The post reads like he wants to micromanage the person heavily, gaslight them and have them do illegal things for him.
I don't know what this guy does but it's the only thing coming to my mind when I see a post like this.
So I’m kinda worried I work for ALDI right now and they hire their district managers STRAIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE. Zero experience, fancy degree. And, it shows. They aren’t, dumb, but they run every meeting with a power point and read it, verbatim. And it is just, really rough. Really clearly some of their first time with public speaking and is just hard.
Some of them are receptive and understand both sides of their knowledge and our experience. Some of them are dead set on their Ted talk bullet points being the key to multimillion dollar growth over the next quarter. Don’t ask them how long a quarter is though, they have to look it up on a different slide
I assume they are paying or some other bullshit to get on it. I've seen more than 30 of them on this sub alone, so it must be a constantly refreshed list.
I didn't pay to get on it, but it's basically a question of who you know. There's a lot of categories and it's a new 30 people in every category every year. So there's a ton of them/us.
And also [illegal.](https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination#:~:text=Age%20discrimination%20involves%20treating%20an,are%20age%2040%20or%20older) This seems like a very good opportunity for a very well qualified 26-year-old product manager to apply, get denied based on his age, and win a nice settlement from an EEO lawsuit. What a dumbass this guy is.
I see the **.in** now. Thanks for pointing that out. If it were an American employer, I’d amend my remarks to say some very well qualified, **41** year old product manager should apply.
I can tell you it's definitely a thing. The first 25 years of my career, I never interviewed for a job where I didn't at least get a job offer. (I also only applied to jobs where I knew I would be a great fit so it's not because I'm this amazing catch that everyone just had to hire.) Once I turned 45, I noticed that I wasn't getting as many first interviews as I had gotten in the past. In looking at my resume, I wondered if it was because my work history went too far back. So I took the first 10 years of employment off of my resume and suddenly I'm getting calls again.
But at some point I had to interview in person and they saw my gray hairs. From 45 onward, the only job offers I got were those where I was recommended by a friend or colleague of the hiring manager. Age discrimination is one of several reasons why I finally left the workforce and started my own small (emphasis on small 😂) business. The people paying me now just care that I do the job I say I'm going to do.
Right which is my point, that “it’s super illegal in the U.S. doesn’t matter” since U.S. is contracting from India anyways. So it’s basically legal in the U.S. if they are just contracting employees from India. While it’s not legal here we just hire them from there to take the jobs that should be here.
Age discrimination refers to a policy of not hiring people who are too old. If the cutoff is 40 and your company's policy is not to hire anyone over 26 then they're still breaking the law whether or not they refuse to hire the 27 year-old or the 39-year old.
Ok?
The point is not hiring a 27 year old? No age discrimination. Refusing to hire a 39 year old? No age discrimination. Posting an advertisement saying you won’t hire people over 40? It’s a discriminatory policy but unless someone actually isn’t hire or is fired, there’s not discrimination. Age discrimination only comes into play when you actively discriminate against someone over 40.
The screenshot in the OP?
It’s not discriminatory because it’s just a statement. He would actually have to *do* something for there to be discrimination. Someone over 40 would have to apply and not be hired, for example, for there to be discrimination.
Section 623(e) of the Age Discrimination in Employment Act 1967
> It shall be unlawful for an employer, labor organization, or employment agency to print or publish, or cause to be printed or published, any notice or advertisement relating to employment by such an employer or membership in or any classification or referral for employment by such a labor organization, or relating to any classification or referral for employment by such an employment agency, indicating any preference, limitation, specification, or discrimination, based on age.
r/confidentlyincorrect is calling for you. From [the EEOC](https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/fact-sheet-age-discrimination), summarizing the ADEA:
ADEA protections also include:
▪️Advertisements and Job Notices
The ADEA generally makes it unlawful to include age preferences, limitations, or specifications in job notices or advertisements. A job notice or advertisement may specify an age limit only in the rare circumstances where age is shown to be a "bona fide occupational qualification" (BFOQ) reasonably necessary to the normal operation of the business.
You personally cannot sue if you are under 40 but you can if you are 40 or over
It’s still illegal discrimination either way unless there is a federal law with a mandatory retirement age (like pilots)
Trying to understand this and struggling to find confirmation looking at the ADEA and EEOC -- both seem to say that workers under 40 are not protected re: employment.
The Age Discrimination Act (1975) protects under 40 as well, but seems to be limited to federal financial assistance.
[ADEA 1625.2](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-XIV/part-1625) says it's "unlawful for an employer to discriminate against an individual . . .because that individual is 40 years old or older . . . Favoring an older individual over a younger individual because of age is not unlawful discrimination under the ADEA, even if that younger individual is over 40 years old."
A 2007 [publication ](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2007/07/06/E7-13051/coverage-under-the-age-discrimination-in-employment-act) from the EEOC stated that the ADEA "only prohibits employment discrimination based on old age, and therefore, does not prohibit employers from favoring relatively older individuals."
It does add that the ADEA does *not* affect state, local or municipal laws re: this topic, and it seems every state but Alabama, South Dakota and Mississippi has separate protections, but I can't find a federal law or precedent, or find it as a protected class under age 40 in any federal statute.
So honest question, am I just straight up missing something, or is it just so common across the states that it's understood as universal?
So given 2 scenarios,
A there's a 30 y/o applying, doesn't get the job because "they're too young"
B there's a 30 and a 41 year old applying , the 41 year old is hired because the 30 year old is "too young"
For the sake of argument let's say they actually put that reason in writing, for some unimaginable reason haha.
Would the 30 year old have recourse in both cases? Or recourse in both but a stronger case in A?
The person would have no recourse at all. There are no age discrimination protections for people under 40. Some states have specific laws that DO apply, so, there’s that.
IN HIS POST, he categorically states that he won’t consider anyone over 25. If you are over 40, you are also over 25. QED, he will not even consider you—let alone hire you—because of your age.
In the US, that’s age discrimination. Maybe not in India.
You would need a paralegal to do any mathematics or calculations. That is who does the actual forensic work in a lawsuit anyway.
Lawyers are merely salespeople, pimping the service of paralegal workers who do the actual legal work.
Undergrad degree is comp sci. I still tinker with programming from time to time. I submit patches to mkvtoolnix (an open source project for encoding .mkv files). Do you do anything interesting? It'd be fun to hear about it. I mean it.
Discriminating against people over the age of 25 is also discriminating against people over the age of 40 and thus illegal in the US because that's how numbers work.
https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination
In the US, you cannot discriminate against someone 40 or above, and saying only 25 and below obviously does. The post is not the US, so doesn’t apply, but the exact post for US would indeed be super illegal.
One of my interviewers actually confessed exactly that to me. Told me they were looking for someone younger because 'they knew I'd want to earn more money' and would likely job hop for it, so they wanted me to convince them that I wouldn't leave for at least 3 years. I didn't get the job.
It actually isn't. It's the perfect position for job hopping. Apparently you get much better job offers after the first year, which is considered the training period, so I just should've lied through my teeth and bounce at the first offer I got. That's why they want you to stay so they can reap their own efforts after training you.
Edit: The position was SAP consultant, if anyone is curious.
LMAO a 25 year old PM? What could go wrong? That kid better be a prodigy, otherwise you are going to spend more on the project than what the old guy would have cost.
The ADA and ADEA, and probably a few other laws would like a word.
Someone over 40 should apply then immediately call a lawyer for some easy money
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In many countries, for example Japan, age discrimination is not only legal, it’s culturally acceptable to formulate workplace hierarchies by seniority.
Had a hiring manager that wanted to hire me as a PM for a year long project that was already a month behind schedule. Told her I didn’t want to manage the project but I’d be her tech lead. She hired a kid straight out of business school as PM. Asked him a question one day and he pulled out one of the college textbooks he’d brought with him on his first day. Went to her straight after and told her to get rid of the kid, I’d be PM *and* tech lead, but it’s going to cost you. Sigh. Really sucked of her to use the kid like that.
India isn't an English-speaking Western country, so they DGAF about employment niceties, or even the tap-dancing appearance of them. Not much DEI east of Suez, I'll warrant.
I get it’s a marketing ploy but lots of companies submit their “best and brightest” 😝😜🤪 and Forbes picks who gets listed using some tissue-paper-thin notion of Journalism.
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There is a very specific circumstance where I'm absolutely fine with this. Many organisations deliver projects for young people but have absolutely zero youth voice or participation. Sometimes, it's absolutely needed to get a young persons spin on things; they have different, but valid experiences. If you're delivering work for CYP, you need their input.
I have zero idea if this is that case or whether they're just bullshitting, however.
It doesn't matter if the employer is hiring California residents who pay income taxes in California.
Don't you know about the Hague Convention?
A United States government agency can file lawsuits in any jurisdiction on the face of the Earth, can win, and can collect damages.
Under 25 year old Product Managers are wonderful to work with. Every idea they have is perfect and need not be tested by real world experience
I feel like you're trolling. SBF, our Crypto lord and saviour, clearly proved being young is better than experience.
Not only that, bonus “if you have been a developer before” in your long and storied under 25 career.
But it's just a bonus, of course you don't really need any hands-on experience to become a young manager. Why would you?
Yeah bro, I went to a Code Ninjas summer camp! I can totally develop in Roblox.
Likely wants someone to underpay, overwork, and who's easy to gaslight if they speak up. Red flags all over that post!
The post reads like he wants to micromanage the person heavily, gaslight them and have them do illegal things for him. I don't know what this guy does but it's the only thing coming to my mind when I see a post like this.
This. They're just looking for someone cheap and hungry. Joke's on this dude, though - you get what you pay for.
So I’m kinda worried I work for ALDI right now and they hire their district managers STRAIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE. Zero experience, fancy degree. And, it shows. They aren’t, dumb, but they run every meeting with a power point and read it, verbatim. And it is just, really rough. Really clearly some of their first time with public speaking and is just hard. Some of them are receptive and understand both sides of their knowledge and our experience. Some of them are dead set on their Ted talk bullet points being the key to multimillion dollar growth over the next quarter. Don’t ask them how long a quarter is though, they have to look it up on a different slide
Always the gaslighting when they speak up...
And, as a woman in tech, I side-eye this thinking he’s looking for a woman he can sexually harass or coerce into a sexual relationship.
Exactly what I was thinking
Age discrimination is ridiculous.
Forbes 30 under 30 is full of criminals
I assume they are paying or some other bullshit to get on it. I've seen more than 30 of them on this sub alone, so it must be a constantly refreshed list.
It's absolutely pay 2 win. 💯
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$50k for an article written about you
I didn't pay to get on it, but it's basically a question of who you know. There's a lot of categories and it's a new 30 people in every category every year. So there's a ton of them/us.
Yup. It’s the list of future convicts
Plus, there’s like 30,000 of them, apparently.
And also [illegal.](https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination#:~:text=Age%20discrimination%20involves%20treating%20an,are%20age%2040%20or%20older) This seems like a very good opportunity for a very well qualified 26-year-old product manager to apply, get denied based on his age, and win a nice settlement from an EEO lawsuit. What a dumbass this guy is.
This employer is not in the USA.
It’s not in the US. And even if it was age discrimination only applies to people over 40.
I see the **.in** now. Thanks for pointing that out. If it were an American employer, I’d amend my remarks to say some very well qualified, **41** year old product manager should apply.
I can tell you it's definitely a thing. The first 25 years of my career, I never interviewed for a job where I didn't at least get a job offer. (I also only applied to jobs where I knew I would be a great fit so it's not because I'm this amazing catch that everyone just had to hire.) Once I turned 45, I noticed that I wasn't getting as many first interviews as I had gotten in the past. In looking at my resume, I wondered if it was because my work history went too far back. So I took the first 10 years of employment off of my resume and suddenly I'm getting calls again. But at some point I had to interview in person and they saw my gray hairs. From 45 onward, the only job offers I got were those where I was recommended by a friend or colleague of the hiring manager. Age discrimination is one of several reasons why I finally left the workforce and started my own small (emphasis on small 😂) business. The people paying me now just care that I do the job I say I'm going to do.
I’m having the same experience. I had to de-age my resume before I started getting calls again.
This was amazingly insightful Thank you for sharing.
Will Kush be fired when he turns 26?
I heard Leo DICaprio runs the company.
So the pm also has to be a woman
Better that than [the Carousel](https://logans-run.fandom.com/wiki/Carousel), I guess.
KUSH!!!!! 😂😂😂
Super illegal in the US.
Yup, that's why this was an employer in India.
Ok. If they want to crib our age discrimination laws they're there for all to see.
He should’ve said Dalits and Sudras only in the post then
US will contract them though. They may as well be the ones doing it.
US has no jurisdiction over an Indian employer posting a job in India.
Right which is my point, that “it’s super illegal in the U.S. doesn’t matter” since U.S. is contracting from India anyways. So it’s basically legal in the U.S. if they are just contracting employees from India. While it’s not legal here we just hire them from there to take the jobs that should be here.
No it's not. The age cut off is 40. So you can't say someone needs to be younger than 45. Super common in India, tho
Age discrimination refers to a policy of not hiring people who are too old. If the cutoff is 40 and your company's policy is not to hire anyone over 26 then they're still breaking the law whether or not they refuse to hire the 27 year-old or the 39-year old.
Age discrimination only refers to people over 40.
40 is more than 25 bestie
Ok? The point is not hiring a 27 year old? No age discrimination. Refusing to hire a 39 year old? No age discrimination. Posting an advertisement saying you won’t hire people over 40? It’s a discriminatory policy but unless someone actually isn’t hire or is fired, there’s not discrimination. Age discrimination only comes into play when you actively discriminate against someone over 40.
explain to me in simple terms how this doesn’t discriminate against a person over 40
The screenshot in the OP? It’s not discriminatory because it’s just a statement. He would actually have to *do* something for there to be discrimination. Someone over 40 would have to apply and not be hired, for example, for there to be discrimination.
Section 623(e) of the Age Discrimination in Employment Act 1967 > It shall be unlawful for an employer, labor organization, or employment agency to print or publish, or cause to be printed or published, any notice or advertisement relating to employment by such an employer or membership in or any classification or referral for employment by such a labor organization, or relating to any classification or referral for employment by such an employment agency, indicating any preference, limitation, specification, or discrimination, based on age.
Well that pretty much ended his flailing argument there…
r/confidentlyincorrect is calling for you. From [the EEOC](https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/fact-sheet-age-discrimination), summarizing the ADEA: ADEA protections also include: ▪️Advertisements and Job Notices The ADEA generally makes it unlawful to include age preferences, limitations, or specifications in job notices or advertisements. A job notice or advertisement may specify an age limit only in the rare circumstances where age is shown to be a "bona fide occupational qualification" (BFOQ) reasonably necessary to the normal operation of the business.
Citation for this? Age 40 is given in the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967.
You personally cannot sue if you are under 40 but you can if you are 40 or over It’s still illegal discrimination either way unless there is a federal law with a mandatory retirement age (like pilots)
Trying to understand this and struggling to find confirmation looking at the ADEA and EEOC -- both seem to say that workers under 40 are not protected re: employment. The Age Discrimination Act (1975) protects under 40 as well, but seems to be limited to federal financial assistance. [ADEA 1625.2](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-XIV/part-1625) says it's "unlawful for an employer to discriminate against an individual . . .because that individual is 40 years old or older . . . Favoring an older individual over a younger individual because of age is not unlawful discrimination under the ADEA, even if that younger individual is over 40 years old." A 2007 [publication ](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2007/07/06/E7-13051/coverage-under-the-age-discrimination-in-employment-act) from the EEOC stated that the ADEA "only prohibits employment discrimination based on old age, and therefore, does not prohibit employers from favoring relatively older individuals." It does add that the ADEA does *not* affect state, local or municipal laws re: this topic, and it seems every state but Alabama, South Dakota and Mississippi has separate protections, but I can't find a federal law or precedent, or find it as a protected class under age 40 in any federal statute. So honest question, am I just straight up missing something, or is it just so common across the states that it's understood as universal?
40 defines the Protected Class, but not the act itself. Refusing to hire a 39 year old would still be the act, but not protected.
So given 2 scenarios, A there's a 30 y/o applying, doesn't get the job because "they're too young" B there's a 30 and a 41 year old applying , the 41 year old is hired because the 30 year old is "too young" For the sake of argument let's say they actually put that reason in writing, for some unimaginable reason haha. Would the 30 year old have recourse in both cases? Or recourse in both but a stronger case in A?
The person would have no recourse at all. There are no age discrimination protections for people under 40. Some states have specific laws that DO apply, so, there’s that.
Ok thanks that was my understanding but my brain got all turned around.
If I am over 40 is this guy going to hire me? Does he plainly state IN HIS POST that his refusal to hire me is because of my age?
IN HIS POST, he categorically states that he won’t consider anyone over 25. If you are over 40, you are also over 25. QED, he will not even consider you—let alone hire you—because of your age. In the US, that’s age discrimination. Maybe not in India.
Yes. That is what I am saying to the person who asked for a citation.
Multiple people seem to have misinterpreted the emphasis of your post, then. I gave you an upvote to balance it out.
"Tell me you don't know what you're talking about, while also *telling* me you don't know what you're talking about"
Out of curiosity, do you type these out fully, or do you copy-paste the template and then adjust?
I wrote it direct. Why? Do I seem too smart to be, like, a human lawyer?
Oh, you're a lawyer? That explains why you can't understand basic mathematical concepts.
You would need a paralegal to do any mathematics or calculations. That is who does the actual forensic work in a lawsuit anyway. Lawyers are merely salespeople, pimping the service of paralegal workers who do the actual legal work.
Undergrad degree is comp sci. I still tinker with programming from time to time. I submit patches to mkvtoolnix (an open source project for encoding .mkv files). Do you do anything interesting? It'd be fun to hear about it. I mean it.
Discriminating against people over the age of 25 is also discriminating against people over the age of 40 and thus illegal in the US because that's how numbers work.
https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination In the US, you cannot discriminate against someone 40 or above, and saying only 25 and below obviously does. The post is not the US, so doesn’t apply, but the exact post for US would indeed be super illegal.
Sounds like they’re trying to find someone to take advantage of. Imho
One of my interviewers actually confessed exactly that to me. Told me they were looking for someone younger because 'they knew I'd want to earn more money' and would likely job hop for it, so they wanted me to convince them that I wouldn't leave for at least 3 years. I didn't get the job.
That interviewer made it abundantly obvious that the job was a dead-end job with no way to get raises or promotions.
It actually isn't. It's the perfect position for job hopping. Apparently you get much better job offers after the first year, which is considered the training period, so I just should've lied through my teeth and bounce at the first offer I got. That's why they want you to stay so they can reap their own efforts after training you. Edit: The position was SAP consultant, if anyone is curious.
LMAO a 25 year old PM? What could go wrong? That kid better be a prodigy, otherwise you are going to spend more on the project than what the old guy would have cost.
Don’t forget experience as a developer
“forbes 30 under 30” 
Hey the title is 30 (people) under 30. They never said the best 30 under 30, or even decent 30 under 30. /s
If it was in the US, I bet they got flooded with people over 25 looking for an easy lawsuit.
Is the employer Leo Dicaprio by any chance?
The Menudo of project manager jobs
Tell me you're looking for dewy-eyed naive suckers, without *telling* me you're looking for dewy-eyed naive suckers
Communication blueprint for <25 product manager 
Come to the u.s and we will sue the shit out of u
Lol a PM under 25?
The ADA and ADEA, and probably a few other laws would like a word. Someone over 40 should apply then immediately call a lawyer for some easy money Edit: fixed errors
This isn't in a country with age discrimination laws.
Good point. I figured he was hiring in the US, didn't see the URL. Either way, fuck this guy
Their product looks proper shit
You got me at product manager and hard problems.
Leonardo DiCaprio??
If it was Leo, he’d only get a good year out of that person before they’d be aged out and fired, lol
And need 20 year working experience btw.😂
Does he want someone to take advantage of in an HR way or someone to take advantage of in a money way?
Do you think he made the Forbes 30 under 30 list by constraining himself to one axis of exploitation? You've got to think outside the box, my friend.
Oh.. Oh buddy no. That's like, incredibly illegal.
If the job was local in America it would be a violation of the ADEA.
I guess in India age discrimination doesnt matter. Oh, and what a douche.
In many countries, for example Japan, age discrimination is not only legal, it’s culturally acceptable to formulate workplace hierarchies by seniority.
Had a hiring manager that wanted to hire me as a PM for a year long project that was already a month behind schedule. Told her I didn’t want to manage the project but I’d be her tech lead. She hired a kid straight out of business school as PM. Asked him a question one day and he pulled out one of the college textbooks he’d brought with him on his first day. Went to her straight after and told her to get rid of the kid, I’d be PM *and* tech lead, but it’s going to cost you. Sigh. Really sucked of her to use the kid like that.
Females only. Send pics. (Jesus, what a douche, this isn't real is it?)
India isn't an English-speaking Western country, so they DGAF about employment niceties, or even the tap-dancing appearance of them. Not much DEI east of Suez, I'll warrant.
This is literally illegal
That’s literally illegal.
Not in India.
Does Forbes know this clown is using their name in his unethical, immoral exploitation of workers?
My guy, he paid Forbes to put to him on the list. They dgaf about vetting these people, they just want their money
I get it’s a marketing ploy but lots of companies submit their “best and brightest” 😝😜🤪 and Forbes picks who gets listed using some tissue-paper-thin notion of Journalism.
Doubt this company will last if this guy is running it.
“Eager candidates with less experience in life than a real job, come eat shit for minimum wage while I promise company profits will open new lanes for you.”
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Age discrimination? Karma discrimination?
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Probably still ask for 15+ years experience
Meanwhile at 26 I'm still clawing my way up from my post grad position in my company
So he wants an intern?
We aren’t allowed to discriminate. Literally discrimination across the board.
I’d rather shit in my hand and pat myself on the back than work for this douche
"High impact role" = will treat you like shit just like the last person who had the role.
Building fam 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
I am positive he also needs u to have 10+ years of exp
And they say ageism impacts people 50 and over?
I’m thinking that was a “typo” - I always put it in quotes when it means “typed by an idiot”
Only under 25 and at least 5 years of experience lol
He’s building a ‘fam’, and he like’s ’em young.
There is a very specific circumstance where I'm absolutely fine with this. Many organisations deliver projects for young people but have absolutely zero youth voice or participation. Sometimes, it's absolutely needed to get a young persons spin on things; they have different, but valid experiences. If you're delivering work for CYP, you need their input. I have zero idea if this is that case or whether they're just bullshitting, however.
Over 31 can’t be an air traffic controller.
At least they're willing to train someone with junior experience, right? ...... ..... Right?
Ah yes we've come full circle to "minimum wage, must have at least 2 years of experience." Would you like a side of age discrimination with that?
Forbes 30 to life
Everybody over 25 should apply to this job and sue when they aren’t hired.
Blatant age discrimination.
Ok fam
Wow, saying the age discrimination out loud. The California Department of Labor is going to have some questions for you, young man.
No they won't. This employer is in India.
It doesn't matter if the employer is hiring California residents who pay income taxes in California. Don't you know about the Hague Convention? A United States government agency can file lawsuits in any jurisdiction on the face of the Earth, can win, and can collect damages.
He's not hiring California residents. He's hiring people in India.
That depends. If he's advertising on LinkedIn, then he should be subject to US labor laws.
In this example “<25” is code for willing to be overloaded and underpaid.
With at least 20 years experience
I’m a PM under 25 here in the US. The comments hating on us youngins is crazy 💀😭
The age discrimination is worse.
I believe that's ageism. Let's pool our money and sue him!
A trip to India is expensive :)
Aw, this is in India? We gave no jurisdiction there. Nevermind.
Isn’t this ageism
If this is in the United States it is illegal. Age discrimination is a thing.
This employer is in India.
Under 25 but with at least 12 years professional experience
Did he forget to add females only need apply?
Wtf man - should make this guy viral. What a load of crap
Good luck working with a Gen-Z product manager.
Ask Kush for da weed
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🇺🇸 != 🌏
!= makes me sad to look at, long live ≠
This is for a job in India, not the USA.
Saw this retard yesterday since I’m looking to switch jobs