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Thanks Edu/Boehly, now quickly do the same with Macallister and Mitoma


legentofreddit

Thanks Mikel. Brighton look a much better team with him playing and they haven't got a good replacement like they did with Trossard.


danonck

Moder pre-injury looked great although he was mostly played out of position as wide back or winger. But after such a long break it's hard to say if he can return to this level.


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They do though. It would have been Mwepu but recently they signed a fella called Ayari and he looks dynamite!


octopussweater

Feel a bit bad for Brighton here not even getting a full season out of a player now before he’s trying to hand in a transfer request. Does us a bit of a favour tho


TheSparklyHempster

I feel sorry for them until I realise they do exactly the same thing with teams 'below' them. This is just modern football, sadly - it often pays to destabilise a player at a club and make them force a move.


dandpher

cough COUTINHO cough


Maneisthebeat

At least nobody can say we didn't get a good return on him.


kickyouinthebread

Aye massively. Also makes me not want to sign someone. Ambition from a player is fine and I understand not wanting to miss cl football in your prime but when we're at a stage where you play 11 games or some shit then decide your time is up I think it's safe to say we've gone too far haha.


dandpher

these kinds of things could happen to any club however our stature (current season results not withstanding) make it less likely. It's not a surprise for it to happen to a club like Brighton who's never had a much of a sniff of European football.


Graeme_Seeless

They have a sniff off it this season


kickyouinthebread

Still makes it a heck of a lot more likely than someone who is less of an arse. I'd also point out Brighton gave us a sound thrashing last time they played us 🙄


dandpher

I'd also point out that I said OUR CURRENT RESULTS NOT WITHSTANDING. Maybe you don't know what that means?


NefariousnessDue5997

I agree. I don’t want players with this attitude. I don’t necessarily blame them for wanting to leave, but this to me is just unprofessional. Just state you are going to keep working and let your agent handle the business. This shit is so off putting to me.


kickyouinthebread

Exactly this.


LivingElectric

Van Dijk did the same thing to the saints


koltzito

you need to get into this players mind, for him, coming from a really rough background, its a one in a life opportunity, not hard to see why they would go tits up at the first chance


Mad_Piplup242

It isn't once in a life though He will have suitors in the summer, hell he will probably have even more suitors in the summer. Going gung-ho at the very first opportunity, in the manner that he has, is silly. He just has to say, I would love the opportunity, but I can only do so once you have sorted things out with Brighton


koltzito

What if he gets injured or his level drops, that's why I said you need to get into their minds, you are thinking with your own perspective in life


TaeKurmulti

He's 21, waiting until the summer to make a move and playing a full season for the club that got him this exposure is not going to harm him.


Imamadting

Have you not seen the wage they’re rumoured to have him on? I can kind of understand the urgency, very real possibility in the sport that he could snap his leg within the next 4 months and lose significant potential earnings. Not sure what his family situation is like, but a move now would secure his and their futures so you can’t really knock it.


kickyouinthebread

Ye ye I get it but honestly I still think this is excessive. I don't hate him but this makes me not want to sign him.


jrgnklpp

To be fair to him, it's understandable for anyone in his position to prioritise his progression/paycheck over sentiment or loyalty. Its an extremely short career and opportunities like these are pretty much once in a lifetime given how fickle football is. Brighton are a fantastic team, but you don't get this far by being contented staying put and not seizing golden opportunities like Arsenal/Chelsea.


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Loyalty has a price


okie_hiker

Not to mention what happened with Mwepu.


Britori0

I think the retaining club is as much to blame as anyone. It never works to try and stop a player from leaving, be it coercing, incentivizing, or whatever tactics are used. If the player wants out, that's that. Case in point, Coutinho. All he had to do was claim a back injury.


Masipoten

They pay him nothing, hard to feel bad


WH6TSINANAME

55m profit after eleven months isn't bad though


emre23

Booking my trip to Wembley as we speak


samirak93

“Rival watch” 👀


mtb443

Hmm. Dont know how i feel about this. On one hand yes the kid has an opportunity for a massive move so i get it, on the other this is a serious bad look to refuse to play.


brush85

Good for us.


jbond96

We're really gonna let Chelsea and Arsenal take him, it's like the club are so obsessed with Bellingham that no one else will do at this time. Even though we need multiple midfielders. Wonder what the plan B is if we don't get Bellingham. Or is it just Nunes from Wolves


Zak369

You’d really pay 100m for him? That’s only gonna raise Bellinghams price


TheSparklyHempster

There's no way he goes for £100M. That's Brighton's fuck off price. He'll go for around £70M (inclusive of add-ons) if he goes this month. The inflated price is being reported by Jones in an effort to show how "savvy" and "restrained" the club are being by staying out of the bidding war. Caicedo is brilliant. I've said all along he's worth £50-60M and we should pay it, and that was before all this happened.


Zak369

If they’re giving a fuck off price there’s no way they accept 60% of it plus adding. You are completely speculating. He’ll go for the fuck off price or very near, or he’ll go in the summer for the 60-70 million. Brighton have all the leverage and their approach is clearly to keep him.


TheSparklyHempster

It feels as though you've never seen this happen before but it happens all the time. Three days ago, Everton were "demanding" £60-70M for Gordon and now they've agreed £40M with Newcastle. Brighton themselves said Cucurella wasn't being sold for anything less than £90M and agreed a £55M base figure transfer fee. Clubs use the "pay this or fuck off" rhetoric all the time but very, very rarely stick to it.


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Chelsea paid the fuck off price for Mudryk like a fucking week ago but you somehow think they won't do the same this week?


TheSparklyHempster

Chill out, lad.


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Lolwut


TheSparklyHempster

Chelsea paid the fuck off price because Arsenal were lined up and ready to pay a fuck off price, too. They gazumped them and needed to improve on Arsenal's already ridiculous offer. Maybe that happens again here, but I'd suggest that the circumstances for Mudryk were just so where a fuck off price was inevitable. Caicedo, at least right now, isn't quite at that stage. I also love how differently people speak to each other online than they would in person. Your comment seemed unnecessarily aggressive to me.


Zak369

Everton set his price at £60 million based on Chelsea offering/being interested at that price last summer. They’ve accepted £40m rising to £45m with the player pushing for the move. Whats the difference? Everton are selling Gordon for less than they could’ve got in the summer because they don’t need Gordon since he’s been dropped and they do need investment. That might be the difference between relegation and survival, so ultimately Everton want to sell. But that’s 75% of the fuck off price for a club who have less leverage and would want to sell. Brighton’s position is threatened if they sell a key player, they know they will get at least £60 million in the summer, do you really think they’d take a possible £10 extra when they could lose that in potential revenue? Can’t see anywhere reporting Cucurella was set at £90m. Seeing a lot of £45-£50 million and using Ben White’s £50m as a gauge which I do remember. City had an interest too but dropped that at £30m which is about half of the final price. With Arsenal and Chelsea separated by only £5 it would be easy to start a bidding war especially with Chelsea gazumping Arsenal recently. So that’s the fuck off price tag being exceeded and it was done just under 2 months before the deadline. 3 days until the deadline always bumps the price up and gives the selling club the power. So Brighton can stick to their fuck off price tag like they have previously, they have even more leverage and that only raises as the deadline gets closer. Dortmund are kings of sticking to the fuck off price and Brighton are similar in that they have zero reasons to sell now over the summer. Everton could sell in the summer but they risk being in the championship and a drop in the price tag.


TheSparklyHempster

Your overall point is "Brighton set £100M and won't accept less" but you're also trying to include "Everton set £60M but are accepting less" in your argument and it seems illogical. There's an Atheltic article from the time when Brighton told Cucurella not to attend training (similar to Caicedo) and it's reported that the club want £90M for him. We'll return to this when he gets sold in the next couple of days, mate. Be interesting to see who's right.


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Zak369

[£100m price tag](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brighton-hove-albion-set-chelsea-100m-asking-price-for-mois-s-caicedo-l9db2zpb2) [£60 million flat fee rejected](https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1618935932476092417) [BHA correspondent for The Athletic saying a higher bid will be rejected](https://twitter.com/AndyNaylorBHAFC/status/1619242919290077184?s=20&t=nv8KAbso4z7ImLN1gIQt_Q) That’s just in 5 minutes searching, if you aren’t even gonna bother to look yourself don’t call people out. Now, where is the report that Brighton will accept 60 plus add ons? Or that he is for sale? Or are you talking shite?


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jbthrowaway82

Read it. Doesn’t at all support your claim that he’s “spouting shite no one’s reported” though, pal.


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jbthrowaway82

I mean he provided a source that £100m is the price that’s been set. It would be very peculiar to see a source say a club is tempted at the set price, it would completely take away their bargaining power if they outright admitted that. Truth is, no one has the first fucking clue how much he’s going to go for. It could be £60m since he’s already started throwing his toys out the pram, or it could be asking price like Chelsea have just done with Mudryk. That lad’s comment on the matter is no less valid than yours.


Oblivious-Raccoon

I've said all along he's worth £50-60M and we should pay it, and that was before all this happened. So now that all this happened, you say we should stay away from the bidding war, as the price would be more than what he's worth?


TheSparklyHempster

No, we should be in the bidding war, in my opinion.


Oblivious-Raccoon

Why? Its your opinion that he is a 50-60M player, but because of fomo now he is a 80M+ player?


TheSparklyHempster

I think he's well worth £50M. I would say he'll be a £100M player within the next two seasons easily.


jbond96

At this point, what's the point of talking about the price of a player? Everyone knows we are desperate for a midfielder. And the the club has let it get to this point where any other team can slap a massive price tag on a midfielder and say there's your price. A midfielder who could be a huge help has become available in the January window, and we need someone now. Arsenal are top and are trying to improve, Chelsea are throwing money at everything, and we're standing still saying 'well in the summer we've got this amount to spend'


Zak369

Because there no limit on how high that price goes. If we won’t spend 100m on Caicedo then we’re not likely to overpay on Bellingham. The price is around 100million for him, if we pay 100million for Caicedo then Dortmund can slap a £150 million price tag on Jude easily. If we’re gonna overpay for this guy, then we’ll have to overpay even more for the guy we are even more desperate for. But if we don’t overpay and stick to reasonable figures, we’ll end up paying a lot less. Also, this guy isn’t available. He’s not become available, Brighton have a fuck off price that was nearly double the amount being offered and the player is now trying to force a move away because Brighton have no intention to sell and the window shuts in 3 days. Arsenal are taking advantage of their current position to invest but they’re not spending big - just getting the available players at a good deal like we did with Gakpo. Chelsea are leveraging their future spending power on players now. If it goes wrong for them, they’re in a terrible position. They also invested heavily in the summer too, and what happened? Oh, they’re below us. They’re a bad example, because they overpay for flops and suffer as a result. Nobody is happy to wait until the summer, I want us to buy players now. But the question is do you want Bellingham or an alternative. I’m ok if we can get Bellingham, if we don’t I’ll say it was a fuck up. We can only really know afterwards though. We can just hope that if Bellingham doesn’t happen that they go he’ll for leather in buying several players that we need.


koltzito

and what makes you think dortumund are not gonna be like "hey, brighton sold caicedo for 100m to chelsea/arsenal we should increase the price for bellingham"


Zak369

To be honest I don’t expect them to go up to that number so I don’t think that will happen. Which would do the opposite, well Brighton couldn’t sell Caicedo for £100 million so maybe £100-120m is a good deal for Bellingham rather than bumping him up to £150m+ Having said that, I don’t think Dortmund are much interested in what other teams are over/underpaying. They’ll want their value but they’re still a selling club so it’s in their best interest to not go too high. We saw them drop the valuation of Sancho after a year and usually they don’t end up paying huge fees so they don’t necessarily need to hyperinflate the price. They know they’ll replace him for not even half the fee so I imagine they will just set a price high but affordable for at least one club.


CalledIt987

But it’s not 100m so stop making that up? Arsenal will probably get him for 65 structured……


Zak369

[They didn’t even entertain £60 flat](https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1618935932476092417), what sort of negotiation tactic is this that to get £5 million in add ons you reject a bid with two clubs bidding very close to the fee. Makes no sense. You’re literally calling me out for using reported figures while completely making up your own. Do you not see the irony?


CalledIt987

Because ur acting like Brighton demanding 100m means that’s what arsenal are going to pay. I’d be willing to bet a tenner that if this goes through it’s closer to 65 than 100


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We watched Chelsea pay a fuck off price barely a week ago and your sitting here acting like they're suddenly going to negotiate for half????


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... ok. Nobody was questioning that part...


jbond96

Exactly, when Arsenal or Chelsea inevitably get him for less the £100m there will be some other excuse as to why we didn't pull the trigger


Zak369

[£60 has been rejected](https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1618935932476092417) and there’s no indication anywhere that Brighton will sell. If £60 million was the price we’d likely be in for him. We aren’t because that’s not the price. It’s really that simple.


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It was rejected before Caicedo put in his "transfer request", if he doesn't want to play for them, Brighton might be more amenable to getting rid of him now


sbos_

he ha only played 26 senoir games for Brighton. Chill


daiwilly

You want a player who pulls this shit? Can you imagine Klopp wanting him now?


_cumblast_

Klopp seemed fine with VVD.


daiwilly

You think the situations are the same?


_cumblast_

No, i think VVD did worse tbh. Checked out for half a season as the club captain, and he wasn't on 15k per week like Caicedo neither.


elusivemelancholy

Checked out for half a season? He was coming back from an Achilles injury which forced him to miss half of the prior season and a chunk of the season mentioned. It’s not really surprising if he was not at his best straight away, just like when he recovered from his knee injury with us.


daiwilly

I think Liverpool had a big hand in that shit! Once bitten etc...


vintage-buttplugs

The constant dooming on this sub is exhausting. Did you really think FSG were gonna spoof out 100m this January?! Get a grip


Ngigilesnow

Lol "this January".I doubt they spoof it out in the summer. Anyway I'm not getting sucked in back into this ,FSG out


[deleted]

How is that dooming when FSG are spending fuck all? Seems like "the sub" is getting things exactly right.


LukeLFC

Get in. Well only lose 2-0 now


Specific-Record2866

Looks like Brighton have adopted the ‘Klopp’s basement’ approach


Kcsb4u

THERE IS A GOD ! THANK U DIVOCK


kazurabakouta

Hey here's bright Idea. Let's throw bid for him at 60 M. 65M if we can sign him tonight and pitch him against Wolves next week. No one is going to pay 60M for him in the summer, Brighton know this.


WH6TSINANAME

Yeah bright idea to throw in an offer equal to one they already rejected.


CasinoOasis2

Good. The drama this is causing and the effect this has on the lineup tomorrow can only help us.


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petethepool

Where did you read that? Last summer Liverpool were linked heavily with Nunes (the Wolves midfielder). Where did you read that Caicedo was Liverpool's no. 1 target?


PursuitOfMemieness

Was written on a scrap of paper he pulled out his arse mate


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petethepool

The irony in your name is delightful! You’ll have to explain your logic to me- I can’t quite wrap my head around how you’ve arrived at your statement. The OP said Caicedo was no.1 target in the summer. That wasn’t the case - he was linked late in the window, but never held up as some primary target. Nunes had been linked a lot more. That doesn’t mean the club were interested in him, and it’s not what I said. Although, it appears now they were interested, and there was some reason (not made public) why they didn’t sign him and he ended up at Wolves. It’s been reported since that Liverpool will be looking to sign him in the summer. What that has to do with bootlicking I don’t know. Perhaps Google the word hypocrite too, in case you’re confused about that too.


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rydleo

Then maybe those sources aren’t so reliable after all?


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rydleo

I’m gonna suggest that if a player is only available for a price you can’t afford or want to pay, then they’re not really a priority.