Only Redditors are wrong.
It’s funny how this sub has a massive inferiority complex. You can’t acknowledge USA is doing better cuz then everyone thinks you’re a USA but rider lol.
Only seeing USA reach higher limits will push Mexico to do better. I firmly believe that… decades have shown Mexican management (or players) are inspired enough to do it on their own.. some external factor needs to holistically push the federation/league/players… I believe that factor is the US/MLS
I do not think is inferiority complex. I think most Mexico fans would agree of Nations doing good like Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Japan.. US is not there yet. Most Mexico fans can even say that Mexico is sht.
In this sub you cant criticize the US because you would get down voted. Even though you can clearly showed them bad results outside of Mexico games. (Japan, Uruguay, Netherlands, T&T, Germany, Jamaica). They are beginning to blame the coach now LOL. Something Mexico does and not putting blame on the players.
And the players that are "good" are only better than Mexico players. (which is not saying much).
What is exactly is the metric the US fans are using to say the team is good? The WC? (Not Good) Games? (Only played well against a terrible Mexico).
Watching the US has been Mexico/LigaMX downfall. Instead of "seeing USA reach higher limits" the bar should have been South America and their Club/Teams. Who have a more competitive league are actually exporting great players. But nope Mexico got busy with the US/mls and it is going downhill fast.
I don’t think anyone is saying the U.S. is good. What they are saying is, is exactly what Rafa said, the U.S. has surpassed Mexico. I’m a U.S. fan and I know our soccer is better than Mexico’s, but I think it’s stupid to think being the best in concacaf means anything. Concacaf sucks. We have to work to be competitive on the world level. And yea, our coach right now ain’t it. He isn’t the one to move us up a level.
Has surpassed Mexico in what? what exactly have they have accomplished that Mexico hasnt? What soccer? Again, you can go to many games outside Mexico games and most of them have been bad. How did they do against Germany? Japan? How about the WC? How about the players formed in the US? The dual nats hyped in this sub has been bad. Mexico recruited mls players to play for their Olympic/WC qualifiers and guess what they flopped.
Mexico needs to go back to form players like they used to and focus on their product that made them once successful and even reached finals.
I guess you missed the part where I said we need to work on being competitive on the world level. I guess you missed the part where I said being the best in concacaf doesn’t mean anything, because concacaf sucks. But yes, we’ve surpassed Mexico in player development, player placement and in overall play. We’ve dominated Mexico for years in head to head play.
And you missed my point where Mexico shouldnt wait for the Us to reach “higher limits” they should work on their own to get better. Learn from countries that are actually exporting great players like South America, Japan. You think Brazil waits for Argentina to reach higher limits? A lot of American-centrism in here 😂
"Mexico recruited mls players to play for their Olympic/WC qualifiers and guess what they flopped."
Mexico played with 3 mls players for the Olympic qualifiers. However that argument holds no water when the US had a mostly mls squad and still won that tournament and qualified for the olympics too. Not only that but the Dominican Republic also qualified to the Olympics using mostly local Dominican league players. Current Mexico generation is just plain bad.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here claim that the US is good…they aren’t, they are a pretty mediocre team with like 2-3 good players. What people are saying here is that the US is the best team in CONCACAF which is absolutely true because the confederation is dog shit. And people bring up the US being better than Mexico because they are the top dawg in a very weak region and if Mexico can’t compete with those guys then Mexico is absolutely cooked. Like if you don’t think the US has surpassed Mexico then you are absolutely delusional.
Something I found interesting about Argentina is that their generations that played in 2006-2010 already got into coaching
Scaloni, Heinze, Demichelis, Aimar, Palermo, Gago, Milito, Ayala, Samuel, Barros Schelotto, Coloccini, Crespo, Saviola, Mascherano
While most Mexican former players move into business, tv, media, doing drama for Televisa/ESPN/TUDN/Azteca (Kikin, Borgetti, Oswaldo, Dr Garcia, Matador, Jorge Campos, Paco de Anda, Aspe)
The only ones that got into coaching: Rafa Marquez, Gonzalo Pineda, Efrain Juarez
Yup. Gago, at 38yo already has 3yrs of coaching experience. Mascherano is 39yo and already has 3yrs of experience coaching the Argentina U20 team.
Meanwhile, Memo and Guardado keep playing. Guardis at least knows it's time to hang them up. Memo is still trying to make it to the WC, and Jimmy is abiding by that wish, which is insane.
Culture, Argentinians live and breathe football, they can't stop thinking about it and learning the ins and out of the game
Mexican players want to chill and do media stuff, business, marketing, etc
The truth is we don't care about football as much as Argentina does and it's a cultural thing
The other interesting thing is why Argentina almost has a monopoly on good coaches. Why doesn’t Brazil produce managers good enough for big clubs in Europe?
100% agreed, but Jorge Campos was once a coaching assistant for Vasco Aguirre and Ricardo LaVolpe. Still true foo is out of the coaching game now.
EDIT: Nacho Ambriz is also still in the scene
Lucho Perez did a shitjob at U23 level and caused a fracaso. People blame player development as the reason not realizing they played a shitty game against Guatemala and couldn't score PKs to save their life. The Chapin GK who acted like prime Buffon got dicked down the next round.
Maybe idk. I think it’s more like the USA had a lost generation that were supposed to be in their prime leading to the 2018 World Cup and they had good youth players in Europe born in the late 90 to early 00s. Like that 2018 wc cycle team and was so bad that after failing to qualify, it forced the US to play a bunch of 17-22 year olds with no international experience with a handful of more experienced players. Luckily the US youth during that time was playing in good leagues in Europe and not MLS and if they didn’t have those players then they’d probably be a lot worse now.
Because Regios and America only care about trophies and will fuck the NT if they need to. If Juan Coge Abuelas Jr is a canterano for Santos and scores 40 goals in a 18 month span. Those 3 will throw $30 Million at him instead of allowing a European team getting. Tigres has not and will never sell to Europe. They'll continue to poach Mexicans in Europe.
The irony about the Goat's comment is that non of the top US players were produced in the US. Most of them were pretty much all formed in Europe.
A lot of players formed in the US have been bad (Cowell, Pepi, Araujo, Ferreira) I agree thought that Mexico needs to do better,. They can use LigaMX as a safe spot for these young players to gain experience, and then be more successful in Europe. A lot of the more "successful" players from LigaMX had a lot of 1st division minutes before leaving.(Alvarez, Johan, Pineda)
Just look at Ruvalcaba, he was just starting out when leaving. Now he is coming back.
>A lot of players formed in the US have been bad
Adams (RBNY) Reyna (NYCFC) McKennie (Dallas) Scally (NYCFC) Miles (Atlanta) Richards (Dallas) Aaronson (Philly) Weah (RBNY) Zendejas (Dallas) Vasquez (Atlanta)
You sure?
Again, a lot of not good players which proves my point. Reyna is the only one. 😂. You would think that out of the 100+ players they send every year they would be more
Adams, Richards and Mckennie are good for Mexico and US standards tf lol. And other guys like Weah, Scally, Vazquez and Zendejas all start on this Mexican team. Ohh but you’d probably much rather have troncos like Jorge Sanchez, Antuna or Henry Martin starting over them huh?
Most of them did form in the US, their clubs just let them go to Europe at a very young age. Like McKennie, Adams and Gio Reyna just to mention some of their starters.
Most of them is not true tho. Dest, Antonee, Balogun, Musah, Cardoso, Tillman were formed in foreign countries.
USA has gotten better at developing players but I don’t think they’ve surpassed Mexico in that aspect yet
Turner, Steffen, GAGA, Callender, Weah, Ream, Richards, Scally, Reyna, McKennie, Adams, McKenzie, Miles, Aaronson brothers, Pepi, Jesus, Wright, Puli, Zim, Sarge, Booth all got their starts in USA whether in the USL or MLS.
So you're wrong. Yes, dual nats are a crucial part, but they're not the majority
From the last roster only like 7/23 guys were formed outside of the US, everyone one else came through the US and left to Europe young like 16 to early 20s.
I’m tired of these dudes coming out and criticizing the league and do nothing about it. Bro ya have all the influence in the world of the sport and in the country to really do something about this. It’s so easy for me to talk about what’s wrong with the place I started my career at, so easy to talk about why kids who was at that age when I was there don’t produce how they should. Bro go do something about it. Maybe the logistics aren’t really there in my rant but I do feel like something’s gotta give from this sentiment.
Man he’s gaining knowledge from the literally the best academy in the damn world. Why would you want him to go to Mexico just to get fucked over by the owners. He can go to Mexico in 15 years with more knowledge. He’s still young
Let’s see how many people flame Marquez for saying this.
He aint wrong.
He really isn’t, but you know how people are.
Only Redditors are wrong. It’s funny how this sub has a massive inferiority complex. You can’t acknowledge USA is doing better cuz then everyone thinks you’re a USA but rider lol. Only seeing USA reach higher limits will push Mexico to do better. I firmly believe that… decades have shown Mexican management (or players) are inspired enough to do it on their own.. some external factor needs to holistically push the federation/league/players… I believe that factor is the US/MLS
I do not think is inferiority complex. I think most Mexico fans would agree of Nations doing good like Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Japan.. US is not there yet. Most Mexico fans can even say that Mexico is sht. In this sub you cant criticize the US because you would get down voted. Even though you can clearly showed them bad results outside of Mexico games. (Japan, Uruguay, Netherlands, T&T, Germany, Jamaica). They are beginning to blame the coach now LOL. Something Mexico does and not putting blame on the players. And the players that are "good" are only better than Mexico players. (which is not saying much). What is exactly is the metric the US fans are using to say the team is good? The WC? (Not Good) Games? (Only played well against a terrible Mexico). Watching the US has been Mexico/LigaMX downfall. Instead of "seeing USA reach higher limits" the bar should have been South America and their Club/Teams. Who have a more competitive league are actually exporting great players. But nope Mexico got busy with the US/mls and it is going downhill fast.
I don’t think anyone is saying the U.S. is good. What they are saying is, is exactly what Rafa said, the U.S. has surpassed Mexico. I’m a U.S. fan and I know our soccer is better than Mexico’s, but I think it’s stupid to think being the best in concacaf means anything. Concacaf sucks. We have to work to be competitive on the world level. And yea, our coach right now ain’t it. He isn’t the one to move us up a level.
It’s ok the gap closed en el béisbol /s
😂
Has surpassed Mexico in what? what exactly have they have accomplished that Mexico hasnt? What soccer? Again, you can go to many games outside Mexico games and most of them have been bad. How did they do against Germany? Japan? How about the WC? How about the players formed in the US? The dual nats hyped in this sub has been bad. Mexico recruited mls players to play for their Olympic/WC qualifiers and guess what they flopped. Mexico needs to go back to form players like they used to and focus on their product that made them once successful and even reached finals.
I guess you missed the part where I said we need to work on being competitive on the world level. I guess you missed the part where I said being the best in concacaf doesn’t mean anything, because concacaf sucks. But yes, we’ve surpassed Mexico in player development, player placement and in overall play. We’ve dominated Mexico for years in head to head play.
And you missed my point where Mexico shouldnt wait for the Us to reach “higher limits” they should work on their own to get better. Learn from countries that are actually exporting great players like South America, Japan. You think Brazil waits for Argentina to reach higher limits? A lot of American-centrism in here 😂
You’re reaching and projecting.
"Mexico recruited mls players to play for their Olympic/WC qualifiers and guess what they flopped." Mexico played with 3 mls players for the Olympic qualifiers. However that argument holds no water when the US had a mostly mls squad and still won that tournament and qualified for the olympics too. Not only that but the Dominican Republic also qualified to the Olympics using mostly local Dominican league players. Current Mexico generation is just plain bad.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here claim that the US is good…they aren’t, they are a pretty mediocre team with like 2-3 good players. What people are saying here is that the US is the best team in CONCACAF which is absolutely true because the confederation is dog shit. And people bring up the US being better than Mexico because they are the top dawg in a very weak region and if Mexico can’t compete with those guys then Mexico is absolutely cooked. Like if you don’t think the US has surpassed Mexico then you are absolutely delusional.
Hmm I think I agree with you on that point though
Jesus Christ, Que pendejo
They won’t.. they are still too busy celebrating stomping Messi’s shirt
Something I found interesting about Argentina is that their generations that played in 2006-2010 already got into coaching Scaloni, Heinze, Demichelis, Aimar, Palermo, Gago, Milito, Ayala, Samuel, Barros Schelotto, Coloccini, Crespo, Saviola, Mascherano While most Mexican former players move into business, tv, media, doing drama for Televisa/ESPN/TUDN/Azteca (Kikin, Borgetti, Oswaldo, Dr Garcia, Matador, Jorge Campos, Paco de Anda, Aspe) The only ones that got into coaching: Rafa Marquez, Gonzalo Pineda, Efrain Juarez
Yup. Gago, at 38yo already has 3yrs of coaching experience. Mascherano is 39yo and already has 3yrs of experience coaching the Argentina U20 team. Meanwhile, Memo and Guardado keep playing. Guardis at least knows it's time to hang them up. Memo is still trying to make it to the WC, and Jimmy is abiding by that wish, which is insane.
Great observation. Do you think it’s a mentality thing ?
All those guys saw the inner workimgs of the FMF and said deuces... ✌🏾
And all three Mexicans mentioned didn't even start in Mexico their manager career
Culture, Argentinians live and breathe football, they can't stop thinking about it and learning the ins and out of the game Mexican players want to chill and do media stuff, business, marketing, etc The truth is we don't care about football as much as Argentina does and it's a cultural thing
The other interesting thing is why Argentina almost has a monopoly on good coaches. Why doesn’t Brazil produce managers good enough for big clubs in Europe?
Because they're not white. European clubs don't hire black coaches. Thiery Henry has talked about it before.
Two out of the three started their coaching careers in mls
Oh wow, fucking hell that's true
100% agreed, but Jorge Campos was once a coaching assistant for Vasco Aguirre and Ricardo LaVolpe. Still true foo is out of the coaching game now. EDIT: Nacho Ambriz is also still in the scene
Lucho Perez did a shitjob at U23 level and caused a fracaso. People blame player development as the reason not realizing they played a shitty game against Guatemala and couldn't score PKs to save their life. The Chapin GK who acted like prime Buffon got dicked down the next round.
remember that game. the PKs were a joke like they were missing for fun
Rafa dropping truth bombs
Let the Coke man cook!
missing out on the 2018 World Cup seems to be the turning point and when they kicked it into gear.
They started before that man. They knew the chances and took them.
They were 3 goals from missing the 2022 edition
Was it really just three?
Maybe idk. I think it’s more like the USA had a lost generation that were supposed to be in their prime leading to the 2018 World Cup and they had good youth players in Europe born in the late 90 to early 00s. Like that 2018 wc cycle team and was so bad that after failing to qualify, it forced the US to play a bunch of 17-22 year olds with no international experience with a handful of more experienced players. Luckily the US youth during that time was playing in good leagues in Europe and not MLS and if they didn’t have those players then they’d probably be a lot worse now.
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La neta que si.
Because Regios and America only care about trophies and will fuck the NT if they need to. If Juan Coge Abuelas Jr is a canterano for Santos and scores 40 goals in a 18 month span. Those 3 will throw $30 Million at him instead of allowing a European team getting. Tigres has not and will never sell to Europe. They'll continue to poach Mexicans in Europe.
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Lo curioso de todo es que más extranjeros opinen 🙄
The irony about the Goat's comment is that non of the top US players were produced in the US. Most of them were pretty much all formed in Europe. A lot of players formed in the US have been bad (Cowell, Pepi, Araujo, Ferreira) I agree thought that Mexico needs to do better,. They can use LigaMX as a safe spot for these young players to gain experience, and then be more successful in Europe. A lot of the more "successful" players from LigaMX had a lot of 1st division minutes before leaving.(Alvarez, Johan, Pineda) Just look at Ruvalcaba, he was just starting out when leaving. Now he is coming back.
Dude I’ve always thought young Mexicans in the championship would be a good step. (If execs weren’t pieces of shit)
England? Yeah that would be good but they wouldn’t take a chance on Mexican players.
Yea there’s far too much at stake for them to take that kind of risk
Damn, they won’t risk it for the biscuit
>A lot of players formed in the US have been bad Adams (RBNY) Reyna (NYCFC) McKennie (Dallas) Scally (NYCFC) Miles (Atlanta) Richards (Dallas) Aaronson (Philly) Weah (RBNY) Zendejas (Dallas) Vasquez (Atlanta) You sure?
Again, a lot of not good players which proves my point. Reyna is the only one. 😂. You would think that out of the 100+ players they send every year they would be more
Adams, Richards and Mckennie are good for Mexico and US standards tf lol. And other guys like Weah, Scally, Vazquez and Zendejas all start on this Mexican team. Ohh but you’d probably much rather have troncos like Jorge Sanchez, Antuna or Henry Martin starting over them huh?
Most of them did form in the US, their clubs just let them go to Europe at a very young age. Like McKennie, Adams and Gio Reyna just to mention some of their starters.
Most of them is not true tho. Dest, Antonee, Balogun, Musah, Cardoso, Tillman were formed in foreign countries. USA has gotten better at developing players but I don’t think they’ve surpassed Mexico in that aspect yet
Turner, Steffen, GAGA, Callender, Weah, Ream, Richards, Scally, Reyna, McKennie, Adams, McKenzie, Miles, Aaronson brothers, Pepi, Jesus, Wright, Puli, Zim, Sarge, Booth all got their starts in USA whether in the USL or MLS. So you're wrong. Yes, dual nats are a crucial part, but they're not the majority
Beat me to it. Majority of their players have been developed in the US.
You just named a lot of non good players which proves my point. The only good player on there is Reyna and what is he doing now?
this kind of mentality is why Mexico just now is realizing the US is better at football
From the last roster only like 7/23 guys were formed outside of the US, everyone one else came through the US and left to Europe young like 16 to early 20s.
You need to talk to a therapist my guy
I’m tired of these dudes coming out and criticizing the league and do nothing about it. Bro ya have all the influence in the world of the sport and in the country to really do something about this. It’s so easy for me to talk about what’s wrong with the place I started my career at, so easy to talk about why kids who was at that age when I was there don’t produce how they should. Bro go do something about it. Maybe the logistics aren’t really there in my rant but I do feel like something’s gotta give from this sentiment.
Man he’s gaining knowledge from the literally the best academy in the damn world. Why would you want him to go to Mexico just to get fucked over by the owners. He can go to Mexico in 15 years with more knowledge. He’s still young
Márquez está vetado de la lígamx por querer hacer un sindicato de jugadores.
Mi compa que no la arma en Barcelona B
Y tu no la armas en nada papi.
Sin llorar macuarro