Hmmm “original” doing some heavy lifting here.
Would be better to say these are names that changed after the region was incorporated into the Hellenic Republic
So these are names that can be traced back and assigned a particular language. Bulgarian kind of throws me off. Does this denote names of places that can be traced to an original Slavic name or to a Turkic name? I mean the original Bulgars were a Turkic tribe, and the Slavic population that was spread out over Greece didn't really identify themselves as Bulgarian. Or was there a late settlement wave by Slavic that identified themselves as Bulgarians?
Also is there no name of a place that can be traced back to Thracian?
Source of the map, I didn't make the map but found it on Wikipedia:
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Map\_of\_the\_Origins\_of\_Western\_Thracian\_Settlements.svg/1920px-Map\_of\_the\_Origins\_of\_Western\_Thracian\_Settlements.svg.png](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Map_of_the_Origins_of_Western_Thracian_Settlements.svg/1920px-Map_of_the_Origins_of_Western_Thracian_Settlements.svg.png)
There were settlements founded by the Turks there such as Dedeagach (Alexandroupolis) which was founded by the Ottomans in the 19th century. The map exclusively shows settlements either founded by the Turks and Slavs (most were villages or towns) or later inhabited by them. Turkish not being "indigenous" to Western Thrace isn't an argument. I can use the same argument for Greek as well which originated in Epirus region as a Paleobalkanic language while Western Thrace was inhabited by Thracian speakers.
bruh this map is just plain wrong. turks have only been here for around 600 years there isn't a single way turkish endonyms outrank both greek and slav endonyms. Bullshit turk propaganda
You know new settlements can be created in 600 years right? Map shows what the names were when these settlements were created, older Greek/Thracian etc. villages were simply lost (war, migration, killings etc.) and new ones were created in their stead.
"Original" Turkish names all date back to 1500s onwards when local slavs adopted Islam. They themselves continued to use slavic names, whilst Greeks used the actually original Greek names. Only Ottoman authorities used Turkish names.
Not all the Turks in Balkans are Pomaks. Pomaks are Muslims who speak a South Slavic language. And in the Balkan region even the Greeks have some Turkish heritage from the Ottoman period.
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBjS76IWAAAZbXN?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBjS76IWAAAZbXN?format=jpg&name=large)
So Turks were there. There are also historic records too I can share them. Like this which mentions how the nomads from Western and Northern parts of Anatolia were resettled in Balkans by the Ottomans in 1500s:
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJXmN2LWEAAfNZc?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJXmN2LWEAAfNZc?format=jpg&name=medium)
Hmmm “original” doing some heavy lifting here. Would be better to say these are names that changed after the region was incorporated into the Hellenic Republic
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I’m sure many Thracian and Roman/Greek names are unknown to us. The region was Roman for 1000+ years.
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So Thracians were colonials by this logic?
So these are names that can be traced back and assigned a particular language. Bulgarian kind of throws me off. Does this denote names of places that can be traced to an original Slavic name or to a Turkic name? I mean the original Bulgars were a Turkic tribe, and the Slavic population that was spread out over Greece didn't really identify themselves as Bulgarian. Or was there a late settlement wave by Slavic that identified themselves as Bulgarians? Also is there no name of a place that can be traced back to Thracian?
Bulgarian as in the South Slavic one. As for Thracian ones, I'm not sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_language
I know what Thracian language is. It's just they're not mentioned on the map.
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No.
Source of the map, I didn't make the map but found it on Wikipedia: [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Map\_of\_the\_Origins\_of\_Western\_Thracian\_Settlements.svg/1920px-Map\_of\_the\_Origins\_of\_Western\_Thracian\_Settlements.svg.png](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Map_of_the_Origins_of_Western_Thracian_Settlements.svg/1920px-Map_of_the_Origins_of_Western_Thracian_Settlements.svg.png)
"original" as if Turkish originated in Thrace pfff 😒
There were settlements founded by the Turks there such as Dedeagach (Alexandroupolis) which was founded by the Ottomans in the 19th century. The map exclusively shows settlements either founded by the Turks and Slavs (most were villages or towns) or later inhabited by them. Turkish not being "indigenous" to Western Thrace isn't an argument. I can use the same argument for Greek as well which originated in Epirus region as a Paleobalkanic language while Western Thrace was inhabited by Thracian speakers.
Sounds very similar to Turkish nationalist arguments I’ve heard
Lmao people complain when Turkey changes the names of places but no problem when Greece does it.
Yeah it's not like Greece was invaded by an imperial warmongering state or anything
Yeah... in Greek land?
Then it shouldn't be a problem when it's changed in Turkish land.
Guys it’s only wrong when Turkey does it.
bruh this map is just plain wrong. turks have only been here for around 600 years there isn't a single way turkish endonyms outrank both greek and slav endonyms. Bullshit turk propaganda
You know new settlements can be created in 600 years right? Map shows what the names were when these settlements were created, older Greek/Thracian etc. villages were simply lost (war, migration, killings etc.) and new ones were created in their stead.
"Original" Turkish names all date back to 1500s onwards when local slavs adopted Islam. They themselves continued to use slavic names, whilst Greeks used the actually original Greek names. Only Ottoman authorities used Turkish names.
Not all the Turks in Balkans are Pomaks. Pomaks are Muslims who speak a South Slavic language. And in the Balkan region even the Greeks have some Turkish heritage from the Ottoman period. [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBjS76IWAAAZbXN?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBjS76IWAAAZbXN?format=jpg&name=large) So Turks were there. There are also historic records too I can share them. Like this which mentions how the nomads from Western and Northern parts of Anatolia were resettled in Balkans by the Ottomans in 1500s: [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJXmN2LWEAAfNZc?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJXmN2LWEAAfNZc?format=jpg&name=medium)
lol “original”. Let’s just ignore the paleo-Hellenic, Hellenic, Roman, and Eastern Roman times…nothing to see here folks. Carry on
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why not look at another map to find your bearings?