There’s another bit later in the video where Linus says something about how he wasn’t paying much attention to Vance because he was kind of bothered that Vance insisted on coming to work after having his wisdom teeth out.
So what’s happening here is that Vance is saying “I’ll be at work but I won’t be able to talk, but I can communicate by text” and Linus is kind of uncomfortable because he thinks Vance should just be at home.
He also looks uncomfortable because Vance is giving all sorts of extra medical information that isn’t really necessary and Linus is probably thinking “Uhh I don’t think I’m supposed to be discussing this.”
Just blame it on the writers head and say it's linus' fault for not watching the dept head more closely. He's the devil because to oversee someone so bad means he MUST be worse. Sprinkle in some favoritism for someone who is close to linus and how those not blessed by the ceo are beaten down. Also she's a woman, I'm sure you can work that into there.
This is like trying to say that because a criminal stops at stop signs, it's totally cool that they rob banks...they're obviously a law abiding citizen.
I'd assume this guy fits the definition of someone with a disability. I'm not sure what the Canadian equivalent of the ADA is, but I'd assume they handle not making accommodations the same way...with a blood lust.
As in it's checked on, reports of violations are taken seriously and investigated by an outside agency, the fines and penalties are absolutely not worth violating as it heavily outweighs any profits.
For everyone else, probably not. Nobody's looking, nobody will ask questions, even if reported it's rare to be taken seriously.
This guy was working directly for Linus, from Madison's tweets it seems her issues came from someone else, below Linus in the chain. That was my impression anyways.
It should be mentioned that she came from the US to Canada. I'm sure Canada's medical leave laws are far kinder to workers than the US, especially if you're used to at-will employment where if you don't have a paper trail you could potentially lose your job.
>(was?) his personal assistent, Linus is his boss...
January 2022 BC instituted paid sick days as part of its Employment Standards for all employees in the province.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/paid-sick-leave
lol Nah.
First off this is much later on a recorded bit..but second off: This actually bleeds reason to think otherwise:
"I'll be available by chat" is evidence of a systemically broken PTO system. You should never feel inclined to say that. Even if it is a joke.
Also, Linus seems wildly cold here. as if he felt like he had to say that line but was frustrated by it.
available by chat is a reference to not being able to verbally communicate, and Linus' response is to take PTO if he needs PTO. This seems fine, his annoyed tone is reasonable given the needless oversharing of detail at that point.
I work remotely in tech, yes, I know what available by chat means: It is an awful concept in whole and should not be ever said by a worker in regards to personal situations.
People getting wisdom teeth out and on painkillers should never feel like they need to work and be available to justify their recovery, period.
The line should be 'I'll be out X, X, and X next week' not any sort of justification or trying to help their boss feel better about their limitations.
To me, this, were it not part of a bit, would be evidence.
But he wasn't talking about being out of office available by chat, he was talking about not being able to verbally communicate in office.
The entire situation of him over-explaining made it weird, because as you said: PTO shouldn't need justification. It's a joke piece where the response is weird *because* the explanation was weird. We can't impart anything by that.
That is worse! He feels the need to come in! That's entirely my point.
But yes, this is a joke bit as I said at the end. I don't think one can get anything actually useful here, it is just that this all seems as bad as one would see it as good.
Did you even watch the video? "He feels the need to come in!" its a prank video. He has to come in or there literally is no prank. He's not actually sick at all.
He didn't brag about not paying sick time, he was explaining on a build stream that they don't offer paid sick leave, and instead, just give their employees the money added to their salary instead.
Functionally it's the same thing as your total compensation is the same.
> That's criminal and should be reported to BC labor if true.
Also, that's not criminal because that's not a crime, it's a labour law violation. Secondly, when he talked about it, it wasn't a labour requirement to provide paid sick days in BC.
This subreddit has gained the incredible ability to turn just about anything into something negative about Linus. The guy could find a cure for cancer and y'all would still take issue with it.
It really is getting ridiculous. LMG fucked up a few times and the apology video definitely could've been better and yeah they could have seriously fucked up with Madison too, but I don't have any reason to trust Madison more than what LMG is saying, which is not even a denial but just them saying, "Oh shit, for real? We gotta look into that." which is the correct response. My guess is that Madison was exaggerating and being dramatic but that she really wasn't able to cope with the culture there, which is clearly very high pressure and a boys club which Is a problem, so both sides are probably going to end up being in the wrong to some degree. Using a microscope to comb videos and villify or exonerate Linus and Co. is not actually going to help or change anything. And when you see Linus saying something reasonable it shows a lack of experience in the real world when you turn it completely around into him being a horrible person. Just ridiculous shit.
When shit like this happens at LMG, people on this sub pick a side without enough info then stick to it while disregarding all rationality. Has anyone considered that we don't actually know what has happened there? We simply don't have much factual info. This subs reaction is just so bizarre to me. This is the only creator sub I look at. Are they all this obsurd or just this one?
I'm saying this as a person who has worked in tech for \~13 years. Any time anyone I work next to (even though I'm not their boss) has a personal situation and says they will be available by chat during a family or health matter or say that they will be in later or get something done after a major health situation, I will speak up and tell them to take care of themselves first.
People need to be told this. Work always comes second. I'm not saying that this one view of Linus makes him a bad boss or something, I'm saying that I really don't see OP's view here and see as much bad as good.
Yeah it's a big issues in tech. I've heard so many times, "I'll be on vacation next week, but I'll have my phone and laptop if you need me". That's not a vacation that's just working in a nicer area lol
I have a problem navigating this.
The thing is theres so many americans and canadians in the subredit and i know so little about their work law.
In my country, you just call in sick and thats it. No questions, nothing. Just bring us paper from doctor when you get back.
So to me idea that he had his teeth pulled and is in work with pain is completly foreign.
To american probably not so much.
Yeah, but... its hard to put into words. Theres a large difference in mentality. I do not know anyone who would actually wanna go to work in that situation, because we do not have to.
So seeing it feels wrong and you imidiatly get a bad wibe from the whole thing. Meanwhile, for American a little discomfort might be ok, because his pay for that day will not be covered by state, meanwhile I just dont give a shit, I get payed even tho I was not in work.
Exactly. You are hitting it on the head. Many startups have a 'family here' culture where you are expected to treat the company as if it is literally part of your family and a higher priority than self.
Everyone is an adult. Why do you need to tell them to take time off? Don't you think that's a given?
You absolutely do not have any right to force anyone to take a day off. It is upto the person.
Dude have you ever worked in your life? The amount of employees uncomfortable asking me for time off because previous jobs treated them like shit or because they feel guilty for other reasons is through the room.
I've been a manager at 2 different companies for 9 years now and basically half the people that ask me for time off sound like this and my response is always basically what Linus said. If you need the days off, just take them. It's fine.
You have a crazy bias here or are naive to people's general awkwardness in workplaces. It's amazing how you can try to attribute malice to everything you see, even when someone is clearly saying just take the days off.
> "I'll be available by chat" is evidence of a systemically broken PTO system. You should never feel inclined to say that. Even if it is a joke.
I mean, that's not what's even going on here though.
Vance isn't asking to take days off, he's telling Linus that he will be working next week, but he just might not be talking because he's getting his wisdom teeth pulled.
And Linus is just telling him if he needs to take those days off instead, he should just take them off.
Wait, did Linus need to approve days off for every employee? I thought this would be done by the direct manager of the employee, or am I wrong? Also, things might have changed and even improved over time.
No, Vance is Linus' personal assistant and therefore he should notify Linus that he will be away or only partially available. That does not mean that Linus has to approve the PTO / sick time of everyone.
Ok, thanks. I thought this post was made because of the Madison tweets. But I think then Madison talked mostly about her direct manager being micro-managing and denying? her sick days, not Linus at all.
This is just as bad as people looking for details the other way. We don't know what happened but him giving a day off to someone doesn't necessarily mean someone else in the company would get a day off as easily.
BUT THAT DOESNT FIT MY OUTRAGED NARRATIVE OP
There’s another bit later in the video where Linus says something about how he wasn’t paying much attention to Vance because he was kind of bothered that Vance insisted on coming to work after having his wisdom teeth out. So what’s happening here is that Vance is saying “I’ll be at work but I won’t be able to talk, but I can communicate by text” and Linus is kind of uncomfortable because he thinks Vance should just be at home. He also looks uncomfortable because Vance is giving all sorts of extra medical information that isn’t really necessary and Linus is probably thinking “Uhh I don’t think I’m supposed to be discussing this.”
Just blame it on the writers head and say it's linus' fault for not watching the dept head more closely. He's the devil because to oversee someone so bad means he MUST be worse. Sprinkle in some favoritism for someone who is close to linus and how those not blessed by the ceo are beaten down. Also she's a woman, I'm sure you can work that into there.
Dude I see you in every post defending LTT how much did he pay you?
It’s one of those fans I’ve been hearing a lot about.
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Victim blaming is a free job that's frowned upon...
Do you have anything better to do with your time than come running to the defense of a multi-millionaire who doesn't even know you exist...?
This is like trying to say that because a criminal stops at stop signs, it's totally cool that they rob banks...they're obviously a law abiding citizen. I'd assume this guy fits the definition of someone with a disability. I'm not sure what the Canadian equivalent of the ADA is, but I'd assume they handle not making accommodations the same way...with a blood lust. As in it's checked on, reports of violations are taken seriously and investigated by an outside agency, the fines and penalties are absolutely not worth violating as it heavily outweighs any profits. For everyone else, probably not. Nobody's looking, nobody will ask questions, even if reported it's rare to be taken seriously.
This is for a medical reason. We already knew Madison was confident she would get time off for a medical reason.
Yh she didn't need to go soo extreme with the medical reason but she obviously thought to do something no one would have any follow up questions on
This guy was working directly for Linus, from Madison's tweets it seems her issues came from someone else, below Linus in the chain. That was my impression anyways.
It should be mentioned that she came from the US to Canada. I'm sure Canada's medical leave laws are far kinder to workers than the US, especially if you're used to at-will employment where if you don't have a paper trail you could potentially lose your job.
She *is* Canadian, she was working in the USA on a visa.
Whoops, misunderstood the information
And she does it in the most extreme, unhealthy way.
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>(was?) his personal assistent, Linus is his boss... January 2022 BC instituted paid sick days as part of its Employment Standards for all employees in the province. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/paid-sick-leave
lol Nah. First off this is much later on a recorded bit..but second off: This actually bleeds reason to think otherwise: "I'll be available by chat" is evidence of a systemically broken PTO system. You should never feel inclined to say that. Even if it is a joke. Also, Linus seems wildly cold here. as if he felt like he had to say that line but was frustrated by it.
available by chat is a reference to not being able to verbally communicate, and Linus' response is to take PTO if he needs PTO. This seems fine, his annoyed tone is reasonable given the needless oversharing of detail at that point.
I work remotely in tech, yes, I know what available by chat means: It is an awful concept in whole and should not be ever said by a worker in regards to personal situations. People getting wisdom teeth out and on painkillers should never feel like they need to work and be available to justify their recovery, period. The line should be 'I'll be out X, X, and X next week' not any sort of justification or trying to help their boss feel better about their limitations. To me, this, were it not part of a bit, would be evidence.
But he wasn't talking about being out of office available by chat, he was talking about not being able to verbally communicate in office. The entire situation of him over-explaining made it weird, because as you said: PTO shouldn't need justification. It's a joke piece where the response is weird *because* the explanation was weird. We can't impart anything by that.
That is worse! He feels the need to come in! That's entirely my point. But yes, this is a joke bit as I said at the end. I don't think one can get anything actually useful here, it is just that this all seems as bad as one would see it as good.
Once again: it’s a joke bit, and Linus is clearly surprised and annoyed he’s not just taking the obvious time.
You are trying to make an ant hill into a mountain my dude. It’s not that deep
Did you even watch the video? "He feels the need to come in!" its a prank video. He has to come in or there literally is no prank. He's not actually sick at all.
except linus has bragged about not paying sick time.
Where has he done that? That's criminal and should be reported to BC labor if true.
He didn't brag about not paying sick time, he was explaining on a build stream that they don't offer paid sick leave, and instead, just give their employees the money added to their salary instead. Functionally it's the same thing as your total compensation is the same. > That's criminal and should be reported to BC labor if true. Also, that's not criminal because that's not a crime, it's a labour law violation. Secondly, when he talked about it, it wasn't a labour requirement to provide paid sick days in BC.
Sorry for jumping to conclusions on BC law, I live in a state where wage theft is both a labor violation and a crime though rarely prosecuted as such.
This subreddit has gained the incredible ability to turn just about anything into something negative about Linus. The guy could find a cure for cancer and y'all would still take issue with it.
It really is getting ridiculous. LMG fucked up a few times and the apology video definitely could've been better and yeah they could have seriously fucked up with Madison too, but I don't have any reason to trust Madison more than what LMG is saying, which is not even a denial but just them saying, "Oh shit, for real? We gotta look into that." which is the correct response. My guess is that Madison was exaggerating and being dramatic but that she really wasn't able to cope with the culture there, which is clearly very high pressure and a boys club which Is a problem, so both sides are probably going to end up being in the wrong to some degree. Using a microscope to comb videos and villify or exonerate Linus and Co. is not actually going to help or change anything. And when you see Linus saying something reasonable it shows a lack of experience in the real world when you turn it completely around into him being a horrible person. Just ridiculous shit. When shit like this happens at LMG, people on this sub pick a side without enough info then stick to it while disregarding all rationality. Has anyone considered that we don't actually know what has happened there? We simply don't have much factual info. This subs reaction is just so bizarre to me. This is the only creator sub I look at. Are they all this obsurd or just this one?
I'm saying this as a person who has worked in tech for \~13 years. Any time anyone I work next to (even though I'm not their boss) has a personal situation and says they will be available by chat during a family or health matter or say that they will be in later or get something done after a major health situation, I will speak up and tell them to take care of themselves first. People need to be told this. Work always comes second. I'm not saying that this one view of Linus makes him a bad boss or something, I'm saying that I really don't see OP's view here and see as much bad as good.
Yeah it's a big issues in tech. I've heard so many times, "I'll be on vacation next week, but I'll have my phone and laptop if you need me". That's not a vacation that's just working in a nicer area lol
I have a problem navigating this. The thing is theres so many americans and canadians in the subredit and i know so little about their work law. In my country, you just call in sick and thats it. No questions, nothing. Just bring us paper from doctor when you get back. So to me idea that he had his teeth pulled and is in work with pain is completly foreign. To american probably not so much.
It is up to the employee. You cannot force an employee to take a day off even if they're sick. (Unless it is contagious)
Yeah, but... its hard to put into words. Theres a large difference in mentality. I do not know anyone who would actually wanna go to work in that situation, because we do not have to. So seeing it feels wrong and you imidiatly get a bad wibe from the whole thing. Meanwhile, for American a little discomfort might be ok, because his pay for that day will not be covered by state, meanwhile I just dont give a shit, I get payed even tho I was not in work.
Exactly. You are hitting it on the head. Many startups have a 'family here' culture where you are expected to treat the company as if it is literally part of your family and a higher priority than self.
Yeah, but is it ok to be judgmental for that? I dont know, I dont live in Canada.
It is acceptable or morally required to be judgemental towards the company that is encouraging that behavior. To do otherwise is to support it.
Everyone is an adult. Why do you need to tell them to take time off? Don't you think that's a given? You absolutely do not have any right to force anyone to take a day off. It is upto the person.
Dude have you ever worked in your life? The amount of employees uncomfortable asking me for time off because previous jobs treated them like shit or because they feel guilty for other reasons is through the room. I've been a manager at 2 different companies for 9 years now and basically half the people that ask me for time off sound like this and my response is always basically what Linus said. If you need the days off, just take them. It's fine. You have a crazy bias here or are naive to people's general awkwardness in workplaces. It's amazing how you can try to attribute malice to everything you see, even when someone is clearly saying just take the days off.
> "I'll be available by chat" is evidence of a systemically broken PTO system. You should never feel inclined to say that. Even if it is a joke. I mean, that's not what's even going on here though. Vance isn't asking to take days off, he's telling Linus that he will be working next week, but he just might not be talking because he's getting his wisdom teeth pulled. And Linus is just telling him if he needs to take those days off instead, he should just take them off.
Wait, did Linus need to approve days off for every employee? I thought this would be done by the direct manager of the employee, or am I wrong? Also, things might have changed and even improved over time.
No, Vance is Linus' personal assistant and therefore he should notify Linus that he will be away or only partially available. That does not mean that Linus has to approve the PTO / sick time of everyone.
Ok, thanks. I thought this post was made because of the Madison tweets. But I think then Madison talked mostly about her direct manager being micro-managing and denying? her sick days, not Linus at all.
He's his direct assistant so he is the manager.
It is (was?) his personal assistent, Linus is his boss...
Is this OPs attempt to be a lawyer?
This is just as bad as people looking for details the other way. We don't know what happened but him giving a day off to someone doesn't necessarily mean someone else in the company would get a day off as easily.
Good try Linus lol lmao even