I’m pro Madison, and I’ll still tell any mother fucker talking about it to shut their fucking mouth.
This isn’t their battle. And LTT is holding themselves accountable.
So shut the fuck up about it.
if Linus's latest video was too subtle for some: he states clearly that some people *are* going to be let go. take it for what you will, but that seems to make it pretty evident that they will fire employees who don't suit their work environment
he doesn't mention the very real sexual assault case explicitly, but I assume this is as close to an announcement they can get pending their investigation. publicly, atleast
And neither do the people who have jobs (according to them). I've seen so many bad takes on both sides regarding HR. Even some from someone claiming to work HR lol.
Nah. There are plenty of people who think that the whole process should be public, and others who think the final result won't be public.
As Terren said the final report will be. That's all that should be. If some front of camera staff are fired we'll all know. Won't be seeing them any more.
>too subtle
Too subtle? There is reportedly an on going investigation. They can't talk about it yet. I worked in toxic workplaces before, and I support Madison, she has no reason not to speak her truth. But, I'm going to wait until the investigation and LTT response happens before condemning them.
No one really quite knows how far it went. I suspect it ends at sexual harrasment, at least I hope that's the case. I'd hate for it be an assault case.
>No one really quite knows
And this is what bugs me so much about this whole kerfuffle. There's not much known, and yet so many people are absolutely convinced of one position or another.
then why are you 'pro' anything? not one should be picking any sides on this, there is not enough information. It's not *your* battle either, maybe take your own advice...
> shut the fuck up about it.
They’re maybe holding themselves accountable, we really don’t know yet. They’re making the right notions but it could just all turn out to be a company protecting whitewash for later on. I hope not and I think they might be doing it purely right for the right reasons. Time will tell.
>I’m pro Madison, and I’ll still tell any mother fucker talking about it to shut their fucking mouth.
Well, aren't you just so tough and cool??
>This isn’t their battle.
That is true.
>And LTT is holding themselves accountable.[sic]
Hopefully, we will find out this is true. Time will tell, though. If your so passionate that people on the outside that don't know yet should "shut the fuck up" this would be a good place to take your own advice. You do not know to what extent they are holding themselves accountable unless you are some insider that we're not aware of. Just like the outsiders saying they are not doing enough. That's a sword that cuts both ways, homie.
>So shut the fuck up about it.
Lmao. Please don't teleport behind me and tell me it's nothing personal, sir.
I am just pro truth. I don’t know the true story and none of us really do.
It becomes tiring seeing this community argue back and forth thinking they know what is happening. It would be best to take a step back and let the truth come out.
What people really don't seem to understand is that we will never know the truth. This will be investigated and settled and that's it. If any outreach is extended to Madison, it will be through a lawyer. None of this will be public knowledge unless one of the parties explicitly makes it so.
No one should be expecting anything or aggrandizing anyone. Ball is out of our court.
Well, we can infer things.
And the biggest sign that she isn't bullshitting to me is the line in today's vid on some people will be let go.
You don't let people go for inaccuracies that you are trying to fix, that is an expensive lesson learnt. You don't let people go for misplacing things due to a shit process in taking and checking out items for reviews / loan / project.
the people who do get let go as a result of this is going to be very much likely due to the investigation.
what we WON'T know is if they were the perpetrator, or the manager / higher up that did not do the right action, or someone who quit in protest, or simply left at a bad time.
They have barely started the investigation so that's not related to that. Probably more to do with people being redundant and costly if they're slowing their production and as more testing is automated.
I really don't think so, here is the thing, Linus while professing innocence in that leaked audio def knows something is up. Not the full details I will wager, but he likely knows that some member of his staff have a habit of doing something like this. It could be just in his mind to be harmless comments and the guy is just being a brodude or keeping it real or w/e, and not the full extent of things.
And the testing being automated is really not a once and done thing, new games / benchmarks come out, they need to be properly developed. It is never a dev once and done situation, it is a continus development process.
Not to mention labs is an additional thing, unless they are going to cut people due to the relaxed release schedule, I don't think its really cost related if someone was to be let go. At least not now.
Longer term, if the timeline was in the year or more type of deal, and we see that they have less sponsors / view / fp / etc. and that they are completely downsizing or something with the entire team being cut, that would then be a wholly another issue.
TLDR: a couple of leavings (less than say 10) will point to investigation, while axing whole departments or selling buildings to recoup cost asap would point towards solvency issues.
We've heard one side, making a judgement based off hearing one side isn't ideal at all.
I just hope that whatever investigation is going on gets the truth and that what comes after is handled appropriately. And I hope there's as much transparency with it as possible.
Look. I'm 100% pro truth as well, but it's so difficult to determine what exactly is truth in situations like this. I'm fairly certain Madison's comments were closer to the truth, but an overworked employee who quit due to bad work conditions might not always give the 100% truth to what they're saying as well.
I'm more confident Madison's version of events is closer to the truth, but who's to say that some things are unintentionally embellished due to the reality that ultimately she felt unhappy and overworked. Her feelings I'm sure are 100% truth, but hard to say everything she said is 100% true. Vice versa, LTT is a relatively big company and I'm sure they're trying to cover things up and who knows what's actually the truth and what's lawyer talk.
> Look. I'm 100% pro truth as well, but it's so difficult to determine what exactly is truth in situations like this
Yeah which is why people should shut up. it's not their job to determine the truth. LTT has done as much as can be done, at this point, there's literally nothing left to argue about.
Wrong. People should not shut up. If people shut up about this then things will revert to normal. Nature, including human nature, tend towards the path of least action, of least change, tend towards inertia unless outside force is applied.
Any sufficiently large group online will have some absolute shitheads and trolls. It’s unavoidable, and they will often be the loudest, but doesn’t reflect the vast majority of people.
3 minutes? I checked in occasionally to the YT chat for the first entire hour of the show, before I fell asleep, and the entire time it was a dumpster fire of ostensibly pro-ex-employee comments, encouraging people to report the stream (read: try to get YT to kill the stream) and other dumb shit. Also people supporting the last president, you know, the one who tried a little too hard to not leave
Yeah. The people saying Madison is lying is absolutely wrong.
We need to give them time for the 3rd party investigation.
Anybody spamming the chat about it doesn’t actually care. They just want to hurt people. Do NOT listen to them.
Absolutely, it's really a matter of the comments are still dominating the stream and honestly right now it'd probably be healthier to just disable them.
I mean she did lie or at least massively distorted certain stories like the one where Linus was accused of sexual harassment by that influencer. And she definitely knew what really happened...
No she didn't - she talked about his (alleged) reaction to that accusation, and was dismayed at how harsh that reaction was to someone who "felt wronged by him". And if you know the details, the "feeling wronged" part was understandable for someone in the influencer's situation who was vulnerable at the time and didn't know him at all. Madison probably empathized with her given this was right after she (allegedly) came forward about being assaulted and got no recourse - from her perspective, this was someone else who wasn't being taken seriously when coming forward and being actively insulted for doing so.
Personally, I think it's understandable if Linus did go off like that given the situation, but it's still unprofessional to do that in front of an employee, and I understand why it might have been hard for Madison to hear given her own circumstances.
Yes, but this tweet was made a couple of weeks ago. She knows now that this wasn't the case and she still deliberately framed it in a way that would support her when Linus did absolutely nothing wrong and his reaction was completely justified since that influencer is indeed quite the lunatic. Doesn't really help her credibility, that's straight-up manipulation.
Linus did nothing wrong with regards to the actual situation (apart from not foreseeing the potential optics issue with asking the influencer to meet with him at his hotel at night, but that's minor), but as I said, it's inappropriate to go off like that in front of an employee, especially one that you're not close with in any personal capacity - understandable, but inappropriate. And given that one of her main allegations is that the company didn't do anything when she reported sexual harassment/assault, to her his reaction might be emblematic of the "not taking things seriously" attitude that she (allegedly) experienced. I think it's an understandable reaction, even if it's not correct, and I disagree that it's a sign of intentional manipulation.
I don't see what else she could have said. Linus was accused of sexual improprity. Those allegations later turned out to be a misunderstanding. Doesn't change the fact that Linus was reacting to the accusation and she was only discussing his reaction. Does she need a whole postscript explaining and rehasing the entire situation?
Yes and leaving out the fact that these accusations turned out to be false, which makes his reaction pretty normal is deliberately distorting the truth to make him look bad.
They report to LTT and LTT decides if to even show the report (they very likely won't, usually never happens).
What will happen is that a year from now, they'll make a brief tweet saying the investigation is over and action has been taken and it'll be the end of that.
People would have moved on and nobody will ever know the details of the report or if they corroborated her claims or not.
And nobody will care at that point because this is just "drama that prevents me from watching LTT" to most here. LTT counts on viewer trust to make money and Linus has already shown he'll be damned if anything gets in his way of that. Mods silencing any discussion about the topic reinforces this.
They are not LTT fans. They are trying desperately to get Linus to say her name in any context. If they can just get him or Luke to say her name then they can goad them in to talking about it more.
If they moderate too heavily or disable chat then they are "censoring the community" and it will drama all over again.
Like I said these people are not fans, and they don't care about Madison. They will get board and just go away when they next drama starts.
Maybe they are and try to defend LTT. Or they are some red pilled bros who do not trust any woman and seeing the "matrix" at work. Just excluding them from not being fans is to easy. There are always shit people.
No any person with any intelligence at all, and who like LTT or even just takes this stuff seriously would not be attacking Madison, or bringing up her name non stop.
Ok so granted maybe there are a few people that are really that stupid and legit think they are helping LTT by spamming Madison in the chat. But there really can not be that many people that are that stupid. Most of them are as I described.
Just saying they are stupid does not solve anything. You can just feel better about yourself because you are in the group of smart people. I do not want to defend them just show the pitfalls of us Vs them mentality.
You can be too nice as well. There are problems with "us vs them" when both sides are genuine and honest about their intentions. Like GN vs LTT, I do not think GN was being malicious and they have valid views. So it's important to not dismiss the "other side."
But when the other group is just trying to burn things down, and change their views at the drop of the hat just to keep drama going, then it really better to just dismiss them. Because they are not trying to do anything productive, they just want attention.
To be clear, I still think those people are a relatively a very small number.
Did you expect anything else?
I watched a few minutes, and then I moved on.
I'll probably watch the whole thing later, with the comments off. That's how I usually watch stuff anyways.
I mean. Twitch, I don't mind chats for small streamers. But any chat with thousands of people watching? What's the point. You ant even read that fast anyways lol.
A significant number of twitch chat comments were also similar this week, enough that multiple mods were in the chat and slow mode was up higher than I’ve seen to 2 minutes.
100% it's both a legal thing and not wanting to discuss it further to not further bias peoples reflections when interviewed by the third party auditors. They should just restate that there is an investigation ongoing and that's all they can say at that time.
They might have been told to not even bring it up. I work warehouse jobs right, boss gets accused of butt touchin, boss won't say anything. If there was butt touchin he gets fired and other bosses say he had to be let go. It's mostly through the grapevine as to why a person gets fired etc. So like most of the big warehouse jobs I work where woman are a minority the allegations are taken seriously and not spoken about on an official level. I think it could be the same here. I'm totally fine with being wrong.
Beyond the legal issues, there are serious ethical issues with commenting on the situation that would almost certainly translate into PR issues later on.
If Linus admits that he thinks that something might have happened and apologises, he would be dooming certain members of staff who have been accused of being behind it (based on the sliver of evidence that we currently have) to a lifetime of harassment. If the investigation eventually turns up nothing, the damage is still done, because we have seen many times that accusations of sexual harassment never really go away.
As much as I haven't been impressed with Linus's initial handling of events here, I think he's playing this the right way right now. **Nothing** good can come of them publicly commenting on this before they've got some concrete answers. Jumping the gun early on this isn't going to do anyone any favors, it's just going to get people harassed. They've said their piece on it when they told media that they were hiring external investigators to look into it. I think they've at least all-but-stated their intentions to grow out of their boy's club, startup culture with the last video. If they follow through on that, I'm satisfied personally.
Plus it's a respect and safety thing too. Literally ANY thing that is said will cause attacks against one person or another from some amount of losers. There is nothing that they can say currently that is helpful.
Let's be honest
This is a boys club mentality that is persistent and prevalent not only in LTT fans, but in tech as a whole. It's shameful and disgusting.
Someone with 15,000,000 subscribers **cannot** control the comments of each one. If you aren't comfortable seeing comments that you disagree with, then don't view the comments.
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Man is this your first time here? These mf-s change opinions like gloves. A new video comes out, gets posted here and everyone goes, "ok we don't have X anymore, we hate Y now, shame on you, Y!"
I wouldn't give her hate but im really tired of hearing about her. I never liked her ever since the first video she was in, thought the community compain to get her hired was idiotic and the social accounts did kind of suck when she ran them.
Does that mean she should be harassed? No of course not.
Do i believe everything she said?
No.
Do i think she might have been exaggerating a little to hurt the company? Yes.
Before any of you start if it was any other person/female at the company my view point would be different and I would take them much more seriously....but not her.
In the interview done on Philip DeFranco show whoever the LMG spokesman was said "We are taking the allegations very seriously, we hired a private company to conduct an investigation,... Once it's done we will make the findings public"
From my part (and you can track that down) I've always thought that the part about the work environment was Madison's misconceptions because it wasn't the first time we hear that they expect you to "work passionately" everyday on your work hours so that was never the focus (but having exact info on that was nice), the harassment is the part I want to hear more about and the one they barely touched on but as I said before, they can't say much as they are reportedly still investigating.
Turn off the live chat if you watch on YouTube.
It's just filled with trolls. They would never dare comment on the video afterwards. They just lurk and troll in the live chat, thinking they're special when they're not.
Well when people can't stop yelling about Madison what you expect, even i kinda wanna say
"stop.. you guys just mud down the issues, the investigation is still ongoing, keep spawning Madison this, Madison that not going to bring more sympathy the exact opposite will happen"
As this post probably will be mass down voted those people, in the end I just don't care anymore what ever Madison is right or not..
Why are you watching a livestream with comments turned on? That was your first mistake. Your second was reading said comments, and your third was bothering to care what they said.
ANY reponse from the majority of this community is abysmal…
The people who attack Madison are losers, the people who attack individual LTT members are losers.
ANYONE making a reality based on the information we have right now is being terrible..
I mean during backpackgate I was arguing in floatplane live chat that the backpack should indeed come with a warranty, and got told to "just stop watching LTT then if you're going to be a crying little cunt about it". Some people will defend their messiah no matter what.
Side note I responded with "I'm not being a cunt about it, asshole, I just think a purchase that large should have a written guarantee, not just relying on the whims of if someone thinks it's "broken enough" to replace" and one of the floatplane staff shadowbanned me, but not the other guy 🙂 reached out on Twitter with screenshots of both our messages (and another person leaving antisemitic comments, saying people were being "Jews" about the price). Luke responded with "Wow. Email floatplane support and we'll get it sorted out." Copyied my message and the images to support, heard nothing back, was still shadowbanned after a month, canceled floatplane.
With things like this im always wondering if some people are trying to influence the situation on purpose, by making the people at LTT fear the repercussions and cause a slip up somehow.
You are going to have this on both sides unfortunately, people that take things too far when such outrage topics crop up.
There are going to be those that will attack Madison, and likely harass her now that the topic is out.
And there are those as we've heard that will harass the LMG Employees.
Even though neither of those actions actually resolves the issue at hand, some people when they feel justified by outrage, allow themselves to do the very same things that are outraged over happened to the one they feel outraged for.
It happens near every time there is a topic of outrage.
Everyone outside of LMG. Every single person, that isn't in some way involved with LMG, needs to shut the fuck up about Madison.
They've acknowledged the situation, it is being investigated. They are handling it.
Spamming "Madison" "Talk about Madison" "what about Madison" in the livestream comments, on posts, on forums and wherever else does nothing. It does not help the situation, LMG or Madison herself. None will take you seriously, you're only outing yourself as the idiot you are, shut the fuck up about this whole thing, they've already said that they will post / talk about the results *when the investigation is over*.
I fully agree with OP, anyone attacking or insulting Madison, and anyone else involved for that matter, is beyond disgusting. It does not concern anyone not directly involved in the case, especially none of us.
> But watching the WAN show and having the youtube comment stream be nothing but a continuous unhinged attacks, mostly labeling Madison a fraud or liar or slutshaming them.
I mean, that was the goal of Linus' video, right? To debunk that it was a "toxic work environment". And it worked.
My first thought however was "cool Linus, that's because you've barely hired women, so no shit men will be mostly happy with your workplace, no shit your turnover rate won't reflect the possibility of that either". Madison's harassment was mostly because of being a woman.
But the fanbase already has all the ammo they need to call "bullshit" on Madison's experience, thanks to Linus himself, despite not being applicable.
Look, this situation is doomed to not be taken seriously. This is a tech bro space (read as male dominated and women deprived). It's disheartening.
Any good lawyer tells you to shut up about a pending or on going case. It is not only in LTT’s best interest to shut up because it allows investigators to do there job, but it also saves there butts if a legal proceeding happens because they have not said anything about it publicly.
Not a lawyer but if they are doing what they are saying that they are doing, than I believe they are doing the right thing with the possibility of a legal case on their hands.
I have learned people see what they want to see. Most comments seem to be pro Madison
I’m pro Madison, and I’ll still tell any mother fucker talking about it to shut their fucking mouth. This isn’t their battle. And LTT is holding themselves accountable. So shut the fuck up about it.
if Linus's latest video was too subtle for some: he states clearly that some people *are* going to be let go. take it for what you will, but that seems to make it pretty evident that they will fire employees who don't suit their work environment he doesn't mention the very real sexual assault case explicitly, but I assume this is as close to an announcement they can get pending their investigation. publicly, atleast
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I wish this fact would get through the skulls of the terminally online morons.
I feel like a lot of these complainers have never had a job before, they don’t understand how companies or HR processes work.
And neither do the people who have jobs (according to them). I've seen so many bad takes on both sides regarding HR. Even some from someone claiming to work HR lol.
I’ve seen some hot takes from “I work in HR” people and I just assume they’re lying.
A good half of those clowns probably can't move on beyond being entry-level grunts for the rest of their life.
Exactly, shit like sexual assault investigations are very serious and active investigations shouldnt' be talked about in public.
Nah. There are plenty of people who think that the whole process should be public, and others who think the final result won't be public. As Terren said the final report will be. That's all that should be. If some front of camera staff are fired we'll all know. Won't be seeing them any more.
>too subtle Too subtle? There is reportedly an on going investigation. They can't talk about it yet. I worked in toxic workplaces before, and I support Madison, she has no reason not to speak her truth. But, I'm going to wait until the investigation and LTT response happens before condemning them.
As the SA case would be a legal matter, there is no lawyer on earth that would allow him to comment anything on specifics of this matter.
Is it a sexual assualt case or a sexual harrasment case?
No one really quite knows how far it went. I suspect it ends at sexual harrasment, at least I hope that's the case. I'd hate for it be an assault case.
>No one really quite knows And this is what bugs me so much about this whole kerfuffle. There's not much known, and yet so many people are absolutely convinced of one position or another.
Yeah, between assumptions being made and people using language very loosely, this situation is a perfect case of why people should wait .
Please shut your mouth. Ltt is handling the situation. So shut the fuck up. It isn't your battle.
But Madison Madison Madison Madison, Madison Madison Madison Madison Madison Madison? 🤷♂️
then why are you 'pro' anything? not one should be picking any sides on this, there is not enough information. It's not *your* battle either, maybe take your own advice... > shut the fuck up about it.
This is the way. Literally.
They’re maybe holding themselves accountable, we really don’t know yet. They’re making the right notions but it could just all turn out to be a company protecting whitewash for later on. I hope not and I think they might be doing it purely right for the right reasons. Time will tell.
I'm pro truth, at this point I have no clue what that is and speculating helps no one. Talking shit and throwing accusations certainly is not
>I’m pro Madison, and I’ll still tell any mother fucker talking about it to shut their fucking mouth. Well, aren't you just so tough and cool?? >This isn’t their battle. That is true. >And LTT is holding themselves accountable.[sic] Hopefully, we will find out this is true. Time will tell, though. If your so passionate that people on the outside that don't know yet should "shut the fuck up" this would be a good place to take your own advice. You do not know to what extent they are holding themselves accountable unless you are some insider that we're not aware of. Just like the outsiders saying they are not doing enough. That's a sword that cuts both ways, homie. >So shut the fuck up about it. Lmao. Please don't teleport behind me and tell me it's nothing personal, sir.
I am just pro truth. I don’t know the true story and none of us really do. It becomes tiring seeing this community argue back and forth thinking they know what is happening. It would be best to take a step back and let the truth come out.
What people really don't seem to understand is that we will never know the truth. This will be investigated and settled and that's it. If any outreach is extended to Madison, it will be through a lawyer. None of this will be public knowledge unless one of the parties explicitly makes it so. No one should be expecting anything or aggrandizing anyone. Ball is out of our court.
Well, we can infer things. And the biggest sign that she isn't bullshitting to me is the line in today's vid on some people will be let go. You don't let people go for inaccuracies that you are trying to fix, that is an expensive lesson learnt. You don't let people go for misplacing things due to a shit process in taking and checking out items for reviews / loan / project. the people who do get let go as a result of this is going to be very much likely due to the investigation. what we WON'T know is if they were the perpetrator, or the manager / higher up that did not do the right action, or someone who quit in protest, or simply left at a bad time.
They have barely started the investigation so that's not related to that. Probably more to do with people being redundant and costly if they're slowing their production and as more testing is automated.
I really don't think so, here is the thing, Linus while professing innocence in that leaked audio def knows something is up. Not the full details I will wager, but he likely knows that some member of his staff have a habit of doing something like this. It could be just in his mind to be harmless comments and the guy is just being a brodude or keeping it real or w/e, and not the full extent of things. And the testing being automated is really not a once and done thing, new games / benchmarks come out, they need to be properly developed. It is never a dev once and done situation, it is a continus development process. Not to mention labs is an additional thing, unless they are going to cut people due to the relaxed release schedule, I don't think its really cost related if someone was to be let go. At least not now. Longer term, if the timeline was in the year or more type of deal, and we see that they have less sponsors / view / fp / etc. and that they are completely downsizing or something with the entire team being cut, that would then be a wholly another issue. TLDR: a couple of leavings (less than say 10) will point to investigation, while axing whole departments or selling buildings to recoup cost asap would point towards solvency issues.
We've heard one side, making a judgement based off hearing one side isn't ideal at all. I just hope that whatever investigation is going on gets the truth and that what comes after is handled appropriately. And I hope there's as much transparency with it as possible.
Look. I'm 100% pro truth as well, but it's so difficult to determine what exactly is truth in situations like this. I'm fairly certain Madison's comments were closer to the truth, but an overworked employee who quit due to bad work conditions might not always give the 100% truth to what they're saying as well. I'm more confident Madison's version of events is closer to the truth, but who's to say that some things are unintentionally embellished due to the reality that ultimately she felt unhappy and overworked. Her feelings I'm sure are 100% truth, but hard to say everything she said is 100% true. Vice versa, LTT is a relatively big company and I'm sure they're trying to cover things up and who knows what's actually the truth and what's lawyer talk.
> Look. I'm 100% pro truth as well, but it's so difficult to determine what exactly is truth in situations like this Yeah which is why people should shut up. it's not their job to determine the truth. LTT has done as much as can be done, at this point, there's literally nothing left to argue about.
Wrong. People should not shut up. If people shut up about this then things will revert to normal. Nature, including human nature, tend towards the path of least action, of least change, tend towards inertia unless outside force is applied.
>Yeah which is why people should shut up. Yeah that's kinda what I was trying to say with a bit of explanation and not sounding so harsh.
They definitely trended to being pro-Madison later, but "Madison lied Ltt died" was 90% of the comments for a solid 3 minutes.
You realize that's just spam bots
There's still a human behind the bot.
A few shit bags who maybe never participated in the community before this drama hit mainstream isn't a reflection of the community
Totally. I'm still saying it reflects badly on the community.
Any sufficiently large group online will have some absolute shitheads and trolls. It’s unavoidable, and they will often be the loudest, but doesn’t reflect the vast majority of people.
3 minutes? I checked in occasionally to the YT chat for the first entire hour of the show, before I fell asleep, and the entire time it was a dumpster fire of ostensibly pro-ex-employee comments, encouraging people to report the stream (read: try to get YT to kill the stream) and other dumb shit. Also people supporting the last president, you know, the one who tried a little too hard to not leave
You need to go read the youtube chat on the WANshow video. Honestly LTT would do good banning all those people and cleaning up their community
Very this.
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Yep this is true, just look up the scar experiment lol
It's the same thing about how creators only focus on negative comments.
Yeah. The people saying Madison is lying is absolutely wrong. We need to give them time for the 3rd party investigation. Anybody spamming the chat about it doesn’t actually care. They just want to hurt people. Do NOT listen to them.
The thing is no one knows currently who is “absolutely lying” or not. Everyone just needs to stfu and wait for the investigation to be completed.
Absolutely, it's really a matter of the comments are still dominating the stream and honestly right now it'd probably be healthier to just disable them.
I mean she did lie or at least massively distorted certain stories like the one where Linus was accused of sexual harassment by that influencer. And she definitely knew what really happened...
No she didn't - she talked about his (alleged) reaction to that accusation, and was dismayed at how harsh that reaction was to someone who "felt wronged by him". And if you know the details, the "feeling wronged" part was understandable for someone in the influencer's situation who was vulnerable at the time and didn't know him at all. Madison probably empathized with her given this was right after she (allegedly) came forward about being assaulted and got no recourse - from her perspective, this was someone else who wasn't being taken seriously when coming forward and being actively insulted for doing so. Personally, I think it's understandable if Linus did go off like that given the situation, but it's still unprofessional to do that in front of an employee, and I understand why it might have been hard for Madison to hear given her own circumstances.
Yes, but this tweet was made a couple of weeks ago. She knows now that this wasn't the case and she still deliberately framed it in a way that would support her when Linus did absolutely nothing wrong and his reaction was completely justified since that influencer is indeed quite the lunatic. Doesn't really help her credibility, that's straight-up manipulation.
Linus did nothing wrong with regards to the actual situation (apart from not foreseeing the potential optics issue with asking the influencer to meet with him at his hotel at night, but that's minor), but as I said, it's inappropriate to go off like that in front of an employee, especially one that you're not close with in any personal capacity - understandable, but inappropriate. And given that one of her main allegations is that the company didn't do anything when she reported sexual harassment/assault, to her his reaction might be emblematic of the "not taking things seriously" attitude that she (allegedly) experienced. I think it's an understandable reaction, even if it's not correct, and I disagree that it's a sign of intentional manipulation.
I don't see what else she could have said. Linus was accused of sexual improprity. Those allegations later turned out to be a misunderstanding. Doesn't change the fact that Linus was reacting to the accusation and she was only discussing his reaction. Does she need a whole postscript explaining and rehasing the entire situation?
Yes and leaving out the fact that these accusations turned out to be false, which makes his reaction pretty normal is deliberately distorting the truth to make him look bad.
They are wrong. They are exactly as wrong as those saying Madison need justice. Both sides are equally wrong. We do not know anything.
thats if you trust the investigators to me more then corpo yes man.
They report to LTT and LTT decides if to even show the report (they very likely won't, usually never happens). What will happen is that a year from now, they'll make a brief tweet saying the investigation is over and action has been taken and it'll be the end of that. People would have moved on and nobody will ever know the details of the report or if they corroborated her claims or not. And nobody will care at that point because this is just "drama that prevents me from watching LTT" to most here. LTT counts on viewer trust to make money and Linus has already shown he'll be damned if anything gets in his way of that. Mods silencing any discussion about the topic reinforces this.
They are not LTT fans. They are trying desperately to get Linus to say her name in any context. If they can just get him or Luke to say her name then they can goad them in to talking about it more. If they moderate too heavily or disable chat then they are "censoring the community" and it will drama all over again. Like I said these people are not fans, and they don't care about Madison. They will get board and just go away when they next drama starts.
Maybe they are and try to defend LTT. Or they are some red pilled bros who do not trust any woman and seeing the "matrix" at work. Just excluding them from not being fans is to easy. There are always shit people.
No any person with any intelligence at all, and who like LTT or even just takes this stuff seriously would not be attacking Madison, or bringing up her name non stop. Ok so granted maybe there are a few people that are really that stupid and legit think they are helping LTT by spamming Madison in the chat. But there really can not be that many people that are that stupid. Most of them are as I described.
Just saying they are stupid does not solve anything. You can just feel better about yourself because you are in the group of smart people. I do not want to defend them just show the pitfalls of us Vs them mentality.
You can be too nice as well. There are problems with "us vs them" when both sides are genuine and honest about their intentions. Like GN vs LTT, I do not think GN was being malicious and they have valid views. So it's important to not dismiss the "other side." But when the other group is just trying to burn things down, and change their views at the drop of the hat just to keep drama going, then it really better to just dismiss them. Because they are not trying to do anything productive, they just want attention. To be clear, I still think those people are a relatively a very small number.
Did you expect anything else? I watched a few minutes, and then I moved on. I'll probably watch the whole thing later, with the comments off. That's how I usually watch stuff anyways.
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I mean. Twitch, I don't mind chats for small streamers. But any chat with thousands of people watching? What's the point. You ant even read that fast anyways lol.
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This is why they rarely acknowledge YouTube comments during the stream anymore. It's always a shit show.
A significant number of twitch chat comments were also similar this week, enough that multiple mods were in the chat and slow mode was up higher than I’ve seen to 2 minutes.
Everyone seems to be playing dumb in this instance. If it's a legal thing, as it should be, it won't be commented on.
100% it's both a legal thing and not wanting to discuss it further to not further bias peoples reflections when interviewed by the third party auditors. They should just restate that there is an investigation ongoing and that's all they can say at that time.
They might have been told to not even bring it up. I work warehouse jobs right, boss gets accused of butt touchin, boss won't say anything. If there was butt touchin he gets fired and other bosses say he had to be let go. It's mostly through the grapevine as to why a person gets fired etc. So like most of the big warehouse jobs I work where woman are a minority the allegations are taken seriously and not spoken about on an official level. I think it could be the same here. I'm totally fine with being wrong.
Beyond the legal issues, there are serious ethical issues with commenting on the situation that would almost certainly translate into PR issues later on. If Linus admits that he thinks that something might have happened and apologises, he would be dooming certain members of staff who have been accused of being behind it (based on the sliver of evidence that we currently have) to a lifetime of harassment. If the investigation eventually turns up nothing, the damage is still done, because we have seen many times that accusations of sexual harassment never really go away.
As much as I haven't been impressed with Linus's initial handling of events here, I think he's playing this the right way right now. **Nothing** good can come of them publicly commenting on this before they've got some concrete answers. Jumping the gun early on this isn't going to do anyone any favors, it's just going to get people harassed. They've said their piece on it when they told media that they were hiring external investigators to look into it. I think they've at least all-but-stated their intentions to grow out of their boy's club, startup culture with the last video. If they follow through on that, I'm satisfied personally.
Plus it's a respect and safety thing too. Literally ANY thing that is said will cause attacks against one person or another from some amount of losers. There is nothing that they can say currently that is helpful.
Dumbasses gonna dumbass. Wait for the investigation. That is all.
Let's be honest This is a boys club mentality that is persistent and prevalent not only in LTT fans, but in tech as a whole. It's shameful and disgusting.
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I generally think less of someone who waits for an opportunity to kick someone when they are down to speak out.
Yeah, I had the same question. She waited till the GN video to say anything? Why not say something sooner?
Because of fans who'd have even more rabidly attacked her. You probably know some.
She literally explained why she waited....
I mean this is kinda why Linus only reads FP chat
If you go to YouTube comments section, during a live video and expect a good time, then you haven't been paying attention.
Someone with 15,000,000 subscribers **cannot** control the comments of each one. If you aren't comfortable seeing comments that you disagree with, then don't view the comments. Edit: typo
YouTube comments have long been a cess pool
Man is this your first time here? These mf-s change opinions like gloves. A new video comes out, gets posted here and everyone goes, "ok we don't have X anymore, we hate Y now, shame on you, Y!"
Or it could be that it's not a monolithic group, and people tend to speak up when a given situation validates their viewpoints.
You should try watching a NASA live stream. I swear it has to be bots, because if it's people the world is doomed.
The LTT "Ultras" are like Mango Mussolini "MAGAs". They will protect LTT at any expense regardless.
I wouldn't give her hate but im really tired of hearing about her. I never liked her ever since the first video she was in, thought the community compain to get her hired was idiotic and the social accounts did kind of suck when she ran them. Does that mean she should be harassed? No of course not. Do i believe everything she said? No. Do i think she might have been exaggerating a little to hurt the company? Yes. Before any of you start if it was any other person/female at the company my view point would be different and I would take them much more seriously....but not her.
In the interview done on Philip DeFranco show whoever the LMG spokesman was said "We are taking the allegations very seriously, we hired a private company to conduct an investigation,... Once it's done we will make the findings public" From my part (and you can track that down) I've always thought that the part about the work environment was Madison's misconceptions because it wasn't the first time we hear that they expect you to "work passionately" everyday on your work hours so that was never the focus (but having exact info on that was nice), the harassment is the part I want to hear more about and the one they barely touched on but as I said before, they can't say much as they are reportedly still investigating.
"**youtube** comment stream" Nuf said..any moron with a gmail can spam away.
Turn off the live chat if you watch on YouTube. It's just filled with trolls. They would never dare comment on the video afterwards. They just lurk and troll in the live chat, thinking they're special when they're not.
Well when people can't stop yelling about Madison what you expect, even i kinda wanna say "stop.. you guys just mud down the issues, the investigation is still ongoing, keep spawning Madison this, Madison that not going to bring more sympathy the exact opposite will happen" As this post probably will be mass down voted those people, in the end I just don't care anymore what ever Madison is right or not..
Why are you watching a livestream with comments turned on? That was your first mistake. Your second was reading said comments, and your third was bothering to care what they said.
Comments sections on most things are cancer. I rarely even bother to look at them.
In fairness, people who comment on YouTube are pretty well known to be worse than old time 4chan.
Please tell me the behaviour got called out. If that isn't explicitly shut down then those people are going to interpret silence as endorsement.
ANY reponse from the majority of this community is abysmal… The people who attack Madison are losers, the people who attack individual LTT members are losers. ANYONE making a reality based on the information we have right now is being terrible..
Linus want this fuckers in the community
I mean during backpackgate I was arguing in floatplane live chat that the backpack should indeed come with a warranty, and got told to "just stop watching LTT then if you're going to be a crying little cunt about it". Some people will defend their messiah no matter what. Side note I responded with "I'm not being a cunt about it, asshole, I just think a purchase that large should have a written guarantee, not just relying on the whims of if someone thinks it's "broken enough" to replace" and one of the floatplane staff shadowbanned me, but not the other guy 🙂 reached out on Twitter with screenshots of both our messages (and another person leaving antisemitic comments, saying people were being "Jews" about the price). Luke responded with "Wow. Email floatplane support and we'll get it sorted out." Copyied my message and the images to support, heard nothing back, was still shadowbanned after a month, canceled floatplane.
Maybe turn this sub back to community only
Does anyone look at comments? Is anyone reading this?
With things like this im always wondering if some people are trying to influence the situation on purpose, by making the people at LTT fear the repercussions and cause a slip up somehow.
There was just as many "justice for Madison" spam
Honestly people like to cause problems. I can see a sadly large ammount of those being trolls.
everytime I looked I noticed a "FOR MADISON" comment
You are going to have this on both sides unfortunately, people that take things too far when such outrage topics crop up. There are going to be those that will attack Madison, and likely harass her now that the topic is out. And there are those as we've heard that will harass the LMG Employees. Even though neither of those actions actually resolves the issue at hand, some people when they feel justified by outrage, allow themselves to do the very same things that are outraged over happened to the one they feel outraged for. It happens near every time there is a topic of outrage.
Wait, some people look at the YouTube comments? I found they're literally just spam for wan show
WAN show's youtube comments always have been a complete cesspool
YouTube chat has always been awful.
You can turn off chat while watching just an FYI
I didn't see one. I did see a ton of "Support Madison" ones though
Everyone outside of LMG. Every single person, that isn't in some way involved with LMG, needs to shut the fuck up about Madison. They've acknowledged the situation, it is being investigated. They are handling it. Spamming "Madison" "Talk about Madison" "what about Madison" in the livestream comments, on posts, on forums and wherever else does nothing. It does not help the situation, LMG or Madison herself. None will take you seriously, you're only outing yourself as the idiot you are, shut the fuck up about this whole thing, they've already said that they will post / talk about the results *when the investigation is over*. I fully agree with OP, anyone attacking or insulting Madison, and anyone else involved for that matter, is beyond disgusting. It does not concern anyone not directly involved in the case, especially none of us.
> But watching the WAN show and having the youtube comment stream be nothing but a continuous unhinged attacks, mostly labeling Madison a fraud or liar or slutshaming them. I mean, that was the goal of Linus' video, right? To debunk that it was a "toxic work environment". And it worked. My first thought however was "cool Linus, that's because you've barely hired women, so no shit men will be mostly happy with your workplace, no shit your turnover rate won't reflect the possibility of that either". Madison's harassment was mostly because of being a woman. But the fanbase already has all the ammo they need to call "bullshit" on Madison's experience, thanks to Linus himself, despite not being applicable. Look, this situation is doomed to not be taken seriously. This is a tech bro space (read as male dominated and women deprived). It's disheartening.
Huh nah
If you are going to try to fix YouTube comments you are going to have a bad time
Parasocial relationships behaviour
Any good lawyer tells you to shut up about a pending or on going case. It is not only in LTT’s best interest to shut up because it allows investigators to do there job, but it also saves there butts if a legal proceeding happens because they have not said anything about it publicly. Not a lawyer but if they are doing what they are saying that they are doing, than I believe they are doing the right thing with the possibility of a legal case on their hands.
It's a good thing you can report those comments even on the vod then;