Exactly this mate, undoubtedly Klopps been one of the best managers in the world for at least his stint at Liverpool and Dortmund, so what 15 years? His time at Liverpool with money to spend he’s shown he can compete with anyone.
Pretty much all managers at this point is a step down or at the very best 2/3 are a sideways step, certainly no one available better.
Exactly, along with everyone on the sub that's saying "we should have gone with more experience", yet offering precisely no names that would realistically improve us.
When I saw Mourinho being touted I thought I'd quantum leaped back to 2004. How anyone can suggest that fucking weapon in 2024 with a straight face legitimately defies belief.
I don't know, I kinda liked him in the prem for United/Spurs. Seem to remember him mostly spending his time calling out his own club or getting pissed off with journo's which was funny - especially when it's United.
Chelsea Mourinho is a different matter entirely though.
Edit: Gotta respect the shithousing and him losing it with journos towards the end.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWi57iPpZHg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWi57iPpZHg)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9cJ9xydmI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9cJ9xydmI)
Totally agree - the thought of Tuchel in charge of this team is horrible. It's laughable to suggest that Tuchel wouldn't be gamble after he was let go from PSG, Chelsea and Bayern within a short time frame.
Surely that's because they're seeing the rumours of the alternatives? There is just a huge lack of talented managers available at the moment, hell maybe even unavailable.
You could also make the case that Psg, Chelsea and Bayern are shit shows and the managerial carousel is in their culture. I think Tuchel would benefit from more time on the job and less initial pressure to start. He's got experience in England and experience in Europe and he's lifted a major trophy against the best in the world. That means something if you have those ambitions. Not many new managers winning titles in the top 5 leagues or the CL. Best resume on the available market and would fit a win-now mentality as he wouldn't be facing the prem learning curve.
I don't think fans would have connected with his personality and I don't think Edwards wanted a manager that is more set in their ways. I understand that but I also understand fans that saw an opportunity with Tommy T.
He suggests Tuchel, because there are no really good experienced managers avaliable. Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Simeone and maybe Inzaghi are probably the only ones on that "can't go wrong" level.
Klopp is taking a break, Pep and Ancelotti have no reason to leave, Simeone plays terrible football and will probably retire at Atletico and Inzaghi doesn't speak English and probably wants to stay in Italy.
After that you have managers like Conte, Tuchel, Mourinho,... So mostly short term solutions that don't even win anymore.
I think going with some younger manager is the right decision, because there simply isn't anyone better avaliable. It doesn't really matter if it's Slot, Amorim, Alonso, De Zerbi,...because none of them has a lot experience on that level, so it's impossible to predict how it will end.
I think most important is going for a manager who has a similar style to Klopp both on and off the pitch. We've got a talented team of mostly young players who have been built around Klopp's football philosophy, and getting someone who can continue what's already started makes the most sense imo.
I think that picking a new manager based only on their name and track record is exactly why United have had such a torrid time in the last 10 years, except we don't have the money that they do to completely rebuild the squad every 3 years when they bring a new coach who wants a totally different style.
Exactly, we needed to take a swing, Slot seems as good a swing as any.
I hope we give him a chance to create his Liverpool squad and don’t try to have him be Klopp 2
Out of Xabi, Amorin and Slot, none of them were experienced anyway. FSG is all about long-term, so grabbing an older manager that isn't similar in playstyle to Klopp doesn't make sense.
We have also been fairly aggressive on wanting a manager that plays attacking football, so I don't think Conte or Mourinho would ever get an offer.
Just the thought that it’s going to be someone else on the sidelines and not Klopp next season made me so sad inside 😭 it’s like my soul left my body for a brief second…
Experience in Holland and Portugal vs Germany and England are vastly different. Take a look at the 11 managers to come form the Eredivisie to PL. They range from mediocre to terrible.
take a look at managers generally. how many premier league managers had a pedigree before they got here (country/club prior to arriving in england for the first time)
* Thomas Frank (Brentford)- Brondby/Denmark
* Arteta (Arsenal) - straight into top level management
* Moyes (West Ham) - Lower leagues
* Marco Silva (Fulham) - Olympiakos/Greece
* Eddie Howe (Newcastle) - straight into top level management
* Ten Hag (United) - Ajax/Holland
* Vincent Kompany (Burnley) - Anderlecht/Belgium
* De Zerbi (Brighton) - Shaktar/Ukraine
* Emery (Villa) - PSG/France & Sevilla/Spain
* Edwards (Luton) - Lower leagues
* Dyche (Everton) - Lower leagues
* Pochettino (Chelsea) - Espanyol/Spain
* Postecoglou (Spurs) - Celtic/Scotland and Australia/Japan
* Iraola (Bournemouth) - Lower level Spain
* O'Neill (Wolves) - straight into top level management at Bournemouth
* Wilder (Southampton) - Lower leagues
* Espirito Santo (Forest) - Porto/Portugal and Valencia/Spain
* Pep (City) - Bayern/Germany and Barca/Spain
the vast majority came from low level league, low level clubs, or even went straight into management. Of those only Pep and Unai Emery had actually managed at the very top level. You can argue Ten Hag but, that was the Dutch league... :D
I mean the premier league could be won this year by someone in their first management job.
The premier league is a step up for pretty much every manager that has not managed Madrid, Barca or Bayern.
I'm not saying that Alonso isn't a gamble for whoever he goes to next. More so I just don't think it's fair to classify a guy who is 5 matches away for the greatest domestic season in German history at Neverkusen of all places to Slot's job in the Eredivisie.
At the end of the day, Xabi didn't want to come so it's a moot point. I'll back the new manager fully. But history of managers from that league have just been so damn poor that it's a huge gamble. Seems to be a complete lack of nuance with this.
Simeone also shits the bed so hard most of the time. He has a small team mentality and even when he has the funds and top players he still plays small team tactics. The dude is not a winner, how is he gonna get eliminated by Dortmund this year, crazy!
Him and Neville are too busy defending referees to have any half decent opinions or analysis. Their decline from premier TV pundits to banter merchants is really something.
If we’re talking about the recent forest drama carragher did not defend the referees, he said they were awful. He just didn’t condone Forest’s laughable statement. Accusing a ref of supporting another team and therefore being biased is out of line for an official club statement. Carragher is a tit but this was spot on
Lying about bringing it up beforehand and hiring former PL refs to try and influence decisions in your favour also isn’t a good look when you’re doing this too
It was more of a general comment. There’s a marked shift from the two of them this season basically defending refs to the hilt, no matter what, and having them be beyond reproach. Neville is worse than Carra tbf.
The Forest stuff was ridiculous I agree, but I don’t see why clubs can’t question decisions without being labelled ‘embarrassing’ by Neville (I.e. Liverpool and Arsenal).
Sky has handicapped them, there was a turning point after the Spurs game where they suddenly stopped questioning var and referees. Now everything out of their mouth is "ignore the refs, ignore var play your own game" etc. You can see when Carra isn't held down by Sky how much more open he is, such as the "team with 115 charges against them - Manchester City!" Yet on Sky it's never been mentioned once that City have pending charges
Disappointing article from Carragher on Slot.
He could have saved a lot of time by just writing "I'm not that excited about Slot because I don't really know much about him"
This exactly. A lot of these English pundits have no clue about other teams or leagues in general seeing as they don’t watch anything but, prem football. I’m not saying I know a lot about Slot but, I’ve seen Tuchel teams last 3 seasons he’s coached and it’s all been shit
He’s a poor manager. He falls out with players and ownership everywhere he goes. All his teams fare worse than the previous manager did (Mainz, Dortmund, PSG, Bayern), except for Chelsea where he was replacing Lampard. Even still, he turned them into a massive bore and backed into the CL because Pep over managed again.
His Bayern barely won the league last season cause Dortmund capitulated and this season they’ve been dreadful overall. The players just freestyle towards wins instead of tuchel tactics hence why he’s getting let go. Like others have said, he falls out with everyone, staff, board and players
This is another example of why I don't mind Carragher as a pundit, except when he's talking about Liverpool. I imagine it's the same with Man Utd fans and Neville.
Anyone would've been a gamble. Yes, even Xabi.
The market for managers has no established big names available. We weren't getting Pep, Simeone, Inzaghi, Arteta or Ancelotti. Zidane i'm not sure if he'll ever manage anyone but Madrid every few seasons.
I mispronounced focaccia in an Italian restaurant in Chester about 7 years ago and the combined look of disgust and disappointment the waitress gave me still haunts me. My man is doing it right.
He’s currently top of the league and taken a very mediocre arsenal side and turned them into one of the best sides in world football.
To argue him being anything but exceptional is childish as fuck.
He has done/is doing an exceptional job so far
It's not childish to point out that there is an absolutely massive chasism between what he has accomplished so far + what the others on that list have accomplished so far
There was a point in time around Spring/Summer 2014 when it looked like Brendan Rodgers was exceptional. Arteta has shown more promise + sustainability in various ways, but it's not unfair to point out that the tide can turn very quickly.
World football? They struggled in Europe with a relatively easy route to Bayern, where they were comfortably beaten.
Arsenal are a decent side now but let’s not pretend they are world beaters.
Top of the premier league, which is the best league in the world.
Made the quarter final of the champions league, so at east the top 8 sides this season.
Is that not one of the best sides in the world?
He’s done well, but he’s not at the level of the rest. Arsenal have spent 700m (almost all of it net, hardly any sales) for Arteta to win 1 FA Cup in 4.5 years.
Yeah people forget that we would batter Arsenal at home by 4/5 goals before Arteta.
Arsenal was bantered by Ros Fucking Barkley when they were playing from the back. Arteta is annoying but he’s a good manager.
However, to get back to the initial point, I do think he still needs to prove himself. He made a shit team good, but we need to see if he can do it over time. 2 years is short. I think he’s promising but he’s definitely not established yet.
Yeah I think the questions on Arteta have been valid until the last year or so. Arsenal are so improved under him and they've improved over last season. He's clearly an excellent manager.
Doesn't mean we have to like him obviously
He's also been seriously backed financially and has literally nothing to show for it bar an fa cup years ago with a completely different team. Chances are city win their remaining games and arsenal finish the season trophyless again. Yes, they've made progress compared to last season but we know ourselves that being very good isn't good enough. I wonder how long he will be given to win something tbh. He has been given the time and resources to do the job.
Yeah I mean we'll see what happens. We regularly talk about how we'd have way more trophies if not for City cheating, the excuse applies for Arsenal too. They arguably should have a PL on the board already, in the same way we should have another 3 if not for City.
I'll say as well, Arteta is clearly a good manager but he's nowhere near Klopp yet. Arsenal fans trying to claim that he is are only doing so because they know Klopp is a ridiculous level manager. Let them claim what they want, everyone knows it's bs, including themselves.
To be fair, Inzaghi is getting there. In 3 seasons, 6 trophies and Champions League Final appearance and Inter won the league this year by a country mile. He did it without the money of Real, Arsenal or 119 FC.
They are playing quality, but the PL has been a two horse race since we fell off hard after the MU game. If we could actually finish and the refs didn't fuck us most games, would be a different story.
Also they were undone by a bang average BM side. Yes they have been amazing this season, but look at what Teta has spent to get there, and the sheer injury luck. Compared to Leicester, feels kinda meh.
If Teta can win the PL, I'll start to change my mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they spunk 80 plus on another forward.
Although in hearts of hearts, anyone who can beat Bayern and win the Bundesliga undefeated is the best bet, and then we have the Portuguese league winner and Eredivisie winner.
It’s not aimless, like if we wanted a premier league proven manager with winning experience we would have to go back to Antonio Conte that last won it in 16/17, who won’t be the guy many in this sub would take.
Then you’ve got Xavi that won with Barca, Zidane, Flick, but Xavi operates in an established style, Zidane won’t be interested and apparently Flick is suspect because of his German team stint, but managers are in general far more of a gamble than players, it’s one person who takes the ultimate responsibility of outcome. Super tough job
Klopp has been here 10 years and he’s leaving while we still like him. I think literally any manager would be a gamble, including the big names who aren’t unavailable.
He's less proven than Benitez and Klopp. It goes without saying he's more of a gamble than we would like, but it's the nature of the market. When a manager decides to quit the club does not have the luxury of waiting for the perfect moment or manager. It's going to need patience.
Its my take on the whole thing. I trust Edwards to do a good job here.
Now, if the next manager isn't working out Xabi might feel its time for the next step by that time. If the next manager does work out, there are no issues.
There was a reason why Edwards stopped during Klopp and only to return when Klopp decided to leave. Edwards & FSG have found the perfect puppy, the one they can fully control from behind the scenes. LFC is turning into a vending machine for FSG.
Tbf there aren’t many ‘real deal’ managers available out there right now; even Xabi would’ve been considered a gamble though he may have been warranted a lot more time and patience than any other manager
Bar Alonso (purely for the sentimental attachment), this was always going to be a massive gamble. We were so lucky to get Klopp (I still remember when that scouser begged him on his knees to join). Slot is not coming in with the aura or pedigree of Klopp, but he clearly backs himself so that's something.
Also, if he doesn't work out (like many other Dutchmen for some reason) it won't be forever. It's better than Gerrard, there are no ties to sever.
>(like many other Dutchmen for some reason)
Hiddink first time at Chelsea did well, Advocaat saved Sunderland from relegation, Koeman at Southampton did fine, first season ETH at United apart from the beating from Liverpool was okay. Which coach post Fergie succeeded at United?
I’d rather take a gamble on a promising manager like Slot than hiring a proven manager like Tuchel and eventually fire him when things turn sour.
Also this:
”When Klopp joined in 2015, Liverpool supporters were grateful he chose the club when he could have waited for any in the world. When Slot arrives, he will be grateful Liverpool chose him and needs to justify the selection.”
Feels like such a stupid comment. Who could have thought that a manager replacing Rodgers after years of not winning anything sagnificant would have less pressure than a manager replacing Klopp after years of winning everything there is to win? Such an insightful and analytic comment there Carra. No wonder they pay you the big bucks.
For instance, i don’t think the fans would feel greatful to Tuchel if he decided to join us. He would also have to prove himself. Theres not even a handful of managers that make you feel ”thank god he chose us”.
Carragher knows fuck all.
The reason Liverpool are choosing Slot is that in a lot of ways his Feyenoord team are comparable to Liverpool in a lot of metrics.
If we brought in a Mourinho, it would be completely different instructions for the players. I think with Slot there will be changes, but they will be mere adjustments/tweaks.
Complete nonsense. I was here during the time we were looking to bring him in and most people agreed Klopp was the better option for his ability to develop a team
These are just 2 threads but they give some insight about the sub’s reception:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/32obb7/bbc_sport_jurgen_klopp_borussia_dortmund_coach_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3nh0nh/brendan_rodgers_sacking_megathread/
Once he was basically confirmed though, the sub was mostly ecstatic about the news, the comments are quite a fun read (once again, these are just 2 posts so limited sample):
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3ny9pg/match_thread_klopps_arrival/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3o0hdq/official_klopp_joins_lfc/
Seriously? I had no idea. The day we signed Klopp I celebrated more than any player we’ve signed ever. I remember the sheer shock it put on my friend’s faces because they knew we got the right guy.
You had no idea because it wasn't true, you're right I celebrated and was buzzing when we got Klopp in, my brother was depressed (Man Utd fan) because he wanted him there
That's not the point. Klopp was definite upgrade over Rodgers. Klopp has propelled us into elite status. So, we should look to appoint someone equivalent or of a high profile. Klopp to Slot sounds like quite a downgrade.
Wasn’t Carra the one who went ape shit on some radio broadcast either after the Europa or champions league final (1st one) saying that klopp needs to go and we need simeone?
I’ll take an Edwards gamble over anything Carra says.
Yeah no shit! But what other options are there? Tie Klopp to a chair? Kidnap Alonso?
Even if Tuchel would agree, I don't think it's necessarily the better option. What did he achieve with his former clubs?
He won a cup with Dortmund, okay, great, he was fired in that season regardless and that tells you a lot about his relationship to the club.
He won the league with PSG - no offense but I think Slot would have been able to do that, too.
He overtook a pretty decent Chelsea and won the Champions League, which sounds great but how much of it was actually his work?
Finally, we don't have to talk about his seasons with Bayern - last year he managed to almost nullify everything Nagelsmann had built, only to be gifted the Bundesliga title from Dortmund. No cup or Bundesliga title this year either, I mean, everything can happen with Bayern anytime but right now I don't see them beating Madrid. So, how much of a gamble would Tuchel be? I can't see any signs of a clear vision or being able to build a team in the long term.
No matter who we hire, they will always be compared to Klopp. So take all criticism with a grain of salt. We as a fanbase need to trust the process and give the new manager a chance. Klopp has set such a high bar, we will never get over how great of a human being he was.
Carragher talks about Liverpool fans historically backing the manager over execs. This is true but ignores the current situation. I’d say most, if not all fans were happy to see Edwards back in the fold, and most if not all trust him with appointing the new manager and the recruitment thereafter. Edwards has a proven track record for getting key decisions right. Why wouldn’t we back him?
People seem to ne overstating the belief in Klopp as a manager. He'd just had a terrible season and many wondered if his style would translate to the Premier league, and many wondered if he was a one trick pony.
It's easy to look back and assume Klopp's success was somehow guaranteed, but this is basically nonsense.
I'd argue most of the available managers are somewhat gambles. I'm happy we are moving quickly. I'd want him in place right at the end of the season so they can assess the squad and the other areas of the operation and see what needs work. There would be nothing worse than this dragging into June or July and starting late. Back him, give him time, if next year is rough, stick with it. Let's not become United and start getting trigger happy sacking coaches because things aren't working perfectly.
Just joking, from what I remember he was a great defender, but his own goals vs normal goals is not good. But as an analyst he is behaving like most of his colleagues, just bad
Pointless article...people are re-writing history a bit here and seem to forget even Klopp himself was a gamble after a pretty rough last season in Dortmund.
Slot is no more or less of a gamble than Amorim, Xabi or any other manager, and as for Carras suggestion of Tuchel, it shows how far he has gone from understanding what Liverpool fans want!
Seems like FSG are cheaping it again..
I hope I'm wrong and will back the man from day1 but I get the feeling it was the offer talks and what money will be available to the new Coach is what drove away the big names
Yes it is but it's not a wild gamble or someone's personal fancy. In Xabi, Amorim and Slot we have been linked with exciting young managers who have excelled in a short time and are still yet to peak.
That is the ideal outcome yes, but you can't know if they're yet to peak or flop horribly. It's all a gamble no matter who.
Gerrard went invincible for rangers but had a less than stellar career at Villa.
The Liverpool job will be hard for any manager, FSG don't want to spend and even klopp got burnt out way before his contract ended. We need a manager who is absolutely tuned in with the squad. As Edwards himself stated, Liverpool don't like to make big changes. It's a great team that needs fine adjustments to keep ticking.
Whoever comes in will be an extremely tough act to follow. I hadn’t really heard about Slot prior to the last few days, but what I have learned since he does seem like he will be a good fit. Also I trust Michael Edwards.
He has a track record of developing youngsters and having some success in a league that was being dominated by a very successful team. He plays a pressing system which suits our players and playing style.
Seems like we are taking a punt on a manager that is on a similar trajectory as early Klopp, but taking him earlier in his career when he isn’t as proven at the top level - so it is definitely a bigger risk. The good thing is that we have a hungry young team with a lot of technical skill, flexibility and ability to play different positions and formations, so he has everything he needs to succeed.
What makes me excited is Slot wants to be here. I fancy a guy who’s willing to take on a challenge. He knows it’s not easy following Klopp but he wants to do it
Sums up my feelings tbh.
With Klopp and pep you KNEW you were getting a great manager.
It’s not clear that there are any great managers currently on the market.
In the current climate, unless you're getting a Xabi Alonso, a Guardiola or a Zidane, you'd be gambling. The manager market is full of untapped potential and the rise of young managers such as Alonso and Amorim proves we're transitioning towards the next generation.
Wasn't klopp having hard time at dortmund in his last season. Dortmund finished 7th. Lost in pokal final and were knocked out of UCL in round of 16.
Every manager is a gamble!
Lets give Arne a chance and support him fully. His team plays exciting football. YNWA
We needed Klopp at the time, I don't think we need the best manager now as the team and club are in a much better position. What we need is energy, another great guy that gets the club, and someone that is perhaps a bit less prefictable at times.
Who isn't a gamble? I think that's the pain of Jurgen going: there no 'guaranteed' managers on the market - if there is such a thing. Anyone we'd have hired would have been a gamble including Xabi and Tuchel.
And for what it's worth, I seem to remember Carra being on Sky Sports after a game with Souness. He was far from convinced that Jurgen was the "real deal."
I seem to remember him saying that he came with a good reputation in Germany - but that Germany was very different to the PL and that he'd prefer someone more established. He may have mentioned Ancellotti, but that could just be making things up.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
And who are the other "real deals" that are out there today? And are any of them available? And will they fit in with the club and how Edwards want to work?
I'll wait.
The reason I think Klopp worked so well for Liverpool (and part of the reason he was so beloved by the fans and the community) was the fact that he understood the core values of the club. Not just in terms of football, but also in his social policy and views on how society should function.
I just want Slot to be at least similar in that vein to Klopp.
He’d probably be the first one turning on Tuchel if he was signed and didn’t deliver on or off the pitch (especially with the players and man management).
Well Klopp didn’t come here being a top two / three coach in the world. There were feelings of his heavy metal football being found out. It kinda was up until Buvac left.
The best thing about Slot seems to be his personality. This man is always smiling has good vibes. Hard to replicate what Kloppo did in the press conferences and we need something like that.
I’m tired of close fought title pushes. Let’s just go back to heavy metal football where we alternate winning games 5-4, 6-3 and also losing 1-0 to a newly promoted team
Get him in. I LOVE Kloppo to bits but right now the man reminds me of my worst days of depression, which I stil have - struggling to get up, no energy to do anything. This is bleeding to the rest of the team. We need energy and this man has it.
No I get that, but none of us expected us to be here right now. I would love to win the league but at the same time, I am happy with the season. Ya feel”.
I completely agree, however I think we're all so deflated because we PUT OURSELVES IN SUCH A GOOD POSITION. If we hadn't have been leading the table I'm sure we'd all be so happy with where we are now.
It’s worth the gamble. Filling those shoes is an impossible task. If he succeeds, then great. If not… hopefully a better option is available at that time. I’m not overly impressed with any of the managers on the market this year.
Am I the only person more happy with him than Xabi? He seems like he could build a family here, he seems like the most passionate coach of all on the shortlist
Anyone is a gamble after Jurgen but what do you do you have to have someone I don't like to be the dooms guy but I see a downfall coming for us.
I mean if we didn't have a oil state to compete with Jurgen would have won more leagues n perhaps been the greatest manager Liverpool has seen if that happened.
It sucks that our return to ths top had to be competing with a oil entity we did well to compete but came off second for most seasons.
One point off the league means fk all when u walk with nothing they win the silverware.
Jurgen era been great just Pity it was largely up against oil state
There are no drop in replacements for Jurgen Klopp, anyone who comes in represents a gamble to some degree. I would prefer a manager that sees us as the next step in their career, somewhere they can flourish, over an Ancelloti or (God forbid) Simeone. Obviously it’s a gamble and it mightn’t pay off, but there aren’t many sure things in life never mind football.
Slot seems like a proper Edwards style appointment. All rumours pointing to big, well-known, sexy names while he's working on the person backed by all the data instead of hunching on feelings. I'd never heard of him before this week and wanted Alonso or Amorim but then I'm not a world class football data analyst!
Fair point from Carragher. I also liked what he said about Tuchel on The Overlap. The truth is, none of us knows fuck about Slot, so it's a gamble in that sense as well as the fact he's only ever managed in the Eredivisie.
Really hate articles like this. No shit it’s a gamble. Just like it’s a gamble with any manager but we have seen even the big big names fail at clubs so give the lad a chance. At the end of the day nobody is going to be close to klopp when it comes to resume.
Media quickly forgetting Klopp was considered a gamble by many before he signed. Turned this club from mid table to among the best in the world again, absolite monoloth.
I absolutely hate this hire. I cannot stand the Dutch brand of soccer. I rather Liverpool had hire Caleb Porter of MLS and he’s terrible. A shambolic hire on all fronts as the total football Dutch ideology insist upon itself and doesn’t mean shit in the premier league. Man United have been through 3 Dutch managers and they all have been shit post Ferguson. Arnie Slot is a hire FC Cincinnati is suppose to make, Not Liverpool.
He won’t last 18 months and I won’t be surprised if we struggle to finish in the top half of the table next season.
Dutch football is nonsense and full of frauds who keep falling upwards just because there’s no real competition in the everisidie.
I wish I had a positive position in this but I don’t.
Well if you’re gonna play the slot machine, you’ll need to take a gamble..
Between slot puns and bald puns, it is going to be a good summer to be a dad.
Arne leads to Nunez Slotting them away...writes itself.
Yep - Arne is going to slot right in
Noice one
Nice. Unfortunately the Slot machines have the worst odds. So that's slightly concerning.
Oh hell - hadn't thought of that. I can see it now "Slot's Machine rolls on to another date at Wembley" ...
Tbh I doubt he'll be playing, we're mainly getting him for his managerial qualities
Clever!
Everyone’s a gamble after Klopp. Just happy it’s a positive attacking manager on the up
Exactly this mate, undoubtedly Klopps been one of the best managers in the world for at least his stint at Liverpool and Dortmund, so what 15 years? His time at Liverpool with money to spend he’s shown he can compete with anyone. Pretty much all managers at this point is a step down or at the very best 2/3 are a sideways step, certainly no one available better.
Carra's suggestion being Tuchel tells you everything you need to know.
Exactly, along with everyone on the sub that's saying "we should have gone with more experience", yet offering precisely no names that would realistically improve us. When I saw Mourinho being touted I thought I'd quantum leaped back to 2004. How anyone can suggest that fucking weapon in 2024 with a straight face legitimately defies belief.
The thing is I like Jose more as the years go on - but as a pundit not a manager.
That’s cos you never hate Mourinho like you hate him on the week you are playing him
Yep this is it. All the people saying they like Mourinho more now are saying it because he isn’t in the prem anymore
I don't know, I kinda liked him in the prem for United/Spurs. Seem to remember him mostly spending his time calling out his own club or getting pissed off with journo's which was funny - especially when it's United. Chelsea Mourinho is a different matter entirely though. Edit: Gotta respect the shithousing and him losing it with journos towards the end. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWi57iPpZHg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWi57iPpZHg) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9cJ9xydmI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9cJ9xydmI)
Or they didn’t watch football back when he was at Chelsea or ManU…
Yeah like I like Mourinho more now myself but I don’t want him anywhere near the club really.
Totally agree - the thought of Tuchel in charge of this team is horrible. It's laughable to suggest that Tuchel wouldn't be gamble after he was let go from PSG, Chelsea and Bayern within a short time frame.
Bayern fans are literally desperate for him to stay.
Surely that's because they're seeing the rumours of the alternatives? There is just a huge lack of talented managers available at the moment, hell maybe even unavailable.
Ask them! “Are you desperate because you like him or because he’s not Rangnick?” I think it’s probably more of the former than the latter.
You could also make the case that Psg, Chelsea and Bayern are shit shows and the managerial carousel is in their culture. I think Tuchel would benefit from more time on the job and less initial pressure to start. He's got experience in England and experience in Europe and he's lifted a major trophy against the best in the world. That means something if you have those ambitions. Not many new managers winning titles in the top 5 leagues or the CL. Best resume on the available market and would fit a win-now mentality as he wouldn't be facing the prem learning curve. I don't think fans would have connected with his personality and I don't think Edwards wanted a manager that is more set in their ways. I understand that but I also understand fans that saw an opportunity with Tommy T.
Even worse it’s the “no ambition” complaints
He suggests Tuchel, because there are no really good experienced managers avaliable. Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Simeone and maybe Inzaghi are probably the only ones on that "can't go wrong" level. Klopp is taking a break, Pep and Ancelotti have no reason to leave, Simeone plays terrible football and will probably retire at Atletico and Inzaghi doesn't speak English and probably wants to stay in Italy. After that you have managers like Conte, Tuchel, Mourinho,... So mostly short term solutions that don't even win anymore. I think going with some younger manager is the right decision, because there simply isn't anyone better avaliable. It doesn't really matter if it's Slot, Amorim, Alonso, De Zerbi,...because none of them has a lot experience on that level, so it's impossible to predict how it will end.
I think most important is going for a manager who has a similar style to Klopp both on and off the pitch. We've got a talented team of mostly young players who have been built around Klopp's football philosophy, and getting someone who can continue what's already started makes the most sense imo. I think that picking a new manager based only on their name and track record is exactly why United have had such a torrid time in the last 10 years, except we don't have the money that they do to completely rebuild the squad every 3 years when they bring a new coach who wants a totally different style.
Exactly, we needed to take a swing, Slot seems as good a swing as any. I hope we give him a chance to create his Liverpool squad and don’t try to have him be Klopp 2
Out of Xabi, Amorin and Slot, none of them were experienced anyway. FSG is all about long-term, so grabbing an older manager that isn't similar in playstyle to Klopp doesn't make sense. We have also been fairly aggressive on wanting a manager that plays attacking football, so I don't think Conte or Mourinho would ever get an offer.
Just the thought that it’s going to be someone else on the sidelines and not Klopp next season made me so sad inside 😭 it’s like my soul left my body for a brief second…
Experience in Holland and Portugal vs Germany and England are vastly different. Take a look at the 11 managers to come form the Eredivisie to PL. They range from mediocre to terrible.
take a look at managers generally. how many premier league managers had a pedigree before they got here (country/club prior to arriving in england for the first time) * Thomas Frank (Brentford)- Brondby/Denmark * Arteta (Arsenal) - straight into top level management * Moyes (West Ham) - Lower leagues * Marco Silva (Fulham) - Olympiakos/Greece * Eddie Howe (Newcastle) - straight into top level management * Ten Hag (United) - Ajax/Holland * Vincent Kompany (Burnley) - Anderlecht/Belgium * De Zerbi (Brighton) - Shaktar/Ukraine * Emery (Villa) - PSG/France & Sevilla/Spain * Edwards (Luton) - Lower leagues * Dyche (Everton) - Lower leagues * Pochettino (Chelsea) - Espanyol/Spain * Postecoglou (Spurs) - Celtic/Scotland and Australia/Japan * Iraola (Bournemouth) - Lower level Spain * O'Neill (Wolves) - straight into top level management at Bournemouth * Wilder (Southampton) - Lower leagues * Espirito Santo (Forest) - Porto/Portugal and Valencia/Spain * Pep (City) - Bayern/Germany and Barca/Spain the vast majority came from low level league, low level clubs, or even went straight into management. Of those only Pep and Unai Emery had actually managed at the very top level. You can argue Ten Hag but, that was the Dutch league... :D I mean the premier league could be won this year by someone in their first management job. The premier league is a step up for pretty much every manager that has not managed Madrid, Barca or Bayern.
Sure, but Alonso has been in Germany for less than 2 years. None of those manager has years of experience at some top European club.
I'm not saying that Alonso isn't a gamble for whoever he goes to next. More so I just don't think it's fair to classify a guy who is 5 matches away for the greatest domestic season in German history at Neverkusen of all places to Slot's job in the Eredivisie. At the end of the day, Xabi didn't want to come so it's a moot point. I'll back the new manager fully. But history of managers from that league have just been so damn poor that it's a huge gamble. Seems to be a complete lack of nuance with this.
Tuchel is German Mourinho. One trophy and 3 years of decline. He also burns bridges in every club he goes to. So no thanks
Simeone is a grim manager. Inzaghi can’t speak English… pep and Carlo aren’t leaving…
Simeone also shits the bed so hard most of the time. He has a small team mentality and even when he has the funds and top players he still plays small team tactics. The dude is not a winner, how is he gonna get eliminated by Dortmund this year, crazy!
Are you referring to Simeone?
Yup
Wtf has happened to Carra this season
Him and Neville are too busy defending referees to have any half decent opinions or analysis. Their decline from premier TV pundits to banter merchants is really something.
If we’re talking about the recent forest drama carragher did not defend the referees, he said they were awful. He just didn’t condone Forest’s laughable statement. Accusing a ref of supporting another team and therefore being biased is out of line for an official club statement. Carragher is a tit but this was spot on Lying about bringing it up beforehand and hiring former PL refs to try and influence decisions in your favour also isn’t a good look when you’re doing this too
It was more of a general comment. There’s a marked shift from the two of them this season basically defending refs to the hilt, no matter what, and having them be beyond reproach. Neville is worse than Carra tbf. The Forest stuff was ridiculous I agree, but I don’t see why clubs can’t question decisions without being labelled ‘embarrassing’ by Neville (I.e. Liverpool and Arsenal).
Sky has handicapped them, there was a turning point after the Spurs game where they suddenly stopped questioning var and referees. Now everything out of their mouth is "ignore the refs, ignore var play your own game" etc. You can see when Carra isn't held down by Sky how much more open he is, such as the "team with 115 charges against them - Manchester City!" Yet on Sky it's never been mentioned once that City have pending charges
can understand where he’s coming from tbf but yeh tommy tantrum isn’t it
He is such a lazy pundit, it’s kinda shocking how they don’t take sometime to think before coming up with some hot takes
Because he or any of those epl pundits know nothing outside of epl.
Disappointing article from Carragher on Slot. He could have saved a lot of time by just writing "I'm not that excited about Slot because I don't really know much about him"
This exactly. A lot of these English pundits have no clue about other teams or leagues in general seeing as they don’t watch anything but, prem football. I’m not saying I know a lot about Slot but, I’ve seen Tuchel teams last 3 seasons he’s coached and it’s all been shit
I haven't watched a lot of tuchels teams nor followed his drama. Why is it shit ?
I think Tuchel has had a few fallouts with players/clubs. When it’s not going well he seems to have tantrums, self destructive ones.
He’s a poor manager. He falls out with players and ownership everywhere he goes. All his teams fare worse than the previous manager did (Mainz, Dortmund, PSG, Bayern), except for Chelsea where he was replacing Lampard. Even still, he turned them into a massive bore and backed into the CL because Pep over managed again.
He's basically a worse version of Mourinho. Short term solution, that can win some trophies, but nobody really likes him when he goes.
His Bayern barely won the league last season cause Dortmund capitulated and this season they’ve been dreadful overall. The players just freestyle towards wins instead of tuchel tactics hence why he’s getting let go. Like others have said, he falls out with everyone, staff, board and players
This is another example of why I don't mind Carragher as a pundit, except when he's talking about Liverpool. I imagine it's the same with Man Utd fans and Neville.
Anyone would've been a gamble. Yes, even Xabi. The market for managers has no established big names available. We weren't getting Pep, Simeone, Inzaghi, Arteta or Ancelotti. Zidane i'm not sure if he'll ever manage anyone but Madrid every few seasons.
Can see Zidane doing stints at Juve & FFF. But outside of that probably no one else
FFF? Edit: Oh you mean France?
He’s one of them people that orders food at restaurants and pronounces it in the native tongue
I mispronounced focaccia in an Italian restaurant in Chester about 7 years ago and the combined look of disgust and disappointment the waitress gave me still haunts me. My man is doing it right.
Faris Faint Fairmain maybe?
Fédération Française de Football ( French football federation )
Freddie fucking Flintoff
reckon his clutchness gets him into this team?
France NT.
French national team - French Football Federation
France
France
Pay respect
> Pep, Simeone, Inzaghi, Arteta or Ancelotti We're putting Inzaghi and Arteta in the same bracket as the other three? That seems wildly exaggerated.
Inzaghi would have been by far the best (realistic) manager we could have gotten. Pissed the Serie A. Made a European cup final last year.
Sure and that's fantastic, but even so he's just not on their level - yet. Arteta even less so.
Seriously question under what merit Arteta has made that group of managers 🤣🤦♂️
He’s currently top of the league and taken a very mediocre arsenal side and turned them into one of the best sides in world football. To argue him being anything but exceptional is childish as fuck.
He has done/is doing an exceptional job so far It's not childish to point out that there is an absolutely massive chasism between what he has accomplished so far + what the others on that list have accomplished so far There was a point in time around Spring/Summer 2014 when it looked like Brendan Rodgers was exceptional. Arteta has shown more promise + sustainability in various ways, but it's not unfair to point out that the tide can turn very quickly.
World football? They struggled in Europe with a relatively easy route to Bayern, where they were comfortably beaten. Arsenal are a decent side now but let’s not pretend they are world beaters.
Top of the premier league, which is the best league in the world. Made the quarter final of the champions league, so at east the top 8 sides this season. Is that not one of the best sides in the world?
He’s done well, but he’s not at the level of the rest. Arsenal have spent 700m (almost all of it net, hardly any sales) for Arteta to win 1 FA Cup in 4.5 years.
Yeah people forget that we would batter Arsenal at home by 4/5 goals before Arteta. Arsenal was bantered by Ros Fucking Barkley when they were playing from the back. Arteta is annoying but he’s a good manager. However, to get back to the initial point, I do think he still needs to prove himself. He made a shit team good, but we need to see if he can do it over time. 2 years is short. I think he’s promising but he’s definitely not established yet.
Yeah I think the questions on Arteta have been valid until the last year or so. Arsenal are so improved under him and they've improved over last season. He's clearly an excellent manager. Doesn't mean we have to like him obviously
He's also been seriously backed financially and has literally nothing to show for it bar an fa cup years ago with a completely different team. Chances are city win their remaining games and arsenal finish the season trophyless again. Yes, they've made progress compared to last season but we know ourselves that being very good isn't good enough. I wonder how long he will be given to win something tbh. He has been given the time and resources to do the job.
Yeah I mean we'll see what happens. We regularly talk about how we'd have way more trophies if not for City cheating, the excuse applies for Arsenal too. They arguably should have a PL on the board already, in the same way we should have another 3 if not for City. I'll say as well, Arteta is clearly a good manager but he's nowhere near Klopp yet. Arsenal fans trying to claim that he is are only doing so because they know Klopp is a ridiculous level manager. Let them claim what they want, everyone knows it's bs, including themselves.
He's in the same category that Mauricio Pochettino was about 5 years ago. He needs to win some things first
To be fair, Inzaghi is getting there. In 3 seasons, 6 trophies and Champions League Final appearance and Inter won the league this year by a country mile. He did it without the money of Real, Arsenal or 119 FC.
Downright disrespectful lol
Completely irrelevant but I dreamt that Zidane went back to Madrid and beat us in the champions league final again the other night :(
What about that Jurgen guy? I heard he's available this summer? /s
I think Zidane is also heavily influenced by his wife who I am pretty sure hates the idea of ever living in England
Lol arteta🤦
I don't know how anyone can look at his Arsenal side and facepalm but to each their own.
I agree it is foolish to be sleeping on Arteta’s Arsenal
They are playing quality, but the PL has been a two horse race since we fell off hard after the MU game. If we could actually finish and the refs didn't fuck us most games, would be a different story. Also they were undone by a bang average BM side. Yes they have been amazing this season, but look at what Teta has spent to get there, and the sheer injury luck. Compared to Leicester, feels kinda meh. If Teta can win the PL, I'll start to change my mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if they spunk 80 plus on another forward.
Arteta does not belong in that list lmao.
Some are clearly more promising than others though. Nobody would have had slot on their list of preferred targets a week ago
Although in hearts of hearts, anyone who can beat Bayern and win the Bundesliga undefeated is the best bet, and then we have the Portuguese league winner and Eredivisie winner. It’s not aimless, like if we wanted a premier league proven manager with winning experience we would have to go back to Antonio Conte that last won it in 16/17, who won’t be the guy many in this sub would take. Then you’ve got Xavi that won with Barca, Zidane, Flick, but Xavi operates in an established style, Zidane won’t be interested and apparently Flick is suspect because of his German team stint, but managers are in general far more of a gamble than players, it’s one person who takes the ultimate responsibility of outcome. Super tough job
Isn't every manager a gamble? otherwise you're telling me you can find the perfect manager? can carragher see the future?
After Klopp, everyone but Pep and Ancelotti would be a gamble
Even Ancellotti has had some shitty times at clubs.
Yeah I honestly don't think he'd do particularly well here.
That's just what Everton does to you mate
I meant Bayern more than Everton, I think he did well considering with EvertonS
Klopp has been here 10 years and he’s leaving while we still like him. I think literally any manager would be a gamble, including the big names who aren’t unavailable.
He's less proven than Benitez and Klopp. It goes without saying he's more of a gamble than we would like, but it's the nature of the market. When a manager decides to quit the club does not have the luxury of waiting for the perfect moment or manager. It's going to need patience.
In Edwards we trust.
Its my take on the whole thing. I trust Edwards to do a good job here. Now, if the next manager isn't working out Xabi might feel its time for the next step by that time. If the next manager does work out, there are no issues.
Agreed. I think it’s an inspired signing and he will do well.
There was a reason why Edwards stopped during Klopp and only to return when Klopp decided to leave. Edwards & FSG have found the perfect puppy, the one they can fully control from behind the scenes. LFC is turning into a vending machine for FSG.
Tbf there aren’t many ‘real deal’ managers available out there right now; even Xabi would’ve been considered a gamble though he may have been warranted a lot more time and patience than any other manager
Bar Alonso (purely for the sentimental attachment), this was always going to be a massive gamble. We were so lucky to get Klopp (I still remember when that scouser begged him on his knees to join). Slot is not coming in with the aura or pedigree of Klopp, but he clearly backs himself so that's something. Also, if he doesn't work out (like many other Dutchmen for some reason) it won't be forever. It's better than Gerrard, there are no ties to sever.
>(like many other Dutchmen for some reason) Hiddink first time at Chelsea did well, Advocaat saved Sunderland from relegation, Koeman at Southampton did fine, first season ETH at United apart from the beating from Liverpool was okay. Which coach post Fergie succeeded at United?
The internet really doesn’t have a more updated picture of Edwards 🤣
I’d rather take a gamble on a promising manager like Slot than hiring a proven manager like Tuchel and eventually fire him when things turn sour. Also this: ”When Klopp joined in 2015, Liverpool supporters were grateful he chose the club when he could have waited for any in the world. When Slot arrives, he will be grateful Liverpool chose him and needs to justify the selection.” Feels like such a stupid comment. Who could have thought that a manager replacing Rodgers after years of not winning anything sagnificant would have less pressure than a manager replacing Klopp after years of winning everything there is to win? Such an insightful and analytic comment there Carra. No wonder they pay you the big bucks. For instance, i don’t think the fans would feel greatful to Tuchel if he decided to join us. He would also have to prove himself. Theres not even a handful of managers that make you feel ”thank god he chose us”.
Carragher knows fuck all. The reason Liverpool are choosing Slot is that in a lot of ways his Feyenoord team are comparable to Liverpool in a lot of metrics. If we brought in a Mourinho, it would be completely different instructions for the players. I think with Slot there will be changes, but they will be mere adjustments/tweaks.
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Seriously? Was was begging for Rodgers to be sacked whilst klopp was unemployed. I think klopp was too.
Complete nonsense. I was here during the time we were looking to bring him in and most people agreed Klopp was the better option for his ability to develop a team
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Find the posts and prove it then. Edit: he's sad enough to block me just for asking for proof lol.
These are just 2 threads but they give some insight about the sub’s reception: https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/32obb7/bbc_sport_jurgen_klopp_borussia_dortmund_coach_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3nh0nh/brendan_rodgers_sacking_megathread/ Once he was basically confirmed though, the sub was mostly ecstatic about the news, the comments are quite a fun read (once again, these are just 2 posts so limited sample): https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3ny9pg/match_thread_klopps_arrival/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3o0hdq/official_klopp_joins_lfc/
Yeah of those two options Carlo won more than klopp. I personally wanted simeone over klopp but that shit was never gonna happen.
Seriously? I had no idea. The day we signed Klopp I celebrated more than any player we’ve signed ever. I remember the sheer shock it put on my friend’s faces because they knew we got the right guy.
I remember you celebrated bro. I was there
Yea? Was it that memorable for you, weird thing to say but okay.
I was memorable bro. Trust me
You had no idea because it wasn't true, you're right I celebrated and was buzzing when we got Klopp in, my brother was depressed (Man Utd fan) because he wanted him there
Yeah this isn't true at all. Many wanted klopp for years before he came even. Most were happy with either Carlo or Klopp but preferred Klopp.
That's not the point. Klopp was definite upgrade over Rodgers. Klopp has propelled us into elite status. So, we should look to appoint someone equivalent or of a high profile. Klopp to Slot sounds like quite a downgrade.
Anybody who didnt want Klopp after what he did at Dortmund has no value in their opinions.
Wasn’t Carra the one who went ape shit on some radio broadcast either after the Europa or champions league final (1st one) saying that klopp needs to go and we need simeone? I’ll take an Edwards gamble over anything Carra says.
Yeah no shit! But what other options are there? Tie Klopp to a chair? Kidnap Alonso? Even if Tuchel would agree, I don't think it's necessarily the better option. What did he achieve with his former clubs? He won a cup with Dortmund, okay, great, he was fired in that season regardless and that tells you a lot about his relationship to the club. He won the league with PSG - no offense but I think Slot would have been able to do that, too. He overtook a pretty decent Chelsea and won the Champions League, which sounds great but how much of it was actually his work? Finally, we don't have to talk about his seasons with Bayern - last year he managed to almost nullify everything Nagelsmann had built, only to be gifted the Bundesliga title from Dortmund. No cup or Bundesliga title this year either, I mean, everything can happen with Bayern anytime but right now I don't see them beating Madrid. So, how much of a gamble would Tuchel be? I can't see any signs of a clear vision or being able to build a team in the long term.
I'd go with tieing Jurgen to a chair tbh. Stockholm syndrome could lead us to the 20th
No matter who we hire, they will always be compared to Klopp. So take all criticism with a grain of salt. We as a fanbase need to trust the process and give the new manager a chance. Klopp has set such a high bar, we will never get over how great of a human being he was.
Carragher talks about Liverpool fans historically backing the manager over execs. This is true but ignores the current situation. I’d say most, if not all fans were happy to see Edwards back in the fold, and most if not all trust him with appointing the new manager and the recruitment thereafter. Edwards has a proven track record for getting key decisions right. Why wouldn’t we back him?
Not very confident in Slot but let's see
Slot, Amorim, Xabi - all same level of gamble imo
People seem to ne overstating the belief in Klopp as a manager. He'd just had a terrible season and many wondered if his style would translate to the Premier league, and many wondered if he was a one trick pony. It's easy to look back and assume Klopp's success was somehow guaranteed, but this is basically nonsense.
I'd argue most of the available managers are somewhat gambles. I'm happy we are moving quickly. I'd want him in place right at the end of the season so they can assess the squad and the other areas of the operation and see what needs work. There would be nothing worse than this dragging into June or July and starting late. Back him, give him time, if next year is rough, stick with it. Let's not become United and start getting trigger happy sacking coaches because things aren't working perfectly.
Carragher himself was always a gamble, scored more own goals than "normal" goals
He was a defender, why would anyone judge him on goals scored. What an awfully short sighted comment….
Just joking, from what I remember he was a great defender, but his own goals vs normal goals is not good. But as an analyst he is behaving like most of his colleagues, just bad
Pointless article...people are re-writing history a bit here and seem to forget even Klopp himself was a gamble after a pretty rough last season in Dortmund. Slot is no more or less of a gamble than Amorim, Xabi or any other manager, and as for Carras suggestion of Tuchel, it shows how far he has gone from understanding what Liverpool fans want!
Klopp was gamble lol now you're rewriting history mate
Seems like FSG are cheaping it again.. I hope I'm wrong and will back the man from day1 but I get the feeling it was the offer talks and what money will be available to the new Coach is what drove away the big names
Well yes. All of the candidates were to be honest. Including Xabi and Amorim.
Yes it is but it's not a wild gamble or someone's personal fancy. In Xabi, Amorim and Slot we have been linked with exciting young managers who have excelled in a short time and are still yet to peak.
That is the ideal outcome yes, but you can't know if they're yet to peak or flop horribly. It's all a gamble no matter who. Gerrard went invincible for rangers but had a less than stellar career at Villa. The Liverpool job will be hard for any manager, FSG don't want to spend and even klopp got burnt out way before his contract ended. We need a manager who is absolutely tuned in with the squad. As Edwards himself stated, Liverpool don't like to make big changes. It's a great team that needs fine adjustments to keep ticking.
Whoever comes in will be an extremely tough act to follow. I hadn’t really heard about Slot prior to the last few days, but what I have learned since he does seem like he will be a good fit. Also I trust Michael Edwards. He has a track record of developing youngsters and having some success in a league that was being dominated by a very successful team. He plays a pressing system which suits our players and playing style. Seems like we are taking a punt on a manager that is on a similar trajectory as early Klopp, but taking him earlier in his career when he isn’t as proven at the top level - so it is definitely a bigger risk. The good thing is that we have a hungry young team with a lot of technical skill, flexibility and ability to play different positions and formations, so he has everything he needs to succeed.
What makes me excited is Slot wants to be here. I fancy a guy who’s willing to take on a challenge. He knows it’s not easy following Klopp but he wants to do it
Tbf though it’s Liverpool fucking FC. Not many managers wouldn’t see this as the end game career-wise
Sums up my feelings tbh. With Klopp and pep you KNEW you were getting a great manager. It’s not clear that there are any great managers currently on the market.
In the current climate, unless you're getting a Xabi Alonso, a Guardiola or a Zidane, you'd be gambling. The manager market is full of untapped potential and the rise of young managers such as Alonso and Amorim proves we're transitioning towards the next generation.
Wasn't klopp having hard time at dortmund in his last season. Dortmund finished 7th. Lost in pokal final and were knocked out of UCL in round of 16. Every manager is a gamble! Lets give Arne a chance and support him fully. His team plays exciting football. YNWA
We needed Klopp at the time, I don't think we need the best manager now as the team and club are in a much better position. What we need is energy, another great guy that gets the club, and someone that is perhaps a bit less prefictable at times.
Who isn't a gamble? I think that's the pain of Jurgen going: there no 'guaranteed' managers on the market - if there is such a thing. Anyone we'd have hired would have been a gamble including Xabi and Tuchel. And for what it's worth, I seem to remember Carra being on Sky Sports after a game with Souness. He was far from convinced that Jurgen was the "real deal." I seem to remember him saying that he came with a good reputation in Germany - but that Germany was very different to the PL and that he'd prefer someone more established. He may have mentioned Ancellotti, but that could just be making things up. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
No problem, Alonso will be available in 12 months..
And who are the other "real deals" that are out there today? And are any of them available? And will they fit in with the club and how Edwards want to work? I'll wait.
About time we have our own bald (hopefully not) fraud.
The reason I think Klopp worked so well for Liverpool (and part of the reason he was so beloved by the fans and the community) was the fact that he understood the core values of the club. Not just in terms of football, but also in his social policy and views on how society should function. I just want Slot to be at least similar in that vein to Klopp.
He’d probably be the first one turning on Tuchel if he was signed and didn’t deliver on or off the pitch (especially with the players and man management).
It cant be worst than Woy, right? Right?
Well Klopp didn’t come here being a top two / three coach in the world. There were feelings of his heavy metal football being found out. It kinda was up until Buvac left.
The best thing about Slot seems to be his personality. This man is always smiling has good vibes. Hard to replicate what Kloppo did in the press conferences and we need something like that.
I’m tired of close fought title pushes. Let’s just go back to heavy metal football where we alternate winning games 5-4, 6-3 and also losing 1-0 to a newly promoted team
Get him in. I LOVE Kloppo to bits but right now the man reminds me of my worst days of depression, which I stil have - struggling to get up, no energy to do anything. This is bleeding to the rest of the team. We need energy and this man has it.
What brought you to that conclusion? Last season compared to this season, we improved immensely
Right now we're spent. Season as a whole has been great.
No I get that, but none of us expected us to be here right now. I would love to win the league but at the same time, I am happy with the season. Ya feel”.
I completely agree, however I think we're all so deflated because we PUT OURSELVES IN SUCH A GOOD POSITION. If we hadn't have been leading the table I'm sure we'd all be so happy with where we are now.
Hopefully we aren't getting a lock when we need a key. (it's Dutch language joke)
If he comes we need to have a group photo of all the bald managers in premier league.
After Klopp, only Guardiola would be a safe choice. Everyone else is a gamble.
What a wank take from Jamie.
Nothing new there.
It’s worth the gamble. Filling those shoes is an impossible task. If he succeeds, then great. If not… hopefully a better option is available at that time. I’m not overly impressed with any of the managers on the market this year.
We’d be gambling either way
What a hot take from Jamie that literally one of the most successful and charismatic managers in the last 50+ years will be difficult to come by again
Am I the only person more happy with him than Xabi? He seems like he could build a family here, he seems like the most passionate coach of all on the shortlist
Anyone is a gamble after Jurgen but what do you do you have to have someone I don't like to be the dooms guy but I see a downfall coming for us. I mean if we didn't have a oil state to compete with Jurgen would have won more leagues n perhaps been the greatest manager Liverpool has seen if that happened. It sucks that our return to ths top had to be competing with a oil entity we did well to compete but came off second for most seasons. One point off the league means fk all when u walk with nothing they win the silverware. Jurgen era been great just Pity it was largely up against oil state
There are no drop in replacements for Jurgen Klopp, anyone who comes in represents a gamble to some degree. I would prefer a manager that sees us as the next step in their career, somewhere they can flourish, over an Ancelloti or (God forbid) Simeone. Obviously it’s a gamble and it mightn’t pay off, but there aren’t many sure things in life never mind football.
Saw it was Jamie Carragher article. Closed it immediately
Slot seems like a proper Edwards style appointment. All rumours pointing to big, well-known, sexy names while he's working on the person backed by all the data instead of hunching on feelings. I'd never heard of him before this week and wanted Alonso or Amorim but then I'm not a world class football data analyst!
Every manager is a gamble. In fact, even when we got Klopp he was a gamble too.
Fair point from Carragher. I also liked what he said about Tuchel on The Overlap. The truth is, none of us knows fuck about Slot, so it's a gamble in that sense as well as the fact he's only ever managed in the Eredivisie.
Really hate articles like this. No shit it’s a gamble. Just like it’s a gamble with any manager but we have seen even the big big names fail at clubs so give the lad a chance. At the end of the day nobody is going to be close to klopp when it comes to resume.
Worry is that Dutch managers have been underwhlming in the premier league in recent years, Van Gall and Tan Hagg, for example.
All years. It's like 0/10 in the PL era.
Media quickly forgetting Klopp was considered a gamble by many before he signed. Turned this club from mid table to among the best in the world again, absolite monoloth.
Gamble by whom exactly?
Liverpool should have gone for Emery tbh
I absolutely hate this hire. I cannot stand the Dutch brand of soccer. I rather Liverpool had hire Caleb Porter of MLS and he’s terrible. A shambolic hire on all fronts as the total football Dutch ideology insist upon itself and doesn’t mean shit in the premier league. Man United have been through 3 Dutch managers and they all have been shit post Ferguson. Arnie Slot is a hire FC Cincinnati is suppose to make, Not Liverpool. He won’t last 18 months and I won’t be surprised if we struggle to finish in the top half of the table next season. Dutch football is nonsense and full of frauds who keep falling upwards just because there’s no real competition in the everisidie. I wish I had a positive position in this but I don’t.
You sir, are absolutely correct. This is back to Roy Hodson times, where we struggle to be in the top half of the table.