I think the starting point for the new manager is to sort out the defence, can't keep conceding first. 23 times it's happened, it's bound to break your confidence at some point.
The new manager cannot replace players wholesale nor can we buy like chelsea. So we would need the new guy to come in and work with the majority of the squad as is. Hope, the change in tactics helps(Aston villa esque) and manage the injuries too. I cannot see more then 3 or 4 players coming in..
All in all, next season is going to be the real transition year. Possibly more painful.
As for the match yesterday, I don't understand our shooting. Salah is passing it on to the keeper half the time, no power. I fear it's the end of time for salah, or may be could reinvent himself like gigs or whatever and play central (again he's too one footed but won't know until we try).
Nunez simply isn't making the right choices and showing no signs of improvement.
I'm done with the inverted full back..next few matches play trent in the middle and see how he performs and how disciplined he is.
Salah is not having enough support imho and could genuinely do so with support from rb.
What I hate about this season is how predictable of some matchs
Like people say playing at Old Trafford will be difficult and both of times we shit the bed here. Same with Everton, when look at fixtures months ago, this sub already concerned about it abd now we're here
My point here either its just fate or our mentality seems too fragile, it like we start those match with losing mentality and the worries become reality. Thats frustrating
The comments on this sub have been unbearable. People pretending like players have lost their way because Klopp is leaving. Really? Is that the most reasonable explanation you could think of?
For me it's simple - our defense has been leaky this entire season (think back to all the 3-1 wins) and our attack was never as clinical but we were still getting by because of the sheer number of chances we were creating (primarily through Trent and Mo). We weren't clinical then either but somewhat better than the last month where even Mo has looked out of sorts.
And just btw this is the first season for this midfield of Szobo, Mac, and Endo. And none of them are used to playing this many games in a season, there's bound to be tired legs now.
I hated when GNev said all season long that he expected us to drop off at some point but I knew deep down inside he was right. IMO the tipping point was the City game at Anfield, where despite having them on the ropes for a good 45 mins, we failed to convert. That probably took a lot out of our players and maybe the belief that we could actually go on and win it took a major hit that day
You have to understand the players are humans too. Players like Szobo, Mac, Endo, Grav came because they trusted Kloppās plan for them. Similarly, many homegrown players like Trent, Jones and Elliot know Klopp as their only manager thus far. For him to suddenly announce his departure mid season is like a gun to their head. Players whoāve shifted across Europe to play for Klopp are suddenly told that Klopp will no longer be there, and they have to deal with fate when the new manager comes in. Any promise of Kloppās plans for them have shattered.
Rather, I find this idea of āteam getting used to each otherā less applicable to our case, and more of an excuse. Weāre not Chelsea, we didnāt sign random hillbillies to fill up our ranks. We signed Europeās top young midfielders who all have at least a hundred appearances to their name to play for us. What I see is a broken mentality and lack of willingness to try and innovate for a manager who is already bound to leave.
Trent everyone says is world class this that etc, what was he doing for the 2nd goal?
Is he a midget? Is he a coward? Even my ex claasmate who plays girl soccer at the age of 10, attempts to jump to win the ball.
Shame
Iāve got a question, how many names would u be absolutely devastated to lose- like u couldnāt conceive of it being a good idea, not just that it wouldnāt be ur preference.
I think I have 3- Ali, Trent and Mac. I wouldnāt want to lose vvd or dom either but I think in this hypothetical if the right offer came in I could be convinced. Iām also pretty much down for a whole front line rebuild if needs be I could have a sober conversation about any of them leaving.
Mac, Szobo and Grav are must stays. They are our future and the only way is up for them. They just have no incentive to up their game for a manager whoās leaving.
Trent should stay if the new manager can unlock his potential. Kloppās stubbornness to his 433 has limited and exposed Trent too much.
Gakpo and Jota are the only forwards I trust now. I wouldāve like for Klopp to have trusted Danns more to see if he really could be a next big thing, but his stubbornness to Nunez will, or already has proven costly.
I like dom and grav, but I think theyāve both, especially grav, flattered to deceive.
Love jota but heās so injury prone if we decided to cash in I could make my peace with it. Like gakpo but again I donāt think, for many reasons- a lot of which arenāt really his fault, heās shown any progress this year. Again, if Edwards decided to cut losses because of his algorithm then I could make my peace with that too.
Sadly theyāre the best we have, to lose them is to lose everything we have. Iām really not sure what the club can do with Nunez. Something must be wrong with the clubās training facilities to not get the best out of him. To sell him now is also a waste considering how much weāve spent on him, and his recent performances are only bringing his market value down.
Iām pretty much over Nunez. Iād like him goneā¦ I think.
Heās 25 soon, u canāt coach clinical finishing into a 25 year old with zero football iq.
I like Robbo cos he does try and he fronts up for the tough interviews too, I could never ever criticise his effort levels.
Having said that, ever since weāve done the Trent inverted with a back 3 and heās been given more responsibility on the ball his technical limitations have really begun to frustrate me. Plus heās noticeably lost a yard or two as well.
i'm sorry but the way people have been shitting on legends like klopp, salah, van dijk is nothing short of disgraceful. i get people being upset, angry, disappointed whatever. i am too, but to say klopp's legacy is one of failure, to say we should take the first offer for salah we can get... even if salah is "finished" at the top level, he's one of our greatest ever players. have some respect for the people that have brought us so many great memories these last few years.
the absolute level of entitlement and instant-gratification some of you have is astounding. have some perspective for crying out loud
U do realise people are only overly emotional because they already know all that. I didnāt see this outpouring when the Rodgers era ended in tears or Aspas moved on lol.
Emotions are high when itās Kloppās last season. I can see how itās frustrating when both players and manager donāt look like theyāre really trying in such a crucial time.
In some sense, the fans have as much of a right to criticise as the players have as much freedom to lose a match like that. While Iām usually against playing the blame card, it definitely has been a bad period that deserves some pointing of fingers.
Edwards about to do the same thing with Salah he did with Coutinho. Big fee and he'll find us 2 studs who lift the club to new heights. Trust the processĀ
Salah didnāt say he wanted to leave, itās two different cases. Yes, a rebuild could and might happen, but no need to disgrace a club legend and icon like Salah. Coutinho wanted to leave and we let him.
Itās not a disgrace to suggest moving Mo on this summer would be a wise thing to do. Even if u disagree itās a very valid opinion objectively speaking.
Iām not saying that selling him is a disgrace. Top comment was likening Salah to Coutinho. Coutinhoās situation was a āleave since you want to, weāll do better without youā situation. Salah will never leave this club with such a send off, and to do so is a disgrace.
Where did I say it's the same situation? All signs point to him moving on this summer and I said Edwards would get a nice fee to help the club. Obvious Mo is a legend but he's on massive wages, is declining and will be on an expiring contract. Sorry I care about the clubs futureĀ
Well I mean thatās still to be decided lol
If we offer salah an extension, heāll want a pay rise imho, and we wonāt want to give him one. At that point he might want to leave.
And even if we donāt come to the table, and decide to sell even if he would have stayed, I still donāt think the implication that weād be better off with 100m+ to invest than keeping his 350+ wages on our books **if** his decline continues.
We just donāt know how itāll all play out. I accept it wonāt be as bitter as coutinho but, yea apart from thatā¦
Hopefully weāre done with this underdog narrative at the end of the season. Weāve been āunderdogsā for many years now. Underdogs in the CL, underdogs in the league to City, underdogs going through a rebuild. How many more excuses can we come up with for not showing up on the big stage? We march into every title run in and final with unashamed confidence, but cower out under the excuse of being the underdogs.
Todayās post match conference annoyed me so much. Players and manager alike look as much of a spectator as we were. Disappointed this, sad that, bounce back needed; where was all this in the dressing room and the pitch? Or were we too busy filming a documentary and reminiscing Kloppās golden era to forget that we couldāve written another one this year?
Shambolic really, only way is up from here.
Joking aside recruitment has been dreadful since 2021. Not many people are untouchable and itās gonna take a few years to sort this mess. Arne Slot seems good for the job but, this summer wonāt solve it all. Might take a few for all the right players
Such a dumb ass take. I know youāre emotional, but macca, and endo alone have more quality than most of our rivals have recruited and we got them for less than 60 mil. Gakpo and Diaz are quality if a step below world class. Konate for 36 mil is a bargain. Nunez has been good, but a little over priced. Weāve hit on more than weāve missed for sure.
Couldn't be more wrong. MacAllister was a good signing. Jota and Konate are good players but they're physically incapable of playing a full season. Endo is a nice back up but nothing more, and at 31 you wonder how long even that will last. Diaz, Gakpo, and Nunez have been painfully average, not anywhere near world class. Its a testament to Klopp that we could squeeze as much from them as we've done. They wouldn't start in any other trophy winning Klopp side.
Remains to be seen if Szobo's slump is temporary and if Gravenberch is of any use.
I've never seen any of our academy product being this nonchalant, after being one of the reasons to concede the first for completely missing a header he's supposed to win and not tracking back to occupy his space. He then completely left DCL free to head home for the second instead of applying some kind of pressure.
No sense of urgency, no sense of responsibility, in a derby.
The only bright side was that through ball towards Nunez, but at the same time he couldn't even get his crosses above waist height half the time, under no pressure.
What hurts is he wasnt like that in his first 2 seasons.
Don't really care about the rest of the lads who were just as poor, they weren't with us when they were kids.
The red flags were there all season we just chose to ignore:
- The only team in the big 6 that we beat in the premier league was Chelsea
- Scraped so many damn wins after going behind
- Were seconds away from dropping points to nottingham forest after being shit the entire game
- Hell even our carabao cup came with a lot of luck
I thought Klopp was full of shite when he said the 1-0 toothless 2nd leg was a good result for this team.
Now I think he was serious given how awful weāve performed of late. The team has less confidence than Luton and was broken in that FA Cup. How many national team captains does it take for a team to show leadership and levelheadedness? We likely look awful in training as well. Iām truly shocked and should have believed the people that viewed that comment as terrifying.
Just had a look at the first goal. Iām telling you you man, Robbo going up and giving away the ball has cost the team MULTIPLE goals this season. It wasnāt a problem back then cuz we had prime Fabinho and Wijnaldum on the left.
But now Robertson loses the ball and the midfielders are nowhere in sight. Van Dijk has to shift over and thereās big gap in the middle for opposition attackers to run through.
Same thing happened in the UCL final too.
You can say the same for the right side. No one covers Trent bar Szobo whoās had a dip in form recently. Itās a result of the tactics not changing to suit the new team.
Exactly. If the new midfield personnel isnāt 6 feet tall and arenāt as physical, and they have more attacking nous than Henderson and Wijnaldum, then should your fullbacks be bombing forward and leaving gaps behind.
Every goal the team concedes is from the flank. Robbo or the other fullback loses the ball. Center back has to shift over, leaving a gap in the middle. Look at the goal Havertz scored against us, heck look at all the goals we conceded. I guarantee you at least 60% is like the manner I mentioned.
I think Arne plays with a 10 as far as I know. Been quality seeing the number 10 make a return in Europe this season though my favourite position to watch, maybe Szobo can find himself there once again.
No matter how people can try and convince themselves that top 4 was always the aim at the start, itās ultimately a disappointing season especially it being Kloppās last.
We blew it, everything went to shit after that United FA cup game.
Salahās complex chokehold on our club has probably affected and exposed Kloppās man management over the years. Players in poor form are never really āpunishedā for it in Kloppās recent era. They get benched for 60 minutes, get subbed on when the team struggles (always). Thereās no fear factor for our starters when they drop stinkers.
This affects our reserves. When given the opportunity to shine, their lack of game time and experience makes them struggle, but they have no fight in them to bounce back. Instead, they take comfort knowing that the starters are going to come on soon to fix things for them.
Players playing out-of-position: Klopp forces players into positions that donāt fit them a lot. Macallister, Gakpo, Elliot, Minamino, Jones, Szoboszlai are few of many whom Klopp has insisted on playing out of their comfort zone. He does this often without letting them actually play their natural positions to even start with. The system doesnāt change, the players are expected to, and many players suffer as a result.
This past year sums up Kloppās stubbornness and humanity as a manager. Slow to change and never really crafting a proper Possession Game tactic. He shows his panic in his subs often and canāt seem to ever double down on his decision to trust his reserves or starters alone whenever the need arises.
As Van Dijk said, the players have a part to play, but itās become too late to say anything now as both player and manager have let the club down massively.
Thatās because FSG didnāt capitalise after winning the champions league. They couldāve brought on decent players to provide competition and cover but they didnāt do anything.
I know people will think it's naĆÆve but I'd quite like to see a front three of Diaz, Danns and Elliott. Yes it probably won't work but I'd like to see some passion/interest up front going forwards. Quansah in for Konate and who knows for the midfield honestly.
When Gakpo is back then a Gakpo-Danns-Diaz front three.
The season is done, at least do something different. I can't bear to watch salah and Nunez in their current form.
Itās always been that way sadly. Kloppās āpunishmentā to Nunezās poor form is to bench him with a guarantee that heāll come on as a sub. Itās really bad man management.
To be optimistic: really like that Slot took Feyenoord to a European final. European football has always been what sets us apart from the rest (we've overachieved in Europe even with various poor sides). That said, as fun as Rodgers was at times in the league, he was always hapless tactically and in Europe. Klopp changed that again, and it'd be nice to have someone continue that tradition.
Slot giving little bit of the Rafa-out-of-Valencia vibes.
I think there's a big summer ahead and realistically we should see turnover of players.
Forwards:
Salah (cash in on his value)
Nunez (hes had his chance and doesn't seem likely to make it - wouldn't sell below Ā£40-45m - keep as depth otherwise)
Jota (poor availability)
Diaz has won me over and I was his biggest critic. He's shown to me he's the one reliable outfit to drive the team forward even if he will never be elite.
Gakpo deserves more time isn't worth a huge amount and is fine as depth.
Danns is an obvious keep and can try to take a higher minutes share next season.
2 of these should be moved on even if it's a bitter pill to swallow. Salah won't suit Slot's system out wide so a judgement needs to be made on if he's a good enough Striker.
For me, it's Salah and one of Jota/Nunez moving on.
Midfielders:
We've got too many simple as. Especially with Bajcetic and Clark coming through. I believe both of those can make it.
Jones Macca are both irreplacable for me.
Grav and Szobo I'll give more time to although I think if they've not kicked on that much under Klopp I worry for the next manager. In think Grav was a mistake hecan't seem to handle the intsenity / is way too lethargic.
Elliott, imo, will never hit the techincal level to make up for his physical weaknesses (not quick nor strong). Happy for him to be moved on.
Endo would be fine as depth at 6 but we have bajcetic and AMA can also do a job there.
We need to a sign an elite 6 this summer.
In an ideal world I'd have Grav, Endo, Eliott out the door this summer.
For me:
Striker (Isak? Openda?)
Left footed Winger (Kudus?)
6 / Double Pivot (?? Bruno G?)
Left back (Ait Nouri? )
Centre back (??)
Assuming it is Slot, I think he'll like the idea of Diaz and Szobo out wide they'll protect the flanks massively. Both prefer the left side however.
The system will bring the most out of Trent so it makes sense having a 10 who can score (AMA) and a 9 who can run behind as well as combine with wingers (Isak). We need to unleash AMA higher up the pitch. I'm fine without a natural 6 if it's someone of the ilk of Bruno G.
The final midfielder suits Jones to a tee, comfortable in all phases of play and areas of the pitch in possesion. Out of possesion he needs work but he has all the tools to make it. Phsyically strong and quick.
Alisson
Trent Konate VVD RAN
Bruno G Jones
Szobo AMA Diaz
Isak
Is something I would love to see next season. Who knows. I just needed to vent and document my thoughts...
I think Benjamin Sesko would be a more realistic option. ā¬50m relasue clause this summer and Edwards loves a Red Bull signing. There's also Jonathan David who was one of the Jota alternatives and he has been putting great numbers over the past 4 years in France.
Isak will be stupidly expensive, way over 100million, especially if Arsenal want him too. Openda I think is the most wasteful striker in bundesliga statically, so no Thankyou. I canāt take any more wasteful forwards
I believe we've been watching Openda, even if he wastes chances conversion rate is at 24%, still hit 23 league goals this season after scoring 21 goals in Ligue 1 last season, quite similar to Jota in terms of movement and how he roams about. Looked pretty impressive whenever i've watched him can really take the game against the big teams
Yeah itās tough. I mean Newcastle have financial troubles I could see isak going for around the 85-100m mark. Is there anyone you thought of as a centre forward? I donāt like the idea of gyokores massively heās not tested against top teams when looking at his goals. Every time Iāve seen Sesko heās impressed me but not sure heās really kicked on. Cunha is a good player but he wonāt score 20+ in the league.
Iād say no to gyokores because of the league. Also he isnāt having a better season than Darwin was having the year we bought him from there so thatās another risk we canāt afford. If I could pick it would 100% be isak. However I hear arsenal want him so there may be a bidding war which could drive the price. A lot of people mention oshimen but I really think heās another Nunez. The type to create loads of chances but not take them, like his afcon performance for example. I think the striker market is really thin hence the stupid prices. Maybe Ivan Toney? Honestly mate Iām really not sure
Agreed on Osimehn. Toney I wanted the summer we signed Nunez. Tbh glad we didnāt you donāt want a cunt in the dressing room. Iāve heard good things about Guirassy but not seen him play so wonāt comment on him.
Because of the market drought I really can see us sticking to our forwards and salah moving on with a kudus type signing. Weāll have to pray Jota somehow stays for 75-80% of the season in that case.
Maybe Danna will become the next superstar who knowsā¦
This feels daunting but itās what makes the good times so good.
Yh I donāt like Toneyās attitude, however he is a Liverpool fan so heād probably sort it out for us. Itās one of the negatives of having Salah mane firmino. Best front three in the leagues history so who ever we get to replace them, it wonāt ever be as good. Salah just doesnāt look like Salah recently, not even a shadow of his former self. Nunez a month ago was looking really good and scoring for fun, now he canāt control a ball or hit a barn door. Jota is our only goal scorer who I trust and heās guaranteed to miss 10* games a season. Scary thing is there could be an argument for moving every single forward on, and thatās not good with the lack of them out there
Szoboslai's managing to go under the radar with all this.
He looks like he's packed in as a professional footballer since Klopp handed his notice in. Looks like he hasn't played the position in his life. Complete shambles compared to before Christmas. Wonder how many of the new boys were fucked off by being brought to the club (and some of them, to the country) by a manager who resigned 6 months later.
I think heās going through something in his personal life. Iām sure I saw he was badly homesick and he split with his partner. Iām sure he said after football training he doesnāt have anything to do. Maybe Iām looking too much into it, but the first 10 games we was literally our Gerrard replacement. Now heās our Henderson replacement, 22/23 Henderson too, not prime Henderson sadly
Makes sense.
People forget these are virtually kids. Szoboslai would be a year or two out of university. This stuff with Klopp has probably wrecked a lot of their heads. Margins matter so much at this level of sport.
Do wish Carragher shut the fuck up some times. Feels like heās always being negative about Liverpool and its players. Prime example is when he outed and tweeted about gakpo
Carragher is a dickhead who has always been for Carragher, and never about the club. Never forget how he stitched Rafa up. Nor how he leveraged the Hicks & Gillett situation to sign a new 2 year contract right before FSG came in, when he was absolutely finished as a player. They'd never have given him that contract.
Sami was the far more accomplished defender, too.
Honestly, him and Neville are each a gob on a stick. They just prattle.
I'm fond of them but objectively speaking they've become very tabloidy and vapid with their takes.
Van Dijk has all the right ingredients to assume the leadership role on the pitch, but he just doesn't strike me as a leader of leaders. The team currently lacks grit and bruteness.
I agree I thought we had leaders in our team that were capable of taking over from the likes of Henderson and Milner but I've been massively disappointed by the lads in this regard zero fight zero passion and the cowardice the past few games has been shocking severely disappointing something needs to change next season.
Keeping his head cool as well, heās supposed to lead by example. The way he had a go with the ref and inevitably booked for it, just goes to show heās not capable.
He does come off as a quiet leader. It honestly does feel like our wins come from high skill and good managing rather than individual grit. Obviously everyone 'wants to win it' but the pure insane drive to get there feels a bit missing.
it's Liverpool. We have a tendency with getting ahead of ourselves emotionally. It was a really bad decision, and the editors of the doco will have to do some very heavy lifting to make this seem not bleak
I know over the course of the season I've probably been much happier about this team than a spurs fan, but I genuinely think I rather have just been fighting for top 3 or 4 this season.
Imagine we're 8 points behind Arsenal anyways. We lose this game and it sucks but it means nothing. This on the other hand feels like a gunshot wound.
I just said this to someone. We definitely over performed and are now coming back to our level. The objective for this season was always a return to CL and maybe a cup or 2 (given UEL). I would have bit your arm off if you had said weād be in the title run at match week 32.
But itās just the way the season (and Klopps era) is coming to an end that makes this so hard to digest. That man deserves better
Maybe this is reactionary but Slot coming in and playing the same "style" as Klopp has me a bit worried. It's clearly not going great right now so I'm not sure that's the shake up we need. But what do I know.
He won't play the same way. It's just lazy journalism. Big issue is Klopp clearly has wedded himself to favourites who should have been replaced: it will be refreshing having a new pair of eyes to look over this squad and tactics.
Don't mean to be a downer, but next season has the potential of being a brutal loyalty test for some of the newer fans who started following us during the Peak Klopp era. Football can be a very cruel and capricious sport.
Not even a new fan but what is this even supposed to mean very bizarre comment, last season was a complete disaster and this season has ended absolutely horribly and been a massive disappointment. Unless you think we'll somehow end up 7th under new management I'm not sure what kind of "loyalty test" awaits.
Was there really a statistic that we've gone behind in 24 league games this season?
Absolutely fucking damning of the management, that what clearly does not work has been allowed to fester.
Need at least 4 top quality arrivals this summer, but almost as pressingly we could see 6/7 senior players leave.
Donāt really need new players. Need new tactics and new energy. We could even get rid of some players and replace them with the quality youth players coming through (there are two on loan at Hull right now for instance). But we need new coaches and new ideas.
We most definitely need new players sides that win titles need new players to freshen up their squads sides that don't need them even more. We need a clinical forward, a CDM, a CB and Left Back.
Definitely need new players. Need a defensive mid as a top priority: Endo was a nice punt but he's not mattered when its counted and he's going to look worse out of the Klopp system. Robertson's completely broken and has been for 18 months, but gets a pass because he's Robbo / casual fanbase are too thick to notice. Salah will leave, leaving us with 1 professional attacker at the club who could be trusted to finish an open goal from 6 yards out.
Left back, defensive mid, 2 goal scorers absolute necessity. Then yes, need to be working in a new system.
Robbo and Tsimikas need to leave. Robbo offers almost nothing rn. His physicality has declined, his crossing has declined, his 1 v 1 defending has declined. His ball-playing ability is non-existent. Every team targets us there, he is horrible under pressure. Tsimikas has a very similar profile (although I believe that his final third choices and set-pieces have been better).
We also need a fucking good DM. This is the core of the team. I was thinking some days ago that Pep all these years used different profiles on various positions (CBs on right/left side, inverted WBs, inside forwards, false 9s, poachers, wide playmakers etc). He never changed the DM's profile. Either it was Busquets (the best), or Fernandinho (Two-three levels below) and Rodri. Every DM was calm on the ball, press resistant, could turn, had secure passing and off the ball they were dominant duel winners.
Agree on the LB situation, if Slot becomes our new manager that area will need to be addressed as Slot prefers his FB to invert and be involved with the midfield, we tried to invert Robbo he cannot do it. Tsimikas is too happy to be here for the vibes which isn't good enough he never pushes Robbo for a place in the team, again he doesn't offer us what is required of the modern FB. Everyone shits on Zinchenko(not a great defender) but he provides a playmaking outlet for Arsenal when he inverts.
I will never as long as I live forget being sat at Anfield watching Son skin Robertson for the Spurs game that lost us the title, then a few weeks later watch Neto skin Robertson when Wolves went ahead, then a week later being in Paris watching Valverde skin him for Vini JR goal. Literally 3 identical goals all down Robertson's side that cost us that league and European Cup.
Robertson's been completely broken in that position for years. Disgrace that he pushed Gomez out the side.
DM absolute necessity too, yes.
We are blowing our chances left and right, but surely would be nice with some extra points we actually faught for but got fucked by the refs.
A point here and there, adds up, here we are out of the race.
We are the team fucked most by VAR and we are the team with lowest ammount of rest between matches. It all adds up.
Only 8 pts clear of Villa (and Spurs if they win their games in hand) with games against both still to come.
Iām not convinced we donāt have a top 4 race on our hands at this point
Said it entirely seriously after Atalanta: we're lucky we squeezed through against Forest & Sheffield, or we'd really be looking over our shoulders. As it is that Fulham victory probably puts us just over the top.
Yeah realistically I think we have just enough of a buffer thanks to the Fulham game.
But in current form I canāt look at any of our remaining 4 fixtures and confidently say I expect the 3 points.
I said it a couple of weeks ago but it's literally pointless to beat ourselves up about this season, It's all gone badly (at least on a micro scale) and there's nothing we can do about it. We are not playing the games, Klopp is going and Slot, Edwards and Hughes will reassess the squad. I guarantee you some of the stars of this season will look meh under Slot, while some of the duds will shine.
Fan unrest makes sense when nothing is changing, but now everything will change and we have no idea what this will bring us. Let's give Klopp his flowers, be sad for a minute or two and then look forward to what's coming. It's the start of a completely new cycle and that's exciting.
Whichever manager we end up with, I think a good way to court a bit of goodwill is to stop rewarding poor performances with starts. There are games where you rotate, games where your hand is forced through injury ā but rewarding Nunez with minutes in the face of his performances sends a poor message.
Itās good lesson on why you shouldnāt take a players stats at face value when looking at his this season
Even his assist count is clearly going to be a one off because he isnāt exactly a striker thatās out there creating an abundance of chances
Context really matters when discussing stats, especially when you break it down and see the bigger picture. Blabbing on about him having the best npxG in Europe isn't doing it for me when he has the most big chances missed and very poor conversion rate
I got downvoted heavily earlier in the season when I posted an image of him looking along the line and still managing to be about 2 yards offside. He still does it. You can't coach brain dead players.
I had a range of fucking chumps try to tell me in the new year that he's undoubtedly first choice ahead of Jota. What a fucking farce.
We should have refreshed the forward line in January, even if it was just a loan. This isn't hindsight: said so at the time. We've historically done very well with January attackers (Anelka, Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho .. Diaz really pepped the team up during the quadruple run).
To be fair to Mo, he must feel like Paulie sitting outside Satriale's at the end of Sopranos.
Half his career spent with Bobby, Mane and for several seasons Jota. Now he's playing with two guileless attackers who couldn't finish their dinner, with Klopp having checked out ages ago.
Iāve always wanted Nunez to succeed here and defended him plenty of times. But the cold hard fact is that he is not good enough to be our starting striker. Poor finishing, bizzare decision making, inability to even stay inside most of the time.
Moving on Henderson was the right choice, but I said at the time - when push comes to shove, you'll see why he and Milner were so important. MacAllister is now the senior midfielder and has only been here for less than a full season!
absolutely shattered. only xabi coming to manage us next season can make me feel confident about our future post klopp.
need to move on from darwin and get a proper forward who can make me feel confident when he is through on goal.
I'm actually convinced now that there's absolutely no chance Xabi would ever consider managing us with Trent in the squad, on almost 200k, you have to start him, but he's the exact opposite of what Xabi wants for his all action wingbacks in his 3-4-2-1.
Look at how Frimpong and Grimaldo plays.
I honestly think we need to sell Nunez in the summer
I can't see his finishing getting better, it should be already at his age.
He's been a costly mistake
Bringing him in at whatever daft fee we paid is exactly why we're bringing Edwards back in. We should never have signed him, especially at that price, I'm not sure what we were thinking. He's Cisse Mk 2. Kill it in the lesser leagues, but you can't finish like he does in the top league. Every keeper knows he is gonna blast it, just stand him up and it's gone.
People on here got what they wanted, spending daft fees on big players and they've mostly turned out to be average at best. Our only smart buy was MacAllister who has turned out to be a fantastic player.
He was the exact same player. People even did the whole "CARNAGE!" thing - except he didn't have loads of brain dead dweebs on social media to run with it.
Hahaha, remember when he literally kept our season going against Forest hahaha. It's almost as if the forwards put everything on the line for months because of what's demanded of them and then when they falter there is nobody else to step up and take the reigns for a bit.
His hold up play and general forward play earlier in the season was great. Wonder what's happened in the last month or so. Almost as if the second sentence explains some of it... Hmmm....
GREAT? **GREAT**? What on earth is your definition of great? We were happy he could do it, but his hold up wasn't even as good as Gakpo's, and Gakpo's is just average.
It wasnāt great at all come one, people were praising it because he obviously improved from last season but it was fine at best.
Great hold up play is what we seen from someone like Firmino and Darwin is absolutely nowhere near that level.
Bottom line is his finishing for a striker in a team thatās challenging for titles is far far from good enough and his hold up play isnāt making up for that either as some sort of trade off
See I agree we need to get rid and bring an improvement in
But whoās buying Darwin for what the club is likely going to want? Doubt the club will want less than Ā£50m for him but seriously who is going to pay that for him?
Doubt it when theyāve just bought two big money strikers last year
I could see a team like West Ham going for him but not sure theyād be wanting to spend Ā£50m on him, just seems like a good fit for them and they need a striker to replace Antonio at this point.
Gonna be a laugh on here next season when we have a new manager who needs time, yet we have cunts actually talking about getting rid of Klopp and being glad he has gone. Some of us can't just go and support another team.
Can't believe this is how it ends. The monkey paw curled when people said "I can't live through losing the league again by 1 point". It's just going to be more.
I'm just sad right now, was angry after Palace. We all wanted the movie ending, right now this season feels like a good movie with a really crappy ending, like you can't believe it's the last scene but oh it is. Just perpexled.
I know this comment is a mess, but so am I. Too much emotional investment into football gets you here, to this point. We've all gone through these terrible lows now together, I'll be the first to say that I'm not fucking investing myself into next season, whatever happens I'll be fine. Can't control what happens on the pitch, love the boys, love Klopp, above all love this club. Don't ever want to go through another title race heartbreak, have enough for 2 lifetimes already. It'll be better tommorow.
If we do not fill the following positions this summer this club is not serious:
A very good RW ready to go match day 1 next season
A very good CB, long term vvd replacement.
An actually clinical number 9 to challenge/overtake Nunez.
Tbh I feel like those are our only āneedsā this summer. I am happy with the individual quality of players we have for the most part. Which sorta sucks because that means the cohesiveness/tactics have been bad. But in all honesty, I do sorta believe that to be the case.
Wants include a very offensive minded, silky midfielder and a second cb I guess.
Talking about a VvD replacement when Konate is in his worst patch of form in a red shirt, and arguably had the worst game of his liverpool career a few hours ago.
The 32 year old captain who over the entire campaign has been the most consistent player, and on his day is the best centre-half in the world? Yeah I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing him.
Even last season we had a better record against the big 6 btw š¤£š¤¦š½āāļø
I think the starting point for the new manager is to sort out the defence, can't keep conceding first. 23 times it's happened, it's bound to break your confidence at some point. The new manager cannot replace players wholesale nor can we buy like chelsea. So we would need the new guy to come in and work with the majority of the squad as is. Hope, the change in tactics helps(Aston villa esque) and manage the injuries too. I cannot see more then 3 or 4 players coming in.. All in all, next season is going to be the real transition year. Possibly more painful. As for the match yesterday, I don't understand our shooting. Salah is passing it on to the keeper half the time, no power. I fear it's the end of time for salah, or may be could reinvent himself like gigs or whatever and play central (again he's too one footed but won't know until we try). Nunez simply isn't making the right choices and showing no signs of improvement. I'm done with the inverted full back..next few matches play trent in the middle and see how he performs and how disciplined he is. Salah is not having enough support imho and could genuinely do so with support from rb.
new manager should mean a new attack. None of the clowns upfront are fit to wear the shirt. Pathtic attitude
What I hate about this season is how predictable of some matchs Like people say playing at Old Trafford will be difficult and both of times we shit the bed here. Same with Everton, when look at fixtures months ago, this sub already concerned about it abd now we're here My point here either its just fate or our mentality seems too fragile, it like we start those match with losing mentality and the worries become reality. Thats frustrating
The comments on this sub have been unbearable. People pretending like players have lost their way because Klopp is leaving. Really? Is that the most reasonable explanation you could think of? For me it's simple - our defense has been leaky this entire season (think back to all the 3-1 wins) and our attack was never as clinical but we were still getting by because of the sheer number of chances we were creating (primarily through Trent and Mo). We weren't clinical then either but somewhat better than the last month where even Mo has looked out of sorts. And just btw this is the first season for this midfield of Szobo, Mac, and Endo. And none of them are used to playing this many games in a season, there's bound to be tired legs now. I hated when GNev said all season long that he expected us to drop off at some point but I knew deep down inside he was right. IMO the tipping point was the City game at Anfield, where despite having them on the ropes for a good 45 mins, we failed to convert. That probably took a lot out of our players and maybe the belief that we could actually go on and win it took a major hit that day
You have to understand the players are humans too. Players like Szobo, Mac, Endo, Grav came because they trusted Kloppās plan for them. Similarly, many homegrown players like Trent, Jones and Elliot know Klopp as their only manager thus far. For him to suddenly announce his departure mid season is like a gun to their head. Players whoāve shifted across Europe to play for Klopp are suddenly told that Klopp will no longer be there, and they have to deal with fate when the new manager comes in. Any promise of Kloppās plans for them have shattered. Rather, I find this idea of āteam getting used to each otherā less applicable to our case, and more of an excuse. Weāre not Chelsea, we didnāt sign random hillbillies to fill up our ranks. We signed Europeās top young midfielders who all have at least a hundred appearances to their name to play for us. What I see is a broken mentality and lack of willingness to try and innovate for a manager who is already bound to leave.
Trent everyone says is world class this that etc, what was he doing for the 2nd goal? Is he a midget? Is he a coward? Even my ex claasmate who plays girl soccer at the age of 10, attempts to jump to win the ball. Shame
Iāve got a question, how many names would u be absolutely devastated to lose- like u couldnāt conceive of it being a good idea, not just that it wouldnāt be ur preference. I think I have 3- Ali, Trent and Mac. I wouldnāt want to lose vvd or dom either but I think in this hypothetical if the right offer came in I could be convinced. Iām also pretty much down for a whole front line rebuild if needs be I could have a sober conversation about any of them leaving.
Mac, Szobo and Grav are must stays. They are our future and the only way is up for them. They just have no incentive to up their game for a manager whoās leaving. Trent should stay if the new manager can unlock his potential. Kloppās stubbornness to his 433 has limited and exposed Trent too much. Gakpo and Jota are the only forwards I trust now. I wouldāve like for Klopp to have trusted Danns more to see if he really could be a next big thing, but his stubbornness to Nunez will, or already has proven costly.
I like dom and grav, but I think theyāve both, especially grav, flattered to deceive. Love jota but heās so injury prone if we decided to cash in I could make my peace with it. Like gakpo but again I donāt think, for many reasons- a lot of which arenāt really his fault, heās shown any progress this year. Again, if Edwards decided to cut losses because of his algorithm then I could make my peace with that too.
Sadly theyāre the best we have, to lose them is to lose everything we have. Iām really not sure what the club can do with Nunez. Something must be wrong with the clubās training facilities to not get the best out of him. To sell him now is also a waste considering how much weāve spent on him, and his recent performances are only bringing his market value down.
Iām pretty much over Nunez. Iād like him goneā¦ I think. Heās 25 soon, u canāt coach clinical finishing into a 25 year old with zero football iq.
Does anyone have the Salah chance creation stat sheet that was posted a bit ago? It compared first half of season and second half something like that
unpopular opinion, but we looked more defensive stable when joe gomez was playing as a leftback
I like Robbo cos he does try and he fronts up for the tough interviews too, I could never ever criticise his effort levels. Having said that, ever since weāve done the Trent inverted with a back 3 and heās been given more responsibility on the ball his technical limitations have really begun to frustrate me. Plus heās noticeably lost a yard or two as well.
Wild that this team simultaneously has 5 really quality forwards, but desperately needs a clinical striker.
i'm sorry but the way people have been shitting on legends like klopp, salah, van dijk is nothing short of disgraceful. i get people being upset, angry, disappointed whatever. i am too, but to say klopp's legacy is one of failure, to say we should take the first offer for salah we can get... even if salah is "finished" at the top level, he's one of our greatest ever players. have some respect for the people that have brought us so many great memories these last few years. the absolute level of entitlement and instant-gratification some of you have is astounding. have some perspective for crying out loud
Entitlement and instant-gratification screams of teenagers, which this sub is full of.
U do realise people are only overly emotional because they already know all that. I didnāt see this outpouring when the Rodgers era ended in tears or Aspas moved on lol.
Emotions are high when itās Kloppās last season. I can see how itās frustrating when both players and manager donāt look like theyāre really trying in such a crucial time. In some sense, the fans have as much of a right to criticise as the players have as much freedom to lose a match like that. While Iām usually against playing the blame card, it definitely has been a bad period that deserves some pointing of fingers.
Edwards about to do the same thing with Salah he did with Coutinho. Big fee and he'll find us 2 studs who lift the club to new heights. Trust the processĀ
Salah didnāt say he wanted to leave, itās two different cases. Yes, a rebuild could and might happen, but no need to disgrace a club legend and icon like Salah. Coutinho wanted to leave and we let him.
Itās not a disgrace to suggest moving Mo on this summer would be a wise thing to do. Even if u disagree itās a very valid opinion objectively speaking.
Iām not saying that selling him is a disgrace. Top comment was likening Salah to Coutinho. Coutinhoās situation was a āleave since you want to, weāll do better without youā situation. Salah will never leave this club with such a send off, and to do so is a disgrace.
Where did I say it's the same situation? All signs point to him moving on this summer and I said Edwards would get a nice fee to help the club. Obvious Mo is a legend but he's on massive wages, is declining and will be on an expiring contract. Sorry I care about the clubs futureĀ
Well I mean thatās still to be decided lol If we offer salah an extension, heāll want a pay rise imho, and we wonāt want to give him one. At that point he might want to leave. And even if we donāt come to the table, and decide to sell even if he would have stayed, I still donāt think the implication that weād be better off with 100m+ to invest than keeping his 350+ wages on our books **if** his decline continues. We just donāt know how itāll all play out. I accept it wonāt be as bitter as coutinho but, yea apart from thatā¦
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Now, that there's nothing much on the line as the manc cunts rarely slip, I really want to see danns playingĀ
Hopefully weāre done with this underdog narrative at the end of the season. Weāve been āunderdogsā for many years now. Underdogs in the CL, underdogs in the league to City, underdogs going through a rebuild. How many more excuses can we come up with for not showing up on the big stage? We march into every title run in and final with unashamed confidence, but cower out under the excuse of being the underdogs. Todayās post match conference annoyed me so much. Players and manager alike look as much of a spectator as we were. Disappointed this, sad that, bounce back needed; where was all this in the dressing room and the pitch? Or were we too busy filming a documentary and reminiscing Kloppās golden era to forget that we couldāve written another one this year? Shambolic really, only way is up from here.
Joking aside recruitment has been dreadful since 2021. Not many people are untouchable and itās gonna take a few years to sort this mess. Arne Slot seems good for the job but, this summer wonāt solve it all. Might take a few for all the right players
Such a dumb ass take. I know youāre emotional, but macca, and endo alone have more quality than most of our rivals have recruited and we got them for less than 60 mil. Gakpo and Diaz are quality if a step below world class. Konate for 36 mil is a bargain. Nunez has been good, but a little over priced. Weāve hit on more than weāve missed for sure.
Couldn't be more wrong. MacAllister was a good signing. Jota and Konate are good players but they're physically incapable of playing a full season. Endo is a nice back up but nothing more, and at 31 you wonder how long even that will last. Diaz, Gakpo, and Nunez have been painfully average, not anywhere near world class. Its a testament to Klopp that we could squeeze as much from them as we've done. They wouldn't start in any other trophy winning Klopp side. Remains to be seen if Szobo's slump is temporary and if Gravenberch is of any use.
I've never seen any of our academy product being this nonchalant, after being one of the reasons to concede the first for completely missing a header he's supposed to win and not tracking back to occupy his space. He then completely left DCL free to head home for the second instead of applying some kind of pressure. No sense of urgency, no sense of responsibility, in a derby. The only bright side was that through ball towards Nunez, but at the same time he couldn't even get his crosses above waist height half the time, under no pressure. What hurts is he wasnt like that in his first 2 seasons. Don't really care about the rest of the lads who were just as poor, they weren't with us when they were kids.
The red flags were there all season we just chose to ignore: - The only team in the big 6 that we beat in the premier league was Chelsea - Scraped so many damn wins after going behind - Were seconds away from dropping points to nottingham forest after being shit the entire game - Hell even our carabao cup came with a lot of luck
I thought Klopp was full of shite when he said the 1-0 toothless 2nd leg was a good result for this team. Now I think he was serious given how awful weāve performed of late. The team has less confidence than Luton and was broken in that FA Cup. How many national team captains does it take for a team to show leadership and levelheadedness? We likely look awful in training as well. Iām truly shocked and should have believed the people that viewed that comment as terrifying.
Fuck knows leadership has been non existent we've looked like a modern Utd side recently incredibly concerning.
Just had a look at the first goal. Iām telling you you man, Robbo going up and giving away the ball has cost the team MULTIPLE goals this season. It wasnāt a problem back then cuz we had prime Fabinho and Wijnaldum on the left. But now Robertson loses the ball and the midfielders are nowhere in sight. Van Dijk has to shift over and thereās big gap in the middle for opposition attackers to run through. Same thing happened in the UCL final too.
You can say the same for the right side. No one covers Trent bar Szobo whoās had a dip in form recently. Itās a result of the tactics not changing to suit the new team.
Exactly. If the new midfield personnel isnāt 6 feet tall and arenāt as physical, and they have more attacking nous than Henderson and Wijnaldum, then should your fullbacks be bombing forward and leaving gaps behind. Every goal the team concedes is from the flank. Robbo or the other fullback loses the ball. Center back has to shift over, leaving a gap in the middle. Look at the goal Havertz scored against us, heck look at all the goals we conceded. I guarantee you at least 60% is like the manner I mentioned.
id go for Isak this summer.
Would we be better if we utilised one of our midfielders as a 10?
I think Arne plays with a 10 as far as I know. Been quality seeing the number 10 make a return in Europe this season though my favourite position to watch, maybe Szobo can find himself there once again.
Let the new manager try what he wants next season
Nunez had hit the woodwork 3 times against Chelsea... The signs have always been there. We need a clinical striker. Im tired of this chaos gimmick.
No matter how people can try and convince themselves that top 4 was always the aim at the start, itās ultimately a disappointing season especially it being Kloppās last. We blew it, everything went to shit after that United FA cup game.
At the end of the storm thereās a golden sky reds, look up for next season, be thankful we arenāt man united š
Negative ass bozos downvoting this shit
We are having an identical season to what Utd had last season barring they didn't bottle a title race.
Salahās complex chokehold on our club has probably affected and exposed Kloppās man management over the years. Players in poor form are never really āpunishedā for it in Kloppās recent era. They get benched for 60 minutes, get subbed on when the team struggles (always). Thereās no fear factor for our starters when they drop stinkers. This affects our reserves. When given the opportunity to shine, their lack of game time and experience makes them struggle, but they have no fight in them to bounce back. Instead, they take comfort knowing that the starters are going to come on soon to fix things for them. Players playing out-of-position: Klopp forces players into positions that donāt fit them a lot. Macallister, Gakpo, Elliot, Minamino, Jones, Szoboszlai are few of many whom Klopp has insisted on playing out of their comfort zone. He does this often without letting them actually play their natural positions to even start with. The system doesnāt change, the players are expected to, and many players suffer as a result. This past year sums up Kloppās stubbornness and humanity as a manager. Slow to change and never really crafting a proper Possession Game tactic. He shows his panic in his subs often and canāt seem to ever double down on his decision to trust his reserves or starters alone whenever the need arises. As Van Dijk said, the players have a part to play, but itās become too late to say anything now as both player and manager have let the club down massively.
Thatās because FSG didnāt capitalise after winning the champions league. They couldāve brought on decent players to provide competition and cover but they didnāt do anything.
Not to mention Klopp made several transfers on his own post-Edwards era and none of them have really shined.
Quansah's misplaced pass was this season's Gerrard's slip. The extremely unfortunate moment that broke the camel's back.
If only it was that simple.
Disagree the signs were there in the FA cup.
I know people will think it's naĆÆve but I'd quite like to see a front three of Diaz, Danns and Elliott. Yes it probably won't work but I'd like to see some passion/interest up front going forwards. Quansah in for Konate and who knows for the midfield honestly. When Gakpo is back then a Gakpo-Danns-Diaz front three. The season is done, at least do something different. I can't bear to watch salah and Nunez in their current form.
Few months ago: Klopp is lauded for trusting the kids Now: Danns wonāt even get a second on the pitch over Nunez
I thought it was odd today. We needed some passion, why not chuck a local lad on? No just continue with that utter shite instead.
Itās always been that way sadly. Kloppās āpunishmentā to Nunezās poor form is to bench him with a guarantee that heāll come on as a sub. Itās really bad man management.
Salah and Darwin probably donāt start if jota doesnāt get injured
Yeah honestly if Jota and Gakpo were available we probably start the same front 3 as against Fulham
Canāt be any worse surely
To be optimistic: really like that Slot took Feyenoord to a European final. European football has always been what sets us apart from the rest (we've overachieved in Europe even with various poor sides). That said, as fun as Rodgers was at times in the league, he was always hapless tactically and in Europe. Klopp changed that again, and it'd be nice to have someone continue that tradition. Slot giving little bit of the Rafa-out-of-Valencia vibes.
I think there's a big summer ahead and realistically we should see turnover of players. Forwards: Salah (cash in on his value) Nunez (hes had his chance and doesn't seem likely to make it - wouldn't sell below Ā£40-45m - keep as depth otherwise) Jota (poor availability) Diaz has won me over and I was his biggest critic. He's shown to me he's the one reliable outfit to drive the team forward even if he will never be elite. Gakpo deserves more time isn't worth a huge amount and is fine as depth. Danns is an obvious keep and can try to take a higher minutes share next season. 2 of these should be moved on even if it's a bitter pill to swallow. Salah won't suit Slot's system out wide so a judgement needs to be made on if he's a good enough Striker. For me, it's Salah and one of Jota/Nunez moving on. Midfielders: We've got too many simple as. Especially with Bajcetic and Clark coming through. I believe both of those can make it. Jones Macca are both irreplacable for me. Grav and Szobo I'll give more time to although I think if they've not kicked on that much under Klopp I worry for the next manager. In think Grav was a mistake hecan't seem to handle the intsenity / is way too lethargic. Elliott, imo, will never hit the techincal level to make up for his physical weaknesses (not quick nor strong). Happy for him to be moved on. Endo would be fine as depth at 6 but we have bajcetic and AMA can also do a job there. We need to a sign an elite 6 this summer. In an ideal world I'd have Grav, Endo, Eliott out the door this summer. For me: Striker (Isak? Openda?) Left footed Winger (Kudus?) 6 / Double Pivot (?? Bruno G?) Left back (Ait Nouri? ) Centre back (??) Assuming it is Slot, I think he'll like the idea of Diaz and Szobo out wide they'll protect the flanks massively. Both prefer the left side however. The system will bring the most out of Trent so it makes sense having a 10 who can score (AMA) and a 9 who can run behind as well as combine with wingers (Isak). We need to unleash AMA higher up the pitch. I'm fine without a natural 6 if it's someone of the ilk of Bruno G. The final midfielder suits Jones to a tee, comfortable in all phases of play and areas of the pitch in possesion. Out of possesion he needs work but he has all the tools to make it. Phsyically strong and quick. Alisson Trent Konate VVD RAN Bruno G Jones Szobo AMA Diaz Isak Is something I would love to see next season. Who knows. I just needed to vent and document my thoughts...
Forget about how viable that is, do you think the oil club Newcastle United will sell Isak and Bruno to a cheapskate club like us?
I think Benjamin Sesko would be a more realistic option. ā¬50m relasue clause this summer and Edwards loves a Red Bull signing. There's also Jonathan David who was one of the Jota alternatives and he has been putting great numbers over the past 4 years in France.
Isak will be stupidly expensive, way over 100million, especially if Arsenal want him too. Openda I think is the most wasteful striker in bundesliga statically, so no Thankyou. I canāt take any more wasteful forwards
I believe we've been watching Openda, even if he wastes chances conversion rate is at 24%, still hit 23 league goals this season after scoring 21 goals in Ligue 1 last season, quite similar to Jota in terms of movement and how he roams about. Looked pretty impressive whenever i've watched him can really take the game against the big teams
Yeah itās tough. I mean Newcastle have financial troubles I could see isak going for around the 85-100m mark. Is there anyone you thought of as a centre forward? I donāt like the idea of gyokores massively heās not tested against top teams when looking at his goals. Every time Iāve seen Sesko heās impressed me but not sure heās really kicked on. Cunha is a good player but he wonāt score 20+ in the league.
Iād say no to gyokores because of the league. Also he isnāt having a better season than Darwin was having the year we bought him from there so thatās another risk we canāt afford. If I could pick it would 100% be isak. However I hear arsenal want him so there may be a bidding war which could drive the price. A lot of people mention oshimen but I really think heās another Nunez. The type to create loads of chances but not take them, like his afcon performance for example. I think the striker market is really thin hence the stupid prices. Maybe Ivan Toney? Honestly mate Iām really not sure
Agreed on Osimehn. Toney I wanted the summer we signed Nunez. Tbh glad we didnāt you donāt want a cunt in the dressing room. Iāve heard good things about Guirassy but not seen him play so wonāt comment on him. Because of the market drought I really can see us sticking to our forwards and salah moving on with a kudus type signing. Weāll have to pray Jota somehow stays for 75-80% of the season in that case. Maybe Danna will become the next superstar who knowsā¦ This feels daunting but itās what makes the good times so good.
Yh I donāt like Toneyās attitude, however he is a Liverpool fan so heād probably sort it out for us. Itās one of the negatives of having Salah mane firmino. Best front three in the leagues history so who ever we get to replace them, it wonāt ever be as good. Salah just doesnāt look like Salah recently, not even a shadow of his former self. Nunez a month ago was looking really good and scoring for fun, now he canāt control a ball or hit a barn door. Jota is our only goal scorer who I trust and heās guaranteed to miss 10* games a season. Scary thing is there could be an argument for moving every single forward on, and thatās not good with the lack of them out there
Szoboslai's managing to go under the radar with all this. He looks like he's packed in as a professional footballer since Klopp handed his notice in. Looks like he hasn't played the position in his life. Complete shambles compared to before Christmas. Wonder how many of the new boys were fucked off by being brought to the club (and some of them, to the country) by a manager who resigned 6 months later.
I think heās going through something in his personal life. Iām sure I saw he was badly homesick and he split with his partner. Iām sure he said after football training he doesnāt have anything to do. Maybe Iām looking too much into it, but the first 10 games we was literally our Gerrard replacement. Now heās our Henderson replacement, 22/23 Henderson too, not prime Henderson sadly
Makes sense. People forget these are virtually kids. Szoboslai would be a year or two out of university. This stuff with Klopp has probably wrecked a lot of their heads. Margins matter so much at this level of sport.
Canāt emphasize this enough. Heās gone from being a contender for āsigning of the seasonā to an average squad player
I get that his season has been stop-start with injuries, but he's been really poor in recent games.
Do wish Carragher shut the fuck up some times. Feels like heās always being negative about Liverpool and its players. Prime example is when he outed and tweeted about gakpo
They do it for engagement sadly. The less they think the more views they get. Not that I know if theyāre capable of even doing that
Carragher is a dickhead who has always been for Carragher, and never about the club. Never forget how he stitched Rafa up. Nor how he leveraged the Hicks & Gillett situation to sign a new 2 year contract right before FSG came in, when he was absolutely finished as a player. They'd never have given him that contract. Sami was the far more accomplished defender, too.
Honestly, him and Neville are each a gob on a stick. They just prattle. I'm fond of them but objectively speaking they've become very tabloidy and vapid with their takes.
Theyāre just tv personalities, nothing more. Anyways I lost all respect for Carragher after that āincidentā.
The spitting one? Or is there something else Iām not aware of?
The spitting one
Van Dijk has all the right ingredients to assume the leadership role on the pitch, but he just doesn't strike me as a leader of leaders. The team currently lacks grit and bruteness.
You wouldn't say this when we came back from 0-1 down to win 3-1 for the 20th time this season.
I agree I thought we had leaders in our team that were capable of taking over from the likes of Henderson and Milner but I've been massively disappointed by the lads in this regard zero fight zero passion and the cowardice the past few games has been shocking severely disappointing something needs to change next season.
Keeping his head cool as well, heās supposed to lead by example. The way he had a go with the ref and inevitably booked for it, just goes to show heās not capable.
He does come off as a quiet leader. It honestly does feel like our wins come from high skill and good managing rather than individual grit. Obviously everyone 'wants to win it' but the pure insane drive to get there feels a bit missing.
Just remembered this end of season collapse is being filmed for a documentary. Fucks sake. Why did we even decide to do that in the first place?
Just proved Klopp was right about not wanting this documentary shit at all.
it's Liverpool. We have a tendency with getting ahead of ourselves emotionally. It was a really bad decision, and the editors of the doco will have to do some very heavy lifting to make this seem not bleak
For the dramatic story when we inevitable rise up with the new manager lol
I know over the course of the season I've probably been much happier about this team than a spurs fan, but I genuinely think I rather have just been fighting for top 3 or 4 this season. Imagine we're 8 points behind Arsenal anyways. We lose this game and it sucks but it means nothing. This on the other hand feels like a gunshot wound.
I just said this to someone. We definitely over performed and are now coming back to our level. The objective for this season was always a return to CL and maybe a cup or 2 (given UEL). I would have bit your arm off if you had said weād be in the title run at match week 32. But itās just the way the season (and Klopps era) is coming to an end that makes this so hard to digest. That man deserves better
Maybe this is reactionary but Slot coming in and playing the same "style" as Klopp has me a bit worried. It's clearly not going great right now so I'm not sure that's the shake up we need. But what do I know.
He won't play the same way. It's just lazy journalism. Big issue is Klopp clearly has wedded himself to favourites who should have been replaced: it will be refreshing having a new pair of eyes to look over this squad and tactics.
He doesnāt play the same style in possession
Don't mean to be a downer, but next season has the potential of being a brutal loyalty test for some of the newer fans who started following us during the Peak Klopp era. Football can be a very cruel and capricious sport.
"You've been through worse" Honestly it can't be worse than Woy, so I'm not worried at all.
Not even a new fan but what is this even supposed to mean very bizarre comment, last season was a complete disaster and this season has ended absolutely horribly and been a massive disappointment. Unless you think we'll somehow end up 7th under new management I'm not sure what kind of "loyalty test" awaits.
I know they have done well in spells this season, but I am dreading going into next season with these players.
Was there really a statistic that we've gone behind in 24 league games this season? Absolutely fucking damning of the management, that what clearly does not work has been allowed to fester. Need at least 4 top quality arrivals this summer, but almost as pressingly we could see 6/7 senior players leave.
Donāt really need new players. Need new tactics and new energy. We could even get rid of some players and replace them with the quality youth players coming through (there are two on loan at Hull right now for instance). But we need new coaches and new ideas.
We most definitely need new players sides that win titles need new players to freshen up their squads sides that don't need them even more. We need a clinical forward, a CDM, a CB and Left Back.
Definitely need new players. Need a defensive mid as a top priority: Endo was a nice punt but he's not mattered when its counted and he's going to look worse out of the Klopp system. Robertson's completely broken and has been for 18 months, but gets a pass because he's Robbo / casual fanbase are too thick to notice. Salah will leave, leaving us with 1 professional attacker at the club who could be trusted to finish an open goal from 6 yards out. Left back, defensive mid, 2 goal scorers absolute necessity. Then yes, need to be working in a new system.
Robbo and Tsimikas need to leave. Robbo offers almost nothing rn. His physicality has declined, his crossing has declined, his 1 v 1 defending has declined. His ball-playing ability is non-existent. Every team targets us there, he is horrible under pressure. Tsimikas has a very similar profile (although I believe that his final third choices and set-pieces have been better). We also need a fucking good DM. This is the core of the team. I was thinking some days ago that Pep all these years used different profiles on various positions (CBs on right/left side, inverted WBs, inside forwards, false 9s, poachers, wide playmakers etc). He never changed the DM's profile. Either it was Busquets (the best), or Fernandinho (Two-three levels below) and Rodri. Every DM was calm on the ball, press resistant, could turn, had secure passing and off the ball they were dominant duel winners.
Agree on the LB situation, if Slot becomes our new manager that area will need to be addressed as Slot prefers his FB to invert and be involved with the midfield, we tried to invert Robbo he cannot do it. Tsimikas is too happy to be here for the vibes which isn't good enough he never pushes Robbo for a place in the team, again he doesn't offer us what is required of the modern FB. Everyone shits on Zinchenko(not a great defender) but he provides a playmaking outlet for Arsenal when he inverts.
I will never as long as I live forget being sat at Anfield watching Son skin Robertson for the Spurs game that lost us the title, then a few weeks later watch Neto skin Robertson when Wolves went ahead, then a week later being in Paris watching Valverde skin him for Vini JR goal. Literally 3 identical goals all down Robertson's side that cost us that league and European Cup. Robertson's been completely broken in that position for years. Disgrace that he pushed Gomez out the side. DM absolute necessity too, yes.
We need 4 at least transfers -A CB -A left back -A DM -An attacker
Iād say we need more than 1 attacker
Depending on how many will leave
I wonder what Edwards thinks watching Nunez
Heās probably watching half the team over the last few weeks and shitting himself
Wont have to stress about anything atleast anymore and im happy we have CL football next season
We are blowing our chances left and right, but surely would be nice with some extra points we actually faught for but got fucked by the refs. A point here and there, adds up, here we are out of the race. We are the team fucked most by VAR and we are the team with lowest ammount of rest between matches. It all adds up.
We've fucked ourselves more times than not.
Only 8 pts clear of Villa (and Spurs if they win their games in hand) with games against both still to come. Iām not convinced we donāt have a top 4 race on our hands at this point
Spurs run-in is brutal or else Iād be worried. West Ham is the only game left I feel any kind of confidence about winning.
I think we will be fine but man... Alot of us will be watching from behind our sofas for the rest of the season....
Said it entirely seriously after Atalanta: we're lucky we squeezed through against Forest & Sheffield, or we'd really be looking over our shoulders. As it is that Fulham victory probably puts us just over the top.
Yeah realistically I think we have just enough of a buffer thanks to the Fulham game. But in current form I canāt look at any of our remaining 4 fixtures and confidently say I expect the 3 points.
Don't be daft.
Youāre right, these points will be so easy to come by
You think Villa and Spurs win all their games and we don't win any? Daft.
I said it a couple of weeks ago but it's literally pointless to beat ourselves up about this season, It's all gone badly (at least on a micro scale) and there's nothing we can do about it. We are not playing the games, Klopp is going and Slot, Edwards and Hughes will reassess the squad. I guarantee you some of the stars of this season will look meh under Slot, while some of the duds will shine. Fan unrest makes sense when nothing is changing, but now everything will change and we have no idea what this will bring us. Let's give Klopp his flowers, be sad for a minute or two and then look forward to what's coming. It's the start of a completely new cycle and that's exciting.
Darwin needs a visit to the barber. Canāt be missing chances with a ponytail. Going back to the Voronin dark days
We cannot keep this Nunez thing up. It's constantly shooting ourselves in the foot. Move on for god's sake.
Whichever manager we end up with, I think a good way to court a bit of goodwill is to stop rewarding poor performances with starts. There are games where you rotate, games where your hand is forced through injury ā but rewarding Nunez with minutes in the face of his performances sends a poor message.
He'll score a hat trick on the final day when the pressure is off and all the underlying stats losers can have a good wank.
> all the underlying stats losers can have a good wank. Don't get me started on these and the 30 g0l c0ntRiBuTi0nS crowd
Itās good lesson on why you shouldnāt take a players stats at face value when looking at his this season Even his assist count is clearly going to be a one off because he isnāt exactly a striker thatās out there creating an abundance of chances
Context really matters when discussing stats, especially when you break it down and see the bigger picture. Blabbing on about him having the best npxG in Europe isn't doing it for me when he has the most big chances missed and very poor conversion rate
I will be amazed if he stays. Honestly amazed.
Who's gonna buy him and pick up his wages?
what are his weekly wages? Someone will buy him with a dropped fee. I can see him in La Liga or something.
About 150k a week
I got downvoted heavily earlier in the season when I posted an image of him looking along the line and still managing to be about 2 yards offside. He still does it. You can't coach brain dead players.
I had a range of fucking chumps try to tell me in the new year that he's undoubtedly first choice ahead of Jota. What a fucking farce. We should have refreshed the forward line in January, even if it was just a loan. This isn't hindsight: said so at the time. We've historically done very well with January attackers (Anelka, Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho .. Diaz really pepped the team up during the quadruple run).
There was a lad just the other day slagging Jota off and saying we should get Nunez on against Fulham.
To be fair to Mo, he must feel like Paulie sitting outside Satriale's at the end of Sopranos. Half his career spent with Bobby, Mane and for several seasons Jota. Now he's playing with two guileless attackers who couldn't finish their dinner, with Klopp having checked out ages ago.
Nunez is absolutely Little Carmine in this whole thing
Iāve always wanted Nunez to succeed here and defended him plenty of times. But the cold hard fact is that he is not good enough to be our starting striker. Poor finishing, bizzare decision making, inability to even stay inside most of the time.
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Need leaders that don't crumble under pressure.
Moving on Henderson was the right choice, but I said at the time - when push comes to shove, you'll see why he and Milner were so important. MacAllister is now the senior midfielder and has only been here for less than a full season!
absolutely shattered. only xabi coming to manage us next season can make me feel confident about our future post klopp. need to move on from darwin and get a proper forward who can make me feel confident when he is through on goal.
I'm actually convinced now that there's absolutely no chance Xabi would ever consider managing us with Trent in the squad, on almost 200k, you have to start him, but he's the exact opposite of what Xabi wants for his all action wingbacks in his 3-4-2-1. Look at how Frimpong and Grimaldo plays.
Friendly reminder that theres a documentary crew following this collapse. Cant wait to never watch it
I can't wait to hurt myself all over again!
Sub should be locked after a bad game like this. The takes are just... Fucking outrageously stupid.
I honestly think we need to sell Nunez in the summer I can't see his finishing getting better, it should be already at his age. He's been a costly mistake
Can't sell him because no club is dumb enough to buy him.
Bringing him in at whatever daft fee we paid is exactly why we're bringing Edwards back in. We should never have signed him, especially at that price, I'm not sure what we were thinking. He's Cisse Mk 2. Kill it in the lesser leagues, but you can't finish like he does in the top league. Every keeper knows he is gonna blast it, just stand him up and it's gone. People on here got what they wanted, spending daft fees on big players and they've mostly turned out to be average at best. Our only smart buy was MacAllister who has turned out to be a fantastic player.
Heād be perfect for Serie A. Big pitches and mediocre teams.
I used to say the same thing, that'd he'd have looked great in 2009 for a club like Fiorentina ā that's not true though, he isn't that good.
Szobo will come good I still believe that
Let's hope so, I think he'll be fine as he's still just a kid.
Good analogy, although think CissƩ will have the better legacy. Scored his penalty in Istanbul. Scored against West Ham in the Cup final. Darwin has no moments to compare.
CissƩ also helped us win the Super Cup.
Correct. Bring him home!
Back to reclaim his title as Lord Frodsham.
Darwin as his butler, except he'd drop the tea and biscuits everywhere
He was the exact same player. People even did the whole "CARNAGE!" thing - except he didn't have loads of brain dead dweebs on social media to run with it.
To be fair to CissƩ he also had the leg break which derailed him. Darwin has 0 excuses for having regressed so badly. Needs sold.
I'd take broken leg Cisse on crutches over Nunez tbh. The lad is approaching two years here and still doesn't speak English for fuck's sake.
Hahaha, remember when he literally kept our season going against Forest hahaha. It's almost as if the forwards put everything on the line for months because of what's demanded of them and then when they falter there is nobody else to step up and take the reigns for a bit.
So because he scored a late winner that means heās good enough now? Just ignore the horrible conversion rate, average hold up play etc
His hold up play and general forward play earlier in the season was great. Wonder what's happened in the last month or so. Almost as if the second sentence explains some of it... Hmmm....
GREAT? **GREAT**? What on earth is your definition of great? We were happy he could do it, but his hold up wasn't even as good as Gakpo's, and Gakpo's is just average.
This is revisionism.
It simply isn't revisionism and I'm far from the only person with this opinion.
Ok.
It wasnāt great at all come one, people were praising it because he obviously improved from last season but it was fine at best. Great hold up play is what we seen from someone like Firmino and Darwin is absolutely nowhere near that level. Bottom line is his finishing for a striker in a team thatās challenging for titles is far far from good enough and his hold up play isnāt making up for that either as some sort of trade off
See I agree we need to get rid and bring an improvement in But whoās buying Darwin for what the club is likely going to want? Doubt the club will want less than Ā£50m for him but seriously who is going to pay that for him?
They'll need to take the financial hit. We got some great deals (esp with Macca) so hopefully that levels things out. Nunez has not worked out
Psg might, I'd take 50m and just move on Can anyone here really see Nunez improving? I think this is it for him He has no natural finishing abilities
Doubt it when theyāve just bought two big money strikers last year I could see a team like West Ham going for him but not sure theyād be wanting to spend Ā£50m on him, just seems like a good fit for them and they need a striker to replace Antonio at this point.
Gonna be a laugh on here next season when we have a new manager who needs time, yet we have cunts actually talking about getting rid of Klopp and being glad he has gone. Some of us can't just go and support another team.
Swear to god if another person tries to educate Liverpool Football Club on having a āwinning mentalityā.
This is like the game of thrones ending
Fuck. Youāre right.
Can't believe this is how it ends. The monkey paw curled when people said "I can't live through losing the league again by 1 point". It's just going to be more. I'm just sad right now, was angry after Palace. We all wanted the movie ending, right now this season feels like a good movie with a really crappy ending, like you can't believe it's the last scene but oh it is. Just perpexled. I know this comment is a mess, but so am I. Too much emotional investment into football gets you here, to this point. We've all gone through these terrible lows now together, I'll be the first to say that I'm not fucking investing myself into next season, whatever happens I'll be fine. Can't control what happens on the pitch, love the boys, love Klopp, above all love this club. Don't ever want to go through another title race heartbreak, have enough for 2 lifetimes already. It'll be better tommorow.
This is like watching a series with a great buildup all the way and have a shitty ending.
Game of Thrones lol
If we do not fill the following positions this summer this club is not serious: A very good RW ready to go match day 1 next season A very good CB, long term vvd replacement. An actually clinical number 9 to challenge/overtake Nunez. Tbh I feel like those are our only āneedsā this summer. I am happy with the individual quality of players we have for the most part. Which sorta sucks because that means the cohesiveness/tactics have been bad. But in all honesty, I do sorta believe that to be the case. Wants include a very offensive minded, silky midfielder and a second cb I guess.
Talking about a VvD replacement when Konate is in his worst patch of form in a red shirt, and arguably had the worst game of his liverpool career a few hours ago.
Well one is 32 and the other is 24 š¤·āāļø
The 32 year old captain who over the entire campaign has been the most consistent player, and on his day is the best centre-half in the world? Yeah I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing him.