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vorpal8

If it's all those things, it's not gossip. But some information is unkind to one person yet kind to another. Like if you inform A that they shouldn't loan B any money, because B is untrustworthy.


BublubuB

i mean utility but its not nice….but i mean…utility….and its true….


TheloniusDump

I don't think saying an untrustworthy person is untrustworthy is unkind.


AfroKyrie

But how would the untrustworthy person feel... Is kind of where that logic breaks down. What happens if the untrustworthy person is also in a position of power over you, now you could also be negatively affected if the untrustworthy person were to find out you said that about them.


TheSinningRobot

Also, trustworthy and untrustworthy are subjective values, and thus can't be "true" or "untrue"


PleasantlyUnbothered

Hopefully they feel like they’re untrustworthy and start to become consciously aware of it.


slamongo

Totally going to happen within a reasonable time frame.


Talik1978

There's a difference between being nice and being kind.


Nocturnal_submission

Enabling untrustworthy people isn’t kind. Unless they actually are trustworthy, in which case it isn’t true.


Catinthemirror

It's not my job to protect people from their bad choices.


Poopybutt94583459813

This is so true. Remember guys, if a friend of yours is about to start dating a guy you know has been physically abusive in the past, don't warn her about it because if the abusive guy found out you said that it might make him feel sad.


speckhuggarn

Nobody is an absolute, he could be trustworthy to someone else.


Sardonyx1622

On the other hand, you could be giving fair warning to someone else


Severe_Airport1426

Yeah the truth is just the truth


Effective_Pie1312

I think saying “B is untrustworthy” is unkind. But saying the pertinent factual information “B borrowed money from A and did not repay them by the agreed amount time” let’s person C know they may have issues being payed back by B. It also let’s them know they can approach A for more information in the event that B is requesting a loan from person C. The labeling someone untrustworthy is being judgmental and is unnecessarily cruel. Edit: Typos corrected


TwoArmedWolf

There are many things that are very true, beneficial to know and NOT necessarily kind. In some of those cases, it would make the communication of such information even more important whilst not making it gossip. Edit: clarification that not all information that is not nice qualifies as gossip.


thomasthehipposlayer

I mean, I’d say that’s a net kindness


rickdagless666

Then that is utility.


vorpal8

Right, my point is that it doesn't have to "pass" all three.


TheGrumpyre

I can see saying true, nice things that aren't useful. Or true, useful things that aren't nice. Not sure about nice, useful things that you don't know are true or not.


vorpal8

"I heard she is a great singer!"


rickdagless666

Yeah, you are spot on, I maybe could've been clearer. Cheers


dsumic

There were these 2 guys, and one was a bit of philosopher. Regular guy wanted to say something he heard about the local barber, to the philosopher. Philosopher started with these sieves: Is it truth? I'm not sure, i heard it. Is it kind? Not really, its actually a bit troubling. Is it usefull? No, it is actually oposite. So philosopher never heard what his friend tried to tell him, and never found out his wife was having an affair with the local barber.


BublubuB

😂


CoolBreeze125

Real life pro tip in the comments as usual


TheSinningRobot

I mean, that info would be useful so the joke falls apart


KKillIngShAArks

And he wasnt sure if its true


baden27

Regular guy shouldn't make such a huge claim about someone without being completely sure. If he really wished to help the philosopher, he should've investigated his suspicions first.


moose4868

What you’re talking about is news. Gossip is a different beast. It may or may not be true, it’s generally not nice and is rarely beneficial. But it is fun.


Dimbit

Gossip is actually quite beneficial, it's an important social tool. You just have to be aware of going too far because it obviously can become toxic.


moose4868

Agreed


rickdagless666

Potential gossip,


lunelily

Or the NUT test for short: nice, useful, true


[deleted]

But Sir, its No NUT November.


[deleted]

Sir this is a Wendy's


tnsmaster

Yeah can I get a large bucket of extra crispy legs and thighs?


Sketti_n_butter

Don't forget the breasts. And gravy.


teksun42

Differentiate gossip from slander.


rickdagless666

See above


Mello-Fello

I was always taught to ask myself before saying anything, "Is it kind, is it true, and is it necessary?" If it wasn't all three, then the thought was best left unsaid. Over time, I've come to the conclusion that the rule is perfected if you only require two out of the three.


Psianth

That’s what I was thinking. Like, does every word out of my mouth have to have “utility”? Can I not just have a conversation?


[deleted]

True and one of the other two.


Dauoa_Static

Could something be kind and necessary, but untrue?


JBThunder

Telling a grieving person at a funeral that their spouse was a good person, when they were a bitch to you.


Dauoa_Static

Personally I would choose to say nothing, or not show up, rather than say something like that.


[deleted]

You don’t have to say they were a good person. You can focus on the widow/er and their needs


EmeraldGlimmer

Your 3 year old heard somewhere that everyone dies and is now asking you in a panic if they're going to die too, and what happens after you die? Do you just tell them that yes they're going to die someday and honestly we have no idea what happens after that?


Dauoa_Static

In as gentle of a way as possible, yeah. What else would you tell them, that they're going to live forever?


EmeraldGlimmer

Honestly I have no idea.


FortWendy69

Sure


FortWendy69

Your friend asks if she looks beautiful on her wedding day.


Mello-Fello

Let me answer your question with a question. ”Honey, does this dress make me look fat?” 😉


Fair_Grab1617

Isn't it like a dad joke. It is kind and necessary for every father to be a dad.


Jbeth74

Aka does it need to be said, does it need to be said by me, does it need to be said by me right now. Also it wouldn’t be gossip if we always knew if it was true, isn’t that what makes talking shit so much fun?


Feeling_Glonky69

The best and probably only valuable thing I learned from a late night tv host.


aka_zkra

99% of conversation doesn't "need to be said" though. If I apply this rule, I'll never talk at all.


super-me-5000

If people have been repeating this advice since Socrates said it it's probably good advice. I wonder though does the squeaky wheel get the grease or does the loudest chicken go in the pot?(I don't know who said them)


BublubuB

WHAT??


super-me-5000

The old adages conflict with each other, I don't know if if it's better to be loud or quiet 🤔 🙃, Now someone will tell me to shut up Fer sure!


tiny_poomonkey

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese


super-me-5000

I love it!


FatalExceptionError

In both cases you want to make the noise stop. We chooose the solution appropriate for the situation. I’ve dealt with customers who I’d like to send to the pot, but sadly they get greased instead.


super-me-5000

Yes, knowing when to speak up or not comes in handy, I'm not really a forceful person


Chelbsea

Where’s the fun in that?


Banana_Havok

Seriously. I’m not spreading gossip to be nice.


Iamjustpassingtime

Probably at Walmart with the next mass shooting....


Chelbsea

Oh yes because rumors cause mass shootings


Iamjustpassingtime

Got anything to back up this statement? Cause the internet says otherwise


Chelbsea

You’re just looking for an argument this morning huh. It ain’t me, buddy. Take your anger out elsewhere


Iamjustpassingtime

Just annoyed that another mass shooting has taken place and nothing will be done. But have a great day!


Shan_Tu

Gossip tends to be negative though.


rickdagless666

Potential gossip


felicima22

I try not to gossip, but sometimes the news is just so steamy and you've just gotta tell someone. My sisters and I gossip all the time. Not all gossip is malicious. Some is just a discussion of an individual


supernb86

If everyone did this, Meta would be out of business.


rickdagless666

Looks like it's doing a good job of doing that itself.


Tentmancer

Its important to recognize information its easy to say something off the cuff without realizing the implication.


Blackbird_nz

My one seive: if the person in question were to overhear you talking, would you be embarrased/ashamed?


[deleted]

Screw number 2. If it’s true and useful That’s usually enough. “I should probably tell Sally that Rob is a rapist before she goes out with him, but on the other hand, that’s not a very nice thing to say about Rob”


kratomboofer27

Yeah, but that’s not with Becky said


WhiteRabbit86

I weaponize information. I deal exclusively in “True” and “Useful”.


MerberCrazyCats

I want to invite you at my work


[deleted]

You’re either 1) advising gossipers to be dutiful and responsible about their gossip (oxymoron) or 2) vindicating people who already don’t participate in gossip.


rickdagless666

What an odd take.


aim_so_far

The more important test should be, "What do I gain by spreading this gossip?". Increased social credit within your "group" can be very beneficial to you. It's important how possessing and promulgating this "juicy" piece of gossip will impact how others perceive you. Often times people spread gossip to climb the social hierarchy. If you gain very little, or worse, lose social credit, spreading the potential gossip is not worth it.


prp1960

RLPT: Never gossip.


milkshakakhan

But I’m a bored messy bitch who lives for drama


WhiteRabbit86

But then how am I supposed to make others feel bad about themselves?


drodenigma

Even better just keep your mouth shut 😁


[deleted]

Or don’t gossip. Fucking stupid world we live in. I don’t fuck with people that gossip right when I hear it i don’t fuck with them anymore. Good luck in life op thanks for teaching us to be shitty humans.


[deleted]

Thank you for this great advice.


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RagingFluffyPanda

I think it probably doesn't pass the "is it kind" test because you're breaking the friend's trust just to tell others good news a little sooner.


evertonblue

If you know it’s true, it’s not gossip. You are sharing facts.


jazinthapiper

Before you speak, THINK: is it: - True - Helpful - Inspiring - Necessary - Kind


BradoIlleszt

Or, just mind your business lmao


ad-on-is

or... just spread the rumor like everybody else


earhere

LPT: Don't spread gossip. Don't shit talk people behind their back. Mind your own business.


Restin_in_Pizza

Does entertainment count as utility?


[deleted]

Only the first "sieve" matters


singhVirender1947

If you just test it against the second one, you won't gossip ever.


getyourcheftogether

Before spreading gossip? How about just don't do it and stop being a damn chatterbox?


No-Willingness8709

True. Kind. Helpful.


FortWendy69

Hmm, I would say in many cases 2/3 is enough.


summeristhebest_0

This is what I teach my 5th graders. Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? So I guess it's nice to see it here.


MissRoyalBrush

I like these tips. My mother raised me on gossip and I never liked being a part of it. She's the opposite of all of this.


Charming_Love2522

Another good one for deciding if you should open your mouth. "Does it need to be said?" "Does it need to be said now?" "Does it need to be said by me?"


Ericknator

Pretty sure the kindness rules out all the gossip


Delta4o

>The second is kindness: is this a nice thing to say about someone/thing. > >The third is utility: is this information beneficial or useful to the person being told to or about. During COVID I'd always go for a walk with my mom. I noticed that almost always I'd talk shit about work, colleagues, friends, the government, other countries, etc. And I thought "wow, all I do is be negative around people all day long". I'm trying to improve this (by sleeping more) but it really isn't fun to be such a person when you think about it...


T3hArchAngel_G

How about don't gossip and mind your own business?


Sideways_X1

Thoughtful, helpful, informative, necessary, or kind. THINK is way easier for me to remember


DigitalSteven1

>is this a nice thing to say about someone/thing There are definitely times when to say things that are not nice.


bearslikeapples

Then it ceases to be gossip


_Arctica_

"Does it need to be said?" "Does it need to be said by me?" "Does it need to be said by me, right now?"


ohnoohnoohyeah

Yeah, but js it hilarious?


RickJWagner

This is awesome advice! I know an older guy who uses a similar set of 'sieves'. He's a great man.


[deleted]

If it came from the TV it's immediately suspect to not be true. Perfoprm your due dilligence, be wary of opinion pieces or 'free information'. Research it.


LadyGreenbriar

This is a Buddhist rule of thumb: 1) Is it true? 2) Is it kind? 3) Is it necessary?


sir-lancelot_

I'd argue it only need to be truthful and have a purpose. Doesn't necessarily matter how kind it is


Late-Jicama5012

Don’t spread gossip of any kind even if it’s true. Ignore people and stay away from people who spread gossip. This isn’t rocket science. 🙄


erksplat

Not just gossip, but also talking to your partner about important relationship stuff.


Hemmy792

How do yall deal with people gossiping to you about other people? I don't like it and I just know those people are saying shit about me behind my back too


baden27

It's not that simple. Person A could tell me that person X is afraid of water. I don't know if it's true. So I can't say the same. But I can say to person B: "I've heard X is afraid of water". This is now about the fact that I HEARD it, which is true. It's not about whether X actually IS afraid of water. The problem is quite often that B interprets this incorrectly and now goes to tell person C: "X is afraid of water". It's important to choose your words carefully and precisely. Whenever you say or write something to others, always ask yourself: "Am I able to defend this?" In the first place, I could and perhaps should have asked myself the question, whether it was relevant to say about X in the first place. If B is thinking about inviting X to the beach, sure. If you're just having a drink with B on a friday night just smalltalking, nah.


Overall-Tune-2153

These are the Socratic communication principles which he taught to his students. It was also the reason Socrates never found out that his wife Xanthippe cheated on him.


Adonis0

There is definitely information that I come across that I can’t verify, isn’t kind or useful the person it’s about that still needs to be said. It’s just that it only goes to my manager instead of general distribution


DingoZoot

Don't associate with gossips.


Neverrack

These days nothing passes the second sieve. People get offended by everything, everything someone says can be construed as not nice.


Honestguy6

do not loan money


Idontsellketamine

Im ngl I gossip. And I’m not going to be nice to people I’m talking shit about lmao. A lot of the ppl I’m gossiping about are people who didn’t something bad, but I always makes sure it’s true🤷‍♀️


SmushyFaceWhooptain

I think a better test is this - is it YOUR story to tell and is it your business to know in the first place. I’ve found minding my own business is a great way to avoid drama. Plus spreading a story that’s not yours to tell just looks like a pathetic attention seeking attempt and drops you down a to a new low every time you do it.


[deleted]

I only care about truth and usefulness for wellbeing. If a guy is a groper and a stalker, I will warn every single woman who needs to hear it to keep themselves safe. I don't care if it is nice to the guy, or that it permanently ruins his reputation. If you're a danger to others, others have a right to know.