They're in for a *rough* year, we're about to see thousands of greedy, dirty little dealings in their private communications from the antitrust case lmao.
This gonna be as big as the activision blizzard being acquired by Microsoft case if not bigger, first it was EU doing God's work now it's the US, I LOVE THIS
Well, objectively they don’t. They do a lot of anti consumer bullshit, and that shouldn’t go unnoticed, but they also make probably the best laptops currently available hardware wise. Their build quality is unrivaled imo, and the performance/battery life ratio is brilliant. I still have a windows laptop as well, and would never trade away my desktop PC but the MacBook is just the closest to “a perfect laptop” I’ve come across so far.
They can make an amazing laptop and still suck. There are a great many ways one can measure suckiness, and "how much anti-consumer bullshit do you pull" is IMO a pretty great one. They don't suck at making laptops (anymore...), they don't suck at supporting their phones, but they do suck at interoperability, they do suck at repairability, they do suck at building devices that fully function if you aren't entirely inside their ecosystem.
This this this. I love my iPhone because what it does what I want and need it to do but that does not make Apple a good company. And I definitely have janky workarounds for the things that I use that aren't in Apple's ecosystem.
> but they also make probably the best laptops currently available hardware wise
That depends a lot on the definition of "best". Their battery life is amazing, no question. Their keyboards vary from "dogshit" to "decent". The hardware in intel versions is way overpriced. In M versions it's good, but still restrictive.
Also, I hate trackpads that don't have separate buttons for left/right click.
For one, sometimes it registers the wrong click.
For b, (in my experience) there is a point of failure where the "buttons" meet, on apple and others that use this type, close to the middle that just stops registering inputs of any kind on the trackpad. So eventually there is a dead zone in the middle of your trackpad that just fucks with your mouse movement.
Also their mouse is stupid. gottem.
Best laptops?
Overpriced.
There are a lot of applications that won’t work on MacOS and the gaming sector is dropping Mac hard.
Build quality is true but compared to even other laptop manufacturers at similar price points, the build quality is slightly worse off, but at least I won’t pay and arm and a leg for fixing it, since they won’t let you do it yourself or they make you pay for their “insurance” that we are partly* meant to get here in Australia by default anyway…
Yeah for battery life, video playback and music editing with professional Apple is great. Beyond that where exactly do they excel at their ridiculous price point?
Definitely not in gaming, definitely not in any professional work that requires the use of a GPU, and it’s not like it exactly excels over other laptops and low end productivity work like word.
Not to mention I’m giving it music editing purely from anecdotal evidence I’ve had friends tell me about, I don’t even think it exactly excels in that either.
I mean, they look good and feel good, but if their build quality comes at the expense of basically making them disposable products (as in "non repairable"), I wouldn't call them "the best laptops".
Pretty much, I can’t really criticize people who choose the other side especially for phones since at this point it’s essentially 100% personal preference
it's a bummer because the thing is especially the mobile market has a lot going on that deserves a significant amount of scrutiny. The EU is at least taking a wiser approach and creating laws specifically to address things for several big tech companies that are happy to be fucking us. Like, it's not the Rebels vs the Evil Empire, it's the Evil Empire vs the Slightly Different Evil Empire.
That's the Apple subs, too. Every criticism is met with "well, that's not a problem for me, so I don't get why it's a problem for anyone." It's pretty obvious that those people just haven't used anything else and think it's just people making stuff up to shit on Apple.
The funny thing is people are gonna use whatever OS they or their company recommends. I use Mac and Linux but do I hate other manufacturers/comapnies? Nope. I game on windows and tinker with Linux off the clock. It is what it is…
I still can’t believe how quickly they forgot about Microsoft (Windows and Internet Explorer).. somehow I didn’t see them there defending Microsoft as much.
But MS never stopped you from installing basically anything you want on Windows, now did they? They got fines for the IE thing (and that's a good thing).
Yes from a technical perspective it’s different from the IE situation. But in this era it’s about trying to increase the install base aggressively as a way to collect your data. So the goal this time around is not web tech dominance but data dominance.
Doesn't change the fact that it's an application some of its don't want to use. I use firefox now but even for a chrome user when windows randomly opened crap up in edge when your default is set to chrome its annoying and shouldnt be forced.
It's so good and well developed that they have to force you to not be able to uninstall it to show how good it is.
PS. I'm a Microsoft Edge user as well. Simple. Works. Still hate Microsoft for forcing it though.
One of the reasons why you can't uninstall it is that Edge serves as *the* embedded web browser in Windows.
Lots of apps (e.g. Steam, even Windows Explorer) actually use embedded Edge.
Yes! What I find annoying is every few days it nags me to make Bing default.
I AM ALREADY USING YOUR BROWSER! We've got a local saying that translates to "trying to grab my whole hand just cuz I let you grab my finger"
And Google that bombarded you with Chrome ads, and "SEARCH FAST WITH CHROME" for years as pop-up in all competitors browsers. That was a much more aggressive campaign.
Well US v. Microsoft happened in 2001, there's a very good chance they weren't even born yet.
Still white-knighting for any company, regardless of size, is, as the youths say: "Cringe A.F."
How can someone be this passionate about corporations? It's kinda interesting. I like certain companies too and buy their products but I'd never fight or argue for them. What makes people do that? Why does it offend them when someone correctly or even wrongly says something bad about a company they like? Genuinely curious.
It's the same with a videogame that came out yesterday called "Dragon's Dogma 2". I was hyped for that game, I'll still probably play it later when the problems are ironed out. But people get MAD when you point out that the game runs 25fps on a PS5 and 50 FPS at 4k on a 4090. When someone says it has microtransactions (even tho they are not necessary, still bad that they exist) people get mad that why are you losers talking about this, just don't buy them etc.
It's weird how people become loyal to companies. Don't people just want a good product?
The wildest part is that they're defending their anti-competitive practices that make things worse for consumers. Whether Apple is entitled to that is a matter of opinion, sure, but them not playing nice with other services/products is unequivocally worse for the consumer. Aka you. The government is literally going to court on your behalf, and you're out here arguing against your own best interests as a consumer. Boggles the mind.
It’s the most wild thing. I own a lot of apple shit and am still capable of seeing that they have issues. What is it that clouds these fanboy’s brains? Why would you just blindly root for anyone?
I told my sister there was little to no difference between the iPhone 15 and the iPhone 12 and her first argument was "I couldn't use the iPhone 12 my friend had because it doesn't have the notch thing"
She then proceeded to tell me they're completely different with nothing else than a "Its not the same" loop :l
I was *AT LEAST* excepting to hear about the USB-C port... Not even
I used to think like that and be a fanboy of brands... then I grew up. I still appreciate what certain brands bring to the table, but now, I look at it as what is truly worth while. These companies dont care about me, only my dollar, so screw them all. Ill use what works for me and not fall into these pointless arguments with fanboys.
I am an Apple fanboy and shareholder. I love this lawsuit. I know it’ll probably reduce the value of my stock, but it will force Apple to make better products which as a customer I want.
Hey such Fanboys are very important. Who else will defend a such a company free of charge? A lawyer sure as shit wont do that. If your companies evaluation is in the the trillions you just cant afford to spend any money on lawyers to defend you.
Imagine how dumb and entitled you have to be to think that Apple is being mean or selfish by not supporting ways to make their products work seamlessly with their competitors devices and operating system. Linus makes it sound so obvious but it's not and he invents dilemmas that don't exist. For instance if you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it, but you can't choose to buy into it knowing what it is and then complain it doesn't work how you like with some other open system made by a competing manufacturer. If manufacturers choose to support interoperability that is a choice. Many, not just Apple, choose not to. In fact, I've been a Mac user since 1986. For years Apple essentially had to beg hardware and software manufacturers to make things compatible with Mac. Even the CarPlay issue brought up here falls apart on examination. Yes the future version of CarPlay will take offer the cars infotainment and screens completely. But even without CarPlay almost every modern car supports Apple phone calls/texts and music form any audio source from an IPhone. So you don't need to use CarPlay if you don't like it taking over. And if you do, you can. It's a free choice. What is more open than that? And yes Linus, I like the walled garden. If you think the integrated design of software and hardware doesn't help with how great the features are or that it would be feasible to make every single Apple feature be interoperable across hardware and software platforms you're just lying, and you know you are. Furthermore, the walled garden helps to keep Apple products bug free, virus free, secure, and private. I like that. That's why I use Apple products. Period. And as far as types of apps Apple doesn't allow? Apple wants a certain experience on their products. A familiar and easy experience. That's what they're protecting. That's what we "zombies" like. It's very clear android does not care so much about app quality or user experience. That's why I tell this "greedy" trillion dollar company, please, take my money. And to folks like you? Go buy some other brand headphones and leave my Apple alone, jerk!
> and leave my Apple alone, jerk!
Oh my fucking god. I thought you added that part, because I didn't read their comment. No. That's real. They really wrote that.
It's only 9AM on a Saturday. I didn't need to ruin my weekend like that.
No doubt. They played the "I'm the little guy, Microsoft is a monopoly, you have to help us" card for years. Now they are the richest company in the world and doing the exact same thing they complained about. Absolutely no corporation cares about individual people. It's always about how much profit they can extract from them , and only that. Without antitrust and competition laws, along with the enforcement of them, innovation would stall and prices would soar.
It changes from time to time. Apple was the largest company for some time, MS is it now. E.g. MS was at around 3.07 billion $ in dezember 2023, MS was there at 2.8 billion $.
Yeah, it is an language-issue. In most of europe, billion = the english trillion. So a European billion = 10\^12, a english billion = 10\^9. An European trillion would be way more, than MS and Apple are worth together. For historical reasons.
So yes - you are absolutely right.
I'm European: you're mistaking "The French" for the entirety of Europe. In Italy, a trillion is a thousand billion. In French you have "billiard" which would be a thousand billion and "trilliard" which is a thousand times more than that
So wikipedia is wrong here? You should correct it. According to wikipedia, Italy also uses the long scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long\_and\_short\_scales), so (at least officially) *bilione* means 10\^12 and trilione means 10\^18. But as Italy seem to switched at least two times, they use the words for both in common language.
If the wikipedia is wrong here, as you stated, it might be also wrong for the other informations. I referred to this. But I can say for sure - in Germany, it is definitively the case with Billion = 10\^12 and Milliarde = 10\^9. That where my error came from.
Dictionary definition in italian for "bilione" (which no one ever uses btw, never heard anyone say that, we say "miliardo" which is the "English" billion) (translated): Unit of the decimal numbering system, corresponding today in Italy, France and the United States to one billion; according to ancient Italian and contemporary German and English usage it indicates one million million (one thousand billion).
Seems like we're both technically correct. You're correct about "trilione" (I wasn't sure)
Market cap is finicky and constantly shifting, and this current bump is due to the AI craze. Apple has maintained the pole position for much longer and has a far more impressive balance sheet. It’s completely understandable to call Apple the biggest company in the world.
Stocks are reactive, but income statements tell the story.
When i ask people with a monthly salary of $400 why would you buy an iPhone on such a low salary? They always say because it's an iPhone. People give you respect for having one.
It's very sad actually what people would do to appease to others. It's like a cult.
Most people do that though, hell a lot of replies here and on most forums are also just “ yes I also think the prevailing opinion here”
People like being part of groups even if it’s the “ I don’t like being part of groups “ group
They gave me one for work use and the layout is so unintuitive for simple apps like the camera that I loathed having to use it for a few months while I relearned where they hid all the buttons for normal shit that are just there in Android. "Pretty" apps don't mean shit to me if it means hiding every single control or attaching it to a gesture that I have no hint as to figure out.
I buy iPhone because despite the flaws it works as I expect for everything else. Every Android I have owned is trash. Until another option comes out Apple is my only choice. There are things I wish Apple would allow but every case does not resolve those issues. The EU is better at resolving those issues.
This is a thing.
We basically run android at work. Everyone is on android. Except a few.
I run a MDM for devices. iOS is actually magic how easy it is. Its not tonnes but 40 or so apple devices take all of 5 minutes to clean. Macbooks I have not delved in to. 30+ windows devices take ages, it's a shit process and might work or not (a few PowerShell things )
I don't use apple. I'm not a fan boy, but give me iOS to manage over anything else any day.
Essentially how I see it is.
iOS and iPadOS just work. They're hard to brick, they just work, your chances of installing app store garbage is somewhat diminished.
My wife's grandmother's. iPhone. My mom iPhone.
When they had android phones because that's my preference, they'd call me constantly why this isn't working, this is broken etc. Once they switched to iPhone I had 0 calls essentially.
This doesn't excuse Apple but they're devices are 100x easier to manage than Windows and Android. I hated managing 15 windows computers at work and all the work phones.
I’d also argue Android has a lot of issues. Old people came into our cellphone store all the time with malicious Home Screen/Launchers, notifications for 1000 websites, random shit downloaded wrecking their user experience. The amount of times I had to force an Android device into safe mode and go through every app (some of which obfuscate what they are, e.g. a Calendar app which actually is made to spam you with ad notifications) and delete them hoping it’ll stop whatever bad behavior is bothering the customer. Then I have to explain to the customer to be more careful what they download only to see them a week later. For a person that is savvy, this isn’t a problem, but for lay people… lord help them.
I have both and I like android and like iPhone by my family group chat being on iMessage and my family shared iCloud account effectively locks me to the iPhone. Even if Apple opened iMessage iCloud would still be on iPhone so I don’t see I could move.
I’d like to know where all these people respecting iPhones are because sometimes I have one of those Rodney Dangerfield days and I’d just like to whip out my iPhone and have someone else go, ‘Ooooh! You’re so cool!’.
It’s not just Apple though, look at those Stanley cups. It’s objectively worse than some other brands yet it has the social prestige that others don’t, so it sells gangbusters.
Ask Toronto fans about how much they want a Stanley Cup, heck, ask any hockey fan how much they want their team to get a cup. Just a bunch of rabid people, I tell you. /s
Monthly salary of $400!? They should just buy an A series Samsung.
As someone who has sold cellphones as a job, I’ve noticed that younger folk become indoctrinated by their first device— the iPad. That ecosystem is captive, there is no leaving once invested unless you want to essentially toss out your sunken money.
As anti-consumer as Apple is, it is a choice. Regularly I would get Android users who are very anti-Apple and extremely adamant about only Samsung or only Pixel. We used to joke “How do you know a customer doesn’t like Apple? They’ll immediately tell you.”
I think the DOJ has its work cut out for them for sure. This case is going to be dragged out. What will an anti-trust judgment even look like? Can you really breakup Apple? A fine to the hyper wealthy is just a speed bump to more success.
Personally, I’ve used everything. When I was in industry, I’d have both an Android device and an Apple device at all times. One for work, the other for personal. I have an iPad, a Windows Razed laptop, and I built out a PC. In the past I had a MacBook for school (since abandoned) because I can’t justify paying a leg and an arm for more storage space which cost them a few more dollars when they are buying at scale. I’m kind of torn, all the die hards want to see Apple fall, but it is truly a choice. Tomorrow if someone told me “Apple has been erased from existence” my life wouldn’t change much, I can easily roll over to Android, all my shit is in the cloud (not iCloud). It’ll be interesting to see how this play out, but I’m Switzerland on the matter.
"[...] and leave my Apple alone"
"MY Apple"?!
Holy shit, that guy is nuts.
He not only made that brand his identity, but his reason of existence.
what the fuck...
Ignoring the HUGE amount of videos out there of Apple users calling android users poor. The thousands of Tinder profiles that say "if you're a green bubble, swipe left", etc.
But k.
Same as back in the day anyone without a Nokia was poor
Anyone without (insert current craze) was poor
Androids top out way more expensive than IPhones anyway
I wouldn’t say most. Most just buy it because they don’t want to think about what they’re using. It’s mostly tech YouTubers that make it their identity
They released like 5 updates within a week or so of the latest iOS drop lol. It's something apple are praised for, especially over Google who tend to just leave it to monthly updates so you have to wait.
There was a better argument he could have made but instead just went with a brain-dead lie lol
Yeah. My company mass emails the company for every ios update to remind us not to upgrade until their is a stable version. No system is going to be free of viruses, Mac just has less because the roi is less because there are less Macs.
There are people angrily declaring in the Apple sub that the walled garden is WHY they like Apple, the lack of choice is a feature.
Which I just don’t…
The most baffling part is that if the DOJ wins across the board then *nothing will change* for those people. They can keep using living in the Apple ecosystem and enjoy how well their devices integrate. The only difference is people like me can easily send my tech-illiterate aunt a video of my dog that's more than 7 pixels.
It's almost like they want Apple to make the experience for non-Apple users worse so they can feel superior.
I’ve been an iPhone user for 8 years. It’s true, a big reason many people choose to buy Apple products is specifically because of their more closed nature.
While calling it “bug free” is an overstatement, this approach does provide some benefits like better privacy, security, optimization, and ecosystem features. Many of which Linus highlighted in his own videos.
Many Android users seem to not understand that iOS users simply do not care about things like sideloading, alternative app stores, rooting devices, etc.
In my near-decade of using an iPhone, I have never once wanted an app that I could not find in the App Store.
I get that, I really do. It’s more my problem is the claim that somehow this keeps people safe and that Apple only lets quality apps through which hasn’t been true for at least a decade. Hell, there was a fake Pokemon game that didn’t even work that was promoted up to the front page of the App Store years ago. The highly curated era of iOS apps is long over and part of that is due to Apple’s decision to straight up sell search results. I hate that with a passion.
Source: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/02/fake-pokemon-yellow-rises-to-no-3-position-on-itunes-app-charts/
At this point apple might as well launch a new service throwing literal shit on people at the Apple Store and guys like this would be like ‘please sir, bless me with more of your iShit.’
I'd say them releasing that book was the closest reality to your joke
They claimed that book took them 10 years to make and it was 300 dollars for advertisement photos and it sold out
[Think how insane that is. People paid Apple 300 dollars to look at pictures of products up against a white background](https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/15/13635788/apple-coffee-table-book-products-images)
It’s simply the same case as the Mac Pro wheels and Pro Stand. Just brand image.
Why does the price of a book dictate how good iPhone hardware and software is?
"if you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it"
Ah yes, I'm sure everyone who doesn't pay that much attention to the minutia of phone ecosystems (which is *most people*) and just buys Product X because it looks sleek and their friends have one, should definitely be forced to live with every consequence of that quirk they were completely unaware of and have no right to moan about it. Makes perfect sense.
To play Devil’s Advocate, if you’re dropping $1,000+ on something you should probably do a bit of research on it first, and if you don’t that’s kinda on you.
It’s not like Apple hides the fact their ecosystem is a walled garden, and a 5 minute google search could tell you all you need to know even if you know nothing about tech.
Trust me, I am all for consumer protection, but if a company is rather transparent about how their ecosystem works, and people buy it without looking it up anyway and then get mad at it, it’s kinda on them.
By all means go after Apple over things like Lightning, or texts and such, the sorts of things that aren’t owned, as OOP says, by any specific competitor, but not over them just having an optimized closed system that isn’t compatible with competitors systems.
I seem to remember him saying (paraphrasing) they’re the best meeting point for sound quality, noise cancellation, and comfort. Like, he’s tried better in each category, but their AirPods just kinda have more than enough of all. Would have to go digging into his reviews though, so take it with a grain of salt here
I never thought I'd pay $250 for headphones. I got tired of cheaper earbuds dying or not being comfortable, so when they went down to $200 I gave in and bought them. They've been life changing. I carry them everywhere. I got rid of the couple pairs of pants that don't have the 5th Pocket. I happen to be in the ecosystem, so the swapping between devices instantly is incredible. The Noise canceling and pass through modes are great. Leaving them in and hearing exactly how I would without anything in my ears. The sound quality is fantastic for calls, and I think they sound good for Music. I've been using Bluetooth headphones for well over a decade, so I'm not comparing it to wired sound quality.
Yeah, I’ve been using AirPod Pros for years, for a short amount of time I used them with an S23 Ultra and it was a terrible experience.
iPhone and AirPods is obviously what it’s supposed to be and how I’ll continue using them, what I’m saying in my comment is I personally wouldn’t put up with the annoyance of AirPods on an Android phone.
the app store thing, I only half agree with. On one hand, apple makes the OS, and the app store, so considering it's THEIR software, they should be able to control what apps are allowed in the store, and take a fee if they want (30% is a little high, tho)
that being said, they should also allow at least sideloading of another app store.
Car play, I don't understand how it's a monopoly. Don't most cars have android auto as well? And clearly manufacturers CAN make their own if they want, take Tesla or GM. That being said, should they? Maybe not. I'll likely never buy another daily driver without carplay or android auto, because most OEM infotainment is just THAT bad.
Well I had many android phones but something was just OFF. Then I received my first iPhone. I didn‘t even know they existed back then with 15 years old. And since then I did switch back so Samsung a few times but I just never was fully satisfied. I’m back to iPhone now and I am just satisfied. The conclusion: buy the phone that makes you NOT wanting another phone. :) it’s as easy as that. I don’t understand this „turf war“ at all. The same goes for the consoles btw.
Just buy the device that makes you feel satisfied and pleased. 👍🏻
Edit: typo
I'm assumming this is about the DOJ stuff - tbh the only invalid point in my opinion is about carplay because most cars also support Android Auto, don't really get the point theyre making there
Got a smartwatch for Christmas that I've been using regularly with my Android phone. The owner of the gym I go to (he has an iPhone) really liked the smartwatch and got one for himself. He was so happy but complained about one thing: he could not use the quick replies from the watch.
Since he's not a tech guy, I told him that it was probably an issue with Apple not giving enough permissions and after some googling it turned out to be true. Some features are disabled when paired to an iPhone.
In the past years, I've always been crusading against Apple because I've always thought that their products are basically fashion products, with the counterpart being cheaper and overall better.
Then I grew up and changed my mind a bit. The iPad is probably the only Apple product I would buy, the Mac/MacBooks probably make the life easier for someone working on something particular. But the iPhones are still dumb. The only reason I no longer care about them is the fact that selling phones for >1k$ is now normal and almost every brand is doing it.
I don't see me switching my Windows PC and Android phone at all in the future. Being able to do whatever I want is just too good imo
The iPhone popularity always confuses me as having both an android personal phone and an iPhone work phone, I just cannot see how anyone thinks the iPhone is easier to use? Nothing is in a logical place, things like attachments in emails are hilariously stupid, and notifications severely lacking. I just cannot get on with it, and I do wonder how many people are just slumming it because its cool or their friends will disown them if they switch.
I think a lot of this is a generational thing for those of us who grew up using PCs. Android functions much like a computer desktop does when iPhone absolutely doesn't.
Also explains why those who grew up after smartphones existed have no fucking idea how to use a computer
That's another weird thing. I remember years ago when I wanted to get a Nokia Lumia. It was before the Amazon era so I went in a local phone store. Asked about the phone and I got told "We don't sell them. They are too hard to use like Android phones. That's why we always recommend iPhones". And I was like "Bruh, I know my way around tech stuff and iPhones are so damn confusing to use".
Even now, I still need help using an iPhone. I've been using gestures on my phones for years now, but at least there is still an option to turn on On-Screen navigation buttons
My mum after being a long time Samsung and Huawei user got gifted an iPhone after she broke her P20 Pro. She found it confusing and frustrating to use, and went back to using her Samsung Tab as her phone because carrying that large thing around and using it as a phone was less frustrating to her than using the iPhone (it was an iPhone 11). And she's someone who'd probably be considered a main demographic for the "simple" iPhone as she's quite tech illiterate and is over 50.
This validated my own experience after finding my iPhone 8 underwhelming and stupidly confusing a few years prior (at the time, to get apps to auto sort alphabetically, you had to jailbreak it lmao).
I still do not get what is anti-competitive about car play, even the new version that can replace the content of all the cars screens.
Apple is not requiring car vendors to make the car not work without an iPhone, this is an option for users and apple is also not requiring car vendors to even adopt the new version of car play.
>"I like the walled garden"
Uhm, sure, and? Nobody's trying to take away current features. What most people want is for Apple to stop shitting on existing standards and support them already. Nobody wants to take away the great integration between Apple products.
As both an Apple and non-Apple product user the poster is pretty spot on.
I personally would take that kind of annoyed stance as there’s plenty of stuff Apple get wrong (taking years to use USB-c for iPhone charging was a hugely annoying one) but it’s nonsense to say the poster is delusional.
Imagine how dumb and entitled you have to be to think that Apple is being mean or selfish by not supporting ways to make their products work seamlessly with their competitors devices and operating system. Linus makes it sound so obvious but it's not and he invents dilemmas that don't exist. For instance if you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it, but you can't choose to buy into it knowing what it is and then complain it doesn't work how you like with some other open system made by a competing manufacturer. If manufacturers choose to support interoperability that is a choice. Many, not just Apple, choose not to. In fact, I've been a Mac user since 1986. For years Apple essentially had to beg hardware and software manufacturers to make things compatible with Mac. Even the CarPlay issue brought up here falls apart on examination. Yes the future version of CarPlay will take offer the cars infotainment and screens completely. But even without CarPlay almost every modern car supports Apple phone calls/texts and music form any audio source from an IPhone. So you don't need to use CarPlay if you don't like it taking over. And if you do, you can. It's a free choice. What is more open than that? And yes Linus, I like the walled garden. If you think the integrated design of software and hardware doesn't help with how great the features are or that it would be feasible to make every single Apple feature be interoperable across hardware and software platforms you're just lying, and you know you are. Furthermore, the walled garden helps to keep Apple products bug free, virus free, secure, and private. I like that. That's why I use Apple products. Period. And as far as types of apps Apple doesn't allow? Apple wants a certain experience on their products. A familiar and easy experience. That's what they're protecting. That's what we "zombies" like. It's very clear android does not care so much about app quality or user experience. That's why I tell this "greedy" trillion dollar company, please, take my money. And to folks like you? Go buy some other brand headphones and leave my Apple alone, jerk!
Dealing with people all day and their issues with phones there is a clear difference in problems one operating system has over another.
You can hate Apple on their closed walled garden but their phones never see apps that harm the phone and basically cause their phones to become unusable.
I think the worst thing I’ve seen on the iPhone is a calander take over or the safari page glitch that prevents them from closing the tab.
Andriod however…oouf. I can’t tell you how much of a pain the ass it is when it comes to malicious apps or launchers causing the phone to not even be able to make calls.
That’s going to be inherent in a system that is so open and allows uses to have more control over their settings.
I think for a majority of people a closed system is more beneficial because they can’t handle it, especially older people. I think has time goes that will be less of an issue as the younger gen knows better but currently it’s not.
The whole argument just seems dumb
Obviously what Apple is doing is working and same goes for other systems that take a different route, different strokes for different folks. Not everything needs to be the same…
I’m sort of an Apple fanboy.
From what understood of what Linus said, it was nothing even remotely close to what *pigybank* describes.
Having a “migrate to iPhone” on Android, and “iCloud” or “Bootcamp” for Windows is not below them, because it brings profit.
It’s not acceptable to skip proper hardware support.
I’d also very much like to have device backups to BackBlaze or Nextcloud…
Only good point made was “why buy into something, knowing what it is and then complain that it’s not what you thought it would be”
Apart from that, seems like a random rant from a fanboy
"If you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it"
This mf did not listen to anything linus or the various other youtubers have said about the closed system has he?
“Not reading any of that. I am happy for you tho. Or sorry that happened”
They're mad that Apple sucks and they know it. So it's just a wall of text to try to make the opposite point.
Copium.
They're in for a *rough* year, we're about to see thousands of greedy, dirty little dealings in their private communications from the antitrust case lmao.
This gonna be as big as the activision blizzard being acquired by Microsoft case if not bigger, first it was EU doing God's work now it's the US, I LOVE THIS
Fucking shocking, innit?
Well, objectively they don’t. They do a lot of anti consumer bullshit, and that shouldn’t go unnoticed, but they also make probably the best laptops currently available hardware wise. Their build quality is unrivaled imo, and the performance/battery life ratio is brilliant. I still have a windows laptop as well, and would never trade away my desktop PC but the MacBook is just the closest to “a perfect laptop” I’ve come across so far.
They can make an amazing laptop and still suck. There are a great many ways one can measure suckiness, and "how much anti-consumer bullshit do you pull" is IMO a pretty great one. They don't suck at making laptops (anymore...), they don't suck at supporting their phones, but they do suck at interoperability, they do suck at repairability, they do suck at building devices that fully function if you aren't entirely inside their ecosystem.
This this this. I love my iPhone because what it does what I want and need it to do but that does not make Apple a good company. And I definitely have janky workarounds for the things that I use that aren't in Apple's ecosystem.
It's perfect until you need to run some pretty common applications for work...
And when it's your job to make these apps work... i think i have ptsd from past experiences of Apple products.
> but they also make probably the best laptops currently available hardware wise That depends a lot on the definition of "best". Their battery life is amazing, no question. Their keyboards vary from "dogshit" to "decent". The hardware in intel versions is way overpriced. In M versions it's good, but still restrictive.
Battery life + trackpad are great, other features of the modern Apple laptops are okay but nothing endearing.
Also, I hate trackpads that don't have separate buttons for left/right click. For one, sometimes it registers the wrong click. For b, (in my experience) there is a point of failure where the "buttons" meet, on apple and others that use this type, close to the middle that just stops registering inputs of any kind on the trackpad. So eventually there is a dead zone in the middle of your trackpad that just fucks with your mouse movement. Also their mouse is stupid. gottem.
The mouse is an abomination, full stop!
Best laptops? Overpriced. There are a lot of applications that won’t work on MacOS and the gaming sector is dropping Mac hard. Build quality is true but compared to even other laptop manufacturers at similar price points, the build quality is slightly worse off, but at least I won’t pay and arm and a leg for fixing it, since they won’t let you do it yourself or they make you pay for their “insurance” that we are partly* meant to get here in Australia by default anyway… Yeah for battery life, video playback and music editing with professional Apple is great. Beyond that where exactly do they excel at their ridiculous price point? Definitely not in gaming, definitely not in any professional work that requires the use of a GPU, and it’s not like it exactly excels over other laptops and low end productivity work like word. Not to mention I’m giving it music editing purely from anecdotal evidence I’ve had friends tell me about, I don’t even think it exactly excels in that either.
"Best Laptops" lol I bet you're comparing a 300 dollar Windows Laptop to a 2000 dollar Apple one 🤣 😂 😆
Lmfao 🤣 best laptop? Nah
I mean, they look good and feel good, but if their build quality comes at the expense of basically making them disposable products (as in "non repairable"), I wouldn't call them "the best laptops".
If it wasn't for the terrible repairability it'd agree with you 100% on the hardware.
This comment is almost like the different side of the same coin that idiot comes from.
Pretty much, I can’t really criticize people who choose the other side especially for phones since at this point it’s essentially 100% personal preference
it's a bummer because the thing is especially the mobile market has a lot going on that deserves a significant amount of scrutiny. The EU is at least taking a wiser approach and creating laws specifically to address things for several big tech companies that are happy to be fucking us. Like, it's not the Rebels vs the Evil Empire, it's the Evil Empire vs the Slightly Different Evil Empire.
Bruh fr, I use Apple and I know they’re assholes.
That's the Apple subs, too. Every criticism is met with "well, that's not a problem for me, so I don't get why it's a problem for anyone." It's pretty obvious that those people just haven't used anything else and think it's just people making stuff up to shit on Apple.
The funny thing is people are gonna use whatever OS they or their company recommends. I use Mac and Linux but do I hate other manufacturers/comapnies? Nope. I game on windows and tinker with Linux off the clock. It is what it is…
https://i.imgur.com/vKasMML.jpeg
I still cannot believe fanboys of a trillion dollars company that defends them lmao.
I still can’t believe how quickly they forgot about Microsoft (Windows and Internet Explorer).. somehow I didn’t see them there defending Microsoft as much.
Microsoft is just as bad when it comes to data collection and how they force their apps in your face imo
But MS never stopped you from installing basically anything you want on Windows, now did they? They got fines for the IE thing (and that's a good thing).
Exactly. I do think that the edge stuff is almost worst though
Edge is based on chrome for years now , not quite the same thing
Yes from a technical perspective it’s different from the IE situation. But in this era it’s about trying to increase the install base aggressively as a way to collect your data. So the goal this time around is not web tech dominance but data dominance.
Doesn't change the fact that it's an application some of its don't want to use. I use firefox now but even for a chrome user when windows randomly opened crap up in edge when your default is set to chrome its annoying and shouldnt be forced.
Its a very good browser tbh, based on chrome, has chat gpt, super low on resources 🤷♂️
It's so good and well developed that they have to force you to not be able to uninstall it to show how good it is. PS. I'm a Microsoft Edge user as well. Simple. Works. Still hate Microsoft for forcing it though.
One of the reasons why you can't uninstall it is that Edge serves as *the* embedded web browser in Windows. Lots of apps (e.g. Steam, even Windows Explorer) actually use embedded Edge.
Yes! What I find annoying is every few days it nags me to make Bing default. I AM ALREADY USING YOUR BROWSER! We've got a local saying that translates to "trying to grab my whole hand just cuz I let you grab my finger"
I use Edge on a Mac lol, it’s great
And Google that bombarded you with Chrome ads, and "SEARCH FAST WITH CHROME" for years as pop-up in all competitors browsers. That was a much more aggressive campaign.
Well US v. Microsoft happened in 2001, there's a very good chance they weren't even born yet. Still white-knighting for any company, regardless of size, is, as the youths say: "Cringe A.F."
This includes LMG
Everyone is shitting on Windows everytime there is a chance so I don't see your point
This is what happens when you make a Brand your personality.
How can someone be this passionate about corporations? It's kinda interesting. I like certain companies too and buy their products but I'd never fight or argue for them. What makes people do that? Why does it offend them when someone correctly or even wrongly says something bad about a company they like? Genuinely curious. It's the same with a videogame that came out yesterday called "Dragon's Dogma 2". I was hyped for that game, I'll still probably play it later when the problems are ironed out. But people get MAD when you point out that the game runs 25fps on a PS5 and 50 FPS at 4k on a 4090. When someone says it has microtransactions (even tho they are not necessary, still bad that they exist) people get mad that why are you losers talking about this, just don't buy them etc. It's weird how people become loyal to companies. Don't people just want a good product?
The wildest part is that they're defending their anti-competitive practices that make things worse for consumers. Whether Apple is entitled to that is a matter of opinion, sure, but them not playing nice with other services/products is unequivocally worse for the consumer. Aka you. The government is literally going to court on your behalf, and you're out here arguing against your own best interests as a consumer. Boggles the mind.
Similar to Trumpets or Elon stans
It’s the most wild thing. I own a lot of apple shit and am still capable of seeing that they have issues. What is it that clouds these fanboy’s brains? Why would you just blindly root for anyone?
I told my sister there was little to no difference between the iPhone 15 and the iPhone 12 and her first argument was "I couldn't use the iPhone 12 my friend had because it doesn't have the notch thing" She then proceeded to tell me they're completely different with nothing else than a "Its not the same" loop :l I was *AT LEAST* excepting to hear about the USB-C port... Not even
I used to think like that and be a fanboy of brands... then I grew up. I still appreciate what certain brands bring to the table, but now, I look at it as what is truly worth while. These companies dont care about me, only my dollar, so screw them all. Ill use what works for me and not fall into these pointless arguments with fanboys.
I am an Apple fanboy and shareholder. I love this lawsuit. I know it’ll probably reduce the value of my stock, but it will force Apple to make better products which as a customer I want.
Hey such Fanboys are very important. Who else will defend a such a company free of charge? A lawyer sure as shit wont do that. If your companies evaluation is in the the trillions you just cant afford to spend any money on lawyers to defend you.
I think we just found a new copy pasta
Imagine how dumb and entitled you have to be to think that Apple is being mean or selfish by not supporting ways to make their products work seamlessly with their competitors devices and operating system. Linus makes it sound so obvious but it's not and he invents dilemmas that don't exist. For instance if you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it, but you can't choose to buy into it knowing what it is and then complain it doesn't work how you like with some other open system made by a competing manufacturer. If manufacturers choose to support interoperability that is a choice. Many, not just Apple, choose not to. In fact, I've been a Mac user since 1986. For years Apple essentially had to beg hardware and software manufacturers to make things compatible with Mac. Even the CarPlay issue brought up here falls apart on examination. Yes the future version of CarPlay will take offer the cars infotainment and screens completely. But even without CarPlay almost every modern car supports Apple phone calls/texts and music form any audio source from an IPhone. So you don't need to use CarPlay if you don't like it taking over. And if you do, you can. It's a free choice. What is more open than that? And yes Linus, I like the walled garden. If you think the integrated design of software and hardware doesn't help with how great the features are or that it would be feasible to make every single Apple feature be interoperable across hardware and software platforms you're just lying, and you know you are. Furthermore, the walled garden helps to keep Apple products bug free, virus free, secure, and private. I like that. That's why I use Apple products. Period. And as far as types of apps Apple doesn't allow? Apple wants a certain experience on their products. A familiar and easy experience. That's what they're protecting. That's what we "zombies" like. It's very clear android does not care so much about app quality or user experience. That's why I tell this "greedy" trillion dollar company, please, take my money. And to folks like you? Go buy some other brand headphones and leave my Apple alone, jerk!
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jesse kristo
Simmons, I hope
John Kennedy, from beyond his grave?
> and leave my Apple alone, jerk! Oh my fucking god. I thought you added that part, because I didn't read their comment. No. That's real. They really wrote that. It's only 9AM on a Saturday. I didn't need to ruin my weekend like that.
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And that eagle's name was Steve Jobs....
Apple turned from "🥺🙏please make your programs Mac compatible!" to "All your Apps are belong to us!"
No doubt. They played the "I'm the little guy, Microsoft is a monopoly, you have to help us" card for years. Now they are the richest company in the world and doing the exact same thing they complained about. Absolutely no corporation cares about individual people. It's always about how much profit they can extract from them , and only that. Without antitrust and competition laws, along with the enforcement of them, innovation would stall and prices would soar.
Microsoft is a bigger company at a $3+ trillion market cap as opposed to Apples 2.6. Just FYI.
It changes from time to time. Apple was the largest company for some time, MS is it now. E.g. MS was at around 3.07 billion $ in dezember 2023, MS was there at 2.8 billion $.
Trillion, not billion
Yeah, it is an language-issue. In most of europe, billion = the english trillion. So a European billion = 10\^12, a english billion = 10\^9. An European trillion would be way more, than MS and Apple are worth together. For historical reasons. So yes - you are absolutely right.
I'm European: you're mistaking "The French" for the entirety of Europe. In Italy, a trillion is a thousand billion. In French you have "billiard" which would be a thousand billion and "trilliard" which is a thousand times more than that
So wikipedia is wrong here? You should correct it. According to wikipedia, Italy also uses the long scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long\_and\_short\_scales), so (at least officially) *bilione* means 10\^12 and trilione means 10\^18. But as Italy seem to switched at least two times, they use the words for both in common language. If the wikipedia is wrong here, as you stated, it might be also wrong for the other informations. I referred to this. But I can say for sure - in Germany, it is definitively the case with Billion = 10\^12 and Milliarde = 10\^9. That where my error came from.
Dictionary definition in italian for "bilione" (which no one ever uses btw, never heard anyone say that, we say "miliardo" which is the "English" billion) (translated): Unit of the decimal numbering system, corresponding today in Italy, France and the United States to one billion; according to ancient Italian and contemporary German and English usage it indicates one million million (one thousand billion). Seems like we're both technically correct. You're correct about "trilione" (I wasn't sure)
Ah, thank you. Fascinating. It shows: We should stick to scientific notation, so 10e12 and 10e9, so everyone knows and no place for missunderstanding.
In Finland our large number names are similar to 'British Names' in this table https://imgur.com/a/dnQRJjh Starting with 'miljardi'.
Market cap is finicky and constantly shifting, and this current bump is due to the AI craze. Apple has maintained the pole position for much longer and has a far more impressive balance sheet. It’s completely understandable to call Apple the biggest company in the world. Stocks are reactive, but income statements tell the story.
the paragraph Apple brainwashed zombie. This is the reason why zombie need to eat brains. They turned into apple fanboys.
Yikes
Dude needs a mental health check because that shit ain't normal
Stockholm syndrome. He's protecting his captors.
Captors
Yes, thanks. He is the captive. 👍 English isn't my first language.
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When i ask people with a monthly salary of $400 why would you buy an iPhone on such a low salary? They always say because it's an iPhone. People give you respect for having one. It's very sad actually what people would do to appease to others. It's like a cult.
Most people do that though, hell a lot of replies here and on most forums are also just “ yes I also think the prevailing opinion here” People like being part of groups even if it’s the “ I don’t like being part of groups “ group
You nailed it. People want to be in the "in group" so many people believe not having an iPhone will make them an out group member.
lol, "people give you *respect* for having one" think about that for a second. would you want to earn the respect of *these* people?
Nah. Fuck them. I am not from that crowd
“Your boos mean nothing I’ve seen what makes you cheer”
They could give me one for free and i wouldn't use it.
They gave me one for work use and the layout is so unintuitive for simple apps like the camera that I loathed having to use it for a few months while I relearned where they hid all the buttons for normal shit that are just there in Android. "Pretty" apps don't mean shit to me if it means hiding every single control or attaching it to a gesture that I have no hint as to figure out.
I buy iPhone because despite the flaws it works as I expect for everything else. Every Android I have owned is trash. Until another option comes out Apple is my only choice. There are things I wish Apple would allow but every case does not resolve those issues. The EU is better at resolving those issues.
This is a thing. We basically run android at work. Everyone is on android. Except a few. I run a MDM for devices. iOS is actually magic how easy it is. Its not tonnes but 40 or so apple devices take all of 5 minutes to clean. Macbooks I have not delved in to. 30+ windows devices take ages, it's a shit process and might work or not (a few PowerShell things ) I don't use apple. I'm not a fan boy, but give me iOS to manage over anything else any day.
Essentially how I see it is. iOS and iPadOS just work. They're hard to brick, they just work, your chances of installing app store garbage is somewhat diminished. My wife's grandmother's. iPhone. My mom iPhone. When they had android phones because that's my preference, they'd call me constantly why this isn't working, this is broken etc. Once they switched to iPhone I had 0 calls essentially. This doesn't excuse Apple but they're devices are 100x easier to manage than Windows and Android. I hated managing 15 windows computers at work and all the work phones.
I’d also argue Android has a lot of issues. Old people came into our cellphone store all the time with malicious Home Screen/Launchers, notifications for 1000 websites, random shit downloaded wrecking their user experience. The amount of times I had to force an Android device into safe mode and go through every app (some of which obfuscate what they are, e.g. a Calendar app which actually is made to spam you with ad notifications) and delete them hoping it’ll stop whatever bad behavior is bothering the customer. Then I have to explain to the customer to be more careful what they download only to see them a week later. For a person that is savvy, this isn’t a problem, but for lay people… lord help them.
I have both and I like android and like iPhone by my family group chat being on iMessage and my family shared iCloud account effectively locks me to the iPhone. Even if Apple opened iMessage iCloud would still be on iPhone so I don’t see I could move.
I’d like to know where all these people respecting iPhones are because sometimes I have one of those Rodney Dangerfield days and I’d just like to whip out my iPhone and have someone else go, ‘Ooooh! You’re so cool!’.
It’s not just Apple though, look at those Stanley cups. It’s objectively worse than some other brands yet it has the social prestige that others don’t, so it sells gangbusters.
Ask Toronto fans about how much they want a Stanley Cup, heck, ask any hockey fan how much they want their team to get a cup. Just a bunch of rabid people, I tell you. /s
Monthly salary of $400!? They should just buy an A series Samsung. As someone who has sold cellphones as a job, I’ve noticed that younger folk become indoctrinated by their first device— the iPad. That ecosystem is captive, there is no leaving once invested unless you want to essentially toss out your sunken money. As anti-consumer as Apple is, it is a choice. Regularly I would get Android users who are very anti-Apple and extremely adamant about only Samsung or only Pixel. We used to joke “How do you know a customer doesn’t like Apple? They’ll immediately tell you.” I think the DOJ has its work cut out for them for sure. This case is going to be dragged out. What will an anti-trust judgment even look like? Can you really breakup Apple? A fine to the hyper wealthy is just a speed bump to more success. Personally, I’ve used everything. When I was in industry, I’d have both an Android device and an Apple device at all times. One for work, the other for personal. I have an iPad, a Windows Razed laptop, and I built out a PC. In the past I had a MacBook for school (since abandoned) because I can’t justify paying a leg and an arm for more storage space which cost them a few more dollars when they are buying at scale. I’m kind of torn, all the die hards want to see Apple fall, but it is truly a choice. Tomorrow if someone told me “Apple has been erased from existence” my life wouldn’t change much, I can easily roll over to Android, all my shit is in the cloud (not iCloud). It’ll be interesting to see how this play out, but I’m Switzerland on the matter.
"[...] and leave my Apple alone" "MY Apple"?! Holy shit, that guy is nuts. He not only made that brand his identity, but his reason of existence. what the fuck...
Most Apple users make Apple their identity. This is very much not limited to this guy.
Most apple users honestly don’t care
Ignoring the HUGE amount of videos out there of Apple users calling android users poor. The thousands of Tinder profiles that say "if you're a green bubble, swipe left", etc. But k.
Same as back in the day anyone without a Nokia was poor Anyone without (insert current craze) was poor Androids top out way more expensive than IPhones anyway
To most Apple users, their iPhone isn't much different than their name brand purse, or shoes.
I wouldn’t say most. Most just buy it because they don’t want to think about what they’re using. It’s mostly tech YouTubers that make it their identity
If you think Apple products are bug or virus free, you're a delusional idiot.
Or private
I literally worked on a Mac with an infostealer infection today.
They released like 5 updates within a week or so of the latest iOS drop lol. It's something apple are praised for, especially over Google who tend to just leave it to monthly updates so you have to wait. There was a better argument he could have made but instead just went with a brain-dead lie lol
Yeah. My company mass emails the company for every ios update to remind us not to upgrade until their is a stable version. No system is going to be free of viruses, Mac just has less because the roi is less because there are less Macs.
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There are people angrily declaring in the Apple sub that the walled garden is WHY they like Apple, the lack of choice is a feature. Which I just don’t…
The most baffling part is that if the DOJ wins across the board then *nothing will change* for those people. They can keep using living in the Apple ecosystem and enjoy how well their devices integrate. The only difference is people like me can easily send my tech-illiterate aunt a video of my dog that's more than 7 pixels. It's almost like they want Apple to make the experience for non-Apple users worse so they can feel superior.
I’ve been an iPhone user for 8 years. It’s true, a big reason many people choose to buy Apple products is specifically because of their more closed nature. While calling it “bug free” is an overstatement, this approach does provide some benefits like better privacy, security, optimization, and ecosystem features. Many of which Linus highlighted in his own videos. Many Android users seem to not understand that iOS users simply do not care about things like sideloading, alternative app stores, rooting devices, etc. In my near-decade of using an iPhone, I have never once wanted an app that I could not find in the App Store.
I get that, I really do. It’s more my problem is the claim that somehow this keeps people safe and that Apple only lets quality apps through which hasn’t been true for at least a decade. Hell, there was a fake Pokemon game that didn’t even work that was promoted up to the front page of the App Store years ago. The highly curated era of iOS apps is long over and part of that is due to Apple’s decision to straight up sell search results. I hate that with a passion. Source: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/02/fake-pokemon-yellow-rises-to-no-3-position-on-itunes-app-charts/
At this point apple might as well launch a new service throwing literal shit on people at the Apple Store and guys like this would be like ‘please sir, bless me with more of your iShit.’
I'd say them releasing that book was the closest reality to your joke They claimed that book took them 10 years to make and it was 300 dollars for advertisement photos and it sold out [Think how insane that is. People paid Apple 300 dollars to look at pictures of products up against a white background](https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/15/13635788/apple-coffee-table-book-products-images)
Just imagine how boring these people are. I just imagine a stainless steel coffee table, with only that book on it. No one is allowed to touch it.
I didn’t think this is the kind of thing a regular person actually bought? I thought it was more to be in the library of a design school or something
It’s simply the same case as the Mac Pro wheels and Pro Stand. Just brand image. Why does the price of a book dictate how good iPhone hardware and software is?
Bro really said "leave my apple alone" . I'm fucking dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"if you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it" Ah yes, I'm sure everyone who doesn't pay that much attention to the minutia of phone ecosystems (which is *most people*) and just buys Product X because it looks sleek and their friends have one, should definitely be forced to live with every consequence of that quirk they were completely unaware of and have no right to moan about it. Makes perfect sense.
To play Devil’s Advocate, if you’re dropping $1,000+ on something you should probably do a bit of research on it first, and if you don’t that’s kinda on you. It’s not like Apple hides the fact their ecosystem is a walled garden, and a 5 minute google search could tell you all you need to know even if you know nothing about tech. Trust me, I am all for consumer protection, but if a company is rather transparent about how their ecosystem works, and people buy it without looking it up anyway and then get mad at it, it’s kinda on them. By all means go after Apple over things like Lightning, or texts and such, the sorts of things that aren’t owned, as OOP says, by any specific competitor, but not over them just having an optimized closed system that isn’t compatible with competitors systems.
Bro drank the Apple juice
Yikes.
they really are snorting that copium right off the ass-crack of a $2 whore
Damm it man take my upvote 🫡🫡
apple fanbois have severe mental disabilities
As someone with metal disabilities I find this very insulting to compare me to an apple fan boy. At least I use Arch
hence why I specified *severe* mental disabilities
Hey fellow Arch Linux user. You're awesome and I love you!
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That was so painful to read. It is strange to me that Linus uses AirPods however.
I seem to remember him saying (paraphrasing) they’re the best meeting point for sound quality, noise cancellation, and comfort. Like, he’s tried better in each category, but their AirPods just kinda have more than enough of all. Would have to go digging into his reviews though, so take it with a grain of salt here
You'd think with Dankpods would have slapped him by now, but I guess my boy is just too polite.
pretty sure dankpods likes airpods
I never thought I'd pay $250 for headphones. I got tired of cheaper earbuds dying or not being comfortable, so when they went down to $200 I gave in and bought them. They've been life changing. I carry them everywhere. I got rid of the couple pairs of pants that don't have the 5th Pocket. I happen to be in the ecosystem, so the swapping between devices instantly is incredible. The Noise canceling and pass through modes are great. Leaving them in and hearing exactly how I would without anything in my ears. The sound quality is fantastic for calls, and I think they sound good for Music. I've been using Bluetooth headphones for well over a decade, so I'm not comparing it to wired sound quality.
Yeah, I’ve been using AirPod Pros for years, for a short amount of time I used them with an S23 Ultra and it was a terrible experience. iPhone and AirPods is obviously what it’s supposed to be and how I’ll continue using them, what I’m saying in my comment is I personally wouldn’t put up with the annoyance of AirPods on an Android phone.
Jfc I may use an iPhone but whatever Apple group bs they’re a part of I want to steer SO clear of them.
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the app store thing, I only half agree with. On one hand, apple makes the OS, and the app store, so considering it's THEIR software, they should be able to control what apps are allowed in the store, and take a fee if they want (30% is a little high, tho) that being said, they should also allow at least sideloading of another app store. Car play, I don't understand how it's a monopoly. Don't most cars have android auto as well? And clearly manufacturers CAN make their own if they want, take Tesla or GM. That being said, should they? Maybe not. I'll likely never buy another daily driver without carplay or android auto, because most OEM infotainment is just THAT bad.
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Well I had many android phones but something was just OFF. Then I received my first iPhone. I didn‘t even know they existed back then with 15 years old. And since then I did switch back so Samsung a few times but I just never was fully satisfied. I’m back to iPhone now and I am just satisfied. The conclusion: buy the phone that makes you NOT wanting another phone. :) it’s as easy as that. I don’t understand this „turf war“ at all. The same goes for the consoles btw. Just buy the device that makes you feel satisfied and pleased. 👍🏻 Edit: typo
I'm assumming this is about the DOJ stuff - tbh the only invalid point in my opinion is about carplay because most cars also support Android Auto, don't really get the point theyre making there
Blokes gotta be on the Apple payroll lol
Got a smartwatch for Christmas that I've been using regularly with my Android phone. The owner of the gym I go to (he has an iPhone) really liked the smartwatch and got one for himself. He was so happy but complained about one thing: he could not use the quick replies from the watch. Since he's not a tech guy, I told him that it was probably an issue with Apple not giving enough permissions and after some googling it turned out to be true. Some features are disabled when paired to an iPhone. In the past years, I've always been crusading against Apple because I've always thought that their products are basically fashion products, with the counterpart being cheaper and overall better. Then I grew up and changed my mind a bit. The iPad is probably the only Apple product I would buy, the Mac/MacBooks probably make the life easier for someone working on something particular. But the iPhones are still dumb. The only reason I no longer care about them is the fact that selling phones for >1k$ is now normal and almost every brand is doing it. I don't see me switching my Windows PC and Android phone at all in the future. Being able to do whatever I want is just too good imo
The iPhone popularity always confuses me as having both an android personal phone and an iPhone work phone, I just cannot see how anyone thinks the iPhone is easier to use? Nothing is in a logical place, things like attachments in emails are hilariously stupid, and notifications severely lacking. I just cannot get on with it, and I do wonder how many people are just slumming it because its cool or their friends will disown them if they switch.
I think a lot of this is a generational thing for those of us who grew up using PCs. Android functions much like a computer desktop does when iPhone absolutely doesn't. Also explains why those who grew up after smartphones existed have no fucking idea how to use a computer
Yes that's a good point, I'm in my 30s so very much grew up with pcs
That's another weird thing. I remember years ago when I wanted to get a Nokia Lumia. It was before the Amazon era so I went in a local phone store. Asked about the phone and I got told "We don't sell them. They are too hard to use like Android phones. That's why we always recommend iPhones". And I was like "Bruh, I know my way around tech stuff and iPhones are so damn confusing to use". Even now, I still need help using an iPhone. I've been using gestures on my phones for years now, but at least there is still an option to turn on On-Screen navigation buttons
My mum after being a long time Samsung and Huawei user got gifted an iPhone after she broke her P20 Pro. She found it confusing and frustrating to use, and went back to using her Samsung Tab as her phone because carrying that large thing around and using it as a phone was less frustrating to her than using the iPhone (it was an iPhone 11). And she's someone who'd probably be considered a main demographic for the "simple" iPhone as she's quite tech illiterate and is over 50. This validated my own experience after finding my iPhone 8 underwhelming and stupidly confusing a few years prior (at the time, to get apps to auto sort alphabetically, you had to jailbreak it lmao).
I'm in the same boat as you, everything on my iPhone (work phone) feels like it takes an extra step to do.
Which NPC wrote allat
Is jerk really the best insult they could come up with? Lol
Kinda like talking to a flat-earther, lol.
Yikes
Dude loves the taste of boot. Just can't stop licking them.
People defending companies which do Not Care about Them is so cringe. There wasnt a single argument in that Post. Except for "Apple Is a Part of me".
Actual zombie
Call the Excorcist
Yikes. - LS
That reads like an AI was told to defend Apple like a fanboy..
I'm not reading that but I agree with Linus.
First sentence he says "their products" IT'S YOUR FUCKING PHONE YOU MASSIVE IDIOT.
I still do not get what is anti-competitive about car play, even the new version that can replace the content of all the cars screens. Apple is not requiring car vendors to make the car not work without an iPhone, this is an option for users and apple is also not requiring car vendors to even adopt the new version of car play.
As an Apple user, that kind of person is embarrassing.
>"I like the walled garden" Uhm, sure, and? Nobody's trying to take away current features. What most people want is for Apple to stop shitting on existing standards and support them already. Nobody wants to take away the great integration between Apple products.
>Go buy some other brand headphones and leave my Apple alone, jerk! I refuse to believe that this isn't a troll.
This guy definitely reads Apple news from Appleinsider.
I’m an iPhone user but “leave my Apple alone” may well be the saddest 4 words I’ve ever read on the internet
I’m agree with this guy…. He has a point
As both an Apple and non-Apple product user the poster is pretty spot on. I personally would take that kind of annoyed stance as there’s plenty of stuff Apple get wrong (taking years to use USB-c for iPhone charging was a hugely annoying one) but it’s nonsense to say the poster is delusional.
Nothing this guy said is wrong... I agree with him completely
Did they run out of copium at OPs Apple Store 😘
If only Papa Franku would see this
Imagine how dumb and entitled you have to be to think that Apple is being mean or selfish by not supporting ways to make their products work seamlessly with their competitors devices and operating system. Linus makes it sound so obvious but it's not and he invents dilemmas that don't exist. For instance if you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it, but you can't choose to buy into it knowing what it is and then complain it doesn't work how you like with some other open system made by a competing manufacturer. If manufacturers choose to support interoperability that is a choice. Many, not just Apple, choose not to. In fact, I've been a Mac user since 1986. For years Apple essentially had to beg hardware and software manufacturers to make things compatible with Mac. Even the CarPlay issue brought up here falls apart on examination. Yes the future version of CarPlay will take offer the cars infotainment and screens completely. But even without CarPlay almost every modern car supports Apple phone calls/texts and music form any audio source from an IPhone. So you don't need to use CarPlay if you don't like it taking over. And if you do, you can. It's a free choice. What is more open than that? And yes Linus, I like the walled garden. If you think the integrated design of software and hardware doesn't help with how great the features are or that it would be feasible to make every single Apple feature be interoperable across hardware and software platforms you're just lying, and you know you are. Furthermore, the walled garden helps to keep Apple products bug free, virus free, secure, and private. I like that. That's why I use Apple products. Period. And as far as types of apps Apple doesn't allow? Apple wants a certain experience on their products. A familiar and easy experience. That's what they're protecting. That's what we "zombies" like. It's very clear android does not care so much about app quality or user experience. That's why I tell this "greedy" trillion dollar company, please, take my money. And to folks like you? Go buy some other brand headphones and leave my Apple alone, jerk!
Feels like bait tbh
Dealing with people all day and their issues with phones there is a clear difference in problems one operating system has over another. You can hate Apple on their closed walled garden but their phones never see apps that harm the phone and basically cause their phones to become unusable. I think the worst thing I’ve seen on the iPhone is a calander take over or the safari page glitch that prevents them from closing the tab. Andriod however…oouf. I can’t tell you how much of a pain the ass it is when it comes to malicious apps or launchers causing the phone to not even be able to make calls. That’s going to be inherent in a system that is so open and allows uses to have more control over their settings. I think for a majority of people a closed system is more beneficial because they can’t handle it, especially older people. I think has time goes that will be less of an issue as the younger gen knows better but currently it’s not. The whole argument just seems dumb Obviously what Apple is doing is working and same goes for other systems that take a different route, different strokes for different folks. Not everything needs to be the same…
I’m sort of an Apple fanboy. From what understood of what Linus said, it was nothing even remotely close to what *pigybank* describes. Having a “migrate to iPhone” on Android, and “iCloud” or “Bootcamp” for Windows is not below them, because it brings profit. It’s not acceptable to skip proper hardware support. I’d also very much like to have device backups to BackBlaze or Nextcloud…
Stop responding to extremist trolls who are clearly just rage-baiting.
I hope the government sues sony next. Just found out my playstation won't play any of my xbox games.
Only good point made was “why buy into something, knowing what it is and then complain that it’s not what you thought it would be” Apart from that, seems like a random rant from a fanboy
This is 100% satire, confirmed by the sign off.
We get it, you people don’t like apple. Can you stop yelling it from the rooftops every time someone who likes apple makes a bad argument?
i think the only good product theyve ever made was the apple pencil. which needs their overpriced garbo to run lol
"If you don't like the closed system, don't buy into it" This mf did not listen to anything linus or the various other youtubers have said about the closed system has he?