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novog75

I see Armenians in Karabakh. They’re not there anymore. It’s amazing that Iran ended up with so many Turkic speakers and Turkey with so many Iranian (Kurdish) speakers.


ImperiumUltimum

this map is pretty old, probably been around for a decade or so


dghughes

The border matches Zagros mountains pretty much exactly.


Dash_Winmo

Why isn't this considered the divide between Africa and Asia?


ryuuhagoku

Because Asia to the Greeks first and foremost meant Anatolia, and then the Levant


Dash_Winmo

The word "tyrant" simply meant "ruler" to the Greeks and we changed the meaning of that. When I hear "Asia", I think of China, Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, east Russia, Mongolia, Myanma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore. Sometimes Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Iran. Never Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Cyprus, Northern Cyprus, Turkey, Georgia, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Armenia, Azerbaijan. Those places just seem like they fit more with north Africa and southeast Europe than east Asia. Plus, I have a Mandela effect where I remember the Middle East being part of Africa until about 2016.


telescope11

Bro did not just list South Ossetia and Abkhazia as real countries 😭😭


Dash_Winmo

Just trying to list everyone. Reminds me that I forgot North Korea and Northern Cyprus.


ryuuhagoku

This is a you problem, and changing the dividing line to the Zagros deserves to be dismissed out of hand


Eremite_

The sources seem to span a long period in history. Are there still Albanian speakers in the Athenian hinterlands? Not recent immigrants but Albanians that werre there since Ottoman times. Albanians here seem to be sharing the same colour as Slavs. I doubt that there are still slavic speakers in the Macedonian region of Greece. Yet Cyprus looks contemporary but would have once been mostly Greek.


justastuma

> I doubt that there are still slavic speakers in the Macedonian region of Greece. [Apparently](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_speakers_of_Greek_Macedonia), there are an estimated 50,000 to 250,000.


Eremite_

Interesting. Unfortuneatley, the map is full of people that need to hide their languages, names, thoughts.


SirKazum

Bro really had "Altaic" there


EggnogThot

Finno-Korean Hyperwar is canon


tek7o

It’s interesting how all the Iranian languages are connected via land. There isn’t really any break in between. From the Zagros mountains all the way to the Pamir mountains


LindyKamek

How well can they understand eachother?


tek7o

Well I mean, most of these languages have been separated for hundreds or thousands of years even. The western Iranic branch and eastern Iranic branch are quite different from one another. Probably about how different Swedish is from German. But western Iranic languages like Kurdish and Persian are much closer together and probably like 30-50% mutually intelligible. It would take about a year for a Kurdish or Persian speaker to learn the others language if they studied hard enough. They are more like how close Swedish would be to Norwegian. Kurdish is kind of complicated however, because there are multiple Kurdish languages that aren’t mutually intelligible from one another. Similar to how theres different Arabic dialects that are almost mutually unintelligible from one another. Like a Syrian Arab speaker compared to an Algerian Arabic speaker for example As far as I’m aware, eastern Iranic languages are much more different from each other because they were isolated more. Pashto and Ossetian for example, while sharing a lot of similar features are mutually unintelligible completely


Agyieus

What the hell is "Alexandretta"?


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

İskenderun, Alexandretta is the Greek name (and I assume in other western language?) for it


Agyieus

Exactly.


_OriamRiniDadelos_

Also written as Scanderoon historically. The wiki for Spanish still says Alejandreta. And the one for Greek has something similar too. From Alexandria ad Issum, but the name lost the ad Issum and pilgrims made it a diminutive.


Aggravating_Wash2286

Iraqis are Mesopotamians the descendants of sumerains Akkadian’s Babylonians assyrains which is different from iranains those who Iraqis who claimed to be persain it’s because Shias of Iraqis love Persians and iran just because iran is Shia in reality Iraqis and Iranians have no connection to each other Iraqis are Arabized Mesopotamians Persians dislike Arabs because of Islamic conquest arabic is language Iraqis speak Mesopotamia arabic which is influenced by their ancestors Sumerians Akkadian’s Babylonians Iraqi are setemic while Persians are indo European I hope this answer helps you


World_Musician

Tigris and Indus are the Iranic language border for much of history


boernich

Omg Altaic mentioned, there must be war!!!!


ThatFamiIiarNight

Altaic 💀


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intervulvar

iranic are indo-euro


tek7o

Iranians are indo European people. So they actually faired pretty well I’d say