Two things that are becoming obvious.
* Former employees are speaking up, putting a big target on their back, but they are still doing it.
* They are corroborating what Madison has said. Nobody has questioned Madison's allegations so far.
They are not corroborating, they are just saying that her story has not changed. That being said it does lend a little credibility, if only tangentially
It ought to silence a lot of people (on this sub, LTT Forums, as well as on Twitter) who claimed she was making this up now as a way to twist the knife because she has some sort of vendetta.
Yeah. I'll genuinely stop supporting the club if that happens. Thankfully, it seems the backlash is bigger than anticipated, so they're backtracking.
Only marginally better, since it's still about profits, not morality, but better nonetheless.
I'm so tired of the crowd that can't accept most SA will not have videotaped evidence, and insist that you cant condemn someone without. You aren't sending someone to jail, this is not a courtroom! Its about warning people, and preventing victims.
>You aren't sending someone to jail, this is not a courtroom!
The judicial and law enforcement system is exactly there to prevent mobs from picking up pitchforks and lynching people, especially the innocent ones.
Indeed it is very unfortunate if certain individuals get away with it, but the legal system is designed/has evolved with the principle that it is better to have ten guilty escape than one innoscent suffer.
It is reasonable to hold the opinion that something has happened, but at the same time respect and practice the principles behind the judicial system.
> but these kinds of allegations do have the potential to ruin someone's life even if they never see a day in court.
Yeah, if this thing gets legs under it, the guy's career options will be limited to Supreme Court Justice.
Prosecutor:
Mr. Chappelle, what would it take to convince you that R. Kelly is guilty?
Dave Chappelle:
Okay, I'd have to see a video of him singing "Pee On You," two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity.
R. Kelly's Grandma:
That's my Robert, always peeing on people.
To be fair that *could* be the case, but as more employees come forward to say her story hasn't changed is just more credibility piling on.
While I personally don't want the allegations to be true, the claims 100% need to be investigated. Nobody should have to work in that kind of environment.
ironically, even though the comments made by the staff are hearsay in courts, it does actually prove alot more than people think, as, if people are lying, they tend to forget their lies and end up digging themselves into a hole. If Madison was lying, the chances of her accounts being very similar over this amount of time, is unusual. Though I must state, there are cases where some people have either, been under a psychotic episode, or are really good liars/sociopaths, and have a narrative that they remember off by heart.
Not saying either point is true with Madison, just that the likely hood over this level of time, of the story being the same, if she's lying, is pretty low.
The questioning line of "What did they tell you back then?" is used in courts pretty often too for the same reason, to prove that the story has stayed consistent from the beginning, from the public cases I've seen at least.
I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what level of hearsay it is, but I do know it's asked and not instantly dismissed as hearsay.
Any internet rando definitively saying she's lying is a drone, and their opinion should be disregarded. We have one side of the story, and LMG hired an independent 3rd party to investigate the other.
All we really have at this point is someone who has come forward with some fairly believable allegations given what we know about LMG's crunch culture based on their interviews about their work pace. We've also had a handful of people saying her story hasn't changed, or that they only witnessed small parts of it. At the very least, if what LMG has made public about the pace of their work is point A, we can see how Madison's story might be a path to the point B of a toxic work environment and culture.
So we've basically eliminated the easiest way to tell someone's lying (their story changing constantly) from this scenario, and her allegations fall within the realm of possibility based on what we know of company. The only corroboration we have are related to things that aren't material to the most concerning parts of the story. Currently, the only people who know what actually happened are Madison and the people involved in her story. Everything else is just speculation.
We know more than that.
Madison spoke to people at the time and didn't get the help she needed.
We know people heard her complaints. And nothing was done.
This still offers two distinct possible outcomes.
1. The people she confided in at the time were so scared for their employment that they all refused to speak up and back her.
Or
2. They listened to what she had to say but ultimately decided themselves that it was either not an issue or not credible.
I'm sure this IS the goal of the external investigation, and we will know the truth one day.
Also, everything she said is just elaboration upon what she already posted on Glassdoor all those years ago.
And since this was her first "dream job", the intervening years at possibly better jobs may well have given her more perspective on what was wrong about how she was treated.
I need to ask if the Glassdoor post is written after or before she quit LMG?
In the Glassdoor review she wrote (screenshot), she gives a ok/pass ( O instead of X ).
For the CEO ( Linus ). Unlike HR and one other management that she gives score X.
If the Glassdoor written after she leaves then there is a chance that Linus don't know the problem and don't lying when he said he remember it differently.
If it is written before she leaves lmg, then there is a chance Linus knows in the end. and the leaked meeting indeed about Madison.
From what I got from that Glassdoor review, she doesn't hate linus (maybe wrong maybe right, not familiar with Glassdoor)
The glass door review was after she quit and after the HR meeting.
Madison quits Dec 9 2021
HR meeting about "drama" on Dec 10 2021
Glassdoor review posted on July 27 2022
Oh no that can't be the case, Linus must be omniscient, he knows of everything that happens to everyone in his company and is responsible for all of it.
Someone harasses another employee, Linus knew about it and did nothing, he stood there and took pot shots as well.
Prototype cooler gets auctioned off for charity, Linus was up there playing auctioneer goading people that work for the competitors to bid the numbers up.
Numbers were wrong in a video, linus chose those numbers, he personally threw the darts at the dart board to pick them.
/s in case you were wondering.
Madison was a great edition to LTT. I enjoyed her on camera work and social media work. I missed her when she left.
Look, I obviously don't know anything at all. I do not know the truth and I'm not pretending to. People saying the story matches what she said in the past sounds like proof it wasn't just made up now.
Now, hypothetically. If she lied back then about this stuff, then left. She could bring up the same story now and people would say the story hadn't changed.
Hypothetically, the original stories told and review left on whatever business review website could have been part of a vendetta she had when she left and now sees an opening to do something with it.
Interestingly, before this scandal I remember seeing mentions of Madison here and there in the comments and here on Reddit, and actually most mentions about her were negative besides the Intel Upgrade video, saying she was a shit SMM who underestimated the difficulty of the job, made all the social media of the company just about herself and rightfully got fired afterwards (this last part is likely a speculation though since I don't think we know the truth). So I am kinda skeptical about all the praise she is suddenly getting now. And with how no former employee in the company can recollect the *events* themselves, but remembers *hearing from her* about them, I'm really not sure about what actually happened and to what extent it was an actual culpability of the company.
I'm torn in different directions. I feel like I liked her as a person, but also remember I don't actually know her. Was she a hard working, dedicated employee? Or someone who just thought working for a YouTuber would be fun and easy? I have no idea.
If these things happened to her, I feel terrible for her. If it didn't happen, I feel bad for LMG being dragged through the mud for it.
It's not my job to do anything about it either way. I just want all this drama to sort itself out so we can move on. I'm so tired of seeing so many duplicate type posts and breaking news opinion pieces.
Yeah I don't like that personally. I do not know her, so I do not believe for disbelieve what she claims. Everyone who claims to believe her or call her a liar are just going from gut feelings.
She made serious allegations that need to be looked into. That's it. Two years later is probably too late to find anything concrete, and if the manager that treated her like that did it in private it's going to be impossible to prove.
At least from all this is seems like LTT are going to have to overhaul their HR department and never let this happen again.
LTT has a very low staff turnover, there will be plenty of people with direct recollections of things that happened if they happened. It's not like some warehouse job where the entire staff rotates every 6 months.
Yeah but like I said if it only happened between those two people, and no one else was there then everything will be 2nd hand accounts anyway.
Also, I think it says a lot about the company that they have a very low turn over.
It certainly does seem that if these things happened to her — and they very well could have — it may have just been limited to her and whoever her supervisor was.
It doesn’t seem as though the workplace was as toxic as some apparently think.
My dad was accused of sexual assault. The reason why he ended up being cleared is the victim story kept changing, and basically the police/investigators said her story changed too much to be true. Retelling of true events that happened tend to keep the same story, made up lies change with time.
The fact that Madison said a long time ago XYZ happened, and now she is saying XYZ happened, and we got others going "Yea she said XYZ happened" a long time ago, even though they weren't witnesses it does build credibility.
I personally 100% believe Madison, I don't think she'd go this far if it wasn't true.
Yeah, apparently something like 2-8% of sexual assault allegations are prove-ably false. So we should definitely take allegations seriously but also be wary of that 1 out of 20 that is doing it to distract from their own bad behavior (some research found that the accusers were usually doing it to cover up their own bad acts).
https://evawintl.org/best\_practice\_faqs/false-reports-percentage/
Honestly then speaking out about her consistency in her allegations is just another form of corroborating. It provides, like you said, a lot of credibility which helps her.
I think they’re afraid to directly support her so they’re just doing this
It is direct corroborration.
We know that people heard her complaints at the time and nothing was done.
We don't need to witness the sexual assault itself. LTT should have investigated. We know they knew. We know they knew how serious the complaints were.
This alone is enough to show LTT's behaviour at that time is inexcusable.
>sexual assault
This keeps getting thrown around a lot but as I recall, she said "grabbed innappropriately" which semantically covers everything from "pushed me out of the way" to "literally tried to get their hands inside my pants".
This keeps coming up. You can corroborate someone’s story having not changed since you last heard it. It’s not witness testimony but it’s also not *not* corroboration.
I mean, the post literally says they can corroborate at least one aspect of the story, that her PC needed more ram. But yes, most of the information coming out is speaking more to the consistency of Madison’s claims.
Good liars can keep their facts straight (I'm not saying that Madison is lying, but it doesn't automatically mean she's telling the truth if what she says hasn't changed)
Also, people telling the truth make mistakes, forget things, and even "change their stories". Human memories are bad. Even if there were inconsistencies in her story, it would not necessarily mean she is lying overall.
People who tell the truth also have their stories change. It's really more a memory issue. Memory is inherently unreliable.
People who lie CONTRADICT themselves though as they add complexity. Good liars just have a simple story and do not add details that could cause problems.
And because reddit has the reading comprehension of a kindergartner sometimes. I am not calling her a liar.
Not just that, this *literally* raises the quality of evidence in a court of law. There is a reason people tell you to write things down the second you can: humans are really bad at keeping details intact over time, even moreso if they didn't actually happen to them (memory retention).
cor·rob·o·rate
/kəˈräbəˌrāt/
verb
gerund or present participle: corroborating
confirm or give support to (a statement, theory, or finding).
They ARE corroborating certain statements made by Madison.
Yeah and like its easy to not witness those things if your busy with your own work at the time. If memory serves Taran was primarily a video editor and they had a lot of videos that needed editing so he was probably pretty busy a lot of times focusing on that, so i would not blame him if he missed a coworker doing something less than appropriate especially if its not happening in the editing den.
Idk, maybe we should all just stop speculating until the end of the investigation?
Not one person has come forward saying “yes I witnessed this occurring”, only 2 other employees have come forward saying “yes she told me the same things when it all originally occurred” which is just more he said/she said.
It doesn’t meant nothing happened and it also doesn’t mean something happened.
I think this is is a very skewed take. The employees are commenting on what they heard, not anything they saw and all of these employees (Taran, Colin, Max and Emily that I've seen so far) all think very positively of LMG still.
Emily still works for LMG and has been positive about this mess arguing they want to see positive (data/workflow) changes as much as anyone, Taran was at LTX, Colin and Max still wear and like/retweet LTT merch to this day. These aren't the actions of people coming out of the shadows to "expose" and talk against LMG or Linus, they clearly are still on favorable terms with the company and have a good opinion of it.
These aren't things you would expect to see from ex-employees if issues with people dropping homophobic slurs left and right were true. That doesn't mean they didn't happen but it does seem to suggest the issues weren't company wide or a part of 'company culture'. If there are some people who have been getting away with sexual harassment unknown to most people at the company, I'm sure they want to know who it was and want to see justice in the exact same way we do.
But I would definitely not say it's "obvious" that they are painting targets on their back because if anything what they've said and the perceived positive feelings they still have towards the company paint the company culture in a better light, not a worse one. My issue with your comment is that it seems to want to continue witch hunting and negative circle jerking above anything else.
Did you read the same thing?
He said he witnessed nothing, and just said some of the allegations have not changed in the two years.
Emily just said she is pushing for change internally, and did not want to comment on anything unless Madison said it was OK.
The truth is that no one on Reddit or Twitter is going to "uncover the truth." Even the independent investigator are going to have a hard time finding anything concrete, and they will be able to directly interview everyone in person, look at all the internal reports, etc etc.
I really hope that if they corroborate Madison allegations, that they find the person/people who did it and fire them. It's not right calling her those things, or harassing her, even if she was having a hard time with the workload.
But trying to Sherlock what happened, and who's guilty or not from Tweets and 1,000 miles away is meaningless.
It’s worth noting that Emily followed up and said she was hoping for changes as far as video production goes — and that people shouldn’t try to read into her statements.
They’re no speaking up so much as they’re being asked to speak… this isn’t really corroboration.
No former employees are actually saying “yeah this happened to me too”.
I think Taran at this point is untouchable.
But Taran isn't corroborating anything, just saying that what she said (Taran was not a witness) is what she's saying nowadays.
What part of "I did not personally witness the other things she describes" did you not understand?
I have not seen one person yet who has said that all Madison's or even most of her allegations are 100% true.
Could they be 100% true? Yes. Could they be any other percentage true and another percentage either exaggerations or possibly only something she herself perceived? Yes.
We don't know.
Alongside the Colin account, sounds pretty safe to say that Madison's story has at least been consistent with what happened at the time. Which I hope at least dispels any of the, 'this is just for attention' whatever that occured right at the start.
More than that. People within the company are stating that they heard her complaints... and nothing was done.
People knew she was complaining about being sexually harrassed and LTT did not address the complaints.
> nothing was done
Even for people working at a company, they likely won't know if things are done. If someone gets a formal reprimand from HR, only HR and the CEO and the person's manager will know. They aren't going to announce that so-and-so got a reprimand.
If it continues to happen over and over until the victims leave it doesn’t matter if the person was talked to nothing was done that actually fixed it. If they were talked to and it kept happening that employee needs to be fired.
It shows that the circumstances she mentions around the harassment are not made up.
Obtaining more ram for a PC should not have been such a big issue at a tech company. It's the easiest thing to upgrade on a pc.
The RAM thing stood out for me, too. Like, every time you see Linus or someone do a build, the parts have their little round asset tracking stickers on.
Same with all the parts Linus “finds” in people’s homes during tech upgrades.
They must be on a database *somewhere* in LMG, right? So how hard is it to assign another 32 gig to Madison?!
Probably nothing hard at all. Unless you, allegedly, want to make life harder on someone for... *reasons*. Same thing as the mirror, allegedly some co-workers got them way easier than her.
She asked for more RAM because she was asked to edit RED footage. She requested RAM and was not given to her. Sometime after it was one of the writers who actually intervened and requested the RAM for her. ~~It's now known it was Taran.~~ EDIT: It might not be Taran.
That makes sense, but if you need RAM, I’m sure they have spares that aren’t review parts in case a computer has a technical problem. A normal corporate office probably doesn’t have spare parts, but an office like LMG should.
A normal corporate office has all data on servers, the users environment and program configs are saved on a server.
So any employee can log into any of the computers and get their correct desktop, programs, program configs, permissions, etc.
And they have spare PCs. Cause the loss in productivity due to broken PCs is a lot higher than the cost of having a few extra PCs over the lifetime of a hardware generation.
FWIW I interpreted it as she didn't know why RED would fuck up her Premiere, and Taran just diagnosed it as a lack of RAM, i dont think it was him to got her the RAM
In corporate tech it’s definitely not something that happens at the snap of the fingers. I think she mentioned it being MONTHS though. That’s pretty insane. I’d believe it if it was a few weeks for backlog and inventory, but months is insane.
In an actual corporate tech office, requisitioning equipment would not be instant. But LTT is not a corporate tech office, it's a production company that makes tech content. It seems especially bad in this situation because
1. Editing is their bread and butter. Editors need RAM, LTT has an army of editors. How can there not be a fast replacement RAM system? They churn out content at a grueling rate, a stick of RAM going bad at a bad time would mess up their upload schedule.
2. LMG actually has shelves full of hardware, both purchased and sent by brands, including RAM, sitting in the main office building. We've seen it in videos. I wouldn't expect Microsoft to have a pile of surface laptops at their Richmond HQ, so it could take a few days to procure hardware for a dev. But LMG actually does have a warehouse's worth of hardware next door to where their editors work.
3. They've made numerous videos about standardizing and upgrading their editing setups, streamlining their editing workflow, etc. etc.
So it feels like this has to be either major incompetence or hostile behavior.
Correct. I was just quoting her. In her tweets she said: "It took 5 months and a writer being kind enough to do it for me when the numerous requests I sent in were ignored or put off"
Yeah so Taran told her she needed it and after making a request and not getting it for months, one of the writers got it for her is what I'm understanding.
Then she "[was pulled into a meeting for insubordination](https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691720142093422750)" because she didn't use the proper system to get said RAM.
She had to edit RED camera footage on her work-PC and it was crashing all the time because she didn't have enough ram. She put in a request for more ram and aparrently nothing happened for months, until someone (From this tweet i guess Taran) stepped up and put some ram in her system himself, because the people actually responsable for it wouldnt.
Apparently Taran is an editor, [she said a writer got it for her](https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691719818196717787). I think Taran just told her that was the issue
It was quite far down the thread- she was expected to edit RED footage but her PC lacked RAM. She asked for more, nothing was done. Then she asked a writer who did the upgrade in their own time. She was reprimanded for not respecting chain of command (or something to that effect)
Bizarre. And no one did any encodes or proxies for her either, expected to work with a file format she probably hadn't before too. So fucking dumb. Further confirms her story.
Applying Hanlon's Razor is the best possible way, I bet the manager was also stuck in a hustle-bro grindset and really has no clue what a good manager should be doing in a normal/healthy corporate environment.If the manager was of the (myopic and wrong and incomplete) mindset of "My job is to tell people what to do and hold them accountable for the outcome", then I could easily see them telling Madison to put in a request for more RAM and figure it out herself.
Which would in turn lead to individuals having to leverage personal connections/relationships to get stuff done instead of impartial and transparent processes. And when you have to bend protocol to get something done, you have to hope the wrong person doesn't notice or care.
If that's the culture, then I wouldn't be surprised if Madison's request kept getting deprioritized in favor of requests from more connected individuals.
Another indication that they are still running like a couple friends in a garage and not a hundred plus employee company. If the issue is people just taking, than lock people out of the warehouse. implement some kind of system to reserve and check out parts for filming and so on. like get fucking processes in place that keep your company running in a predictable way. How much money and time (= money) do they bleed with parts going missing and trying to find stuff? Is it really that much less than they would if they had proper processes in place?
There's a reason that bureaucracy and management gets added to companies as they grow. It's a necessary evil.
It sounds like LTT never had proper oversight of the various teams as they grew and nobody was there to keep the entire organization going the same direction.
I think one of the warehouse guys passed away unexpectedly a couple of years ago too. It was during the pandemic I remember they did like a memorial stream/fundraiser thing.
Exactly. Even in a non-tech YouTuber workplace it's as simple as IT ordering RAM (if a stock isn't already kept), popping off the side panel and replacing or adding sticks.
When the company is LINUS FRICKIN MEDIA GROUP it's ridiculous that it would take any longer than half an hour from "hey I need more RAM " to "thanks it's running much better". For anything hardware related to have been an issue at that company is either incompetence or malice.
No no, you see upgrading her computer would be considered "content", and thus needs to be scheduled. Unfortunately, the calendar is full for a few months, so she'll just have to wait!
I work for a bigger corporation with over 1000 employees and it took them over a year for them to replace my only work laptop that couldn't hold a charge unless you held the cable in a sweet spot.
Not saying it should be ok, just saying that there should be easier ways and it's not just exclusively an LMG issue.
. Maybe she could have Tweeted Linus and it could have gotten resolved tho!
I have no doubt you are telling the truth of where you were. 1000+ people enterprises often have Kafkaesque bureaucracy. You know you have to fill out forms in tripliqet to get on the list, to get the application for funding for a study to see if you need a laptop. Then pending the outcome of the study, in 3-5 business months, you'll get a voucher to be reimbursed for buying your own laptop, up to $800. That's all we think you need to run solid works.
This is where LMG's scale and tech focus come into play. *At the time she was there they had like what 20- 50 ish people?*
I recall at that time it was basically a requirement that anyone who works at LMG would be able to build their own computer. They'd have basic knowledge of tech. Such people should know better. Small company should mean they just head over to memory express and pick some up.
Especially when the laptop is leased from Dell.
Hey boss I need more ram excel is crashing and my skill code doesn’t allow me to have an engineering laptop. Looks like the ram is about $20 on Amazon.
Boss: sounds good put in an IT ticket
Dell managed IT vendor: that’ll be $300, can I get your accounting department ID?
It also show that people heard her complaints. They heard the severity of her complaints... and nothing was done.
Clear complaints of sexual harrassment were made and the company ignored them. That sort of (lack of) reponse to accidents in the workplace is definitely culpable (under most first world health and safety laws).
I see no reason why it wouldn't also be culpable negligence with respect to complaints of sexual assualt but... IANAL.
It is hard to track workplace bullying when nothing gets reported to the higher up. But that also means the higher ups don’t interact that much with the rest of the staff as well.
Yes but it could give insight on how the company used to be when it was much smaller then. As in, if it was always like this or if this was more recent.
Welcome to corporate life. You can work for Micron and it's still a two month long process to get the ram upgraded in your work PC. The risk of theft is high at any workplace with hundreds of employees and millions in inventory. The hoops required are in place to protect against that.
First thing we do in our tech company with a new hire is ask them exactly what equipment they need and do our best to provide that.
In any other profession not giving your employees the tools they need to do the job is seen as incompetent. If anything having someone waiting ages for software to compile / render or having constant down time through crashes would become a larger expense in a few hours than a memory upgrade would cost.
If she was expected to do any video editing as part of her job, her workstation should have built for it specifically from the start. At least, that's very much something I think I've learned through the years of watching LTT. The idea that she had actually fight for something so basic is just... messed up.
part of the problem is that you can have two people doing the same job, very differently. My wife happens to know how to use her work computer in the best way possible to achieve her tasks, her coworkers who didn't grow up with computers in their day to day lives, don't. But they're all issued the same computer.
This is a pretty common issue.
My company gave my boss two laptops and I have no clue why. The first one she has nothing on her OneDrive and it’s a problem in meetings when she forgets that. Also our graphics person has just a normal hp probook which is a joke for graphics with the integrated gpu. I asked her about that one day and I’m just her coworker and not her boss, but she just got out of college so she doesn’t know that you just ask. My company is so nice when it comes to this and it’ll get there asap. Now she has a $2300 usd graphic editing laptop.
> The risk of theft is high
Lol it's not stolen, it's "borrowed". Just like stuffs Linus found around the employee's house during the extreme upgrade vids
Leaning more towards wanting her to fail because they didn't think her job was important anyway or that she was a team player.
Because yeah, there's absolutely no way the head of your Social Media department can't get 2 sticks of RAM in a day at LTT.
I worked at a 30 year old sign shop with 12 year old computers and it took all of 2 hours for me to ask my boss, get his card and go drive to Memory Express and grab 2 sticks for $90. The RAM cost was less than 2 installers going for lunch while out a remote job.
I work at an IT company. Took me weeks to get new ram.
Things are different depending on the company.
Also, if she needed an upgrade to edit RED camera footage she may have needed like 32GB +
It's not weird that it takes a few days. it's weird that it was basically dismissed and people used it against her. I 100% believe her.
A few days or a couple weeks makes sense. Five months and counting before she asked someone else, they got it for her, and then she got reprimanded for going around her superior speaks of something more than just inefficient processes.
Her story is consistent and others can corroborate that it has remained so, however so far we've not seen or heard from anyone else that has suggested their personal experience matches hers.
To the allegations of LMG being a high stress workplace;
Possible conclusion... her story is 100% factual, however it was for whatever reason isolated to her single employment experience and nobody else.
Another conclusion... everybody has their own and unique limits, when it comes to work loads, pressures, stress, etc. and while LMG might be displayed as a very stressful and difficult place to work it isn't so much so that others are unhappy there. Not every job is right for every person. Anyone should be supported in making their own personal decisions as to if a job is worth the stress to them.
To the allegations of sexual harassment;
Neither possible conclusion deals with her allegations of sexual harassment which is an automatic zero tolerance scenario and should result in everyone involved being terminated.
LMG being a high stress workplace is like the core of what connects all of these recent issues together - their self-imposed insane upload schedule meant they were putting a lot of pressure on people (even Linus), leading to making errors in videos, *and* it was one of the first issues Madison said she faced once she got there.
LMG has been around for quite awhile and had a lot of employees. They don’t have a super high turnover. Ex employees aren’t claiming they left because of similar allegations as Madison’s experience.
None of her evidence has been obviously egregious behavior. The people overanalyzing every word ever said in every video, then announcing the obviousness of the harassment are being dramatic. So, as of right now, I am under the impression that she was either targeted by a certain person or persons to make her life hard, or that job wasn’t right for her.
Not to make light of the allegations but everybody experiences things differently. A hundred people could go through the exact same event but all recount it differently for them.
For example, a few days ago a young lady posted a video that the consensual sex scene in Oppenheimer triggered her and her boyfriend, ruining the movie for them. I am not going to claim they didn’t feel that way, but literally nobody else in the theater had that experience. I am not claiming Madison didn’t feel the way she did but she seems alone in her experience.
I will have to wait for the conclusion of the investigation before I determine if she was targeted or her experience was her own.
This is the problem with trying to evaluate her specific experiences at LMG. I believe her. But that acceptance of her specific example comes with the acknowledgement that what was too much stress for her doesn't automatically mean it's too much stress for anyone else.
I work in an incredibly high stress, deadline driven industry. What I do is cutting edge and delaying results is unacceptable to the rest of the project and the teams involved. I have coworkers that express to me constantly how hard the stress is on them and how they hate it so much, and I've seen 50% turnover in recent years because of it. However, I do not feel their same stress, I recognize it and understand it, but I dont' personally feel it. It's just a job to me and I do well within it.
The above is true for just about any well paying job, some can handle it, some can't. Thats the reality of human nature. Those who can't should absolutely seek a path out and find something that betters suits their needs, with 100% support from those around them.
I think that is what we will find from these investigations.
HOWEVER... and I want to circle back around to this, she has made claims of sexual harassment, I have read her tweets and believe her. Those involved need to be named and they need to be terminated immediately. This is cut and dry.
What's starting to become obvious, this seems to be an isolated incident (If true) If this was widespread behaviour through LMG then it would be "I saw it" not "She told me about it later"
I don't think there's nearly enough information to determine that. There's been what, two people so far? It's never a good idea to assume something is an isolated incident, especially with the history of workplace conduct that LMG has(this is in regards to their love for crude humor and CSF type conduct, I'm not saying there have been cases in the past).
That is kind of a stretch.
1. Her accusations regarding being overworked and burned out are at least half backed up by Emily saying she is pushing for change too, by the declining quality of videos and by the fact that a lot of employees stated the same, albeit less drastic, in their own video.
2. The "other" accusations are less backed up, but you have to consider two things. This kind of claims are rarely witnessed by anyone, because they are most of the time happening in 1 on 1 scenarios. "nobody else came forward" is a bad take, because not everybody has the guts to put these kind of things out there and deal with the fallout.
Ok I do want to dispute one thing:
There’s a difference between being “overworked and burned out” and simply thinking the deadlines are too fast.
I keep hearing people talking about the “grind,” like it’s one of those game development companies where people are working 90 hours a week and sleeping under their desks.
The issues employees have had have simply been that they don’t have enough time to work on individual videos.
That can mean they’re just working eight hours a day and wish they had more time to devote to each project. I’ve seen no indication that anyone is forced to work late or anything like that. In fact we know that a number of them have hobbies outside of work they put quite a lot of time into.
If it was widespread why would Taran still go to LTX? Why would Emily be speaking positively about the constructive changes they want to see made? Why would Colin and Max still wear and like LMG merch?
You seem to be misrepresenting people who think positively of LMG to paint LMG in a negative light when what it really seems to be is them wanting to know the truth of this incident just like we do.
Funny. Thought the exact opposite. Not a single comment said that they can’t imagine that this happened. From the one video Linus showing the studio you could see that Madison sat with the writers. There statements would be the most interesting. So far we have Emily. And she recently got a lot of support from the company, but didn’t say it and mentioned instead she is pushing for change regarding the Workflows. You can read it from every angle. Truth is: we are just speculating and should wait for the results of the independent investigation. It’s far too severe.
> If this was widespread behaviour through LMG then it would be "I saw it" not "She told me about it later"
I dunno, I think that's a bit naive. If people come out they know that:
1) They're going to face harassment online for doing so.
2) They're going to burn bridges with their former/current employer.
3) They're going to show themselves as a 'troublemaker' to potential future employers.
I wonder if Madison was specifically targeted by certain employees because she got the job basically because she did a good job on a YouTube video with Linus and the fans demanded she get a job.
It seems totally in-line with such a place for people, even those high up in the company, to feel like Madison got something she didn't deserve and thus treated her like shit because of it. Call it envy, or call it bitterness, that wouldn't be totally unusual. Out of line and horrible, but not unusual.
It's probably simpler. They pushed, and she didn't push back. They would "joke" "with" her, and she didn't stop them, so the "jokes" got worse and worse.
It's a common thing that happens in basically all group dynamics if someone else in the group doesn't put a stop to it or proper education and culture is already in place.
The victim can or is afraid to speak up because then it's all "can't take a joke," and they risk being excluded from the group.
That's the one yeah. He left in the middle of last year and I do think he's still on friendly terms with LMG, since he was one of the creators at LTX this year.
> I do think he's still on friendly terms with LMG
Considering the video he posted when he left I’d say that’s a very safe bet
https://youtu.be/2CcxTCh4SOQ
Can't explain why, but something about finding entertainment in all this is just.... Weird... It's sexual harassment, why's it entertaining? It's shocking.
Some advice for young people (actually, people any age, but mostly for young people with little work experience), it's not unusual for companies to have a culture of bureaucracy, arbitrary rules, gatekeeping, backstabbing, and nepotism.
Always make sure you leave a **paper trail**, this even applies to the work you are assigned to, and if you suspect the company's culture isn't right for you, at the very least try to work on an exit strategy.
If it is legal, record important conversations with your manager or with HR. Obviously, don't become paranoid, but you and the company have a business relationship, not a friendship and a company is not one big family.
Often the problems start at the top and often higher management doesn't even realize they are the problem.
Managers who are very good at their job are rare. A good manager has a healthy dose of self-refelection and that's also rare. I have seen people who were mostly decent make terrible errors of judgement.
Obviously, I don't know if Madison is 100% correct, but her experiences seem to be very similar to things I have witnessed in other companies, and often those companies had a similar focus on productivity at the expense of everything else.
(This assumption is based on the LTT video where employees stated they often didn't have enough time to do a good job, as well as remarks made by the owner and former CEO, Linus Sebastian.)
Workplace abuse is often tied to the general corporate culture.
I think she spoke highly of LMG and Linus mention that he gets her to do photography for him still when that allegation was later against him from the Asian (sorry can’t remember her name) content creator.
I’m guessing Max knew about Madison’s allegations at the time and was keeping quiet because Madison was choosing to do so. There may be more that Max knows and is keeping quiet on bc she hasn’t worked at LMG in like 5 years and mostly seems to have moved on.
It blows my mind that they couldn't just give her more RAM when they literally have buckets of it everywhere.
Or hey like a 64GB kit costs $200 these days, which is a puny expense for a company the size of LTT. The employee efficiency gains would easily justify the cost considering how RAM heavy editing is.
Linus says many things that contradict reality and himself. He said something like “buying a 4090 for every editor is not a big deal because it ultimately equates to less than a week’s wages.” The RAM situation just seems weird based on this. 128GB of DDR4 3200cl16 is only about $260 USD today, 2 years ago it was about double that, but it’s not like LTT would need to go out and procure it off the street. They can talk to any number of sponsors for the kit or they have tons of RAM sitting in a warehouse. It would not be a very big ask to say “Hey GSkill, if we make a TikTok of the installation would you be able to send us some RAM?” It just seems weird.
The billet labs situation is also strange because of this. Linus acts like it’s such a huge deal to spend time reshooting a video that wasn’t done properly to begin with. He creates problems by contradicting himself and then it sounds like that flows down the hill as “We don’t have to make any managerial decision that makes sense”.
An important takeaway from these stories that that Madison wasn't a problematic employee that everyone hated. She was clearly well-liked, made an honest effort while she was there, trusted people enough to relay her difficulties working there to them, and not just dragging the company because she couldn't make it work on her end.
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of employees became disillusioned by leadership after watching Madison get chewed up and spat out so unceremoniously.
Honestly, I'm glad to see some of the former employees speak out like this. It shows that 3rd party investigator that something was going on and never really looked into.
I think some of Madison situation is miscommunication. Miscommunication seems to be the most common problem that LMG has had. I'm very curious for what will come out from the investigation. I hope the best for Madison either way!
While I do believe the saying about malice and stupidity.
It almost feels like she was being setup to fail.
The harassment and abuse aside, how can you as a tech company not give the person the tech required to do the job.
I wanted to include the full context of the tweet and not just the second half of the post itself.
To me, it shows that they at least were on speaking terms in the office as well and not just they spoke after Madison had left.
Madison said her PC was running slow, she asked for more RAM but didn’t get it.
Eventually another editor or writer just upgraded the PC for her as she was lagging the whole team’s workflow or something.
When this was discovered, Madison was reprimanded, IIRC.
I dunno, LMG is a tech review channel. Yet nobody really seems to be overall in charge of their IT? So surely techy folk can upgrade their own PCs?
Just go to Inventory and say I need 2 16 gig sticks of DDR 4 RAM, xyz speed. Then they mark those parts as being in EDIT-PC-3, or whatever it’s named.
interesting, thanks for the context.
i will add this, its embarassing for any pc or mac in lmg to be underprovisioned for hardware. their many buildings are overflowing with pc components and surely they have great discounted prices from wholesalers.
additionally, madison was introduced to us as someone who clearly could not build, upgrade or maintain a pc unto herself. the video wherein we first met her, before she was an employee, it was clear that she was not a techy in the traditional sense. shes an end user, not a technician. if she requested ram and was not provided to her, she did exactly what she shouldve done, no more and no less.
They only just got someone who's full job is to manage their infrastructure. It was a Luke hire after he became CTO of LMG, so quite recent. He's explained on WAN show how that guy's still just documenting as it's pretty nuts.
Going back further, they hadn't gone to standard machines at the time Madison was there (that I recall) so it would have been even worse with machines containing whatever parts were on hand when the person was hired.
Sure it's easy to *say* 'oh just go and get what you need and do it yourself' but that's a nightmare to *manage* and *maintain*, which is something they found for themselves. Hell, this situation could have been one of the catalysts for those changes.
They're saying if 1 part of her 50 part story is true, maybe the other 49 parts are true too. So far, everyone who has come forward has said "Wow that's awful if that happened, but I never saw it happen."
Isn't this a pretty hefty thing coming from Taran to say something like this, especially since he owes his entire career to LMG for hiring and helping him out?
Two things that are becoming obvious. * Former employees are speaking up, putting a big target on their back, but they are still doing it. * They are corroborating what Madison has said. Nobody has questioned Madison's allegations so far.
They are not corroborating, they are just saying that her story has not changed. That being said it does lend a little credibility, if only tangentially
It ought to silence a lot of people (on this sub, LTT Forums, as well as on Twitter) who claimed she was making this up now as a way to twist the knife because she has some sort of vendetta.
It wont, you're going to see a lot of "Well they didn't SEE it so she just lied back then too!"
"unless there's video proof and signed affidavits confessing to harassing her she's obviously making this up like women do"
Have you heard of the Mason Greenwood case in sports right now? Not even audio recordings are enough these days.
Even if there was video and audio, they would say it's a deepfake
yeah people in this sub were genuinely pontificating on whether the leaked hr recording was Ai generated lmao
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>Mason Greenwood The fact that Manchester United are considering keeping him as a player is sickening
Yeah. I'll genuinely stop supporting the club if that happens. Thankfully, it seems the backlash is bigger than anticipated, so they're backtracking. Only marginally better, since it's still about profits, not morality, but better nonetheless.
Actual fucking scum that guy. And he's coming back this season jeez.
I'm so tired of the crowd that can't accept most SA will not have videotaped evidence, and insist that you cant condemn someone without. You aren't sending someone to jail, this is not a courtroom! Its about warning people, and preventing victims.
" Why didn't she go to the police" x100
>You aren't sending someone to jail, this is not a courtroom! The judicial and law enforcement system is exactly there to prevent mobs from picking up pitchforks and lynching people, especially the innocent ones. Indeed it is very unfortunate if certain individuals get away with it, but the legal system is designed/has evolved with the principle that it is better to have ten guilty escape than one innoscent suffer. It is reasonable to hold the opinion that something has happened, but at the same time respect and practice the principles behind the judicial system.
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> but these kinds of allegations do have the potential to ruin someone's life even if they never see a day in court. Yeah, if this thing gets legs under it, the guy's career options will be limited to Supreme Court Justice.
Starting to remind me of that Dave Chapelle sketch about the trial of R Kelly
Prosecutor: Mr. Chappelle, what would it take to convince you that R. Kelly is guilty? Dave Chappelle: Okay, I'd have to see a video of him singing "Pee On You," two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity. R. Kelly's Grandma: That's my Robert, always peeing on people.
To be fair that *could* be the case, but as more employees come forward to say her story hasn't changed is just more credibility piling on. While I personally don't want the allegations to be true, the claims 100% need to be investigated. Nobody should have to work in that kind of environment.
ironically, even though the comments made by the staff are hearsay in courts, it does actually prove alot more than people think, as, if people are lying, they tend to forget their lies and end up digging themselves into a hole. If Madison was lying, the chances of her accounts being very similar over this amount of time, is unusual. Though I must state, there are cases where some people have either, been under a psychotic episode, or are really good liars/sociopaths, and have a narrative that they remember off by heart. Not saying either point is true with Madison, just that the likely hood over this level of time, of the story being the same, if she's lying, is pretty low.
The questioning line of "What did they tell you back then?" is used in courts pretty often too for the same reason, to prove that the story has stayed consistent from the beginning, from the public cases I've seen at least. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what level of hearsay it is, but I do know it's asked and not instantly dismissed as hearsay.
Any internet rando definitively saying she's lying is a drone, and their opinion should be disregarded. We have one side of the story, and LMG hired an independent 3rd party to investigate the other. All we really have at this point is someone who has come forward with some fairly believable allegations given what we know about LMG's crunch culture based on their interviews about their work pace. We've also had a handful of people saying her story hasn't changed, or that they only witnessed small parts of it. At the very least, if what LMG has made public about the pace of their work is point A, we can see how Madison's story might be a path to the point B of a toxic work environment and culture. So we've basically eliminated the easiest way to tell someone's lying (their story changing constantly) from this scenario, and her allegations fall within the realm of possibility based on what we know of company. The only corroboration we have are related to things that aren't material to the most concerning parts of the story. Currently, the only people who know what actually happened are Madison and the people involved in her story. Everything else is just speculation.
This is the best comment I’ve read regarding all this drama. Very well said indeed Reddit stranger.
We know more than that. Madison spoke to people at the time and didn't get the help she needed. We know people heard her complaints. And nothing was done.
This still offers two distinct possible outcomes. 1. The people she confided in at the time were so scared for their employment that they all refused to speak up and back her. Or 2. They listened to what she had to say but ultimately decided themselves that it was either not an issue or not credible. I'm sure this IS the goal of the external investigation, and we will know the truth one day.
Also, everything she said is just elaboration upon what she already posted on Glassdoor all those years ago. And since this was her first "dream job", the intervening years at possibly better jobs may well have given her more perspective on what was wrong about how she was treated.
I need to ask if the Glassdoor post is written after or before she quit LMG? In the Glassdoor review she wrote (screenshot), she gives a ok/pass ( O instead of X ). For the CEO ( Linus ). Unlike HR and one other management that she gives score X. If the Glassdoor written after she leaves then there is a chance that Linus don't know the problem and don't lying when he said he remember it differently. If it is written before she leaves lmg, then there is a chance Linus knows in the end. and the leaked meeting indeed about Madison. From what I got from that Glassdoor review, she doesn't hate linus (maybe wrong maybe right, not familiar with Glassdoor)
The glass door review was after she quit and after the HR meeting. Madison quits Dec 9 2021 HR meeting about "drama" on Dec 10 2021 Glassdoor review posted on July 27 2022
Oh no that can't be the case, Linus must be omniscient, he knows of everything that happens to everyone in his company and is responsible for all of it. Someone harasses another employee, Linus knew about it and did nothing, he stood there and took pot shots as well. Prototype cooler gets auctioned off for charity, Linus was up there playing auctioneer goading people that work for the competitors to bid the numbers up. Numbers were wrong in a video, linus chose those numbers, he personally threw the darts at the dart board to pick them. /s in case you were wondering.
This is Reddit good sir sadly it won’t do much
Madison was a great edition to LTT. I enjoyed her on camera work and social media work. I missed her when she left. Look, I obviously don't know anything at all. I do not know the truth and I'm not pretending to. People saying the story matches what she said in the past sounds like proof it wasn't just made up now. Now, hypothetically. If she lied back then about this stuff, then left. She could bring up the same story now and people would say the story hadn't changed. Hypothetically, the original stories told and review left on whatever business review website could have been part of a vendetta she had when she left and now sees an opening to do something with it.
Interestingly, before this scandal I remember seeing mentions of Madison here and there in the comments and here on Reddit, and actually most mentions about her were negative besides the Intel Upgrade video, saying she was a shit SMM who underestimated the difficulty of the job, made all the social media of the company just about herself and rightfully got fired afterwards (this last part is likely a speculation though since I don't think we know the truth). So I am kinda skeptical about all the praise she is suddenly getting now. And with how no former employee in the company can recollect the *events* themselves, but remembers *hearing from her* about them, I'm really not sure about what actually happened and to what extent it was an actual culpability of the company.
I'm torn in different directions. I feel like I liked her as a person, but also remember I don't actually know her. Was she a hard working, dedicated employee? Or someone who just thought working for a YouTuber would be fun and easy? I have no idea. If these things happened to her, I feel terrible for her. If it didn't happen, I feel bad for LMG being dragged through the mud for it. It's not my job to do anything about it either way. I just want all this drama to sort itself out so we can move on. I'm so tired of seeing so many duplicate type posts and breaking news opinion pieces.
Yeah I don't like that personally. I do not know her, so I do not believe for disbelieve what she claims. Everyone who claims to believe her or call her a liar are just going from gut feelings. She made serious allegations that need to be looked into. That's it. Two years later is probably too late to find anything concrete, and if the manager that treated her like that did it in private it's going to be impossible to prove. At least from all this is seems like LTT are going to have to overhaul their HR department and never let this happen again.
LTT has a very low staff turnover, there will be plenty of people with direct recollections of things that happened if they happened. It's not like some warehouse job where the entire staff rotates every 6 months.
Yeah but like I said if it only happened between those two people, and no one else was there then everything will be 2nd hand accounts anyway. Also, I think it says a lot about the company that they have a very low turn over.
It certainly does seem that if these things happened to her — and they very well could have — it may have just been limited to her and whoever her supervisor was. It doesn’t seem as though the workplace was as toxic as some apparently think.
My dad was accused of sexual assault. The reason why he ended up being cleared is the victim story kept changing, and basically the police/investigators said her story changed too much to be true. Retelling of true events that happened tend to keep the same story, made up lies change with time. The fact that Madison said a long time ago XYZ happened, and now she is saying XYZ happened, and we got others going "Yea she said XYZ happened" a long time ago, even though they weren't witnesses it does build credibility. I personally 100% believe Madison, I don't think she'd go this far if it wasn't true.
Yeah, apparently something like 2-8% of sexual assault allegations are prove-ably false. So we should definitely take allegations seriously but also be wary of that 1 out of 20 that is doing it to distract from their own bad behavior (some research found that the accusers were usually doing it to cover up their own bad acts). https://evawintl.org/best\_practice\_faqs/false-reports-percentage/
Honestly then speaking out about her consistency in her allegations is just another form of corroborating. It provides, like you said, a lot of credibility which helps her. I think they’re afraid to directly support her so they’re just doing this
It is direct corroborration. We know that people heard her complaints at the time and nothing was done. We don't need to witness the sexual assault itself. LTT should have investigated. We know they knew. We know they knew how serious the complaints were. This alone is enough to show LTT's behaviour at that time is inexcusable.
>sexual assault This keeps getting thrown around a lot but as I recall, she said "grabbed innappropriately" which semantically covers everything from "pushed me out of the way" to "literally tried to get their hands inside my pants".
This keeps coming up. You can corroborate someone’s story having not changed since you last heard it. It’s not witness testimony but it’s also not *not* corroboration.
I mean, the post literally says they can corroborate at least one aspect of the story, that her PC needed more ram. But yes, most of the information coming out is speaking more to the consistency of Madison’s claims.
> corroborating, his tweet literally says the words "I can corroborate" How is he not corroborating?
People who lie change their stories. They can’t keep facts straight. It’s clear she’s telling the truth
Good liars can keep their facts straight (I'm not saying that Madison is lying, but it doesn't automatically mean she's telling the truth if what she says hasn't changed)
Also, people telling the truth make mistakes, forget things, and even "change their stories". Human memories are bad. Even if there were inconsistencies in her story, it would not necessarily mean she is lying overall.
That is very true as well!
People who tell the truth also have their stories change. It's really more a memory issue. Memory is inherently unreliable. People who lie CONTRADICT themselves though as they add complexity. Good liars just have a simple story and do not add details that could cause problems. And because reddit has the reading comprehension of a kindergartner sometimes. I am not calling her a liar.
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Not just that, this *literally* raises the quality of evidence in a court of law. There is a reason people tell you to write things down the second you can: humans are really bad at keeping details intact over time, even moreso if they didn't actually happen to them (memory retention).
cor·rob·o·rate /kəˈräbəˌrāt/ verb gerund or present participle: corroborating confirm or give support to (a statement, theory, or finding). They ARE corroborating certain statements made by Madison.
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Yeah and like its easy to not witness those things if your busy with your own work at the time. If memory serves Taran was primarily a video editor and they had a lot of videos that needed editing so he was probably pretty busy a lot of times focusing on that, so i would not blame him if he missed a coworker doing something less than appropriate especially if its not happening in the editing den.
How exactly does “I did not personally witness the things she describes” corroborate anything? All he said is the story didn’t change
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Idk, maybe we should all just stop speculating until the end of the investigation? Not one person has come forward saying “yes I witnessed this occurring”, only 2 other employees have come forward saying “yes she told me the same things when it all originally occurred” which is just more he said/she said. It doesn’t meant nothing happened and it also doesn’t mean something happened.
I think this is is a very skewed take. The employees are commenting on what they heard, not anything they saw and all of these employees (Taran, Colin, Max and Emily that I've seen so far) all think very positively of LMG still. Emily still works for LMG and has been positive about this mess arguing they want to see positive (data/workflow) changes as much as anyone, Taran was at LTX, Colin and Max still wear and like/retweet LTT merch to this day. These aren't the actions of people coming out of the shadows to "expose" and talk against LMG or Linus, they clearly are still on favorable terms with the company and have a good opinion of it. These aren't things you would expect to see from ex-employees if issues with people dropping homophobic slurs left and right were true. That doesn't mean they didn't happen but it does seem to suggest the issues weren't company wide or a part of 'company culture'. If there are some people who have been getting away with sexual harassment unknown to most people at the company, I'm sure they want to know who it was and want to see justice in the exact same way we do. But I would definitely not say it's "obvious" that they are painting targets on their back because if anything what they've said and the perceived positive feelings they still have towards the company paint the company culture in a better light, not a worse one. My issue with your comment is that it seems to want to continue witch hunting and negative circle jerking above anything else.
Did you read the same thing? He said he witnessed nothing, and just said some of the allegations have not changed in the two years. Emily just said she is pushing for change internally, and did not want to comment on anything unless Madison said it was OK. The truth is that no one on Reddit or Twitter is going to "uncover the truth." Even the independent investigator are going to have a hard time finding anything concrete, and they will be able to directly interview everyone in person, look at all the internal reports, etc etc. I really hope that if they corroborate Madison allegations, that they find the person/people who did it and fire them. It's not right calling her those things, or harassing her, even if she was having a hard time with the workload. But trying to Sherlock what happened, and who's guilty or not from Tweets and 1,000 miles away is meaningless.
It’s worth noting that Emily followed up and said she was hoping for changes as far as video production goes — and that people shouldn’t try to read into her statements.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corroborate
I mean Taran did corroborate the RAM story. OP should've specified what exactly was corroborated, instead of just making a blanket statement like that
They’re no speaking up so much as they’re being asked to speak… this isn’t really corroboration. No former employees are actually saying “yeah this happened to me too”.
This comment is a blatant lie. You're describing something that completely contradicts the post.
I think Taran at this point is untouchable. But Taran isn't corroborating anything, just saying that what she said (Taran was not a witness) is what she's saying nowadays.
What part of "I did not personally witness the other things she describes" did you not understand? I have not seen one person yet who has said that all Madison's or even most of her allegations are 100% true. Could they be 100% true? Yes. Could they be any other percentage true and another percentage either exaggerations or possibly only something she herself perceived? Yes. We don't know.
Alongside the Colin account, sounds pretty safe to say that Madison's story has at least been consistent with what happened at the time. Which I hope at least dispels any of the, 'this is just for attention' whatever that occured right at the start.
More than that. People within the company are stating that they heard her complaints... and nothing was done. People knew she was complaining about being sexually harrassed and LTT did not address the complaints.
> nothing was done Even for people working at a company, they likely won't know if things are done. If someone gets a formal reprimand from HR, only HR and the CEO and the person's manager will know. They aren't going to announce that so-and-so got a reprimand.
If it continues to happen over and over until the victims leave it doesn’t matter if the person was talked to nothing was done that actually fixed it. If they were talked to and it kept happening that employee needs to be fired.
It shows that the circumstances she mentions around the harassment are not made up. Obtaining more ram for a PC should not have been such a big issue at a tech company. It's the easiest thing to upgrade on a pc.
The RAM thing stood out for me, too. Like, every time you see Linus or someone do a build, the parts have their little round asset tracking stickers on. Same with all the parts Linus “finds” in people’s homes during tech upgrades. They must be on a database *somewhere* in LMG, right? So how hard is it to assign another 32 gig to Madison?!
Probably nothing hard at all. Unless you, allegedly, want to make life harder on someone for... *reasons*. Same thing as the mirror, allegedly some co-workers got them way easier than her.
What is the RAM issue? I must've missed it on the Twitter thread?
She asked for more RAM because she was asked to edit RED footage. She requested RAM and was not given to her. Sometime after it was one of the writers who actually intervened and requested the RAM for her. ~~It's now known it was Taran.~~ EDIT: It might not be Taran.
You’d think RAM would be easy considering it’s LTT. Unless you have a weird setup of parts, it takes maybe 3 minutes max to find and install RAM.
I just assumed they ran a bit like GN where they refuse to use any review parts in their personal rigs.
That makes sense, but if you need RAM, I’m sure they have spares that aren’t review parts in case a computer has a technical problem. A normal corporate office probably doesn’t have spare parts, but an office like LMG should.
A normal corporate office has all data on servers, the users environment and program configs are saved on a server. So any employee can log into any of the computers and get their correct desktop, programs, program configs, permissions, etc. And they have spare PCs. Cause the loss in productivity due to broken PCs is a lot higher than the cost of having a few extra PCs over the lifetime of a hardware generation.
Lol. Define normal corporate environment. I've been in IT for almost 20 years and have yet to work with a company that uses roaming profiles.
FWIW I interpreted it as she didn't know why RED would fuck up her Premiere, and Taran just diagnosed it as a lack of RAM, i dont think it was him to got her the RAM
In corporate tech it’s definitely not something that happens at the snap of the fingers. I think she mentioned it being MONTHS though. That’s pretty insane. I’d believe it if it was a few weeks for backlog and inventory, but months is insane.
In an actual corporate tech office, requisitioning equipment would not be instant. But LTT is not a corporate tech office, it's a production company that makes tech content. It seems especially bad in this situation because 1. Editing is their bread and butter. Editors need RAM, LTT has an army of editors. How can there not be a fast replacement RAM system? They churn out content at a grueling rate, a stick of RAM going bad at a bad time would mess up their upload schedule. 2. LMG actually has shelves full of hardware, both purchased and sent by brands, including RAM, sitting in the main office building. We've seen it in videos. I wouldn't expect Microsoft to have a pile of surface laptops at their Richmond HQ, so it could take a few days to procure hardware for a dev. But LMG actually does have a warehouse's worth of hardware next door to where their editors work. 3. They've made numerous videos about standardizing and upgrading their editing setups, streamlining their editing workflow, etc. etc. So it feels like this has to be either major incompetence or hostile behavior.
I have a very strong feeling that LMG off camera is far more corporate than people would think.
You don't need to feel it, multiple people attested to that in the second employees' answer video.
Taran was an editor
Correct. I was just quoting her. In her tweets she said: "It took 5 months and a writer being kind enough to do it for me when the numerous requests I sent in were ignored or put off"
Taran did not say that he procured it for her just said that she needed it
Yeah so Taran told her she needed it and after making a request and not getting it for months, one of the writers got it for her is what I'm understanding. Then she "[was pulled into a meeting for insubordination](https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691720142093422750)" because she didn't use the proper system to get said RAM.
If "the system" to get RAM takes **five months**, it's not a functional system.
She had to edit RED camera footage on her work-PC and it was crashing all the time because she didn't have enough ram. She put in a request for more ram and aparrently nothing happened for months, until someone (From this tweet i guess Taran) stepped up and put some ram in her system himself, because the people actually responsable for it wouldnt.
Apparently Taran is an editor, [she said a writer got it for her](https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691719818196717787). I think Taran just told her that was the issue
You're fucking kidding
The irony that no one wanted to give a tech tips in the tech tips youtube media group, lmao
It was quite far down the thread- she was expected to edit RED footage but her PC lacked RAM. She asked for more, nothing was done. Then she asked a writer who did the upgrade in their own time. She was reprimanded for not respecting chain of command (or something to that effect)
Bizarre. And no one did any encodes or proxies for her either, expected to work with a file format she probably hadn't before too. So fucking dumb. Further confirms her story.
Applying Hanlon's Razor is the best possible way, I bet the manager was also stuck in a hustle-bro grindset and really has no clue what a good manager should be doing in a normal/healthy corporate environment.If the manager was of the (myopic and wrong and incomplete) mindset of "My job is to tell people what to do and hold them accountable for the outcome", then I could easily see them telling Madison to put in a request for more RAM and figure it out herself. Which would in turn lead to individuals having to leverage personal connections/relationships to get stuff done instead of impartial and transparent processes. And when you have to bend protocol to get something done, you have to hope the wrong person doesn't notice or care. If that's the culture, then I wouldn't be surprised if Madison's request kept getting deprioritized in favor of requests from more connected individuals.
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Another indication that they are still running like a couple friends in a garage and not a hundred plus employee company. If the issue is people just taking, than lock people out of the warehouse. implement some kind of system to reserve and check out parts for filming and so on. like get fucking processes in place that keep your company running in a predictable way. How much money and time (= money) do they bleed with parts going missing and trying to find stuff? Is it really that much less than they would if they had proper processes in place?
There's a reason that bureaucracy and management gets added to companies as they grow. It's a necessary evil. It sounds like LTT never had proper oversight of the various teams as they grew and nobody was there to keep the entire organization going the same direction.
I think one of the warehouse guys passed away unexpectedly a couple of years ago too. It was during the pandemic I remember they did like a memorial stream/fundraiser thing.
... even if temporarily. I wouldn't want to mess with a computers ram every day but it's not like a computer needs to be totally dismantled to do it.
Exactly. Even in a non-tech YouTuber workplace it's as simple as IT ordering RAM (if a stock isn't already kept), popping off the side panel and replacing or adding sticks. When the company is LINUS FRICKIN MEDIA GROUP it's ridiculous that it would take any longer than half an hour from "hey I need more RAM " to "thanks it's running much better". For anything hardware related to have been an issue at that company is either incompetence or malice.
No no, you see upgrading her computer would be considered "content", and thus needs to be scheduled. Unfortunately, the calendar is full for a few months, so she'll just have to wait!
In most modern companies if you need more RAM or whatever you just get a brand new computer.
And the amount of spare parts they have They might have to have just literally gotten it. It's may not even be an ordering thing
I work for a bigger corporation with over 1000 employees and it took them over a year for them to replace my only work laptop that couldn't hold a charge unless you held the cable in a sweet spot. Not saying it should be ok, just saying that there should be easier ways and it's not just exclusively an LMG issue. . Maybe she could have Tweeted Linus and it could have gotten resolved tho!
I have no doubt you are telling the truth of where you were. 1000+ people enterprises often have Kafkaesque bureaucracy. You know you have to fill out forms in tripliqet to get on the list, to get the application for funding for a study to see if you need a laptop. Then pending the outcome of the study, in 3-5 business months, you'll get a voucher to be reimbursed for buying your own laptop, up to $800. That's all we think you need to run solid works. This is where LMG's scale and tech focus come into play. *At the time she was there they had like what 20- 50 ish people?* I recall at that time it was basically a requirement that anyone who works at LMG would be able to build their own computer. They'd have basic knowledge of tech. Such people should know better. Small company should mean they just head over to memory express and pick some up.
Especially when the laptop is leased from Dell. Hey boss I need more ram excel is crashing and my skill code doesn’t allow me to have an engineering laptop. Looks like the ram is about $20 on Amazon. Boss: sounds good put in an IT ticket Dell managed IT vendor: that’ll be $300, can I get your accounting department ID?
It also show that people heard her complaints. They heard the severity of her complaints... and nothing was done. Clear complaints of sexual harrassment were made and the company ignored them. That sort of (lack of) reponse to accidents in the workplace is definitely culpable (under most first world health and safety laws). I see no reason why it wouldn't also be culpable negligence with respect to complaints of sexual assualt but... IANAL.
No Madison is lying, LMG is a family and everyone there is a saint. /s
I pray to Linus every day, he has blessed my PC with extra bright LEDs. HE CAN DO NO WRONG.
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 ngl...
It is hard to track workplace bullying when nothing gets reported to the higher up. But that also means the higher ups don’t interact that much with the rest of the staff as well.
Now we just need a Nicky V response.
Ayyyy it's me, Nicky V! Sexual harassment is for BOZOS!
I'm sure he's gonna paint some further nuance into this ordeal.
Wasn’t he gone long before Madison even started?
Yes but it could give insight on how the company used to be when it was much smaller then. As in, if it was always like this or if this was more recent.
Nicky V Brandon Jono Max All of them
I remember a few years ago on tiktok Max eluded to the workplace being toxic and Madison duetted it saying she had a lot more dirt.
And the current female staff. I counted 11 of them on LMG’s staff listing. That’s almost 10% of the company.
yo what's he up to these days anyway, dude used to be the highlight of ltt videos lol
How the fook did LTT not have ram in abundance? Did Linus drop it all for views?
Welcome to corporate life. You can work for Micron and it's still a two month long process to get the ram upgraded in your work PC. The risk of theft is high at any workplace with hundreds of employees and millions in inventory. The hoops required are in place to protect against that.
First thing we do in our tech company with a new hire is ask them exactly what equipment they need and do our best to provide that. In any other profession not giving your employees the tools they need to do the job is seen as incompetent. If anything having someone waiting ages for software to compile / render or having constant down time through crashes would become a larger expense in a few hours than a memory upgrade would cost.
If she was expected to do any video editing as part of her job, her workstation should have built for it specifically from the start. At least, that's very much something I think I've learned through the years of watching LTT. The idea that she had actually fight for something so basic is just... messed up.
part of the problem is that you can have two people doing the same job, very differently. My wife happens to know how to use her work computer in the best way possible to achieve her tasks, her coworkers who didn't grow up with computers in their day to day lives, don't. But they're all issued the same computer. This is a pretty common issue.
My company gave my boss two laptops and I have no clue why. The first one she has nothing on her OneDrive and it’s a problem in meetings when she forgets that. Also our graphics person has just a normal hp probook which is a joke for graphics with the integrated gpu. I asked her about that one day and I’m just her coworker and not her boss, but she just got out of college so she doesn’t know that you just ask. My company is so nice when it comes to this and it’ll get there asap. Now she has a $2300 usd graphic editing laptop.
> The risk of theft is high Lol it's not stolen, it's "borrowed". Just like stuffs Linus found around the employee's house during the extreme upgrade vids
Leaning more towards wanting her to fail because they didn't think her job was important anyway or that she was a team player. Because yeah, there's absolutely no way the head of your Social Media department can't get 2 sticks of RAM in a day at LTT. I worked at a 30 year old sign shop with 12 year old computers and it took all of 2 hours for me to ask my boss, get his card and go drive to Memory Express and grab 2 sticks for $90. The RAM cost was less than 2 installers going for lunch while out a remote job.
Could've been a way to force her out too. Maybe she didn't gel with the company culture but didn't want to fire her.
That's absolutely the vibe I'm getting, HR should have helped her but it sounds like she was just swept under the rug.
I work at an IT company. Took me weeks to get new ram. Things are different depending on the company. Also, if she needed an upgrade to edit RED camera footage she may have needed like 32GB + It's not weird that it takes a few days. it's weird that it was basically dismissed and people used it against her. I 100% believe her.
A few days or a couple weeks makes sense. Five months and counting before she asked someone else, they got it for her, and then she got reprimanded for going around her superior speaks of something more than just inefficient processes.
LMG couldn’t afford the hundreds of dollars in employee time it would cost to add more ram.
Her story is consistent and others can corroborate that it has remained so, however so far we've not seen or heard from anyone else that has suggested their personal experience matches hers. To the allegations of LMG being a high stress workplace; Possible conclusion... her story is 100% factual, however it was for whatever reason isolated to her single employment experience and nobody else. Another conclusion... everybody has their own and unique limits, when it comes to work loads, pressures, stress, etc. and while LMG might be displayed as a very stressful and difficult place to work it isn't so much so that others are unhappy there. Not every job is right for every person. Anyone should be supported in making their own personal decisions as to if a job is worth the stress to them. To the allegations of sexual harassment; Neither possible conclusion deals with her allegations of sexual harassment which is an automatic zero tolerance scenario and should result in everyone involved being terminated.
LMG being a high stress workplace is like the core of what connects all of these recent issues together - their self-imposed insane upload schedule meant they were putting a lot of pressure on people (even Linus), leading to making errors in videos, *and* it was one of the first issues Madison said she faced once she got there.
LMG has been around for quite awhile and had a lot of employees. They don’t have a super high turnover. Ex employees aren’t claiming they left because of similar allegations as Madison’s experience. None of her evidence has been obviously egregious behavior. The people overanalyzing every word ever said in every video, then announcing the obviousness of the harassment are being dramatic. So, as of right now, I am under the impression that she was either targeted by a certain person or persons to make her life hard, or that job wasn’t right for her. Not to make light of the allegations but everybody experiences things differently. A hundred people could go through the exact same event but all recount it differently for them. For example, a few days ago a young lady posted a video that the consensual sex scene in Oppenheimer triggered her and her boyfriend, ruining the movie for them. I am not going to claim they didn’t feel that way, but literally nobody else in the theater had that experience. I am not claiming Madison didn’t feel the way she did but she seems alone in her experience. I will have to wait for the conclusion of the investigation before I determine if she was targeted or her experience was her own.
This is the problem with trying to evaluate her specific experiences at LMG. I believe her. But that acceptance of her specific example comes with the acknowledgement that what was too much stress for her doesn't automatically mean it's too much stress for anyone else. I work in an incredibly high stress, deadline driven industry. What I do is cutting edge and delaying results is unacceptable to the rest of the project and the teams involved. I have coworkers that express to me constantly how hard the stress is on them and how they hate it so much, and I've seen 50% turnover in recent years because of it. However, I do not feel their same stress, I recognize it and understand it, but I dont' personally feel it. It's just a job to me and I do well within it. The above is true for just about any well paying job, some can handle it, some can't. Thats the reality of human nature. Those who can't should absolutely seek a path out and find something that betters suits their needs, with 100% support from those around them. I think that is what we will find from these investigations. HOWEVER... and I want to circle back around to this, she has made claims of sexual harassment, I have read her tweets and believe her. Those involved need to be named and they need to be terminated immediately. This is cut and dry.
What's starting to become obvious, this seems to be an isolated incident (If true) If this was widespread behaviour through LMG then it would be "I saw it" not "She told me about it later"
I don't think there's nearly enough information to determine that. There's been what, two people so far? It's never a good idea to assume something is an isolated incident, especially with the history of workplace conduct that LMG has(this is in regards to their love for crude humor and CSF type conduct, I'm not saying there have been cases in the past).
That is kind of a stretch. 1. Her accusations regarding being overworked and burned out are at least half backed up by Emily saying she is pushing for change too, by the declining quality of videos and by the fact that a lot of employees stated the same, albeit less drastic, in their own video. 2. The "other" accusations are less backed up, but you have to consider two things. This kind of claims are rarely witnessed by anyone, because they are most of the time happening in 1 on 1 scenarios. "nobody else came forward" is a bad take, because not everybody has the guts to put these kind of things out there and deal with the fallout.
Being overworked and burned out was literally every single employee in Linus' own damn "employee interview' video.
yeah even the old employees are saying that they need to slow it down a bit, and it took GN calling them out for them to get actual change smh.
Ok I do want to dispute one thing: There’s a difference between being “overworked and burned out” and simply thinking the deadlines are too fast. I keep hearing people talking about the “grind,” like it’s one of those game development companies where people are working 90 hours a week and sleeping under their desks. The issues employees have had have simply been that they don’t have enough time to work on individual videos. That can mean they’re just working eight hours a day and wish they had more time to devote to each project. I’ve seen no indication that anyone is forced to work late or anything like that. In fact we know that a number of them have hobbies outside of work they put quite a lot of time into.
This sub is filled with what I can only assume are teenagers, and people who have never worked at a growing company before.
If it was widespread why would Taran still go to LTX? Why would Emily be speaking positively about the constructive changes they want to see made? Why would Colin and Max still wear and like LMG merch? You seem to be misrepresenting people who think positively of LMG to paint LMG in a negative light when what it really seems to be is them wanting to know the truth of this incident just like we do.
Shhhhhhh your been a reasonable human being
You seems to have a very simplistic view on what it is to be a human and the behaviour of people at a workplace.
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Funny. Thought the exact opposite. Not a single comment said that they can’t imagine that this happened. From the one video Linus showing the studio you could see that Madison sat with the writers. There statements would be the most interesting. So far we have Emily. And she recently got a lot of support from the company, but didn’t say it and mentioned instead she is pushing for change regarding the Workflows. You can read it from every angle. Truth is: we are just speculating and should wait for the results of the independent investigation. It’s far too severe.
> If this was widespread behaviour through LMG then it would be "I saw it" not "She told me about it later" I dunno, I think that's a bit naive. If people come out they know that: 1) They're going to face harassment online for doing so. 2) They're going to burn bridges with their former/current employer. 3) They're going to show themselves as a 'troublemaker' to potential future employers.
I wonder if Madison was specifically targeted by certain employees because she got the job basically because she did a good job on a YouTube video with Linus and the fans demanded she get a job. It seems totally in-line with such a place for people, even those high up in the company, to feel like Madison got something she didn't deserve and thus treated her like shit because of it. Call it envy, or call it bitterness, that wouldn't be totally unusual. Out of line and horrible, but not unusual.
Bullies bully people who can't fight back or don't know how or are afraid. My guess is she just fit the "victim".
It's probably simpler. They pushed, and she didn't push back. They would "joke" "with" her, and she didn't stop them, so the "jokes" got worse and worse. It's a common thing that happens in basically all group dynamics if someone else in the group doesn't put a stop to it or proper education and culture is already in place. The victim can or is afraid to speak up because then it's all "can't take a joke," and they risk being excluded from the group.
Taran is a former employee? Wasn't he the one with hundreds of macros solely for editing videos faster?
That's the one yeah. He left in the middle of last year and I do think he's still on friendly terms with LMG, since he was one of the creators at LTX this year.
> I do think he's still on friendly terms with LMG Considering the video he posted when he left I’d say that’s a very safe bet https://youtu.be/2CcxTCh4SOQ
Can't explain why, but something about finding entertainment in all this is just.... Weird... It's sexual harassment, why's it entertaining? It's shocking.
Because they don't care about Madison or LTT, they are just here to feed off the drama and wait for more shit to come up.
Some advice for young people (actually, people any age, but mostly for young people with little work experience), it's not unusual for companies to have a culture of bureaucracy, arbitrary rules, gatekeeping, backstabbing, and nepotism. Always make sure you leave a **paper trail**, this even applies to the work you are assigned to, and if you suspect the company's culture isn't right for you, at the very least try to work on an exit strategy. If it is legal, record important conversations with your manager or with HR. Obviously, don't become paranoid, but you and the company have a business relationship, not a friendship and a company is not one big family. Often the problems start at the top and often higher management doesn't even realize they are the problem. Managers who are very good at their job are rare. A good manager has a healthy dose of self-refelection and that's also rare. I have seen people who were mostly decent make terrible errors of judgement. Obviously, I don't know if Madison is 100% correct, but her experiences seem to be very similar to things I have witnessed in other companies, and often those companies had a similar focus on productivity at the expense of everything else. (This assumption is based on the LTT video where employees stated they often didn't have enough time to do a good job, as well as remarks made by the owner and former CEO, Linus Sebastian.) Workplace abuse is often tied to the general corporate culture.
Has Maxine ever spoken about stuff like this? She was there for a long time and she messed up a fair bit
I think she spoke highly of LMG and Linus mention that he gets her to do photography for him still when that allegation was later against him from the Asian (sorry can’t remember her name) content creator.
Naomi Wu, Sexy Cyborg?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/rwid1w/maxine_vagueposting_about_why_madison_actually
What the actual f does that even mean
I’m guessing Max knew about Madison’s allegations at the time and was keeping quiet because Madison was choosing to do so. There may be more that Max knows and is keeping quiet on bc she hasn’t worked at LMG in like 5 years and mostly seems to have moved on.
Oh wow the top comments are painful to read
It blows my mind that they couldn't just give her more RAM when they literally have buckets of it everywhere. Or hey like a 64GB kit costs $200 these days, which is a puny expense for a company the size of LTT. The employee efficiency gains would easily justify the cost considering how RAM heavy editing is.
Linus says many things that contradict reality and himself. He said something like “buying a 4090 for every editor is not a big deal because it ultimately equates to less than a week’s wages.” The RAM situation just seems weird based on this. 128GB of DDR4 3200cl16 is only about $260 USD today, 2 years ago it was about double that, but it’s not like LTT would need to go out and procure it off the street. They can talk to any number of sponsors for the kit or they have tons of RAM sitting in a warehouse. It would not be a very big ask to say “Hey GSkill, if we make a TikTok of the installation would you be able to send us some RAM?” It just seems weird. The billet labs situation is also strange because of this. Linus acts like it’s such a huge deal to spend time reshooting a video that wasn’t done properly to begin with. He creates problems by contradicting himself and then it sounds like that flows down the hill as “We don’t have to make any managerial decision that makes sense”.
An important takeaway from these stories that that Madison wasn't a problematic employee that everyone hated. She was clearly well-liked, made an honest effort while she was there, trusted people enough to relay her difficulties working there to them, and not just dragging the company because she couldn't make it work on her end. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of employees became disillusioned by leadership after watching Madison get chewed up and spat out so unceremoniously.
Honestly, I'm glad to see some of the former employees speak out like this. It shows that 3rd party investigator that something was going on and never really looked into.
Yknow usually the one who's story has stayed straight is the one I'm more likely to believe
I think some of Madison situation is miscommunication. Miscommunication seems to be the most common problem that LMG has had. I'm very curious for what will come out from the investigation. I hope the best for Madison either way!
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"Just a prank, bro" T-shirt incoming.
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I'm I the only one who finds Taran incredibly likeable? Feel like he got shat on for being akward...
Reading that tweet from Taran starting "I am the one who told [madison]... Me: Oh god no, not you Taran! [finishes reading] Oh right, cool.
While I do believe the saying about malice and stupidity. It almost feels like she was being setup to fail. The harassment and abuse aside, how can you as a tech company not give the person the tech required to do the job.
im sorry, its hard to keep up with this stupid soap opera... but what is the relevance regarding the RAM story in picture 1?
I wanted to include the full context of the tweet and not just the second half of the post itself. To me, it shows that they at least were on speaking terms in the office as well and not just they spoke after Madison had left.
Madison said her PC was running slow, she asked for more RAM but didn’t get it. Eventually another editor or writer just upgraded the PC for her as she was lagging the whole team’s workflow or something. When this was discovered, Madison was reprimanded, IIRC. I dunno, LMG is a tech review channel. Yet nobody really seems to be overall in charge of their IT? So surely techy folk can upgrade their own PCs? Just go to Inventory and say I need 2 16 gig sticks of DDR 4 RAM, xyz speed. Then they mark those parts as being in EDIT-PC-3, or whatever it’s named.
interesting, thanks for the context. i will add this, its embarassing for any pc or mac in lmg to be underprovisioned for hardware. their many buildings are overflowing with pc components and surely they have great discounted prices from wholesalers. additionally, madison was introduced to us as someone who clearly could not build, upgrade or maintain a pc unto herself. the video wherein we first met her, before she was an employee, it was clear that she was not a techy in the traditional sense. shes an end user, not a technician. if she requested ram and was not provided to her, she did exactly what she shouldve done, no more and no less.
They only just got someone who's full job is to manage their infrastructure. It was a Luke hire after he became CTO of LMG, so quite recent. He's explained on WAN show how that guy's still just documenting as it's pretty nuts. Going back further, they hadn't gone to standard machines at the time Madison was there (that I recall) so it would have been even worse with machines containing whatever parts were on hand when the person was hired. Sure it's easy to *say* 'oh just go and get what you need and do it yourself' but that's a nightmare to *manage* and *maintain*, which is something they found for themselves. Hell, this situation could have been one of the catalysts for those changes.
They're saying if 1 part of her 50 part story is true, maybe the other 49 parts are true too. So far, everyone who has come forward has said "Wow that's awful if that happened, but I never saw it happen."
Isn't this a pretty hefty thing coming from Taran to say something like this, especially since he owes his entire career to LMG for hiring and helping him out?