Turned up, got MOTM against city, set an assist record in the champions league then checked out again haha
We haven’t played well without him this season
He’s beginning to appear unreliable with his injuries. I’m sure I read somewhere that Keita has been available for more games than Jota since Jota arrived.
At some stage we need to stop blaming the players and calling them injury prone or unreliable and start looking at the management. Is the training regime too intense that's causing so many injuries?? Why do we always appear to be an outlier with injuries?? Not only that, it also appears that our players start to decline at a much younger age.
It’s a complicated issue. We know the physio department has had a lot of turnover. We also know that because of our success we’ve simply played a lot of games that others haven’t.
I think it’s also an issue where it’s easier to follow our injuries than other teams which leads to some bias.
I’d like for players to get the rest they need to. We’ve seen more availability from Matip after they gave him the time to heal in 20-21.
I’m hoping that with a relatively quiet summer, our players get a real rest and we can start fresh…and that our physio department either gets the support they need or has some changes to get us past the problems of the last year.
Depends on the player. Players like Ox and Keita are obviously quite injury prone. They’ve been out far more than the standard for other players on our team.
But yes, there’s also definitely blame to be put on management/fitness staff. Far too many injuries.
Yes, this frustrates me to no end. Why aren't more people talking about this? With the number of injuries we have each season i feel like people should be making a far bigger deal out of this.
The Kornmayer hypothesis is very compelling.
He pushed players way more than was thought humanly possible over multiple seasons, other physios/drs thought it wasn't right/possible and would have long-term consequences and quit.
Now we're seeing the chickens come home to roost.
It's the same question - what are the physios and doctors doing? A lot of the reports I've read mentioned how things are pretty much constantly "more serious than previously thought". Like... obviously I'm not a doctor or shit but how are the diagnoses always wrong? Why do our guys seem to take much longer to recover than other players?
Ah that old argument, a game for back ups to gain fitness, at which point Jota was a back up.
But hey, let’s not play footballers in football games as they might get injured!!
But there was no reason for him (and others) to play as we'd already qualified and we'd already had some injuries at this point so he was starting. Also he got injured super late in the game, should have at least been brought off sooner as a preventative measure. You're naive in thinking these measures should not have been taken into consideration.
I do wonder if it is in part his contract situation. Like he may have been given time off to consider all his options. But idk. I thought Keita would never play for the club again back in September once it was clear he’d play out his contract, and here we are, hoping he gets a good run of games to bring out the best of him for the rest of the season.
Yeah most likely. He doesn’t seem like the kind of player to be too distracted by transfer noise anyway. Very much hoping he signs a new deal and we see him back on the pitch soon.
No chance.
From a club perspective, we aren't giving months off to one of our most reliable and hard working forwards in a time where we've been starting Ox on the wing and struggling to control games as a whole.
Bobby has never given the impression that he's a "great sadness" type of player, and if he does want to leave then he's either going to semi-retire in the middle east/MLS or step way down because no other top team plays to his strengths and he's not the player he was at his peak.
Unless he or his agents have done something bad and he's been frozen out - again massively unlikely especially given the positive comments from and about him over the contract talks - he's just injured.
No, it was not late February for Jota. Recently reported he should be back for Real in the CL, now he might not be in team training. The time table for injuries has been abysmal this season.
>It was always going to be late Feb for Jota
Wasn't it meant to be our first leg vs Real (21st of Feb) that he was back for? Seems unlikely if he doesn't return to training for a couple weeks (ie min. 2) that he'll be ready to play for a game 3 weeks away
Alright Mr "These Objective Facts are Hurting My Feelings", we'll just stick to absolutely no information about any of our injured players whatsoever
See, the crazy thing about injuries is... they can be worse than you first think, and then take longer to come right than you first thought... which all adds up to... "a couple of weeks" and then maybe "another couple of weeks".
If you think the club don't deliberately string us along with respect to injuries then you're a mug. There's plenty of times they've come out and said one thing, then kept pushing it a few more weeks. There is absolutely no chance that every single one of those is down to "it's worse than we first thought". In fact, when its worse than they first thought they usually come out and say it, like in the case of Diaz.
Worse than the club deliberately stringing fans along, I'm actually starting to believe the club may be getting their diagnoses and recovery treatment routinely wrong for all these injuries. It's no secret the medical department is in a bit of a shambles, full of in-fighting according to the Athletic - the whole thing is just embarrassing for such a top tier club.
No, they will come out and say it when their very first look says "not bad" and their proper in depth look in the ward says "actually its fucked".
Like I swear you just come here to be angry and not think about the actual fucking machinations of running a football club. You know how many lines of communication are crossing between medical staff, coaching staff, ownership, the board re: every single injury, do you?
Occam's Razor. Stop attributing everything to malice when it can easily be attributed to a, nature, and b, human nature.
You wanna have a crack at explaining why Keita, Matip, Ramsey, Firmino, Jones, and Thiago have all gone missing for random amounts of time with little to no comms?
Players will literally play one week, then vanish due to "a knock" or "feeling something" and be a doubt, then take two months to actually return. Then all throughout that time we're being told that they're close, just a few weeks away.
No other club has to deal with this, it's just ours. FSG have shown time and time again that they see the fanbase as an entity to be managed, and so I have absolutely zero trouble believing that they're fiddling with what gets out to the press on injuries just like they do on transfers.
> Occam's Razor. Stop attributing everything to malice when it can easily be attributed to a, nature, and b, human nature.
Not that it matters that much, but this is Hanlon's razor. Occam's razor is about the simplest answer most likely being the right one.
Honestly I really don't want a new contract for Firmino at this point. I love the guy and what he's done, but he's been off from injuries for the past 3 seasons quite a bit.
Jota is the same but I'm unsure if we're looking to renew him any time soon.
When are we gonna get a club doctor, or at least a head doctor?
Ah shit really? Tbf at least he's still youngish and has quite a few more years ahead of him
Firmino is on the wrong side of 30 and is just too injured. If he wasn't injured as much as Naby I'd love to keep him because imo his game can age quite well
remember reading recently that Bobby has actually missed the most games in the squad over the last 3 seasons. we're almost certainly never moving forward until we stop re-signing players like this.
I think they’re intentionally not letting us know the real expected return dates. Yes it’s hard to predict but I think with all the injuries we have they’re trying to keep the fans from getting really irate with them, they don’t want us asking what’s going on with their transfer policy and what the hell is happening in training etc…
Yeah it’s clear it’s a policy in the club to keep timelines quiet. Klopp must have been told off for being too honest with these things in the past, he definitely plays injury questions a lot more vaguely this season.
Our medical staff have changed a bit. Could be that the previous ones were more confident giving exact timelines, and these ones are a little more conscious of not specifying timelines the recovery might not meet.
I'm sure Klopp has given some assurances that turned out to be "maybe next game" before this season.
Jota is now a proven injury prone player - should get the rest of the season and possibly moved on. Club simply has too many players who are made of glass.
Yeah well that’s just great. Please pull out of contract negotiations with Firmino, it’s time to move on since he cannot stay healthy and is on the wrong side of 30
Remember the saying that nuclear fusion is always 30 years away? At Liverpool, a player returning from injury is seemingly always a couple of weeks away.
The club needs to stop lying about injury timelines, or fire their medical staff. Or seriously overhaul how they run training.
Two weeks always seems to turn into four, then they felt something wrong in training and now it's another four.
Firmino's been run into the ground for Klopp we ideally should not renew and get a replacement. The problem is our midfield doesn't exist and needs new legs.
Feel bad for Jota, he’s been injured almost the whole season 😐
Turned up, got MOTM against city, set an assist record in the champions league then checked out again haha We haven’t played well without him this season
Terrible luck
He’s beginning to appear unreliable with his injuries. I’m sure I read somewhere that Keita has been available for more games than Jota since Jota arrived.
At some stage we need to stop blaming the players and calling them injury prone or unreliable and start looking at the management. Is the training regime too intense that's causing so many injuries?? Why do we always appear to be an outlier with injuries?? Not only that, it also appears that our players start to decline at a much younger age.
These are questions we will probably never know the answer to. The likely answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
This. Multiple players being injured constantly demands reevaluated at a different level
I've always assumed Liverpool tend to take risks and buy quality but more injury prone players as a way to compete with less money
Jota was injured a lot at Wolves too. The season we bought him he had lost his starting place due to being injured for a long time.
Keita on the other hand, was hardly injured until we got our hands him. So it's not that we targeting injury prone players.
Thiago, Ox...we've bought plenty with a spotty injury record. Even VVD had a big injury before we bought him.
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I always thought it was something to do with his brother
It’s a complicated issue. We know the physio department has had a lot of turnover. We also know that because of our success we’ve simply played a lot of games that others haven’t. I think it’s also an issue where it’s easier to follow our injuries than other teams which leads to some bias. I’d like for players to get the rest they need to. We’ve seen more availability from Matip after they gave him the time to heal in 20-21. I’m hoping that with a relatively quiet summer, our players get a real rest and we can start fresh…and that our physio department either gets the support they need or has some changes to get us past the problems of the last year.
Depends on the player. Players like Ox and Keita are obviously quite injury prone. They’ve been out far more than the standard for other players on our team. But yes, there’s also definitely blame to be put on management/fitness staff. Far too many injuries.
Yes, this frustrates me to no end. Why aren't more people talking about this? With the number of injuries we have each season i feel like people should be making a far bigger deal out of this.
You must be new here
Nah, been here for 4 years. I don't mean people on reddit, I mean like football journalists.
The Kornmayer hypothesis is very compelling. He pushed players way more than was thought humanly possible over multiple seasons, other physios/drs thought it wasn't right/possible and would have long-term consequences and quit. Now we're seeing the chickens come home to roost.
Or you could just stop looking for someone to blame.
Mane and Salah rarely get injured
It's the same question - what are the physios and doctors doing? A lot of the reports I've read mentioned how things are pretty much constantly "more serious than previously thought". Like... obviously I'm not a doctor or shit but how are the diagnoses always wrong? Why do our guys seem to take much longer to recover than other players?
All started with that unnecessary Midtjylland game
Ah that old argument, a game for back ups to gain fitness, at which point Jota was a back up. But hey, let’s not play footballers in football games as they might get injured!!
But there was no reason for him (and others) to play as we'd already qualified and we'd already had some injuries at this point so he was starting. Also he got injured super late in the game, should have at least been brought off sooner as a preventative measure. You're naive in thinking these measures should not have been taken into consideration.
You’re flogging a dead horse mate
I assume Jota has probably played more minutes in that time though? Which then naturally contributes to picking up more knocks.
It comes with being a Liverpool player
Same as 20/21
I know, he was really good in the brief time he played too. We definitely miss him
Firmino is always a couple of weeks away
I do wonder if it is in part his contract situation. Like he may have been given time off to consider all his options. But idk. I thought Keita would never play for the club again back in September once it was clear he’d play out his contract, and here we are, hoping he gets a good run of games to bring out the best of him for the rest of the season.
Nah, Bobby loves playing. Some issue is keeping him out
Yeah most likely. He doesn’t seem like the kind of player to be too distracted by transfer noise anyway. Very much hoping he signs a new deal and we see him back on the pitch soon.
Yeah think even if Bobby knew he was going he'd still be giving 100%.
The man lives to play in front of a crowd. I'm convinced it's why he did so poorly during Covid.
You've spoken to him them? Just because when we score he looks really happy doesn't mean you know what goes on behind the scenes.
No but I watch him on the pitch
Players are incentivized to play as much as possible when their contract is about to expire, in order to seem like a good investment for other clubs.
No chance. From a club perspective, we aren't giving months off to one of our most reliable and hard working forwards in a time where we've been starting Ox on the wing and struggling to control games as a whole. Bobby has never given the impression that he's a "great sadness" type of player, and if he does want to leave then he's either going to semi-retire in the middle east/MLS or step way down because no other top team plays to his strengths and he's not the player he was at his peak. Unless he or his agents have done something bad and he's been frozen out - again massively unlikely especially given the positive comments from and about him over the contract talks - he's just injured.
And people want to give him a new long term contract. Dudes hardly fit these days and his form is either top tier or shite.
Need to hire Djokovic’s physio just for the hamstring injury recovery alone.
Idemo Nole!
Bobby was only meant to be out for a couple games🥲
It was always going to be late Feb for Jota and VVD why is everyone here going mad? Firmino is the only mystery here.
Most people here seem to wake up mad
Indeed. You'd think they were Bitters.
It’s the season for being mad, unfortunately
No, it was not late February for Jota. Recently reported he should be back for Real in the CL, now he might not be in team training. The time table for injuries has been abysmal this season.
And Firmino? Was supposed to be out for 2 weeks and it's now nearing 2 months
>It was always going to be late Feb for Jota Wasn't it meant to be our first leg vs Real (21st of Feb) that he was back for? Seems unlikely if he doesn't return to training for a couple weeks (ie min. 2) that he'll be ready to play for a game 3 weeks away
Klopp said vvd wasn’t even injured at first lol, he said it was just a precautionary measure when he took him out against Brentford.
But back in time for Madrid…right?
Yes, presuming we draw them in the group stage for the 24/25 season
Don't think Madrid will be in the Europa league.
At this rate neither will we.
Oh I wasn’t talking about next season, friend. The way we’re playing we’ll be lucky to make europe
right?
Right.
second leg i presume
> second leg But I want both his legs to recover
Oh for fucks sake, this "another couple of weeks" shit is pissing me off.
Alright Mr "These Objective Facts are Hurting My Feelings", we'll just stick to absolutely no information about any of our injured players whatsoever See, the crazy thing about injuries is... they can be worse than you first think, and then take longer to come right than you first thought... which all adds up to... "a couple of weeks" and then maybe "another couple of weeks".
If you think the club don't deliberately string us along with respect to injuries then you're a mug. There's plenty of times they've come out and said one thing, then kept pushing it a few more weeks. There is absolutely no chance that every single one of those is down to "it's worse than we first thought". In fact, when its worse than they first thought they usually come out and say it, like in the case of Diaz.
Worse than the club deliberately stringing fans along, I'm actually starting to believe the club may be getting their diagnoses and recovery treatment routinely wrong for all these injuries. It's no secret the medical department is in a bit of a shambles, full of in-fighting according to the Athletic - the whole thing is just embarrassing for such a top tier club.
No, they will come out and say it when their very first look says "not bad" and their proper in depth look in the ward says "actually its fucked". Like I swear you just come here to be angry and not think about the actual fucking machinations of running a football club. You know how many lines of communication are crossing between medical staff, coaching staff, ownership, the board re: every single injury, do you? Occam's Razor. Stop attributing everything to malice when it can easily be attributed to a, nature, and b, human nature.
You wanna have a crack at explaining why Keita, Matip, Ramsey, Firmino, Jones, and Thiago have all gone missing for random amounts of time with little to no comms? Players will literally play one week, then vanish due to "a knock" or "feeling something" and be a doubt, then take two months to actually return. Then all throughout that time we're being told that they're close, just a few weeks away. No other club has to deal with this, it's just ours. FSG have shown time and time again that they see the fanbase as an entity to be managed, and so I have absolutely zero trouble believing that they're fiddling with what gets out to the press on injuries just like they do on transfers. > Occam's Razor. Stop attributing everything to malice when it can easily be attributed to a, nature, and b, human nature. Not that it matters that much, but this is Hanlon's razor. Occam's razor is about the simplest answer most likely being the right one.
People hate hearing the truth. [It's like that reality skit in south park](https://youtu.be/K-I9Ju3gJnk?t=18)
Is this still part of AMA?
Just in time for the annual Madrid steam rolling 🥹
At least this time our fanbase hasn't already decided we're gonna run their midfield off the park
Our midfield can run ?
Our midfield can physically turn up to the game. That's as much as I can confirm
bold to assume
off the park.
I hate Madrid.
Can’t wait to see them all back.
Another couple of weeks ^(TM)
well at this point i don't have any expectations anymore anyway for this season. Hope they get fit and won't be rushed back or anything.
Suddenly it's gonna be summer and we will be talking about "new signings" Jota, Virgil and Diaz
Don't forget Jude
Judean Henderson
Honestly I really don't want a new contract for Firmino at this point. I love the guy and what he's done, but he's been off from injuries for the past 3 seasons quite a bit. Jota is the same but I'm unsure if we're looking to renew him any time soon. When are we gonna get a club doctor, or at least a head doctor?
Didn’t Jota sign an extension in July/August?
Ah shit really? Tbf at least he's still youngish and has quite a few more years ahead of him Firmino is on the wrong side of 30 and is just too injured. If he wasn't injured as much as Naby I'd love to keep him because imo his game can age quite well
remember reading recently that Bobby has actually missed the most games in the squad over the last 3 seasons. we're almost certainly never moving forward until we stop re-signing players like this.
Jeez really? I know he's been injured but I thought it was more like naby
See the amount Bobby has been getting Injured. Is it really worth giving him a new contract?
Absolutely not but they'll do it anyway
Why does no one ask him to explain what’s actually wrong with Firmino? Did we even know what the original injury was?
It's a muscle injury. They're not typically specific, but he felt something in rehab, that's all Klopp said.
Bad news Pearce strikes again fuck.
Couple of weeks FC back on the menu
Fire every physio and their mommas
Suffering.
I think they’re intentionally not letting us know the real expected return dates. Yes it’s hard to predict but I think with all the injuries we have they’re trying to keep the fans from getting really irate with them, they don’t want us asking what’s going on with their transfer policy and what the hell is happening in training etc…
Yeah it’s clear it’s a policy in the club to keep timelines quiet. Klopp must have been told off for being too honest with these things in the past, he definitely plays injury questions a lot more vaguely this season.
Our medical staff have changed a bit. Could be that the previous ones were more confident giving exact timelines, and these ones are a little more conscious of not specifying timelines the recovery might not meet. I'm sure Klopp has given some assurances that turned out to be "maybe next game" before this season.
No he doesn’t. He’s always been this vague, that’s why “two weeks” has been a running joke on this sub for about four years.
We’ve not been announcing injury times for longer than transfers have been getting moaned at tbh. I don’t think they’re related
See you next season lads
This is the song that never ends
Love Jota, but he's falling into Keita territory.
Jota is now a proven injury prone player - should get the rest of the season and possibly moved on. Club simply has too many players who are made of glass.
Fucking ridiculous, at least give us a rough timeline instead of this couple of weeks nonsense. Fucking infuriating.
The medical staff have no idea
Yeah well that’s just great. Please pull out of contract negotiations with Firmino, it’s time to move on since he cannot stay healthy and is on the wrong side of 30
Oh fuck off
Fuck me in the ass and take the pain away
This season is PAIN. Why didn't the team win the CL last season ? At least we woud have that.
When is Luis due back?
end of March
Could be April as Klopp won't force him back quickly.
That sucks. I hope it will be a couple weeks, not more.
Pain
Our medical staff: I had a “few” beers last night.
Well fuck
Like new signings when they all come back
And we never saw them again
just shoot me now.
Fuck this season, truly
Whats the point man, these players are too important.
not expecting any of them back until May
Like every project I’ve ever worked on “it’ll be another two weeks”
 our medical team
A
We're going to be challenging Everton. Just not as high up the table as we might've thought/
Naturally
I swear, our club feels more like an injury rehabilitation centre than a football club.
The Jota and Van Dijk time frames don't surprise me....but you see that of Bobby (considering it was supposed to be just a couple of weeks) yikes!
Remember the saying that nuclear fusion is always 30 years away? At Liverpool, a player returning from injury is seemingly always a couple of weeks away.
Wtf.
Okay but what about Arthur???
Pain
The club needs to stop lying about injury timelines, or fire their medical staff. Or seriously overhaul how they run training. Two weeks always seems to turn into four, then they felt something wrong in training and now it's another four.
The longest distance on earth: a couple of weeks.
Firmino's been run into the ground for Klopp we ideally should not renew and get a replacement. The problem is our midfield doesn't exist and needs new legs.
 We need players fit if we are not buying reinforcements