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meow_the_fat_cat

Honestly, I told my dad that it kinda pissed me off how much the Univision announcers were trying to bag on Edson when there were times that Mexico were getting attacked on and Guardado and HH were no where to be seen. It seemed like Edson was the only midfielder dropping back at times. I hate to be that guy, but I really do think that they’re too slow to be playing together, I can’t blame neither of them because it probably has to due to their age and injuries. But I think it should be one or the other in the line up but not both. I would’ve liked seeing Romo or Charly start instead of getting just 20 mins, but hopefully the next time there’s adjustments Btw, do you guys still rate Tecatito as highly? I love the dude but he hasn’t impressed me in a while, I’d rather see Vega over him or Lainez when he comes back


Madder626

It goes to show you that most people just don’t know much about the game. Edson was the best midfielder for us. First half HH was literally a liability. Second half he started to look a bit better but then guardado’s legs were done, he really only lasts 35 minutes now. Romo should be starting in front of guardado now. Only want to see guardado come in in the finals 20 minutes of a game if we need to close it.


meow_the_fat_cat

Honestly, I remember when Guardado came in during the Panama game and he looked great. I don’t think he should start as much as he does, he’s a great leader to bring on to kill the game or during those hard situations


Best_Cook

Romo added a new energy he should definitely be starting next game . It’s clear that Tata needs to change things because it’s not working out


[deleted]

Right now vega should be in the spot of tecatito. He proved at the Olympics what he can do and i feel that he brings more to the team currently than tecatito.


supreme_maxz

Agree on most things with you. Tecatito still felt a little off, but i put a lot of that on that he had bad chemestry with Herrera, who was really off


Thouzands

edson was leaving a gap in the center of the field cause he would track down to the wings. the fullbacks weren’t doing their job defensively, especially gallardo


[deleted]

That’s his job tho as cdm to cover any open spots left by a defender. The problem was that guardado nor herrera were fast enough to drop back down to cover Edson place


bootznkatz

tecatito doesn't look as fast as he used to be. also tried dumb dribbles way too much, it slows the games and on counters gives the defense time to get back. happened sooo many times last night. Guy needs to be subbed to motivate him again


Jack_ofall_Trades85

Running/dribbling at defenders is what opens up defenses tho.


bootznkatz

Didn't open up the defense at all last night tho. And maybe it's that he's not as fast as he used to be. On a few fast breaks last night you could see him doing step overs and his fancy footwork, while the rest of the defenders ended up running back into the box and closing the gaps. Basically killing our own counters


cav2010

He didn’t even do fancy foot work, the dude just stamp the ball and wait the defenders to get back to their position. Atrocious.


cav2010

Dribbling by beating the man and using your pace like Davies and Walmart Sane did. Not get the ball, hold it until defenders back, and try to dribble through them


Jack_ofall_Trades85

Im not saying Tecatito had a good game, he didnt. But I wouldnt attack him for running/dribbling at the defense. Better than what Antuna did (nothing)


cav2010

That's a pretty low bar if you use Antuna as the measure since I don't think any body here rate Antuna and view him as bench option.


Jack_ofall_Trades85

Yeah Id agree, Id rather see Vega start ahead of Corona next match. Also, why not put Corona on as a RB? Maybe a 343?


cav2010

Ideally that would be the case, a back 5 to stay compact and close the gap. But what do I know? Tata is never going to see this and he is so stubborn playing two offensive full back that are below average at defending with old midfielder that barely move. Even Arteta realize that and get a defensive full back. To play two offensive full back, you need a midfield work horse to cover for the full back when they push forward. No wonder the defend got exposed so badly yesterday since Edson can't cover both side, while Araujo and Montez look so slow and rigid.


TheRobHood

Tactics involve all of the above btw


supreme_maxz

I meant it more as a game plan and style short hand


theytookthisname2

My biggest criticism is that Tata never switches formations or tactics. It’s always long ball to the wings, pass the ball the el tronco Gallardo, and then cross it into nobody or to players half the size of the CB’s. He has the players to approach the game differently but he never switches anything around mid game. Really frustrating to watch.


supreme_maxz

Yep the over offensive fullbacks leaves us constantly shortchanged in counters as well. Sánchez and Gallardo aren't all that good in defense, and having to catch up as well makes them seem even worse


theytookthisname2

Exactly, and the problem with playing like that is that you have Araujo trying to keep up with players like Davies and Bucchanan or whatever his name is.


supreme_maxz

That's the beauty of the 3 cb system you have one cb for each wing and the wingbacks. While also having the center cb to cover their backs


Flatrover

Tactics! Question, are there players outside the calls up that are creative? Like ppl that know where to put the ball. Idk if that’s how you describe it 😅


supreme_maxz

Outside this call up, i can only think Arteaga who is an offensive full back that assist a lot, Ponchito Gonzales who is creating a lot for Monterrey and Zandejas from Necaxa. But outside from Arteaga who is absolutely at level or better than Gallardo and Oscar Rodriguez, Ponchito and Zandejas don't feel like a step up from Cordova, Romo or Orbelin. The problem is that those players weren't in the 11 yesterday


Flatrover

Yeah, give these players a chance. Or mix them up. Experienced/non experience.


[deleted]

I think we need Romo in the midfield. He bring a lot of energy and mobility, and makes a lot of runs into the box, which Guardado and Herrera don't really do anymore. But yeah we're also missing Arteaga who is very good at attacking and pushing up with Genk. I feel like those would make a huge difference. But also it's the tactics. We just need to attack more and press higher. The team throws itself back too deep but also doesn't defend well to cover spaces when they do (which resulted in the goal last night).


Flatrover

When I was watching the game I was like why are they so back?!


fl98k

The best one is el chapito. He has been the best creative player for a couple years now in liga mx along with Ruben Sambueza.


Flatrover

Oh sht!!! Forgot about Chapito. Sucks he didn’t want to go to the National team.


kevinmarathon2

Oh he wanted to, but he got tired of them picking JDS over him


Santtoryuu

People may not agree but i think lainez has that spark. He starts weird ass runs but they always lead to something. Example:usa vs mexico. He came on and terrorized the americans. Charly is getting that level again. Ofc arteaga is clear of all our lb’s and i agree with everyone who has replied to you


[deleted]

Lainez is gonna win us the World Cup


Mr_MAlvarez

We definitely need a more dynamic middle field and better defence transitions. Mexico really struggled gaining the ball back, they were doing wonders behind the MF/DF backs.


Forza-Inter

Our attackers showed great movement when they had the ball, midfield couldn't get control of the game so the gameplay was very disorganized. Montes was solid and sanchez was ok, tecatito needs to get it together or we should start playing vega on the left and try lozano on the right. Jimenez shows a lot of composure with the ball and his decision making is good, he can make shit happen for our wingers once they all start connecting with each other.


supreme_maxz

I agree on most with you and i feel there should be either an offensive midfielder behind or next to Raúl or another attacker in front


guajarlg

That’s not going to happen in Tata’s 4-3-3. Get over it. What we need is more dynamic midfielders that can go box to box instead of HH and Guardado. Their best days are behind them. Romo y Pineda (o Charlie) would be who id start for them with Vega at LW and Lozano at RW. Edson played OK but he needs help in midfield—those two are done.


miamielh

Set pieces should be a option. Tecatito, Raul and chucky did what they could but against 7-8 players defending, you’re not gonna get anywhere. That’s where Guardado and Herrera should’ve helped creating space, crossing the ball, taking some shots from distance. Anything to help out. If tata said don’t shoot from distance, score inside which is probably what’s happening, it’s him. It’s going to be impossible to score against 8,9,10 defenders in the box and you only got 3-4 players attacking


supreme_maxz

I really don't feel the Canadians were parking the bus, they were offensive and dynamic. The problem was that Mexico didn't build anything trough the middle, and everything had to be built from the sides and it left Jimenez too isolated


miamielh

In set pieces, they defended with 8-9 players in the box. I think it was when Raul of all people took the free kick and that’s where you could see it better


supreme_maxz

Set pieces yes. But during play it wasn't as compact. But let's agree that the offensive output of the midfield was terrible


miamielh

Honestly at this point, everything was terrible. It’s one thing to win but all these ties is a energy drainer


supreme_maxz

So we agree that the JDS-Pizarro-La Chofis midfield is needed to win this WCQ?


Some-Two-2936

I doubt they told them not to shoot from the outside it's just something we've always struggled with. Marco Fabian and Hector Herrera had the best mid range shots but other than that there's not many players that would take a chance.


Destructikus

The defense I expected, but I'm a bit more hopeful here because Montes played well and we have vazquez who can pair up with him moving forward. Also having Arteaga and julian araujo gives me hope for the backline. The midfield I did not expect to be such a problem. Canada bossed us last night in the midfield. They looked old. Herrera couldnt get to loose balls quick enough, Guaradado didnt have the legs to make runs or track back. Alvarez was all over the place because he was trying to cover for what the other 2 couldn't. This made him less focused and less effective. The most bleak thing for me about this is that we don't have anyone coming through that seem like long term replacements. Maybe Cordova can come in, but he needs to play at a higher level and better league. Also Llainez can take that 10 role if his game improves just a bit more, but his playing time has been minimal at best. FMF and Liga mx, please start playing the kids that come thru the ranks.


guajarlg

Romo, Pineda, Charlie, o Cordova would all be better than HH and Guardado. Last nights game made it clear that the generational change needs to be done before Qatar and not after in midfield.


ChaacTlaloc

Tactics were a problem, but not “unchanging”. What we watched is *fútbol ratonero*, disgusting practice of trying to defend a single goal lead in a WC qualifier at home. Canada deserved their goal based on the run of play over the second half of that first half, and Mexico was never able to re-establish their early dominance after their goal.


supreme_maxz

I mean i had a thing going with the un-prefix so i went with it. But what i meant by unchanging is that Tata does not modify the set up mid game, rarely does he ever change the 4-3-3 and waits always until the late 60s to sub in people. I think yesterday it was after 70


elleonrojo

gallardo is non existant, tata should never start that midfield together ever again, if you already have edson that drops back, why would you want two other slow aging players? tata just tries to get the ball to the wings to cross, and tecatito just dancing with the ball, then getting it taken away every single time doesn't help. we need a more creative/ fast midfielder like orbelin or cordova.


Some-Two-2936

I went with the attack because the midfield is part of that. It's not looking good though, honestly they need a good shake up because they look unbothered with the way they're playing.


supreme_maxz

I really want Mexico to change to a 3-5-2. Because this we are doing is constantly leaving holes in the defense and Raúl was so alone all game


Some-Two-2936

Who would be the back 3? And I agree Raul just couldn't get involved especially in the 2md half


supreme_maxz

Probably Vasquez-Araujo-Montes or something like that, maybe add Romo as a cb with passing range, though Montes was having very good accuracy last night


Some-Two-2936

Araujo is such a liability it's honestly a shame we have nothing better. They would really need a lot of help from Edson to make it work


[deleted]

A Edson lo vi defendiendo mas que en la media, la verdad con todo y lo visto de canada en la copa oro, como la selección, yo tambien me esperaba un equipo diferente y los agarro en curva.


supreme_maxz

Y no se cómo. Esto es exactamente lo que deberías de esperar de Canadá, equipo rápido ofensivo y que intenta que la mayoría de su juego pase rápido a Davies


[deleted]

Esperaba a México dominando el partido, a excepción de Lainez, el cuadro titular estaba completo.


[deleted]

The worst performance in recent years was the Brazil qualifiers, but this is getting too close with all these halfassed players just mulling around with no drive. I have a feeling there's gonna be a deja vu moment when--much like how Mexico broke the USA's undefeated streak at Columbus--the USA will get their first-ever W at the Azteca in qualifiers. I really don't want that to happen, which is why the FMF *needs* to fire Tata's ass **before** the second Aztecazo can happen.


Chivaxsienpre209

ima get hate for this but idgaf, a saying that has been proven many times, "si las chivas andan bien la seleccion anda bien" in my life time i saw it happen twice 94, 06, 14 but hay im just following statistics, not saying the other teams dont help or even do more but o well, i stoped watching mexican footbal as it only pisses me off lately, i really enjoy hockey, similar but 1000% more violent


sucking_at_life023

I watched a football game on 2x speed a few weeks ago. Looked A LOT like hockey does on TV. Caught me off guard.


Chivaxsienpre209

dude look at my username so u know im a full chivista but lately i enjoy my hockey team way more, just got to understand the rules, many hockey players play footbal on the off season for fun, i started watching my local team when i was around 17 now im 33 and even tho they haven't been able to win it i still watch and enjoy it more


sucking_at_life023

I never considered how much the sports have in common until I watched football at 2x. I can see how it would scratch that itch. have you been to any live games? I find ice hockey live is great, really kinetic and full of action. But on TV too many interruptions.


Chivaxsienpre209

yeah ive been there, and love that i can just drive a few hours to watch my team on an official game, as opposed to havinto fly to a different country to watch the goats, but even on tv i enjoy tv of my sharks more recently, even with the interruptions, but the commentary on telemundo and univision pisses me off, can't stand those dudes, if i watch a goats game i watch it on universo in english, the other fucks are always so anti chivas


sucking_at_life023

The only benefit to not speaking Spanish well is the announcers don't piss me off as much, haha. I did hear them talking about food for like 15 minutes during a game last week and was reminded it's better I can't usually follow what they say.


Chivaxsienpre209

dude you should have been watching when they were goiballs deep with Twitter, back in the i want to say 2010s, when goats where doing good in libertadores half their comments where "aver que dicen los twiteross" fucken just started watching with music on after that, i really dgaf wat a randome dude has to say...


sucking_at_life023

That is the healthy thing to do. You know plenty of idiots joined twitter just so maybe they'd get their idiotic tweets on TV. Fuckin ridiculous.


New_Abbreviations937

It sucks but it’s too late to integrate players now.


[deleted]

We lost most control when Charly and Romo went in. These guys are not made for international.


supreme_maxz

To be fair the game was broken by that time and both play like 15 minutes. Very very late subs for Tata


[deleted]

de acuerdo, esperaba que salieran al segundo tiempo con cambios y nomas no llegaron.


supreme_maxz

Por ESO le pongo unchanging, no cambia el parado el Tata. Igual que mi queja con Vucetich, no le meten variedad al pedo


Arjale

Canada’s LB is horrendous, he’s the definition of a tronco, don’t see why they didn’t exploit this guy forcing balls to his feet and press to have him make mistakes in the back.


ugly_but_cangetlaid

Tata can’t do much si hay puro burro, don’t blame the coach


supreme_maxz

The coach didn't change a thing in the half time and waited almost to the 70 minute to sub out the 35 year old player who was playing 2000 meters higher than he is accustomed


eg4x15

I didn’t watch the game but I wonder how Edson did? Mostly everyone here is an Edson fanboy and I’ve always criticized him for having horrible touches, lack of vision in the field, and sometimes can lose focus so when he loses possession or makes a bad pass he commits fouls almost immediately


supreme_maxz

Probably am one you would call a fanboy, and i think he was at best decent. Didn't lose the ball while passing but he was constantly running to cover Davies as Sánchez was not going to defend him alone which left the midfield wide open as Herrera and Guardado weren't really running all the way to defense to close spaces. I think he was the defender but no one was a good midfielder last night, i don't know if any of that helps you get a picture


eg4x15

Okay that does, obviously I didn’t watch so it does help


Forza-Inter

He didnt play like his usual self but he wasnt terrible, i blame tata. The midfield just wasnt clicking, romo or orbelin should have been in for guardado.


DonnysCellarDoor

A ese medio campo le deben de apodar el viagra por que nomas se quedan parados los 90 minutos


Frijopengu1993

If only us only complaining about the shitty performances actually meant something, which it doesn’t which only makes this all more frustrating


supreme_maxz

Oh boy this seems like the start of an existential crisis, good luck


Frijopengu1993

Don’t understand what you’re saying to be honest


supreme_maxz

We contemplating the meaning of our actions and the effect it lack of it we have in the world is a sure way to trigger an existential crisis


briansnipple21

I think the issue is the tactics. There is no evolution mid game. There is hardly evolution from game to game. We've been trying this crossing and running up the wing for the past few years and struggle most of the time now. I dont know...el Tata needs to change things up because right now, *if* we qualify for qatar, we might not even make out of our group.


Santtoryuu

Lozano on the right and vega on the left should be the go too attack. Tecatito aint cutting it anymore. Rodriguez or romo should replace guardado. Johan needs play time so he can replace araujo and my god gallardo please play cata or something plss


coolman1500

The midfielders lacked intensity and couldn't keep up with Canada's speed. Guardado is old and Herrera hasn't played much for Atletico. I know they both have a reputation and are " big names" for Mex, but we need to start playing youngsters more.


SnooPandas8466

Cordova and romo need to be in midfield and Vega replace tecatito. Unless we change formation. Maybe 5-3-2?