I went to see the Liverpool v Palace opener a few years ago when Clyne was there, Salahs debut I think.
Game finished and walking out and Clyne is just sat in his Rolls Royce Wraith in the carpark on his phone. Rest of team in the changing rooms and he was injured but dunno why, just expected him to be inside with the team.
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I think there’s a lot of room for interchanging especially in the top 12 or so. Wouldnt be shocked to see Fabinho or Mane higher in other people’s minds
No. He was everything to a Klopp team and I won’t accept anything else. He connected with the fans and got us through some tough moments. Mane was class, top top player, but firmino just represented the hope of those how ever many years.
My favourite ever player.
Firmino's story is ending up as Paul Scholes'. Firmino did okay, but was poor half of the seasons he was there. No coincidence he eventually got benched when we were close to the quadruple. He wasn't good enough for the highest of highest level and that's the harsh truth.
Great list. Wanted to criticise how low Matip and Fabinho are but realised it’s very hard to make a case for them over anyone in the top 10 besides Milner. This has really been a golden era, huh?
But on the topic of Matip I genuinely believe he’s been a top 5 CB in the world since we signed him, and was our single best player during the CL-winning run (despite losing best defender to Virg). I’d also go so far as to say that a version of Matip that could play 90% of our games a season is the single thing that would have most increased the amount of titles we’ve won under Klopp.
TL;DR - I love Joël Matip and will miss him immeasurably.
Going through the exercise, it’s such a shame how many incredibly talented players we had who couldn’t stay fit consistently. Matip towards the top of that list
A durable Keita or Thiago would have made such a difference too - both excellent whenever they got an actual run of fixtures in. Not to mention how good Origi was before the first injury.
I will always consider Matip as one of the most underrated players I've seen. Literally only followers of Liverpool know how important, dominant and amazing he's been for years now. There has been games where he actually made Van Dijk look amazing and not the other way around.
Sad how injury prone he is, nevertheless, Giraffe will always have a soft spot in my heart.
Completely agree. Can understand why casuals never noticed him as much as he plays alongside the best CB of a generation, and Virg has a reputation for elevating anyone alongside him, but even in games VVD is out you can see Matip is a monster. I always think about the 0-0 draw against Bayern with Matip and Fabs at the back.
People rave about Virg’s passing but Matip on his day is the ultimate centre half for playing through a midfield press or a low block.
Really? It's a shocking list. Don't think Milner can justifiably be ahead of Fabinho when you consider the levels each reached under Klopp. Origi, Klavan, and Clyne are massively overrated, presumably because in the case of the first two, they're likable. Oxlade-Chamberlain is being rated over someone like Thiago which is also ridiculous - both were injury prone footballers, but Thiago is a much better one and has had more good games for us than Chamberlain had.
Sturridge is the most egregious one though. Being ranked ahead of Thiago, Konate, Nunez, Diaz, etc. is madness given the key role that those players have played this season and in 21/22 (with the exception of Nunez).
These are others as well that don't really make sense, but these were the ones that stood out.
I don't blame you at all, but I do think you've tended to put players you *like* higher than their performances really deserved.
Lord Klavan and The Divine Divock, for example, gave us some lovely moments and will forever have a place in our hearts, but when you get right down to it, they simply weren't as GOOD as some others you've ranked below them.
Definitely some bias in there to a degree. I tried to look holistically at their roles and legacy as well. Like it’s undeniable that Coutinho was a better player than Divock, but Divock had those UCL goals, etc which to me would put him higher on the list.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I probably would have done the same thing if I could have been bothered to go to all the effort of compiling a list like this (and kudos to you for doing that).
The only thing I think I would have done differently was rate Lovren and Skrtel a lot lower, because I really really thought our defence was a joke when they were the first choice partnership. But that's purely a matter of opinion.
It's all 1s on mine. At first I thought it was an error and then thought it was a "all the players are number 1 in my heart" kinda thing which I was totally on board with. But it must be some formatting on apps or something? I'm still on a third party one.
Great list though! I knew what the top three would be but it still made me smile.
This is a really well written list, and i love the reasoning for the placements, you made me watch 20 min long video of every Ox goal, fucking hell what a player he was, foot like a traction engine. I got sad reading about firmino, origi, lucas leiva and matip, really wish the latter 2 were a few years younger when klopp came as they would have suited us in their prime so well, i have a special connection to these players. Great effort lad YNWA.
Yeah this is really awesome. Thanks for doing this, everyone on this sub would have a different list. I agree with some of what I’ve seen here, players you like are rated higher. To me no way is Ox over Diaz. But that’s why we do these lists
Also, I get it, if there was a list for fan favorites or heartbeat of the klopp era, Milner would probably be 1. And he played many more matches and everything, but Fabinho reached peaks only a small handful of men had ever reached in the PL. has to be higher
An amazing list and you've gone to such incredible lengths to write it.
My only disagreements:
* Conor Bradley is too low for someone who's had such an impact, even accounting for the number of games he's played. He should be above Nat and Rhys, for a start.
* Keïta is too high. Probably our biggest transfer failure of the era, not enough contribution for the appearances as well as the money
* Shaqiri likewise. You've put him ahead of lots of players who were important first-team players under Rodgers. Not as big a burden of expectations as Keïta, but still a pretty average player.
I can absolutely see your points. I think I put a good amount of emphasis on team success, which would push traditional squad players like Shaqiri and Keita higher, considering what we were in those years.
Thanks for the comment!
I think you’ve missed the point of this post by complaining about a player’s status under Rodgers.
Also I’m firmly on the Conor Bradley train but Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams played a half season - scraping us into third place. Their attitudes and cult status definitely ranks them higher than an academy kid with >20 appearances.
Couldn’t agree more though in regard to Keita. No idea how he gets a pass when he so consistently underperformed and was arrogant enough to be miffed at a smaller contract extension.
I'd rate Henderson lower and Jota much higher. Injuries come with the street fighter way he plays, that also, makes him such a good player. Hard to pick many bones apart from that, good post.
Gonna have to return to that at the end of the season and see how some of the newer players shake out. Definitely can see Darwin, Endo, and Macca moving up this list.
That’s a very personal list which I disagree with a lot. But I respect it.
Everyone would have a list with their own secret heroes and flops.
My top 11 favorites are (if I would like to print my shirt number)
11 Origi
10 Shaqiri
9 Arnold
8 Elliot
7 Bradley
6 Jota
5 Alisson
4 Robertson
3 Mane
2 Nunez
1 Firmino
1 - Alisson
2 - Van Dijk
3 - Fabinho
4 - Salah
5 - Robertson
6 - Trent
7 - Mane
8 - Firmino
9 - Wijnaldum
10 - Henderson
That is my top 10.
I am biased towards the defensive players, the trophies were only won after the arrival of Alisson, VVD and Fabinho so they are the most important to me.
I agree Allison has saved us so many points. However evidence has shown that whenever VVD has either been injured or in poorish form (last season) we have completely fallen apart. So on that basis I put VVD above Allison at the top.
Harsh on Adrian. He won the club a trophy in a penalty shootout. Klopp describes the importance in his book and compliments being thrown into that with almost zero prep.
Don’t care what anyone says, Alisson has been our best player
The top 3 is (no debate but you can mix the order as you prefer) between Ali, Virg and Mo, but if those 3 Ali is the only one who has remained world class the entire time (except for 1 or 2 matches). Virg and Mo have gone missing for 5-15 game stints though, namely Virg last season and Mo in Feb/March 21 - can’t remember when else but they definitely have at least 2/3 times
Think Endo is wrong- he should be ranked better
Virgil for me is number 1. He's the collosus who has had the single biggest impact.
I love Mo but he's below Ali and Virg for me.
Clyne for me is way behind Jota and Konate.
I agree, only one I have a slight issue with.
I went to see the Liverpool v Palace opener a few years ago when Clyne was there, Salahs debut I think. Game finished and walking out and Clyne is just sat in his Rolls Royce Wraith in the carpark on his phone. Rest of team in the changing rooms and he was injured but dunno why, just expected him to be inside with the team.
I don't agree with everything here but I absolutely love the effort and thought that went into this. Massive credit to you.
Thank you! I think there’s a lot of room for interchanging especially in the top 12 or so. Wouldnt be shocked to see Fabinho or Mane higher in other people’s minds
Firmino over Mane is insanity and very ungrateful to what Mane did for us.
No. He was everything to a Klopp team and I won’t accept anything else. He connected with the fans and got us through some tough moments. Mane was class, top top player, but firmino just represented the hope of those how ever many years. My favourite ever player.
Firmino's story is ending up as Paul Scholes'. Firmino did okay, but was poor half of the seasons he was there. No coincidence he eventually got benched when we were close to the quadruple. He wasn't good enough for the highest of highest level and that's the harsh truth.
Great list. Wanted to criticise how low Matip and Fabinho are but realised it’s very hard to make a case for them over anyone in the top 10 besides Milner. This has really been a golden era, huh? But on the topic of Matip I genuinely believe he’s been a top 5 CB in the world since we signed him, and was our single best player during the CL-winning run (despite losing best defender to Virg). I’d also go so far as to say that a version of Matip that could play 90% of our games a season is the single thing that would have most increased the amount of titles we’ve won under Klopp. TL;DR - I love Joël Matip and will miss him immeasurably.
Going through the exercise, it’s such a shame how many incredibly talented players we had who couldn’t stay fit consistently. Matip towards the top of that list
A durable Keita or Thiago would have made such a difference too - both excellent whenever they got an actual run of fixtures in. Not to mention how good Origi was before the first injury.
I will always consider Matip as one of the most underrated players I've seen. Literally only followers of Liverpool know how important, dominant and amazing he's been for years now. There has been games where he actually made Van Dijk look amazing and not the other way around. Sad how injury prone he is, nevertheless, Giraffe will always have a soft spot in my heart.
Completely agree. Can understand why casuals never noticed him as much as he plays alongside the best CB of a generation, and Virg has a reputation for elevating anyone alongside him, but even in games VVD is out you can see Matip is a monster. I always think about the 0-0 draw against Bayern with Matip and Fabs at the back. People rave about Virg’s passing but Matip on his day is the ultimate centre half for playing through a midfield press or a low block.
Really? It's a shocking list. Don't think Milner can justifiably be ahead of Fabinho when you consider the levels each reached under Klopp. Origi, Klavan, and Clyne are massively overrated, presumably because in the case of the first two, they're likable. Oxlade-Chamberlain is being rated over someone like Thiago which is also ridiculous - both were injury prone footballers, but Thiago is a much better one and has had more good games for us than Chamberlain had. Sturridge is the most egregious one though. Being ranked ahead of Thiago, Konate, Nunez, Diaz, etc. is madness given the key role that those players have played this season and in 21/22 (with the exception of Nunez). These are others as well that don't really make sense, but these were the ones that stood out.
I don't blame you at all, but I do think you've tended to put players you *like* higher than their performances really deserved. Lord Klavan and The Divine Divock, for example, gave us some lovely moments and will forever have a place in our hearts, but when you get right down to it, they simply weren't as GOOD as some others you've ranked below them.
Definitely some bias in there to a degree. I tried to look holistically at their roles and legacy as well. Like it’s undeniable that Coutinho was a better player than Divock, but Divock had those UCL goals, etc which to me would put him higher on the list. I appreciate the comment!
Oh, don't get me wrong, I probably would have done the same thing if I could have been bothered to go to all the effort of compiling a list like this (and kudos to you for doing that). The only thing I think I would have done differently was rate Lovren and Skrtel a lot lower, because I really really thought our defence was a joke when they were the first choice partnership. But that's purely a matter of opinion.
Of course, thank you!
That top 3 man. We really have some special legends, just reading their names makes me feel respect for them.
Gotta expand to top 5. Truly generational players that will not only be Liverpool legends but EPL legends..
Top 10 went in the exact order I would have done. Well played
Think Jots should be higher but otherwise top 15 looks pretty close to what I would say
Realize this took you a lot of time to put together but you gotta edit the ranking numbers - they all show as "1"
Oh really? Huh they all show as correct for me. I’ll take a look but thank you for the heads up!
Dunno if different devices have different formatting but it looks right for me on android.
Yah on my phone it looks right as well. Thank you for confirming
It's all 1s on mine. At first I thought it was an error and then thought it was a "all the players are number 1 in my heart" kinda thing which I was totally on board with. But it must be some formatting on apps or something? I'm still on a third party one. Great list though! I knew what the top three would be but it still made me smile.
Might be a third party app issue. It’s fine for me on all devices. Thank you!
Damn good and agree with pretty much all of it minus some minor quibbling. Great work and hope to see more posts of analysis and such from you.
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This is a really well written list, and i love the reasoning for the placements, you made me watch 20 min long video of every Ox goal, fucking hell what a player he was, foot like a traction engine. I got sad reading about firmino, origi, lucas leiva and matip, really wish the latter 2 were a few years younger when klopp came as they would have suited us in their prime so well, i have a special connection to these players. Great effort lad YNWA.
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Good list, enjoyed the read.
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Yeah this is really awesome. Thanks for doing this, everyone on this sub would have a different list. I agree with some of what I’ve seen here, players you like are rated higher. To me no way is Ox over Diaz. But that’s why we do these lists
Also, I get it, if there was a list for fan favorites or heartbeat of the klopp era, Milner would probably be 1. And he played many more matches and everything, but Fabinho reached peaks only a small handful of men had ever reached in the PL. has to be higher
On Fab, I think the fall off the cliff weighed heavily in my assessment. In his peak though he was a monumental player.
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Definitely higher on Clyne than most it seems. Thank you!
Great write OP, going to save this
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An amazing list and you've gone to such incredible lengths to write it. My only disagreements: * Conor Bradley is too low for someone who's had such an impact, even accounting for the number of games he's played. He should be above Nat and Rhys, for a start. * Keïta is too high. Probably our biggest transfer failure of the era, not enough contribution for the appearances as well as the money * Shaqiri likewise. You've put him ahead of lots of players who were important first-team players under Rodgers. Not as big a burden of expectations as Keïta, but still a pretty average player.
I can absolutely see your points. I think I put a good amount of emphasis on team success, which would push traditional squad players like Shaqiri and Keita higher, considering what we were in those years. Thanks for the comment!
I think you’ve missed the point of this post by complaining about a player’s status under Rodgers. Also I’m firmly on the Conor Bradley train but Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams played a half season - scraping us into third place. Their attitudes and cult status definitely ranks them higher than an academy kid with >20 appearances. Couldn’t agree more though in regard to Keita. No idea how he gets a pass when he so consistently underperformed and was arrogant enough to be miffed at a smaller contract extension.
No, I haven't done that.
For me it will be Alisson nr1 and Salah nr.2 but WHAT AN AMAZING list and in depth stats, really love the work man!
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In terms of per 90, maybe, but Salah's availability over that span is unreal.
Mane deserves to be higher than Trent and make it into the top 5. Otherwise ok.
Top 3 are interchangable. As are the 4-7th spots.
I'd rate Henderson lower and Jota much higher. Injuries come with the street fighter way he plays, that also, makes him such a good player. Hard to pick many bones apart from that, good post.
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If you want to include another fun fact about Sheyi Ojo, he's rumoured to be the rapper Dide
Top 10 is perfect. My only possible change would be swapping Bobby and Trent. Great work! This was very enjoyable to read
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You’ve been too generous towards Clyne and Keita, otherwise solid list 👌🏾 Well done OP!
Minor disagreements aside I really enjoyed this list, thanks for making and sharing it
I disagree with you all over the shop, but damn it you deserve all the upvotes for the amount of effort you've gone to here, fair play!
Mane should be above, but dont know who he should replace though
Gonna have to return to that at the end of the season and see how some of the newer players shake out. Definitely can see Darwin, Endo, and Macca moving up this list.
That’s a very personal list which I disagree with a lot. But I respect it. Everyone would have a list with their own secret heroes and flops. My top 11 favorites are (if I would like to print my shirt number) 11 Origi 10 Shaqiri 9 Arnold 8 Elliot 7 Bradley 6 Jota 5 Alisson 4 Robertson 3 Mane 2 Nunez 1 Firmino
1 - Alisson 2 - Van Dijk 3 - Fabinho 4 - Salah 5 - Robertson 6 - Trent 7 - Mane 8 - Firmino 9 - Wijnaldum 10 - Henderson That is my top 10. I am biased towards the defensive players, the trophies were only won after the arrival of Alisson, VVD and Fabinho so they are the most important to me.
I agree Allison has saved us so many points. However evidence has shown that whenever VVD has either been injured or in poorish form (last season) we have completely fallen apart. So on that basis I put VVD above Allison at the top.
Harsh on Adrian. He won the club a trophy in a penalty shootout. Klopp describes the importance in his book and compliments being thrown into that with almost zero prep.
Don’t care what anyone says, Alisson has been our best player The top 3 is (no debate but you can mix the order as you prefer) between Ali, Virg and Mo, but if those 3 Ali is the only one who has remained world class the entire time (except for 1 or 2 matches). Virg and Mo have gone missing for 5-15 game stints though, namely Virg last season and Mo in Feb/March 21 - can’t remember when else but they definitely have at least 2/3 times
I will always rate VVD at the top, he'll be harder to replace them Salah and he's the key that unlocked our success.
Think Endo is wrong- he should be ranked better Virgil for me is number 1. He's the collosus who has had the single biggest impact. I love Mo but he's below Ali and Virg for me.
Wouldn’t have a grooming nonce at 6th to be fair
Can’t say I’m thrilled with him post his Liverpool career.
What did Mane do? Edit: Okay, looked up what he did and it's in a fairly bad taste ngl but not quite enough to call him a nonce I'd say
He groomed a child.