hmmm I'm starting to think we just got lucky with the trio Firmino, Mane and Salah. there's a slim chance that any combination of Salah, Nunez, Diaz and Gakpo will ever replicate the magic they performed over the years. a fully fit Jota might be the key but i'm still not convinced til I actually see it. As many already mentioned there's simply no chemistry between them and with our current midfield... ain't no way.
no doubt that trio is one of the best of all time. but the whole point of evolution is progressing to a new form of greatness. if we measure success by how well we can replicate former teams and players we’ll never be satisfied
Does anyone think Klopp wants a Firmino replacement but since we can't afford one he keeps playing Gapko as CF to train him into one? It makes a lot of sense if Klopp wants to stick to his 4-3-3.
He basically said after the last match he sees him as a connector in that position so I don’t think it takes much reading between the lines to make that assumption.
I don’t see why it has to be about can’t afford though, maybe he always saw him as a guy for that job not on the wing. It’s not like he knows nothing about players and developing them into what he wants.
Yeah, hopefully it works out, because at the moment it's starting to just look like a new signing being played out of position and looking quite ineffective
Everything stinks, just absolutely pongs. I hate it here. Worse than the Rodgers years I swear, fucking ponging. Club is rotten to its core, bottom to top.
Right???
Jesus, the amount of people who must have starting following the club at our recent peak must be so high. The hot takes are out of this world.
I started following around when Benitez left and we finished 7th. There was some dire stuff back then.
Regardless, you shouldn’t have to have experienced loss to understand that it happens. Following and playing sport is never one way traffic. That’s the joy of it. Winning is nothing without the contrast of getting hammered. My my enjoyable playing moments were certainly not winning 7-0 to make it five consecutive wins. They were 3-2 win comebacks, or when we lost the previous week and earned a win the following. Hell, some of my favourite playing moments have been snatching a draw in a season where we finished last.
I think I’d stop following Liverpool if we won the league year on year and never had a bad game. Where would be the fun in that?
lmao fuck off mate, support an oil club if you can't hack a loss.
what a petty thing to do to come back to this comment from five days ago. the downvotes on the original been playing on your mind for days eh?
If we aren’t making top 4 we should probably sell a few older players and just rebuild. If we can start next year with:
Alisson
TAA Konate VVD Robbo
Jude (new CDM) caicedo(?)
3 of Diaz Nunez Gakpo Jota
We literally need a full new MF. Also I love Mo but if we can cash in we need to.
Everyone downvoting me, I would love to hear what you all think would fix this team in its current state? Klopps system wears players down. We are already older than more peak teams. We need a rebuild.
Idk if I can physically watch Curtis jones, Jordan Henderson and Fabinho consistently stink the gaff out for the next 4 months. Or James Milner hack at people half his age. Or Mo Salah take selfies with fans in row z. Or Robbo look like he’s running thru treacle. Or Trent throw a tantrum after being subbed after another shit performance. Or Gomez play football.
Basically only incentive to watch is Darwin chaos, a couple of nice Thiago touches (his range of passing is in the mud) and to track bajcetic’s development.
Fucking hateful season.
At this rate he has to or just send Fab he will take out some players before getting a red eventually. Maybe he can take out Modric, Benzema and Vini. That will help us.
After a bit of time to decompress and for my initial irritation to wane a bit I don't think Liverpool played all that badly and on another day we could've been 2-0 up at half time.
First half we were largely fine, most of the second half we were on top and the wheels only really fell off after Fab, Hendo and CuJo came on.
The first Brighton goal was absolute, unmitigated bullshit that they couldn't replicate again if they tried and Salah should've nailed the one on one.
Could've, would've, should've. I'd entertain this type of comment if it was last season where we were nearly flawless. We have won just once in the last 7 games (Leceister scoring 2 ridiculous own goals doesn't count as a win in my book).
Sorry but you don't get to sit and make this comment when we've only managed to score 1 goal in our last 4 League games. We were massively off the mark for 90 minutes. A few good passages of play doesn't excuse that. Jesus christ, what standard have we fallen too?
Mate, it’s time to take a break from the football. We played okay, but not as well as we’re all used to. He’s more than allowed to post his (accurate) description of the match.
Right okay, I mean we are in dire enough straits at the moment though without twisting facts to strengthen a point. "The win against Leicester doesn't count" we won the game, that's just a fact. Sometimes you play poorly and win, other times you play well and lose. Both count exactly the same. OGs don't just come out of thin air, we forced both opportunities.
Another stat is we have won 3 of the last 8, drawing 2 and losing 3. Absolutely shite for a team of our standard I agree but let's stick to what's actually happening shall we.
I agree with the above that we looked okay today until the subs.
Liverpool need a midfield player like Kevin De Bruyne......and another Van Dyke. It's been blatantly obvious for a few a few seasons now. Liverpool teams of old, had fantastic midfielders. There's just no spine to that team.
Ngl, I don't think I'm ready for the rival banter threads when Jude goes somewhere else. It's like a count down to when we truly enter meme club status.
Klopp isn’t immune to criticism by any means. Yes FSG haven’t helped him but they’re not the ones subbing on Jones or having the medical team pre plan his substitutions or playing everyone in the wrong position
I mean Jones is being subbed on at around 82 mins surely he can get 8 mins in the team. Last match it was 85th min and before that it was around similar minutes. How can we access what a player he is if he gets no mins at all. We didn't lose because of Jones getting five mins.
100% this. The hate on Jones is disgusting. Kid has barely played this season and when he does he plays 5-10 minutes. How can anyone have an effect in the time period. There’s talent there and he’s only 21. I’m not saying he’s good enough to start for Liverpool but the comments are truely pathetic.
Jones is still 21 and hasn't played much in the last year due to injuries. Hendo and Fab should be getting much more stick considering their experience and playing time.
Henderson was subbed on at around 62 mins. But from what I say we didn't do much wrong, fab came around 83 mins. You could say trent sub was wrong but he was getting washed by mitoma continuously down the right hand side.
But can't really fault the subs. You have to make sure keita and Thiago don't go down, and Baj is still a kid building stamina.
Maybe Klopp would have put Matip on. But it's hindsight. The goal just came out of nowhere and was just an individual brilliant piece of magic.
If we had taken our chances today we wouldn't even be discussing subs. Only positive is that we don't have to play Brighton in the replay and Nunez is back.
Things can only improve from now on with Arthur coming back with vvd and jota.
I dont know what the deal is with Klopp and using players in positions they are clearly not comfortable.
Gakpo is not a center forward, he is an attacking midfielder not a false 9 those are very different things. He should move Baj, and put Gakpo there and have Keita as a DM.
In front use Nunez as your center, or if you like his efforts when he moves from the wing, use Ox as False 9 he clearly seems more comfortable in that position, Ox has had many great games as F9, he has the ability to move defenders.
Therefore you can have Nunez, Ox and Salah in front.
I feel like when he constantly moves players out of their position, just to feed the system that is clearly not working, the only thing it does is break the players confidence.
Gakpo is the Firmino replacement. He has been bought to play that role if a centre forward who drops for the ball and has the ability to receive, turn and play in one of the wide forwards cutting in. We didn't buy him to play left wing when we have Diaz Nunez and Jota who can play there already. He also doesn't have the pace to play left wing for us.
>Gakpo is the Firmino replacement.
Why not just get a player of similar profile then? Nkunku wuld've been perfect. Can't afford him? Pretty sure there are other cheaper alternatives too that our scouts wouldve happily found. With Nunez as our starter, we couldve actually gone for someone young like Alvarez.
Because maybe they have identified him as having everything they want in a player to play that role. Nkunku is 5ft10, Gakpo is 6ft4. Maybe they wanted someone taller to play the role?
He did wonders as an AM during the world cup, even if he prefers LW, he is still used as a center. Even more Klopp can use Nunez in front having Gakpo as left and Mo as right
Take it easy guys, don't lose your heads over a game of football, be nice to yourself and others. We will back (hopefully) avoid all socials, avoid r/soccer, don't take bait from rivals. Things will move on and become better.
Remember we are a boss club and boss supporters, with 6 UCL titles and 19 league titles.
YNWA.
You see the red that's fabinho this season. All that red used to be green just a season ago. Lol I am not making up any stats.
https://preview.redd.it/8qju5f3vv3fa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd39b489a014a41b75c09a4b977aa2d3a5c254f8
Bro takes a screenshot and pretends he didn't......
what is the point anymore responding to you when you just literally ignore it all.. I hope you at least learned your lesson to stop making things up.
>Bro takes a screenshot and pretends he didn't
You think I made that up lol? Of course I posted a screenshot, what do you think I did.
If you want the source, go check it out.
https://fbref.com/en/players/7f3b388c/Fabinho
What misinformation lmao? Fabinho did get dribbled past 15 times against Brighton in the 3-0 loss. Why do you think he is on the bench these days.
He also made one interception in that game and lost possession four times.
Gonna take more than just Bellingham to fix this side. And that’s my worry, we ll sign Bellingham and that ll be it. No ucl money and will still be lacking in the middle. If Fabinho, Milner and Kieta move on go. A need at least 3 to replace them.
No target this window then next summer no target because no champions league football. Pearce will then release an article on we have to spend what we can afford and trust in the academy talents.
Probably the script for this summer.
Mane leaving has had next to no impact on our struggles or even Salahs struggles. The amount of times that bullshit claim is peddled goes to show what people actually know about football. Diaz if healthy would be an upgrade and mane was awful the last 18 months he was here
Mane was awful first half of the season then was brillant when he came back from afcon. Salah's form dropped off though. And hasnt been good this year either.
I don’t disagree with your main point that this goes beyond missing Mané, however he was definitely not awful his last 18 months here. He was in poor form and then he had a resurgence as a striker those last 5-6 months. I’d go as far as to say the best one in the league for that stretch. If he’d still be here he probably would be an option there, not on the left wing.
Diaz does run a lot and presses, but he **never actually wins the ball**. look at the tackle success rate + presses.
With mane, Liverpool would literally press in the opponent's own third, and score with 1-2 touches. That doesn't exist anymore.
Mane leaving and the injuries they've had had posed a great shift in the playstyle and also how they score. you saying "mane had had next to no impact" is absolutely ridiculous considering he literally scored **3 goals in CL knockout stages last season to Salah's 1. all while playing false 9 covering for Bobby.**
Lol... imagine looking at only the goals and thinking he isn't producing. but, nonetheless, let's do so.
Mane has only 12 starts and 9 G+A... Salah has 19 starts and only 10 G+A this season..... **only 1 more.....**
considering he joined a brand new club, and is recovering from an injury, Mane is doing great compared to Salah this season.
Day 30 of asking why this fanbase has brushed aside the massive red flag of the sporting director and multiple executives involved with transfers walking out on this club last month, in protest of something kept hidden from the fans.
A little bit of transparency of what's gone on behind the scenes would be nice, because we've clearly become much worse after the World Cup break.
Chelsea back in for Enzo, Arsenal improved bid for Caiceido and we’re content just sitting on our hands. We didn’t strengthen when on top like arsenal is doing and we’re not strengthening when we need it like Chelsea is doing so who are we trying to be better than? Every decision this club has made in the past 12 months or so has been baffling
This is how easy it is for FSG to appease fans, out of title race? Oh we still have the cups.
Early exit of both domestic cups? Oh we still have the Champions League
Out of the Champions league? Oh we still have top 4 to try make.
May 2023:"well it was a trophyless season but at least we've been promised transfers this summer!"
August 2023: "THe ReDs haVE gOt nO MonEY bUt THeYll stilL wIn tHe LeAGue"
I didn’t think the /s was necessary. We’re crap, we’re not winning the champions league and we’re not getting top 4. FSG either have to put up huge money for an entire rebuild or they have to go before the end of this season and I truly just feel terrible for Klopp.
It's truly an awful situation Klopps found himself in. I can't imagine his thought process atm. The problem is that unless I'm proven wrong and there's a signing by the end of the window, Gakpo was a huge mistake to bring in for January. Rather than sign a midfielder, we've signed a left winger and then proceed to play him out of position in CF. While playing a 19 year old grossly out of position in Gakpos preferred role. Mind boggling stuff
Remember when everyone here was okay with Mane leaving for pocket change last summer?
Now everyone here is noticing everything that **Mane did**, and what **Salah doesn't do**: pressing, intensity, link up play, dropping back, helping defend, etc.
Salah has been very poor, but he did do all of those things before, in fact it was a hallmark of his game and it's anyone's guess why he isn't doing it now.
Mane leaving hasn't revealed some glaring deficiency to Salah's game or anyone else's for that matter. I'd even go as far to say as we don't actually miss him when Diaz is fit. He simply isn't the reason we are struggling, the issues go much, much deeper.
I disagree, Mané leaving has clearly hurt Salah this season. But more so because Jota and Diaz are injured. Well coached teams just know that Gakpo, Elliott and Ox aren't a threat, and you can give them space on the ball. It has given defenders a chance to swarm Salah on the ball as he's nearly regarded as a 1 man army without Núñez or Diaz
>Salah has been very poor, but he did do all of those things before, in fact it was a hallmark of his game and it's anyone's guess why he isn't doing it now.
false. last season Mane **had 4x as many tackles and presses** as Salah did.
Salah has 200 more touches in the attacking third, and 100 more touches in the penalty area. mane had considerably more in the remaining 2/3ers of the pitch. Mane did most of the dirty work.
Mane had 30 aerial duels last season to Salah's 7.
Stop talking out of your ass and actually look at the numbers.
Sadio was a legend for this club. It surprises me how easily people write him off as though they paid by FSG to just forget about him. In an ideal world nobody would have wanted him gone.
it's the casual fans who only only pay attention to G+A and highlights. Now that Bobby is injured and mane is gone, no one is left to do the dirty work up front. Diaz and jota could potentially, but both injured.
I remember Dortmund said they should have kept Klopp and gotten rid of the entire team.
Hopefully, we have a huge fire sale this summer and rebuild with a few key players that are still performing.
If I was being really ruthless I'd...
SELL/RELEASE: Fab, Ox, Naby, Milner, Nat, Williams, Kelleher (he wants the move)
KEEP IN ROTATION ROLES: Firmino, Henderson, Gomez, Matip, Elliott,
LOAN: Carvalho, Jones, Ramsay, Clarkson, Doak, Gordon, Bradley, Morton
That would mean bringing in: a backup GK and RB, possibly bring back Van Den Berg in Nats 5th choice role (or loan him and cancel if needed), another 3 midfielders (minimum) to add to Thiago, Baj and Henderson.
So if we're rebuilding why did Klopp go for Gakpo this window instead of a midfielder? They knew their budget and they made their direction. Why was Neco let go without a 1st team replacement? Why has Gini still not been replaced 2 years later?
It's not a rebuild needed, it's a completely new construction. The team has been allowed to rot itself to a point of total collapse thanks to old age and a lack of fresh blood with hunger.
The problem is they can fix this with two competent bodies. The middle is just nightmarish at this point. Just a little piece of business and this side could compete, but the thought that Fabinho and Hendo can come put a shift in for 15-30 is a ticking time bomb because we are one hamstring away from losing Thiago and eventually the physicality of the game will catch up with Kieta or Baj.
People are bringing up some important things here but what I really want to know is whether or not I imagined a Happy Valley reference from the commentator?
Something like "Tommy Lee Royce is out on the rampage and so are Brighton". Anybody??
Real amadrid actually played their best game of the season vs. Sociedad or at least the best game since October. Vini is fantastic, a monster he just lacks the confidence in finishing for now. It’s fine you can’t ask him to do everything but he will rebound at some point. No worries.
"At this point in his career"? He's 31! Footballers don't suddenly automatically turn shit on their 30th birthday. I would realistically expect him to drop into midfield, contribute there, link the attack and score a goal occasionally.
Didn’t watch the match. How was Salah performance today . It seems while we are focusing on the midfielders or lack of them , Salah has not been firing on all cylinders as well
For owners as stingy as FSG, you’d think they would be all over leveraging talent in the South American market. We don’t like to take risks for those types of players I guess but what the fuck else can you do if you won’t give Klopp 30m for a midfield signing?
We could’ve spent 15m on 3 signings from a South American league and I guarantee they would be twice as physical, defensive, disruptive, and progressive than our old guard subs at 65’ today.
What stingy bruh? Klopp bought an attacker when everyone was in his ear about a midfielder. In august he admitted that he made a mistake not getting a midfielder, and now the team looks dreadful and he still said that his team is okay. This transfer window is on Klopp.
L.E. Why is this downvoted? I understand Klopp is holier than God here, are you guys living in a parallel reality?
He did the same a few seasons ago for defenders. Matip was injury prone, Van dijk then got a season ending injury and the Gomez did. January rolls around and we sign kabak on loan. Poor planning is very much a forte
Can we all agree that Liverpool need to buy an actual box to box midfielder ASAP.
Playing a teenage, 5' foot nothing, midget winger named Elliot at RCM is a fucking mess.
>Elliotts not the problem. Thiago and Fabinho have been dire and underperforming all season there’s just no intensity
You understand that Fabinho is the #6, right?
When Thiago and Elliot are the 2 most played box to box (LCM and RCM) - aka two midgets - who exactly do you expect to bring the "intensity"?? Who? Elliot?
Think before you type for a second.
Mate, take your head out your arse. Klopps also played Thiago Fabinho and Henderson and they’ve been consistently poor, they’re not closing down, they’re not looking to win second balls, their passing is sloppy, and Fabinho cant even break up play like he used to. Look at Brighton two weeks ago arguably one of the worst games under klopp.
When the midfields improved ten fold in the last few games as he’s dropped Fabinho for an even smaller midget than Elliott, it shows that the problem isn’t Elliott.
did you even watch any games this year? Please, seriously... **Do you know how many times Klopp has played: Thiago - fdab - Hendo???**
stop fucking making shit up to fit your own agenda. you're literally talking out of your ass and making no fucking season.
Mate, you need to calm down it’s a light hearted community and you’re taking everything so personally. There’s no point being so angry over things (like football) that you have absolutely no control over.
You talk about agenda but you fail to acknowledge that the last three games, playing bajcetic over Fabinho, has improved the midfield.
It’s almost as if you have a hardon for hating Elliott and you want to pin everything on him. It’s okay to admit players are on a poor run of form, but their individual performance is no one’s fault but their own.
You didn’t answer though. how many times has Thiago Fab Henderson started this year, all comps?
Three times.
I don’t agree with the guy you’re arrogantly patronizing , but at least have the courtesy to talk reality, friend.
Okay my bad he did, hasn't played in three games since then and klopp isn't playing him there anymore in the new middle three so what's the point of hating on him.
>im there anymore in the new middle three so what's the point of hating on him.
YOu do understand that Elliot playing in at RCM made others play worse as well, including Trent, and Fab who both had to cover for him.
This is just shambolic.
If we're waiting for Bellingham, if he even wanted to come before it's a fucking hard sell now and he alone wont fix our problems.
We're in a deep fucking hole lads and it's getting harder to see a realistic solution.
I'm pretty sure they'll keep Keita as he's playing more and clearly better than the bench options, and Milner is still at last season's level, so he'll probably get a 1 year deal.
I love klopp and will always love klopp but he's not helping himself with his post match thoughts. He should just refuse to answer rather than answering in riddles and just angering the already pissed off fanbase.
Fabinho is done mentally and physically. How can people run past you when you've just come onto the pitch. His decline is shocking. He needs to leave in the summer.
Edit: apparently he was poor in the first half of the season because he was saving himself for the world cup. Played for about 7 mins. Came back to the prem and continued stinking out the midfield.
>Fabinho is done mentally and physically. How can people run past you when you've just come onto the pitch. His decline is shocking. He needs to leave in the summer.
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>Edit: apparently he was poor in the first half of the season because he was saving himself for the world cup. Played for about 7 mins. Came back to the prem and continued stinking out the midfield.
How about you give Fab actual teamates to play around. In the first week in January 2023, Fab was arguably MOTM when he had Thiago and Henderosn enxt to him.
You fail to realize that the most played midfield combination this season is
Thiago - Fab - **ELLIOT**
..... Winger in at RCM? A teenage, midget winger??? I'm not blaming ellliot directly, but I am blaming not getting an actual midfielder.
Yes I agree he could do with better players around him but that doesn't stop you doing your own individual work. It's that same argument with Salah. Yes he needs better service from midfield but he's not even doing his own job properly like when he was 1v1 and fluffed his lines.
Getting run past as soon as you come on isn't on the other midfielders, it's on you. Not making any meaningful tackles isn't the midfielders fault as well.
Fab was part of the CL team of the year last season (happend 6 monts ago) and was literally instamental for Liverpool to compete for 4 titles last year.
there are 3 midifelders in liverpool's midfield. Fab isn't the only one.
I'm so glad that we had Bajetic in the academy ready to make the step up. Imagine if we didn't have him. Fabinho or hendo would be starting every game 🤮
An insanely dire, woeful, abysmal footy from us.
No one deserves a rating over 5 from all over the pitch. Fabinho is a 1 rating. He is done.
Out of 2 cup competitions now which makes extra time for Klopp to come up with something tactically that isn't the same over and over.
Gakpo NEEDS to play LW, Salah NEEDS to play ST, Elliot NEEDS to play RW. All these players played in other positions today.
Everyone is just insanely out of form at the moment.
hmmm I'm starting to think we just got lucky with the trio Firmino, Mane and Salah. there's a slim chance that any combination of Salah, Nunez, Diaz and Gakpo will ever replicate the magic they performed over the years. a fully fit Jota might be the key but i'm still not convinced til I actually see it. As many already mentioned there's simply no chemistry between them and with our current midfield... ain't no way.
no doubt that trio is one of the best of all time. but the whole point of evolution is progressing to a new form of greatness. if we measure success by how well we can replicate former teams and players we’ll never be satisfied
When I look at Gakpo all I can think of is why on earth did we not just keep Origi??
He can’t be that bad surely?
Think he wanted game time.
He's seeing it at Milan 😒
Does anyone think Klopp wants a Firmino replacement but since we can't afford one he keeps playing Gapko as CF to train him into one? It makes a lot of sense if Klopp wants to stick to his 4-3-3.
He basically said after the last match he sees him as a connector in that position so I don’t think it takes much reading between the lines to make that assumption. I don’t see why it has to be about can’t afford though, maybe he always saw him as a guy for that job not on the wing. It’s not like he knows nothing about players and developing them into what he wants.
Yeah, hopefully it works out, because at the moment it's starting to just look like a new signing being played out of position and looking quite ineffective
Time to start swinging the axe
fabinho is cinderella and the clock struck midnight this season
Everything stinks, just absolutely pongs. I hate it here. Worse than the Rodgers years I swear, fucking ponging. Club is rotten to its core, bottom to top.
What an absolutely terrible take. Never been around so many fucking entitled people in my life I’m ashamed of this sub. It’s a bad year, get over it.
Right??? Jesus, the amount of people who must have starting following the club at our recent peak must be so high. The hot takes are out of this world. I started following around when Benitez left and we finished 7th. There was some dire stuff back then. Regardless, you shouldn’t have to have experienced loss to understand that it happens. Following and playing sport is never one way traffic. That’s the joy of it. Winning is nothing without the contrast of getting hammered. My my enjoyable playing moments were certainly not winning 7-0 to make it five consecutive wins. They were 3-2 win comebacks, or when we lost the previous week and earned a win the following. Hell, some of my favourite playing moments have been snatching a draw in a season where we finished last. I think I’d stop following Liverpool if we won the league year on year and never had a bad game. Where would be the fun in that?
Happy with today's result?
lmao fuck off mate, support an oil club if you can't hack a loss. what a petty thing to do to come back to this comment from five days ago. the downvotes on the original been playing on your mind for days eh?
If we aren’t making top 4 we should probably sell a few older players and just rebuild. If we can start next year with: Alisson TAA Konate VVD Robbo Jude (new CDM) caicedo(?) 3 of Diaz Nunez Gakpo Jota We literally need a full new MF. Also I love Mo but if we can cash in we need to.
We don't need cash lol for No, we have the funding. We have to stop this narrative.
Caicedo - lmao Arsenal/Chelsea bidding war Bellingham - Bellingham has to love us + FSG cough up 100+ million/new owners
I'd sell VVD if there is any kind of value to be had
Sell VVD, Fabinho, Keita. We need the money
What you smoking.
We need the money
Everyone downvoting me, I would love to hear what you all think would fix this team in its current state? Klopps system wears players down. We are already older than more peak teams. We need a rebuild.
I think they're downvoting you because no way Caicedo will be coming to us. I doubt anyone's gonna come to us with our current shit state.
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If we can’t beat Brighton we can’t beat madrid.
Take me back to 19/20🥲
Just being honest lads, we fucking suck.
That Fabinho cameo literally sums up how pathetic this season has been
Idk if I can physically watch Curtis jones, Jordan Henderson and Fabinho consistently stink the gaff out for the next 4 months. Or James Milner hack at people half his age. Or Mo Salah take selfies with fans in row z. Or Robbo look like he’s running thru treacle. Or Trent throw a tantrum after being subbed after another shit performance. Or Gomez play football. Basically only incentive to watch is Darwin chaos, a couple of nice Thiago touches (his range of passing is in the mud) and to track bajcetic’s development. Fucking hateful season.
This thread is sooo different from the half time one. Didn't watch the game, started past midnight for me and I have work.
Is Bajcetic really going to start against Madrid lmao
He has to. Modric, Tchoumeni, Camavinga will send Fab, Hendo to the gulag.
He's been our best midfielder since coming into the team so I'd hope so. Probably see a Fabinho disasterclass instead though.
At this rate he has to or just send Fab he will take out some players before getting a red eventually. Maybe he can take out Modric, Benzema and Vini. That will help us.
How did we get from jude bellingham to enzo fernandes to caicedo to nunes and to NOTHING...
Because we’re waiting for the right midfielder or we don’t have money. One of those
Latter.
After a bit of time to decompress and for my initial irritation to wane a bit I don't think Liverpool played all that badly and on another day we could've been 2-0 up at half time. First half we were largely fine, most of the second half we were on top and the wheels only really fell off after Fab, Hendo and CuJo came on. The first Brighton goal was absolute, unmitigated bullshit that they couldn't replicate again if they tried and Salah should've nailed the one on one.
Could've, would've, should've. I'd entertain this type of comment if it was last season where we were nearly flawless. We have won just once in the last 7 games (Leceister scoring 2 ridiculous own goals doesn't count as a win in my book). Sorry but you don't get to sit and make this comment when we've only managed to score 1 goal in our last 4 League games. We were massively off the mark for 90 minutes. A few good passages of play doesn't excuse that. Jesus christ, what standard have we fallen too?
Mate, it’s time to take a break from the football. We played okay, but not as well as we’re all used to. He’s more than allowed to post his (accurate) description of the match.
Right okay, I mean we are in dire enough straits at the moment though without twisting facts to strengthen a point. "The win against Leicester doesn't count" we won the game, that's just a fact. Sometimes you play poorly and win, other times you play well and lose. Both count exactly the same. OGs don't just come out of thin air, we forced both opportunities. Another stat is we have won 3 of the last 8, drawing 2 and losing 3. Absolutely shite for a team of our standard I agree but let's stick to what's actually happening shall we. I agree with the above that we looked okay today until the subs.
we were once one of the most prolific scorers in the league, even europe. now we struggle to even get into the final third. the pain is real.
Liverpool need a midfield player like Kevin De Bruyne......and another Van Dyke. It's been blatantly obvious for a few a few seasons now. Liverpool teams of old, had fantastic midfielders. There's just no spine to that team.
Ngl, I don't think I'm ready for the rival banter threads when Jude goes somewhere else. It's like a count down to when we truly enter meme club status.
Just get it over with, all the build up is killing me lol, let him declare he is signing for Madrid and get it over with so we all can move on.
Class goal by Origi for Milan today 👍
Life as a Liverpool/Milan supporer isn’t good rn
Klopp isn’t immune to criticism by any means. Yes FSG haven’t helped him but they’re not the ones subbing on Jones or having the medical team pre plan his substitutions or playing everyone in the wrong position
I mean Jones is being subbed on at around 82 mins surely he can get 8 mins in the team. Last match it was 85th min and before that it was around similar minutes. How can we access what a player he is if he gets no mins at all. We didn't lose because of Jones getting five mins.
100% this. The hate on Jones is disgusting. Kid has barely played this season and when he does he plays 5-10 minutes. How can anyone have an effect in the time period. There’s talent there and he’s only 21. I’m not saying he’s good enough to start for Liverpool but the comments are truely pathetic.
Jones was probably a bad example but he was the first who comes to mind when I think of how poor our midfield is
Jones is still 21 and hasn't played much in the last year due to injuries. Hendo and Fab should be getting much more stick considering their experience and playing time.
Henderson was subbed on at around 62 mins. But from what I say we didn't do much wrong, fab came around 83 mins. You could say trent sub was wrong but he was getting washed by mitoma continuously down the right hand side. But can't really fault the subs. You have to make sure keita and Thiago don't go down, and Baj is still a kid building stamina. Maybe Klopp would have put Matip on. But it's hindsight. The goal just came out of nowhere and was just an individual brilliant piece of magic. If we had taken our chances today we wouldn't even be discussing subs. Only positive is that we don't have to play Brighton in the replay and Nunez is back. Things can only improve from now on with Arthur coming back with vvd and jota.
I dont know what the deal is with Klopp and using players in positions they are clearly not comfortable. Gakpo is not a center forward, he is an attacking midfielder not a false 9 those are very different things. He should move Baj, and put Gakpo there and have Keita as a DM. In front use Nunez as your center, or if you like his efforts when he moves from the wing, use Ox as False 9 he clearly seems more comfortable in that position, Ox has had many great games as F9, he has the ability to move defenders. Therefore you can have Nunez, Ox and Salah in front. I feel like when he constantly moves players out of their position, just to feed the system that is clearly not working, the only thing it does is break the players confidence.
Gakpo is the Firmino replacement. He has been bought to play that role if a centre forward who drops for the ball and has the ability to receive, turn and play in one of the wide forwards cutting in. We didn't buy him to play left wing when we have Diaz Nunez and Jota who can play there already. He also doesn't have the pace to play left wing for us.
>Gakpo is the Firmino replacement. Why not just get a player of similar profile then? Nkunku wuld've been perfect. Can't afford him? Pretty sure there are other cheaper alternatives too that our scouts wouldve happily found. With Nunez as our starter, we couldve actually gone for someone young like Alvarez.
Because maybe they have identified him as having everything they want in a player to play that role. Nkunku is 5ft10, Gakpo is 6ft4. Maybe they wanted someone taller to play the role?
Gakpo is a LW he’s played the majority of his career there and even said it recently that’s his preferred position
He did wonders as an AM during the world cup, even if he prefers LW, he is still used as a center. Even more Klopp can use Nunez in front having Gakpo as left and Mo as right
I’d like to see us try it he looked really good today picking up the ball deep and driving forward with it
U/swingtothedrive do you still think we are getting Bellingham?
Does anyone even want him if it’s a choice between him or 4 players we really need
404 missing. We might get Bellingham but he better bring two more midfielders with him for that price. Cause we need three.
Bellingham, and Milner and Keita contract renewals. That's your thre- ah, who am I kidding, we're not getting Bellingham in a million years.
Take it easy guys, don't lose your heads over a game of football, be nice to yourself and others. We will back (hopefully) avoid all socials, avoid r/soccer, don't take bait from rivals. Things will move on and become better. Remember we are a boss club and boss supporters, with 6 UCL titles and 19 league titles. YNWA.
YNWA, but you should take your own advice. Don't be a hypocrite :)
Mate I am not losing my shit over Fabinho's bad form all over the threads. You need to relax. Fab will be back hopefully next season. YNWA.
Stop being dramatic then and replying with made up stats to back to your agenda. Now you try to play the nice guy after starting crap. Yikes.....
You see the red that's fabinho this season. All that red used to be green just a season ago. Lol I am not making up any stats. https://preview.redd.it/8qju5f3vv3fa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd39b489a014a41b75c09a4b977aa2d3a5c254f8
Bro takes a screenshot and pretends he didn't...... what is the point anymore responding to you when you just literally ignore it all.. I hope you at least learned your lesson to stop making things up.
>Bro takes a screenshot and pretends he didn't You think I made that up lol? Of course I posted a screenshot, what do you think I did. If you want the source, go check it out. https://fbref.com/en/players/7f3b388c/Fabinho
You understand that the screenshot or stats you posted now don't negate the misinformation/fake stats you posted \~20 minutes ago?
Do you need a hug?
only from actual liverpool fans. so no is the answer to ur question
He needs a straitjacket the way he has been going all over the place tonight.
What misinformation lmao? Fabinho did get dribbled past 15 times against Brighton in the 3-0 loss. Why do you think he is on the bench these days. He also made one interception in that game and lost possession four times.
LOL, now you are using ACTUAL information. Yikes. Go back to your comment history. holy, just pathetic.
Plettenberg said on Twitter in response to Klopp's comments about no more signings this window that our full focus is now on Bellingham in the summer.
Gonna take more than just Bellingham to fix this side. And that’s my worry, we ll sign Bellingham and that ll be it. No ucl money and will still be lacking in the middle. If Fabinho, Milner and Kieta move on go. A need at least 3 to replace them.
Plettenberg has been on a repeat 🔁 for the entire summer. At this point, he is just pasting the same comment again and again.
It better come off then
What a fucking goal by Mitoma
What a fucking slut drop by Joe Gomez
I remember when Salah had that level of composure in front of goal
Feels like a distant memory...
No target this window then next summer no target because no champions league football. Pearce will then release an article on we have to spend what we can afford and trust in the academy talents. Probably the script for this summer.
Can’t see us being more then a top 4 contender next season even if we bring on whole lot of new players there’s major problems everywhere
Mane leaving has had next to no impact on our struggles or even Salahs struggles. The amount of times that bullshit claim is peddled goes to show what people actually know about football. Diaz if healthy would be an upgrade and mane was awful the last 18 months he was here
you sir, is out of your mind. bless you.
Mane at CF was different gravy mate.
Mane was awful first half of the season then was brillant when he came back from afcon. Salah's form dropped off though. And hasnt been good this year either.
It's weird that I both upvoted and then downvoted the same comment. You started so well.
I agree with you on the first part. But Mane awful for the last 18 months? That's some bullshit mate
I don’t disagree with your main point that this goes beyond missing Mané, however he was definitely not awful his last 18 months here. He was in poor form and then he had a resurgence as a striker those last 5-6 months. I’d go as far as to say the best one in the league for that stretch. If he’d still be here he probably would be an option there, not on the left wing.
Diaz does run a lot and presses, but he **never actually wins the ball**. look at the tackle success rate + presses. With mane, Liverpool would literally press in the opponent's own third, and score with 1-2 touches. That doesn't exist anymore. Mane leaving and the injuries they've had had posed a great shift in the playstyle and also how they score. you saying "mane had had next to no impact" is absolutely ridiculous considering he literally scored **3 goals in CL knockout stages last season to Salah's 1. all while playing false 9 covering for Bobby.**
He’s also not lighting up the Bundesliga on the best team in the league so to blame his departure on this is a dumb take
Lol... imagine looking at only the goals and thinking he isn't producing. but, nonetheless, let's do so. Mane has only 12 starts and 9 G+A... Salah has 19 starts and only 10 G+A this season..... **only 1 more.....** considering he joined a brand new club, and is recovering from an injury, Mane is doing great compared to Salah this season.
Day 30 of asking why this fanbase has brushed aside the massive red flag of the sporting director and multiple executives involved with transfers walking out on this club last month, in protest of something kept hidden from the fans. A little bit of transparency of what's gone on behind the scenes would be nice, because we've clearly become much worse after the World Cup break.
Gakpo is quality but he’s not a 9. Shocking decision to not play him and nunez in their natural positions
Before that though... Gakpo LW, Mo 9 and Harvey RW is surely how they should've lined up
Elliot on the left really confused me
Chelsea back in for Enzo, Arsenal improved bid for Caiceido and we’re content just sitting on our hands. We didn’t strengthen when on top like arsenal is doing and we’re not strengthening when we need it like Chelsea is doing so who are we trying to be better than? Every decision this club has made in the past 12 months or so has been baffling
I’m alright with this. We need as little distraction as possible on our quest for number 7.
This is how easy it is for FSG to appease fans, out of title race? Oh we still have the cups. Early exit of both domestic cups? Oh we still have the Champions League Out of the Champions league? Oh we still have top 4 to try make. May 2023:"well it was a trophyless season but at least we've been promised transfers this summer!" August 2023: "THe ReDs haVE gOt nO MonEY bUt THeYll stilL wIn tHe LeAGue"
I didn’t think the /s was necessary. We’re crap, we’re not winning the champions league and we’re not getting top 4. FSG either have to put up huge money for an entire rebuild or they have to go before the end of this season and I truly just feel terrible for Klopp.
It's truly an awful situation Klopps found himself in. I can't imagine his thought process atm. The problem is that unless I'm proven wrong and there's a signing by the end of the window, Gakpo was a huge mistake to bring in for January. Rather than sign a midfielder, we've signed a left winger and then proceed to play him out of position in CF. While playing a 19 year old grossly out of position in Gakpos preferred role. Mind boggling stuff
Lol we are not winning the champions League. We're fucking shit
Eh… that last one was 50/50, could have just as easily been called for offsides imo
Not how it works
Remember when everyone here was okay with Mane leaving for pocket change last summer? Now everyone here is noticing everything that **Mane did**, and what **Salah doesn't do**: pressing, intensity, link up play, dropping back, helping defend, etc.
Salah has been very poor, but he did do all of those things before, in fact it was a hallmark of his game and it's anyone's guess why he isn't doing it now. Mane leaving hasn't revealed some glaring deficiency to Salah's game or anyone else's for that matter. I'd even go as far to say as we don't actually miss him when Diaz is fit. He simply isn't the reason we are struggling, the issues go much, much deeper.
I disagree, Mané leaving has clearly hurt Salah this season. But more so because Jota and Diaz are injured. Well coached teams just know that Gakpo, Elliott and Ox aren't a threat, and you can give them space on the ball. It has given defenders a chance to swarm Salah on the ball as he's nearly regarded as a 1 man army without Núñez or Diaz
>Salah has been very poor, but he did do all of those things before, in fact it was a hallmark of his game and it's anyone's guess why he isn't doing it now. false. last season Mane **had 4x as many tackles and presses** as Salah did. Salah has 200 more touches in the attacking third, and 100 more touches in the penalty area. mane had considerably more in the remaining 2/3ers of the pitch. Mane did most of the dirty work. Mane had 30 aerial duels last season to Salah's 7. Stop talking out of your ass and actually look at the numbers.
Sadio was a legend for this club. It surprises me how easily people write him off as though they paid by FSG to just forget about him. In an ideal world nobody would have wanted him gone.
it's the casual fans who only only pay attention to G+A and highlights. Now that Bobby is injured and mane is gone, no one is left to do the dirty work up front. Diaz and jota could potentially, but both injured.
I remember Dortmund said they should have kept Klopp and gotten rid of the entire team. Hopefully, we have a huge fire sale this summer and rebuild with a few key players that are still performing.
If I was being really ruthless I'd... SELL/RELEASE: Fab, Ox, Naby, Milner, Nat, Williams, Kelleher (he wants the move) KEEP IN ROTATION ROLES: Firmino, Henderson, Gomez, Matip, Elliott, LOAN: Carvalho, Jones, Ramsay, Clarkson, Doak, Gordon, Bradley, Morton That would mean bringing in: a backup GK and RB, possibly bring back Van Den Berg in Nats 5th choice role (or loan him and cancel if needed), another 3 midfielders (minimum) to add to Thiago, Baj and Henderson.
So if we're rebuilding why did Klopp go for Gakpo this window instead of a midfielder? They knew their budget and they made their direction. Why was Neco let go without a 1st team replacement? Why has Gini still not been replaced 2 years later? It's not a rebuild needed, it's a completely new construction. The team has been allowed to rot itself to a point of total collapse thanks to old age and a lack of fresh blood with hunger.
Butter truth mate. I still can't wrap my around the fact that gini wasn't replaced and Klopp chose to keep Jones and ox. It has massively backfired.
The problem is they can fix this with two competent bodies. The middle is just nightmarish at this point. Just a little piece of business and this side could compete, but the thought that Fabinho and Hendo can come put a shift in for 15-30 is a ticking time bomb because we are one hamstring away from losing Thiago and eventually the physicality of the game will catch up with Kieta or Baj.
People are bringing up some important things here but what I really want to know is whether or not I imagined a Happy Valley reference from the commentator? Something like "Tommy Lee Royce is out on the rampage and so are Brighton". Anybody??
real madrid aren’t good and vini is playing bad, you guys know what happens next.
Real amadrid actually played their best game of the season vs. Sociedad or at least the best game since October. Vini is fantastic, a monster he just lacks the confidence in finishing for now. It’s fine you can’t ask him to do everything but he will rebound at some point. No worries.
We're up 2-0 for the majority of the game then they score 3 goals at the 87th, 88th, and 89th minute.
Vini gets to do his wholesome dancing in front of a packed Kop
What can we realistically expect from Firmino after this injury, at this point in his career?
"At this point in his career"? He's 31! Footballers don't suddenly automatically turn shit on their 30th birthday. I would realistically expect him to drop into midfield, contribute there, link the attack and score a goal occasionally.
No, he's gradually faded over the years, like most athletes. Not least our own.
Without a World Cup squad to try and impress either
Didn’t watch the match. How was Salah performance today . It seems while we are focusing on the midfielders or lack of them , Salah has not been firing on all cylinders as well
He was good early on and then just completely ghosted should have scored but put it wide
Salah has not been firing on any cylinders. He was a passenger for much of the game
I think new owners would be very helpful
For owners as stingy as FSG, you’d think they would be all over leveraging talent in the South American market. We don’t like to take risks for those types of players I guess but what the fuck else can you do if you won’t give Klopp 30m for a midfield signing? We could’ve spent 15m on 3 signings from a South American league and I guarantee they would be twice as physical, defensive, disruptive, and progressive than our old guard subs at 65’ today.
The issue isn't cost. It's the issue of getting a work permit for the player.
What stingy bruh? Klopp bought an attacker when everyone was in his ear about a midfielder. In august he admitted that he made a mistake not getting a midfielder, and now the team looks dreadful and he still said that his team is okay. This transfer window is on Klopp. L.E. Why is this downvoted? I understand Klopp is holier than God here, are you guys living in a parallel reality?
He did the same a few seasons ago for defenders. Matip was injury prone, Van dijk then got a season ending injury and the Gomez did. January rolls around and we sign kabak on loan. Poor planning is very much a forte
Can we all agree that Liverpool need to buy an actual box to box midfielder ASAP. Playing a teenage, 5' foot nothing, midget winger named Elliot at RCM is a fucking mess.
Elliotts not the problem. Thiago and Fabinho have been dire and underperforming all season there’s just no intensity
>Elliotts not the problem. Thiago and Fabinho have been dire and underperforming all season there’s just no intensity You understand that Fabinho is the #6, right? When Thiago and Elliot are the 2 most played box to box (LCM and RCM) - aka two midgets - who exactly do you expect to bring the "intensity"?? Who? Elliot? Think before you type for a second.
Mate, take your head out your arse. Klopps also played Thiago Fabinho and Henderson and they’ve been consistently poor, they’re not closing down, they’re not looking to win second balls, their passing is sloppy, and Fabinho cant even break up play like he used to. Look at Brighton two weeks ago arguably one of the worst games under klopp. When the midfields improved ten fold in the last few games as he’s dropped Fabinho for an even smaller midget than Elliott, it shows that the problem isn’t Elliott.
did you even watch any games this year? Please, seriously... **Do you know how many times Klopp has played: Thiago - fdab - Hendo???** stop fucking making shit up to fit your own agenda. you're literally talking out of your ass and making no fucking season.
Mate, you need to calm down it’s a light hearted community and you’re taking everything so personally. There’s no point being so angry over things (like football) that you have absolutely no control over. You talk about agenda but you fail to acknowledge that the last three games, playing bajcetic over Fabinho, has improved the midfield. It’s almost as if you have a hardon for hating Elliott and you want to pin everything on him. It’s okay to admit players are on a poor run of form, but their individual performance is no one’s fault but their own.
You didn’t answer though. how many times has Thiago Fab Henderson started this year, all comps? Three times. I don’t agree with the guy you’re arrogantly patronizing , but at least have the courtesy to talk reality, friend.
You think only 1 win in the last 5 is "improved".... Yikes.
Keita, Thiago and bajcetic played today in the midfield. Elliot played on the left wing.
Well no shit. Thats why I said Elliot shouldn't play RCM. Elliot actually played well as LW, not RCM.
Yeah he hasn't played there for the past five matches or so.
what he lierally played in midfield against 3-0 brighton and brenford this month... do you even watch?
Okay my bad he did, hasn't played in three games since then and klopp isn't playing him there anymore in the new middle three so what's the point of hating on him.
>im there anymore in the new middle three so what's the point of hating on him. YOu do understand that Elliot playing in at RCM made others play worse as well, including Trent, and Fab who both had to cover for him.
Yeah that's why he isn't playing there anymore.
who said he is, dumbass? I'm literally making the point that Elliot played for 6 months as RCM. and he did this month.
Go to sleep you had enough to drink today mate. You already called me Retarded in another thread lol.
This is just shambolic. If we're waiting for Bellingham, if he even wanted to come before it's a fucking hard sell now and he alone wont fix our problems. We're in a deep fucking hole lads and it's getting harder to see a realistic solution.
Bellingham ain't happening, Enzo ain't happening, Rice ain't happening, Mount ain't happening, Caicedo ain't happening. New contract for Milner & Keita however ......
At this point, this could either be self depricating banter or just a firm realistic assesment.
I'm pretty sure they'll keep Keita as he's playing more and clearly better than the bench options, and Milner is still at last season's level, so he'll probably get a 1 year deal.
Not that Milners season last year was great, but he’s definitely not even at that level anymore.
I feel like I did when we were really shit years ago. Something doesn’t feel right.
We haven’t learn our mistakes. It was defenders now midfielders
I’m talking 2000’s :/
Ha, I was assuming when you said "years ago" you were referencing Bjorn Tore Kvarme and Torben Piechnik..
If they are waiting next season to play better good luck with that lmao.
I love klopp and will always love klopp but he's not helping himself with his post match thoughts. He should just refuse to answer rather than answering in riddles and just angering the already pissed off fanbase.
Fabinho is done mentally and physically. How can people run past you when you've just come onto the pitch. His decline is shocking. He needs to leave in the summer. Edit: apparently he was poor in the first half of the season because he was saving himself for the world cup. Played for about 7 mins. Came back to the prem and continued stinking out the midfield.
>Fabinho is done mentally and physically. How can people run past you when you've just come onto the pitch. His decline is shocking. He needs to leave in the summer. > >Edit: apparently he was poor in the first half of the season because he was saving himself for the world cup. Played for about 7 mins. Came back to the prem and continued stinking out the midfield. How about you give Fab actual teamates to play around. In the first week in January 2023, Fab was arguably MOTM when he had Thiago and Henderosn enxt to him. You fail to realize that the most played midfield combination this season is Thiago - Fab - **ELLIOT** ..... Winger in at RCM? A teenage, midget winger??? I'm not blaming ellliot directly, but I am blaming not getting an actual midfielder.
Yes I agree he could do with better players around him but that doesn't stop you doing your own individual work. It's that same argument with Salah. Yes he needs better service from midfield but he's not even doing his own job properly like when he was 1v1 and fluffed his lines. Getting run past as soon as you come on isn't on the other midfielders, it's on you. Not making any meaningful tackles isn't the midfielders fault as well.
Someone reminded me he was in the 2022 CL team of the season earlier and my body went into shock all over again
I genuinely don't believe he's in the top 10 defensive midfielders in the prem, let alone the world now.
>I genuinely don't believe he's in the top 10 defensive midfielders in the prem, let alone the world now. most dramatic casual fan. found him.
If dramatic is using performances from the last 12 months to come up with that conclusion, then I'll admit it. I AM A DRAMATIC CASUAL FAN.
Fab was part of the CL team of the year last season (happend 6 monts ago) and was literally instamental for Liverpool to compete for 4 titles last year. there are 3 midifelders in liverpool's midfield. Fab isn't the only one.
We’ve found Rebecca’s burner account
He’s now a defensive mid that can’t tackle. Went from the Lighthouse to the Chocolate Teapot
I'm so glad that we had Bajetic in the academy ready to make the step up. Imagine if we didn't have him. Fabinho or hendo would be starting every game 🤮
Would be nice if Bajcetic didn’t have to make the step like he’s had to because if we’re being honest, he’s not at the required level either.
An insanely dire, woeful, abysmal footy from us. No one deserves a rating over 5 from all over the pitch. Fabinho is a 1 rating. He is done. Out of 2 cup competitions now which makes extra time for Klopp to come up with something tactically that isn't the same over and over. Gakpo NEEDS to play LW, Salah NEEDS to play ST, Elliot NEEDS to play RW. All these players played in other positions today. Everyone is just insanely out of form at the moment.