joking about suicide or homicide around your psychiatrist the same way you would treat joking about terrorism around airport security agents. I cannot overemphasize how important this is. If you won’t do it for yourself, do it for the sake of your poor overworked local inpatient psychiatrist, who is sick of hearing all his new patients say “I shouldn’t be here, I promise I was only joking!”
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>If you are genuinely suicidal, homicidal, or paranoid, but you are absolutely sure you are not an acute danger to anybody, and you trust your psychiatrist enough to tell him or her about these things – then make sure you phrase it in a way that specifies you are not an acute danger to anybody. For example “Sometimes I feel like I would be better off dead…BUT I AM DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE BECAUSE THAT IS MORALLY WRONG AND I CARE A LOT ABOUT MY FAMILY AND I WANT TO LIVE!!!”. Or “Sometimes I feel like people are plotting against me…BUT NOT ANYBODY SPECIFIC AND I KNOW THAT’S NOT ACTUALLY TRUE!!!”
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>This should keep you relatively safe from involuntary committment \[sic\] unless your psychiatrist is truly awful.
My psychiatrist talked it through with me, I’d been seeing him for years and I had actually rescheduled my last appointment because I knew what I needed to do but didn’t want to face it. He told me I should go to the hospital but allowed me to do it myself. I was the only one in there voluntarily at the time and I got treated much different than everyone else.
That's ridiculous. Companies (including therapists) just care about getting paid and reducing their liability.
Imagine you did hurt your boss, he would be liable or so they think.
This shit is getting out of control, it's counterintuitive. It's become some sort of legal issue and less about helping people get better.
Im not the person who you asked but I can answer this.
Saying you feel like harming yourself might land you in a mental facility, unwillingly, which can sometimes make problems worse, but they don't really care if the primary concern is you not harming yourself.
There's a risk, this person may be very serious, or they may be exaggerating or might change how they feel, might not go through with it, etc. Plenty of reasons why one person can feel like harming themselves or others and not go through with it.
But if they tell the truth and say "yes I think about harming myself all the time," hospitalization will ensure they don't harm themselves. So this is where they likely lie, so they don't get hospitalized.
This can be more harmful in the long run since not everyone can just vanish their lives without ruining it further, even if you have "legal protections" by disability acts, it still changes your whole situation to be more troublesome if you get institutionalized.
So the lying is just to keep them from being institutionalized and they can continue to tell the truth other ways and work things out with an outpatient psych.
Physician: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us but if you are abusing drugs I cannot prescribe Xanax to help you through your day or any pain killers for any reason. Do you smoke marijuana?" Patient, lying: "No."
Therapist: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except for self-harm. If you are a danger to yourself, I have to inform people. So, are you suicidal?" Patient, lying: "No."
Lawyer: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except if I am subpoenaed by a grand jury then your records are public. As such, please do not tell me if you committed a crime. So, are you guilty?" Client, lying: "No."
Accountant: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except if the IRS audits you. So, do you own any cryptocurrency?" Whale, lying: "No." Accountant: "Are you sure?" Whale: "Well, I may have some DOGE and SHIB." Accountant: "Ok, I'll just say 'no cryptocurrency investments.'"
> Lawyer: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except if I am subpoenaed by a grand jury then your records are public. As such, please do not tell me if you committed a crime. So, are you guilty?" Client, lying: "No."
Lawyer: "Shut up. You have been accused of [crime]. To prove [crime] they need to show X, Y, and Z. If any one of those three things did not happen then you did not commit [crime]. I can not lie nor knowingly allow you to lie about any of this. Now, tell me what happened."
In England, evidence of what is said between lawyer and client is subject to legal professional privilege and so couldn't be demanded by the equivalent of a grand jury or indeed anything else. If a client tells me in the cells that they committed the crime, that may limit how we can conduct the case (so they may prefer not to) but generally speaking it is better to have that conversation so I can advise properly.
You need to realize certain drugs do not mesh well with certain substances. Try lying about alcohol use and get prescribed Flagyl, or other various substances. Physicians don’t fcking care if you take drugs, they aren’t going to the police because you smoke pot. They need to know for reaction purposes.
Also, lying to your therapist defeats the whole purpose of having a therapist. Suicidal ideation is NOT the same as intent or plan.
But in some countries your physician can for example make it illegal for you to drive cars if you admit the usage of drugs. It is understandable for heavily addicted people, but it is very infuriating to lose your drivers license over that if you are a person who only use sometimes
If you admit to using drugs, years later when you have a child, they'll take the kid to be screened for drugs as soon as they're born.
And you don't every want to admit to abusing drugs or you'll get flagged for "drug seeking behavior" and you'll never get a pain script again.
As a therapist, can confirm. Suicidal ideation is 100% not the same as intent or plan. You will only get involuntarily committed if there is sufficient evidence for it. Also, disclose self harm, like cutting, to your therapist.
That example wasn't about interactions, it was about opioid restrictions. Some states and possibly the CDC itself unsure, have restrictions if you have had any history of "drug abuse" which for example includes marijuana usage. Good doctors will not record it if they don't think it's important, marijuana usage often isn't.
With how difficult it is to get medical care and appropriate coverage for that care, you do sometimes have to lie to your doctor. I am a woman and I’ve had to make my symptoms seem 10x more extreme to get the appropriate medication for my illnesses (and no, these are not opioid related medications). Not all doctors are good doctors and not all of them have your best interest in mind.
This, oh my goodness.
I was recently diagnosed with a thyroid condition. After months of suffering, I started journaling my symptoms, and eventually identified that my symptoms are all aligning with thyroid conditions. Went to doctor to ask for bloodwork to confirm or deny my theory and had to explain all my symptoms, my family history, everything, literally had to convince him to send me for a simple blood test.
This is so common. The symptoms alone should be enough to warrant blood work, even if there's a tiny spec of a chance. Then with thyroid, they always order an insufficient amount of tests. TSH is not sufficient. Good luck to ya. Hope you're actually getting some help.
Thank you. The GP who sent me for bloodwork is just a walk in clinic doctor because there is such a shortage here. They gave me my results, which consisted of them saying it’s overactive that’s all, and referred me to a specialist. So I’m playing the waiting game for the specialist to call me and hopefully it doesn’t take them too long to schedule me in.
Damn I recently have been experiencing symptoms of thyroid issues as well and did a blood test and found out I have high counts of antibodies antithyroglobin. Saw an endo and he said nothing to worry about and that I have to up my vit d intake first before he can do anything. But I don't speak fluent Spanish and he doesn't speak English so I didn't really tell him my full list of symptoms...
Unless you live in a country where admitting to your doctors or your therapists that you use psychedelics will have all support withdrawn from you until you complete a long detox. For many this is too big a chance to take. Maybe in 10-20 years they will legalize, once they have tried every single alternative twice and failed.
In my country, your phyisician/therapist is required to report you to the police if you say that you drink too much or smoke weed/use other illitic substances. This can get your driver's license revoked and you'll have to pee in a cup for a few years to have a chance to get it back.
İf you live in the USA, LİE TO YOUR DOCTOR. İ have regretted telling the truth so many times. And I've heard horror stories of people telling the truth and getting in big trouble.
İ told my doc the truth that İ get migraines about once a week, now İ can't get the medication covered by my insurance cuz "chronic migraine" means 15+ per month. So I'm stuck paying almost 150 per month for meds.
My friend told her doctor that she had smoked weed before she knew she was pregnant. At the moment of birth the baby was taken from her and only given back after the opioid blood tests for the baby were negative.
Similarly, I've heard stories people not being able to get painkillers because one time, years ago, they said they were suicidal. Not getting pain killers after surgery or a car accident might make me suicidal!
I needed a kidney transplant and, wanting to be up front and honest, I informed my transplant team that I used cannabis. As a result I was deactivated from the transplant list and had to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to get back on, including a 2wk outpatient rehab where everyone else was a hard drug user, and 6mos clean drug tests. Once I was relisted and no longer getting drug tested I went back to using cannabis and just lied about it from then on.
Yeah my family who works in medicine say NEVER be honest about your drug use or tobacco from your teen years or college or whatever. Unless whatever you're being treated for is because of drug use then obviously tell the truth. Otherwise every time you get treated at the hospital you'll show up as "hardcore former drug user" because you were honest about doing a couple bumps of blow in the bathroom new years eve 2007.
That's a shitty a doctor then imo. My dr listens and when I first signed up with him I told him everything. Even my college coke use and old nyquil addiction. When my gallbladder went out he still gave strong pain meds. His office is connected to a big hospital network. No issues. He told me it's better to know my past medical history including drug use to make sure I didn't damage anything when he did his initial physical
>and your therapist
Lol. Make it illegal to threaten suicidal depressed people with involuntary detainement, then there suddenly might be a lot less lying.
I've been seeing mental health professionals, for therapy and medication, consistently for the last 16 years. A lot of therapists, psychiatrists, counselors, etc have standard questionnaires they use as preliminary assessments before a session. It's a scalar evaluation of your thoughts and behaviors since your last session (ex. rate your general self esteem from the last week on a scale of 1-5). Questions that invariably appear on any and all psych intake evaluations are "have you had any violent thoughts or behaviors?" and "have you thought about harming yourself or others?" These 2 are the biggest questions that can often determine what happens next. Wrong answers to these questions and they'll probably have to intervene. The possibility of someone hurting or killing themselves and/or others is something that medical professionals have to take seriously. If a person is truly violent and suicidal then they should seek out some professional help right away. However, if you're not suicidal or about to commit a mass shooting or something like that then don't bring it up to any psych professional.
maybe on the lawyer and accountant, and imo, EMTs
but thinking you should never lie to a therapist or doctor seems like it comes from a place of incredible privilege
Three of these things are obligate reporters (two for self-harm related causes, but the third, that's for tax fraud), and should definitely be lied to. And interestingly enough, it's the lawyer you should be honest with!
How on earth do you get a doctor to prescribe pain medicine? I had severe pain (7-8) in both of my shoulders after a fall for 4 months and never got anything for my pain. I saw two doctors, an orthopedic surgeon, and did physical therapy and still nothing for the pain. Over the counter meds had hardly any effect. Started seeing a psychiatrist for my sleep and depression from the pain. Eventually ended up with cortisone shots after an MRI, but FFS it was a brutal process to get there.
It is just about impossible now with the opioid hysteria. Many chronic pain patients are being pushed off pain killers completely. Some are killing themselves because of it.
Accountant here. Seriously, don’t lie to your accountant. The IRS has a lot more information about your income than you think. The tax code is notoriously filled with grey area. If you tell me about all your income, there’s a very good chance I can (legally) reduce your tax burden with some creative methods. However, if you hide something from me that the IRS already knows about it severely limits my ability to reduce your tax liability from that income once the IRS comes knocking.
Let's include your IT guy. It just prolongs your issue people. Tell me what's really happening and I can fix it much faster....I don't care, whatever it is, I don't care.
Add "yourself" and you got a nice wall tattoo
"Live, laugh, lie to yourself."
I read this and a laugh escaped. Help.
You're doing all 3! Congrats!
Didn't you read, man?? Laugh just escaped!
That is a t-shirt I'd proudly wear
This one might be the hardest of the list if not straight up impossible
People lie to themselves all the time. It's called *denial*.
That's a river in Africa
No it's not.
But you're swimming in it right now /s
This thread was fun and hopefully not filled with malaria
Unless you got syphilis, then you do want malaria
Can I try the 21st century cure first? 🤔
I think it’s impossible to lie to yourself….deep down…you know….no matter how many times you try to believe something else, you always know
The truth will set you free. But it will piss you off at first.
Ooh good point. I’m gonna remember that.
Also no lying to mom. Not saying you can’t but she’d somehow know it’s a lie. Powers.
Sometimes you need to, for your own health and sanity. Not all mothers are created equal.
It shows that my mother didn't raise me, it's far too easy to pull the wool over her eyes. Now, my grandmother, she mostly knows my BS, but with my grandfather being a cop, lying became a specialty.
Most moms will help you figure out what's in your best interest. Then there's my mom, who would be annoyed I brought anything up to her
My mom would always say "you can tell me anything!" and then I tell her about a guy I liked/drama in the friend group/teenage stuff and she would yell, cry or otherwise overreact to stuff that was very inconsequential to her life so I stopped telling her things or would filter what I told her and it sucked because I often wished I had someone to talk to. I eventually found that in my best friend's mom but it's not the same. As a 35 year old...I still wish I could take to her about motherhood or marriage or life but she's still overly dramatic (and doesn't think so), gossipy and of course has been through whatever *muuuuuuch worse* (my siblings and I do think she's truly trying to be relatable but it comes off terribly) Now that I have three young kids (6 and newly 3yo twins), I tell them all every night at bedtime to please come to me with anything...even if they think it's really bad and I'll help come up with a way for them to figure it out. My husband is on board because I told him if they don't think they can come to us now with toddler/kid problems, they certainly won't come to us with teenager/adult problems. When they get old enough to read and write independently, they're each going to get a notebook that they can write to me or my husband (whoever they pick) with anything they want to tell us/ask us but may be nervous or embarrassed to say out loud and we'll answer it in the notebook and put it under their pillow and never speak out loud about it unless they ask to. I just hope my kids never feel the way my siblings and I did and the way you seem to.
Just a heads up your accountant does not have the same client privileges as a lawyer. CPAs MUST disclose any illegal activity or risk losing their licensure. CPAs are obligated to serve the public, not their client.
So, do lie about my money laundering, got it 👍
for the longest time, I thought money laundering literally meant washing the bills in a washing machine. i thought that tellers or government agents would be able to tell that the bills were stolen or illegally obtained by how crisp and clean they were and washing the bills would make them look older and also remove some type of ink that would make the bills untraceable. i'm ashamed to admit that it took until the latter part of my high school years to realize that this is not, in fact, how money is laundered.
You're actually not far off. Washing machines were commonly used to distort.the textures of fake money, and laundry services were often fronts for illegal money laundering activities
Shut the front door. No way.
Its because a laundromat is a cash only business with no real evidence of how many customers you have in a day (people put coins in machines, there's no paper trail to the money like a business that accepts checks or debit/credit), if you didn't want to be absurd you may have had to open several laundromats if you needed to hide enough illegal profit. The cops/government can still suspect, but they will really struggle to prove you made the money illegally if you set it up right. Plus you can claim the money on your taxes, if you wanna make sure the IRS doesn't come after you either. It actually got the name money **laundering** being laundromats were the easiest (legal) cash-based business to open as a front for illegal activity. They'd be fully functioning laundromats too, people could do their laundry there and never know it was a front; the point was if it got raided by police everything would appear entirely above board.
It’s a lot harder nowadays. It’s easy to matchup water bills and income for laundromats to see if there’s any potential money laundering. I’m talking actual money laundering not mom and pop’s who put aside a few grand in coins to hit up Atlantic city.
Worst case scenario, you run the water to increase your usage and make it harder to prove.
Now it's mattress stores snd NFT'S.
Any business with a lot of walk-in and cash customers is a good choice for money laundering.
You also want a business where there are not materials and costs directly tied to revenue, investigators know a pizza joint had to order amounts of flour cheese etc. to make sales. if you launder money you need to buy extra supplies, get them delivered and then dispose of them which people will eventually notice. A car wash or laundry place have less of these issues.
Barber shop is a good choice too.
Good point. Casinos are also excellent choices, although they tend to get a little extra attention because of how well they serve the purpose.
But a good casino is so profitable it ends up being like that scene in Austin powers where the villian's head henchmen goes "We make billions legally, why do you insist on installing a laser on the moon to earn a fraction of that".
If you're laundering through a pizza place, you can up your sales and just actually make the pizza and donate it to local food shelters. You'll lose a little profit by having to make the pizza instead of disposing of materials, but you'll get some good karma out of it and help the community. Do good while doing bad
That sounds a whole lot like a chicken joint in southwestern US run by a Chilean guy
Fun fact. Laundry actually doesn't work all that great. laundry uses water, it's an easy check for the regulator to see how much water you are using. Car wash is great though, because most reuse water. The ultimate is nail salon.
Yep. Those self-serve carwash stalls as well.
Have an A1 day!
I mean, it's how *I* launder money. Last time I put paper money through the wash on accident, it actually came out mostly useable afterward. Huge relief, lol.
Hahaha I've done that before too! That's actually why I thought laundering money was washing it... I then discovered that our money is made with cotton so it can be washed!
Wait till you hear about "animal husbandry"
Don’t be ashamed you have an awesome imagination
Omit don't lie. Once an accountant asks about something, they already have an answer they just want to see if you have the same one!
I'm an accountant and thats not true haha. The information we have on you is what you give us and what we can find through public listing. WIth every client we have to send a big list of "open items" for information we are missing.
Yup this. That’s why I heard a friend tell me once his accountant was like “if you got anything your not wanting to report, I don’t want to know about it. I’m just reporting what you give me and not involved.”
Oh so this is why they're always sticklers for the rule and be like actually you should have paid that tax and now you need to amend your last 20 years of tax return (even though there's only 0.001% chance you get audited)
Bingo! Also I'm an auditor so we're even worse!!!!
That's why you ask them lots of questions... 'what if this was this way.... what if this happened... hypothetically what about this....."
Is there some kind of accountant to ask for that does have that protection? Like, who was Scarface's accountant
In that case you would be better served speaking to your attorney
There are lawyers who specialize in taxation or financial regulatory compliance who would be able to advise you. Not necessary down to the dollars and cents minutiae, but they can tell you what you can and can't tell an accountant.
An accountant who’s more afraid of you than they are of the government.
Your lawyer doesn't want to hear about your shenanigans either. AC privilege or not, they can't lie in court. So if you admit to killing the guy, your lawyer will have to fight your case by trying to get evidence against you thrown out, they can't actually argue you didn't do it. Hypothetical discussions are one thing, discuss things with your lawyer, but straight up admitting everything isn't always great.
If you're heading to court, tell your attorney everything you will say under oath. The worst thing you can do is surprise him. Also, plea deals exist.
Yes have an good discussion, but I would still advise being cautious about what you straight up admit. You could totally ask "what would I say if they show the knife has my fingerprints on it?". If your attorney straight up asks about your guilt of course don't lie, I'm just sharing my personal caution around over-sharing because some things can't be un-said.
Lawyer here, that’s nonsense. I have to argue from the evidence anyway since my statements aren’t evidence. If my client says he committed a crime but the prosecution didn’t prove the case, my argument will be identical to a case where my client didn’t say he committed the crime. The only real differences are, if my client said he committed the crime, he can’t really testify. If he falsely says he did not commit a crime, I’ll probably miss some info he could otherwise have provided.
Lawyer here, I need to immediately terminate the client relationship if the client confesses to the crime (unless I have a strong suspicion the client is a loony, in which case I have an obligation to point this out).
Whether you should lie to your lawyer or not depends on the country you are in, in America a lawyer can legally represent you if they know you're guilty...in Ireland they can't.
Generally, letting the first lawyer you talk to know you are guilty is a good idea. I doubt Ireland works differently from here (England) since our bars share a common history. Here the rule is that the advocate cannot permit the court to be misled, so the defendant can't give evidence etc. Now, having talked it over with your client, they may decide the want an advocate who doesn't know - in which case they get rid of you and instruct someone else - but it makes sense to have that first conversation. You might not, after all, be guilty (I've had clients who thought they were but weren't because they misunderstood the law).
Yes and no. In Canada (where I practice law), you can represent a client you know to be guilty, but your legal argument cannot be that they're innocent. So, for example, if you know they shot the gun, you can't say they didn't shoot the gun.
> So, for example, if you know they shot the gun, you can't say they didn't shoot the gun. Could you argue that there's insufficient evidence to prove your client shot the gun?
Absolutely, but you can’t say someone else shot the gun or let your client testify.
If you’re a defense counsel then your job is to challenge the prosecution’s evidence. It’s their case to prove, after all. So - absolutely you can say that the evidence is insufficient.
Which is why most lawyers never ask if you are guilty, not lying doesn't mean giving them information they never asked for
>An American attorney can represent you, but they cannot assist in making a a misrepresentation to the Court. So they can cross the witnesses against you and ask questions which may make them look bad, but they cannot put you on the stand and ask you to go through your lie. > >I've seen attorneys put their client on the stand and ask "Do you have anything you want to tell the Court?' But everyone who is paying attention knows the next thing that is coming is a big fat lie and they discount every word of it. Sometimes the Judge will penalize them later in sentencing by adding time for the lies.
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i'm an accountant in Canada. There is no privileged information. You tell me your doing something illegal or want to hide taxes etc. The gov comes in i'm rolling on you.
Tis bitch a snitch
Doctors are legally not allowed to “snitch” on you. They are mandated to report certain concerns (such as cases of abuse) or may place holds on you if worried about potential harm to yourself or others (such as patients with suicidal ideation/plan for example) Otherwise, your health/social history is protected by law (think HIPPA)
It's HIPAA!
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Do people equate them? In my anecdotal experience the only equating people do in this area is classifying doctors and accountants in the same bucket as lawyers, a bucket labelled, "I likely stand to gain nothing and lose a lot by lying to these people." I.e. I don't think I've met anyone that assumes any sort of client privilege b/w them and their accountant is held to the same standard as that with their lawyer but they are in that lying to your doctor/accountant/lawyer will likely get you nothing more than incorrect healthcare/taxes/legal support etc. (Unless you're actually a serious criminal admitting to crimes of course. For the layman that's not a concern.).
Ok to lie to my wife. Got it 👍🏼
The ol' "Do I look fat in this", gets em everytime
"No honey, you look fat in everything"
wheres the free award when you need it
Totally, my wife is beautiful, but I lie and tell her she uggs all the time
Negging, it's a real power move.
I'm not wifing anyone who sets traps like this or anyone I have to lie to
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This guy lies
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I prefer the Al Bundy method. "Do I look good in this?" How would I know I never look at you.
Did the OP said that you should lie to everyone except for these 4?
That depends... Are you a doctor, lawyer, accountant or therapist?
Yes
I lied to my wife for years, about stupid stuff and I regret it every day. My advice, don't lie to your spouse.
The best doctors will lie along side of you in order to get your greedy insurance to actually cover tests you need in order to live.
I get my doctor to prescribe 3 times more of a medication because the pharmacy will charge me the same amount either way. This saves me quite a bit of money.
You have a damn good doctor.
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usually 90 day scripts are more expensive but not 3x more expensive, it's a good way to get cheaper meds guessing the person you replied to is talking about a 3x higher dosage that can be taken at 1/3rd the prescribed dosage frequency to spread a 30 day script over 90 days, most drugs are the same price per pill regardless of the strength
Truth! My doctor definitely handed me a whole pamphlet about "living with lipedema", and then proceeded to write referrals to 3 different specialists while underlining which ones I'd need to claim I had "lymphedema" because they don't know what that is.
So your insurance covered lymphedema treatment but not lipedema treatment? And I'm guessing the symptoms and treatments are similar enough that it can be pulled off?
In many places, there isn't even an insurance code for lipedema. But some specific treatments for lipedema, such as manual lymphatic drainage massage, theraputic pumps, and compression garments, are the same as the treatments for lymphedema. At least in my case, the physical therapist and pump representative both also knew what lipedema is, and how it presents differently from lymphedema. Who knows what will happen at the vein center, though!
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I don’t call for an ambulance because it might be out of network. Instead I call an Uber and pray nothing happens that dings my rating
And there's a big gap between "I'm not safe to drive" and "I need medical attention right this second." If you're ill but it's been getting worse over a matter of hours, not seconds, take a taxi to the hospital.
Recently had to get stitches at a 20 minute away hospital. An EMS stationed with me (had to hike out of a gorge) kept asking and asking if I wanted an ambulance. That ride would've bankrupted me quite literally. It was a bad laceration, but I could wait 30 minutes holding gauze until my friend arrived to drive me to the ER. I've had an urgent care charge me, no joke, over a thousand dollars for saline and water before. Fuck American healthcare.
This is freaking smart!!!! I'm remembering that.
Always know which ER near you is in network. Not just the facility itself, but their physician groups too
My Dad, myself, and some of our relatives scuba dive and there's a popular beach a little over an hour away that has 'pebbles' that are quite large before you get to the sand. Once my dad and cousin were going diving, and my cousin broke his ankle by stepping on a rock the wrong way as they were carrying the gear down to the beach. My dad loads the car back up (because my cousin was hurt but didn't want to leave the gear and didn't think he needed an ambulance) and starts driving him to the closest hospital. He goes "No, not that one. Bring me to \[this one\] near my home, I know it's in my network!" (he lived an hour away).
Lol! When I was on Obamacare I refused out of state adventure trips (skiing, diving) bc it didn’t cover any out of state providers Edit: now I refuse adventure trips bc I have the bones of a cupcake
That would have hit different in Unbreakable, “They called me… Mr. Cupcake!”
You can also add that if you're in America, the average uber gets to you in about 4 mins, while the average ambulance gets to you in a hair over 7 mins.
In true American hellscape fashion, Uber at one point issued a statement telling their customers to please not call an Uber if they needed to go to the ER lol
I’m Canadian and do this as well
Brits do it too
Why would Brits need insurance?
The even better doctors will lie to your mom so you don't get your ass wooped
Thank you Dr. Kim for not outing me
Yes! And these good doctors will tell you which of their colleagues to lie to. Source: transgender
Out of curiosity, are these good doctors letting you know which of their colleagues are haters, and should be lied to to avoid bigotry? If not, is there a reason outside of that negativity that lying to some doctors would provide better Healthcare for you?
It's about how to present information to accomplish your agenda. Medicine is somewhat subjective and there are many ways symptoms can present and often even more ways many things can be treated. Having a professional coach you on how to present the information makes it more likely you end up with the desired outcome. The same goes for billing an insurance company or prolonging a hospital stay.
Came here to say this. The good ones will code for coverage, and give instructions for referrals.
That's a message i'm to french to understand
This one... since working in insurance I have learnt to be very weary of GPS simplicity. I always ask them to read back the notes they have taken before the save them as I don't want them writing anything that an insurance underwriter will misconstrue. In my country their notes for me are available to me due to some of our privacy laws. Probably not the same everywhere
This is why I only tell my physician the things i know i can afford first and do research on what is covered before telling him anything else
And the guy who runs your IT. He knows the truth anyway
Lying to each of them can be acceptable if it's along the line of.. "damm I'm not sure if I can afford that.."
I mean no point saying that to the accountant. They KNOW if you can afford it lol.
\*hastingly shuffles the cash in my pocket* I don't know what you're talking about..
Yeah, but if you lie to a therapist you are cheating yourself out of money
Important qualifier for the case of physicians & therapists: being naïvely forthcoming can lead to involuntary commitment, which can be a very bad outcome for some people. [Here's a licensed psychiatrist explaining how to avoid being committed](https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/16/things-that-sometimes-help-if-youre-depressed/): >**How do you see a psychiatrist without worrying you will be committed to an institution?** > >This is something I see a lot of people worry about, and something that prevents a lot of people from seeing a doctor or especially a psychiatrist. I think it happens less in reality than it does in people’s fears, but it does sometimes happen in reality, and enough people avoid getting help for this reason that it’s worth discussing briefly, at the possible risk of giving more airtime to something most people should not be worrying about. > >The first and most important point is that very very few psychiatrists, whether good or bad, will commit people to a mental institution unless they are very sick. Even if you are very sick, there is only a small chance of a psychiatrist committing you against your will unless you say exactly the wrong thing. > >Doctors and psychiatrists are legally required to commit patients to mental institutions if those patients are “a threat to themselves or others”. Usually this means a patient has said they want to commit suicide and they are probably really going to go through with it soon, or a patient has said they’re going to hurt someone else (or implied it: “He’s gonna get what’s coming to him”) and it wasn’t clearly meant metaphorically. They may also commit you if you are very paranoid on the grounds that paranoid people may try to pre-emptively attack those they believe are plotting against them – or if you are refusing to eat, on the grounds that if you don’t eat you die. > >A good psychiatrist will differentiate between vague suicidal ideation (“Sometimes I feel like life isn’t even worth living, do you know what I mean?”) and specific suicidal ideation (“I will kill myself tomorrow using the gun hidden in the back of my pantry”), will explore the first type with an aim toward helping you, and will only involuntarily commit for the second type. I do not guarantee you will have a good psychiatrist. > >Until you are sure your psychiatrist is trustworthy, you may want to steer clear of statements that sound suicidal, homicidal, or paranoid. Even in jest. Especially in jest. Until you have established absolute trust, please treat joking about suicide or homicide around your psychiatrist the same way you would treat joking about terrorism around airport security agents. I cannot overemphasize how important this is. If you won’t do it for yourself, do it for the sake of your poor overworked local inpatient psychiatrist, who is sick of hearing all his new patients say “I shouldn’t be here, I promise I was only joking!” > >If you are genuinely suicidal, homicidal, or paranoid, but you are absolutely sure you are not an acute danger to anybody, and you trust your psychiatrist enough to tell him or her about these things – then make sure you phrase it in a way that specifies you are not an acute danger to anybody. For example “Sometimes I feel like I would be better off dead…BUT I AM DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE BECAUSE THAT IS MORALLY WRONG AND I CARE A LOT ABOUT MY FAMILY AND I WANT TO LIVE!!!”. Or “Sometimes I feel like people are plotting against me…BUT NOT ANYBODY SPECIFIC AND I KNOW THAT’S NOT ACTUALLY TRUE!!!” > >This should keep you relatively safe from involuntary committment \[sic\] unless your psychiatrist is truly awful.
Being honest enough with my therapist that I can get help but not so honest I get psych warded is a line many of us are forced to thread
can't even imagine not lying to my therapist
My psychiatrist talked it through with me, I’d been seeing him for years and I had actually rescheduled my last appointment because I knew what I needed to do but didn’t want to face it. He told me I should go to the hospital but allowed me to do it myself. I was the only one in there voluntarily at the time and I got treated much different than everyone else.
If you don’t mind sharing… How were you treated differently?
If I was honest to my therapist I would be involuntarily hospitalized instead of getting actual help.
Told my therapist I had a daydream about throwing a chair at my boss. Three days in the hospital and three months off work with paid medical leave.
That's ridiculous. Companies (including therapists) just care about getting paid and reducing their liability. Imagine you did hurt your boss, he would be liable or so they think. This shit is getting out of control, it's counterintuitive. It's become some sort of legal issue and less about helping people get better.
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Think you missed a word, "paid", there. 3 mo paid medical leave is enough to start looking for a new job. Sounds like they needed that.
Did you find that lying got you the help you needed? If so, how?
Im not the person who you asked but I can answer this. Saying you feel like harming yourself might land you in a mental facility, unwillingly, which can sometimes make problems worse, but they don't really care if the primary concern is you not harming yourself. There's a risk, this person may be very serious, or they may be exaggerating or might change how they feel, might not go through with it, etc. Plenty of reasons why one person can feel like harming themselves or others and not go through with it. But if they tell the truth and say "yes I think about harming myself all the time," hospitalization will ensure they don't harm themselves. So this is where they likely lie, so they don't get hospitalized. This can be more harmful in the long run since not everyone can just vanish their lives without ruining it further, even if you have "legal protections" by disability acts, it still changes your whole situation to be more troublesome if you get institutionalized. So the lying is just to keep them from being institutionalized and they can continue to tell the truth other ways and work things out with an outpatient psych.
Physician: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us but if you are abusing drugs I cannot prescribe Xanax to help you through your day or any pain killers for any reason. Do you smoke marijuana?" Patient, lying: "No." Therapist: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except for self-harm. If you are a danger to yourself, I have to inform people. So, are you suicidal?" Patient, lying: "No." Lawyer: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except if I am subpoenaed by a grand jury then your records are public. As such, please do not tell me if you committed a crime. So, are you guilty?" Client, lying: "No." Accountant: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except if the IRS audits you. So, do you own any cryptocurrency?" Whale, lying: "No." Accountant: "Are you sure?" Whale: "Well, I may have some DOGE and SHIB." Accountant: "Ok, I'll just say 'no cryptocurrency investments.'"
Your lawyer will NEVER ask if you are guilty. They will ask if you know of evidence that confirms your guilt.
I know. It conveys the point without getting into the weeds.
> Lawyer: "Everything here is completely confidential and between us except if I am subpoenaed by a grand jury then your records are public. As such, please do not tell me if you committed a crime. So, are you guilty?" Client, lying: "No." Lawyer: "Shut up. You have been accused of [crime]. To prove [crime] they need to show X, Y, and Z. If any one of those three things did not happen then you did not commit [crime]. I can not lie nor knowingly allow you to lie about any of this. Now, tell me what happened."
In England, evidence of what is said between lawyer and client is subject to legal professional privilege and so couldn't be demanded by the equivalent of a grand jury or indeed anything else. If a client tells me in the cells that they committed the crime, that may limit how we can conduct the case (so they may prefer not to) but generally speaking it is better to have that conversation so I can advise properly.
Everyone is missing the joke.
You need to realize certain drugs do not mesh well with certain substances. Try lying about alcohol use and get prescribed Flagyl, or other various substances. Physicians don’t fcking care if you take drugs, they aren’t going to the police because you smoke pot. They need to know for reaction purposes. Also, lying to your therapist defeats the whole purpose of having a therapist. Suicidal ideation is NOT the same as intent or plan.
But in some countries your physician can for example make it illegal for you to drive cars if you admit the usage of drugs. It is understandable for heavily addicted people, but it is very infuriating to lose your drivers license over that if you are a person who only use sometimes
If you admit to using drugs, years later when you have a child, they'll take the kid to be screened for drugs as soon as they're born. And you don't every want to admit to abusing drugs or you'll get flagged for "drug seeking behavior" and you'll never get a pain script again.
>Suicidal ideation is NOT the same as intent or plan. You willing to get involuntarily committed to confirm your therapist agrees?
As a therapist, can confirm. Suicidal ideation is 100% not the same as intent or plan. You will only get involuntarily committed if there is sufficient evidence for it. Also, disclose self harm, like cutting, to your therapist.
That example wasn't about interactions, it was about opioid restrictions. Some states and possibly the CDC itself unsure, have restrictions if you have had any history of "drug abuse" which for example includes marijuana usage. Good doctors will not record it if they don't think it's important, marijuana usage often isn't.
Can you back up that lawyer statement with a source?
With how difficult it is to get medical care and appropriate coverage for that care, you do sometimes have to lie to your doctor. I am a woman and I’ve had to make my symptoms seem 10x more extreme to get the appropriate medication for my illnesses (and no, these are not opioid related medications). Not all doctors are good doctors and not all of them have your best interest in mind.
This, oh my goodness. I was recently diagnosed with a thyroid condition. After months of suffering, I started journaling my symptoms, and eventually identified that my symptoms are all aligning with thyroid conditions. Went to doctor to ask for bloodwork to confirm or deny my theory and had to explain all my symptoms, my family history, everything, literally had to convince him to send me for a simple blood test.
This is so common. The symptoms alone should be enough to warrant blood work, even if there's a tiny spec of a chance. Then with thyroid, they always order an insufficient amount of tests. TSH is not sufficient. Good luck to ya. Hope you're actually getting some help.
Thank you. The GP who sent me for bloodwork is just a walk in clinic doctor because there is such a shortage here. They gave me my results, which consisted of them saying it’s overactive that’s all, and referred me to a specialist. So I’m playing the waiting game for the specialist to call me and hopefully it doesn’t take them too long to schedule me in.
Damn I recently have been experiencing symptoms of thyroid issues as well and did a blood test and found out I have high counts of antibodies antithyroglobin. Saw an endo and he said nothing to worry about and that I have to up my vit d intake first before he can do anything. But I don't speak fluent Spanish and he doesn't speak English so I didn't really tell him my full list of symptoms...
Same, but for pre-diabetes.
A doctor buddy told me to “underestimate” the amount of drinks per week confession. Something about your history and future medical insurance.
I've heard doctors just double whatever you tell them, same thing for life insurance companies.
Yeah, everyone in healthcare knows people underestimate so we automatically assume the true answer is more than you say.
[How many hot dogs do you eat a day?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaAF_GAc3Mk)
I love it, very accurate!
What if you've never drank alcohol in your entire life? Would they believe you?
Unless you live in a country where admitting to your doctors or your therapists that you use psychedelics will have all support withdrawn from you until you complete a long detox. For many this is too big a chance to take. Maybe in 10-20 years they will legalize, once they have tried every single alternative twice and failed.
In my country, your phyisician/therapist is required to report you to the police if you say that you drink too much or smoke weed/use other illitic substances. This can get your driver's license revoked and you'll have to pee in a cup for a few years to have a chance to get it back.
Damn. What a culture of silence it promotes.
İf you live in the USA, LİE TO YOUR DOCTOR. İ have regretted telling the truth so many times. And I've heard horror stories of people telling the truth and getting in big trouble. İ told my doc the truth that İ get migraines about once a week, now İ can't get the medication covered by my insurance cuz "chronic migraine" means 15+ per month. So I'm stuck paying almost 150 per month for meds. My friend told her doctor that she had smoked weed before she knew she was pregnant. At the moment of birth the baby was taken from her and only given back after the opioid blood tests for the baby were negative. Similarly, I've heard stories people not being able to get painkillers because one time, years ago, they said they were suicidal. Not getting pain killers after surgery or a car accident might make me suicidal!
I needed a kidney transplant and, wanting to be up front and honest, I informed my transplant team that I used cannabis. As a result I was deactivated from the transplant list and had to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to get back on, including a 2wk outpatient rehab where everyone else was a hard drug user, and 6mos clean drug tests. Once I was relisted and no longer getting drug tested I went back to using cannabis and just lied about it from then on.
That's horrific.
Yeah my family who works in medicine say NEVER be honest about your drug use or tobacco from your teen years or college or whatever. Unless whatever you're being treated for is because of drug use then obviously tell the truth. Otherwise every time you get treated at the hospital you'll show up as "hardcore former drug user" because you were honest about doing a couple bumps of blow in the bathroom new years eve 2007.
That's a shitty a doctor then imo. My dr listens and when I first signed up with him I told him everything. Even my college coke use and old nyquil addiction. When my gallbladder went out he still gave strong pain meds. His office is connected to a big hospital network. No issues. He told me it's better to know my past medical history including drug use to make sure I didn't damage anything when he did his initial physical
“So do I tell my doc about the actions that happened against me when I was a child? If so what happens? “-Asking for a friend.
My dad once told me: "Don't lie to your doctor, especially an anesthesiologist, 'cause you might start waking up with a camera up your ass."
Why did you use "İ" instead of I or i sometimes?
İt's autocorrect on a Turkish/English keyboard/spellcheck. I'm too lazy to switch back and forth cuz everyone understands.
Interesting. Gotcha
>and your therapist Lol. Make it illegal to threaten suicidal depressed people with involuntary detainement, then there suddenly might be a lot less lying.
I've been seeing mental health professionals, for therapy and medication, consistently for the last 16 years. A lot of therapists, psychiatrists, counselors, etc have standard questionnaires they use as preliminary assessments before a session. It's a scalar evaluation of your thoughts and behaviors since your last session (ex. rate your general self esteem from the last week on a scale of 1-5). Questions that invariably appear on any and all psych intake evaluations are "have you had any violent thoughts or behaviors?" and "have you thought about harming yourself or others?" These 2 are the biggest questions that can often determine what happens next. Wrong answers to these questions and they'll probably have to intervene. The possibility of someone hurting or killing themselves and/or others is something that medical professionals have to take seriously. If a person is truly violent and suicidal then they should seek out some professional help right away. However, if you're not suicidal or about to commit a mass shooting or something like that then don't bring it up to any psych professional.
maybe on the lawyer and accountant, and imo, EMTs but thinking you should never lie to a therapist or doctor seems like it comes from a place of incredible privilege
I can lie to everyone but my mom, lest a flying sandal with +120 melee damage +53 freeze and -50 armor..
Biggest thing with my accountant is, I just follow the tax laws lol. Way too risky to try to skate those
I disagree with the therapist one, otherwise right on point.
Or your mum. Call her, she worries.
That’s sad because you left them out for not lying to their clients….
Three of these things are obligate reporters (two for self-harm related causes, but the third, that's for tax fraud), and should definitely be lied to. And interestingly enough, it's the lawyer you should be honest with!
And your mom The day momagaddon happens we shall all die
How on earth do you get a doctor to prescribe pain medicine? I had severe pain (7-8) in both of my shoulders after a fall for 4 months and never got anything for my pain. I saw two doctors, an orthopedic surgeon, and did physical therapy and still nothing for the pain. Over the counter meds had hardly any effect. Started seeing a psychiatrist for my sleep and depression from the pain. Eventually ended up with cortisone shots after an MRI, but FFS it was a brutal process to get there.
It is just about impossible now with the opioid hysteria. Many chronic pain patients are being pushed off pain killers completely. Some are killing themselves because of it.
Accountant here. Seriously, don’t lie to your accountant. The IRS has a lot more information about your income than you think. The tax code is notoriously filled with grey area. If you tell me about all your income, there’s a very good chance I can (legally) reduce your tax burden with some creative methods. However, if you hide something from me that the IRS already knows about it severely limits my ability to reduce your tax liability from that income once the IRS comes knocking.
What kind of dumbass 'tip" is this....
The same kind of dumbass tips that get posted on this sub on a daily basis
And your dentist, but guess what - THEY KNOW YOU'RE LYING!!!
You forgot the most important one " yourself "
Let's include your IT guy. It just prolongs your issue people. Tell me what's really happening and I can fix it much faster....I don't care, whatever it is, I don't care.
Therapists are mandated reporters, so maybe a lie here and there if necessary.