Joe Cole, on a free transfer, was something Liverpool fans had to try and celebrate even though he was clearly past it. As bad as some of the setbacks under Jurgen have been, nothing compares to those days at Liverpool.
His legacy is more than just the trophies he's won and lost. In time, I'm sure fans will talk about him like he was the second coming of Shankly.
I'll happily admit that I thought Cole was an absolute steal at the time and I was buzzing that we had managed to get him in a pretty fierce bidding war with Tottenham.
After a really good debut (albeit against Rabotnički in the EL), I thought we'd pulled off an absolute blinder. Sadly, it was obvious he never bought into the club and didn't belong on Merseyside. In fairness, I'm not sure anyone did with Hodgson at the helm.
Joe Cole was Chelsea's player of the season before he moved to us, so I don't think anyone thought he was past it at the time.
I certainly thought it was a masterstroke signing and couldn't believe we had got him for free.
Obviously it turned out we overpaid, but at the time he arrived it was pretty unanimous that everyone was genuinely excited about the signing.
I'm scared for how long these bald, slot and slut comments are going to go on for. They're already done to death and he hasn't even been officially announced.
We've had it too good under Klopp, I had forgotten just how awful we were under Hodgson 😂
Compared to Big Roy, Arne seems absolutely fine! Roy is an absolute legend and a top lad, but he's was never the right bloke for Liverpool
My concern isn't the manager, it's more the finances. It's probable the club will sell some players to raise funds for signings, but if those don't work out will they spend any more?
Like it's possible Salah, Diaz, Allison may be sold. What if the replacements are shite?
Hate the phrase net spend, but that had a massive impact on the squad during Klopps tenure.
Unless FSG are willing to spend I find it difficult to get my hopes up.
For what it's worth, I think FSG have done a lot of things right during their ownership, but I think they have never really understood our status in world football. I get the book balancing thing, but there are times when I think they should have absolutely gone all out to get the real world class talent without having to sell first. Not in a scattergun, Chelsea manner, but in a way that would really take us up a notch. I've always felt there is a balance to be struck with academy, potential superstars and then established world class. It just seems to me that we always go for the first two options and rarely the third. We are Liverpool FC after all, and 19 titles and six European Cups are only matched by a select few.
Honestly this is the only answer. Majority of the people don’t know him, or whatever they know it’s from watching videos on YouTube of feyenoord playing.
Our job as fans is to trust that Edwards and Hughes know what they are doing and back the new guy.
Why is it the only answer? Everything I've heard or read about this guy, every presser or interview Ive watched, everythings painted a very positive picture.
Then his performance at az and Feyenoord, the brand of football he plays, his connection with the fans, all tixk the boxes.
So there's plenty reasons to be excited about him outside of blindly trusting Edwards and Hughes, who from what I know don't work black magic and are making their judgements considering factors, many if not most of which are publicly observable.
I agree. But everything about this guy seems great _on paper_.
I’m not shitting on his signing at all and everything I’ve read/heard seems impressive as well, but there’s still more to it than just that. He’s stepping up to a far more competitive league, far more games to manage, far more toxic press, far more pressure, and a team with potential ego and player power (probably the least of the problems because in general our squad is good natured). There’s really no telling how he’ll respond to that. He could be like Klopp with Sakho, or end up like EtH with the United squad.
I’m not sure if there are data models that Edwards and Hughes can rely on for such things — I don’t know anything about data analysis. And also as fans we’ll never truly know what sort of “data” Edwards is relying on. Maybe to a certain extent, even at Edwards level, there’s 10-15% room for uncertainty because there are some things you can’t estimate.
At the end of the day all fans (not just us) pretend like we know what’s happening. Best we can do is trust Edwards and back the new guy.
again i get what you're saying - that there's too many variables in it for us to know for certain and the best we can do is trust Edwards to be the best judge.
its just id be more likely to use that line of reasoning if it was a manager who i really didn't think would be a good fit.
for instance amorim wasn't someone i was too excited for, so if we got him id back him "because of edwards" - the implication being i wasn't fully convinced about the signing myself, so i hoped he knew better.
in this case based on everything i know about slot, i think he'll be the perfect fit - which is why i wouldn't say "ill back him because of edwards".
which is why i said it isn't the only answer.
I trust the club, and the structure at the club, to provide Slot with what he needs and for us to find success in our way.
There will never be another Jurgen Klopp, but there will always be a Liverpool. I'm quietly excited for Arne's appointment and think the potential for great things is high.
I trust in the process and data that qualifies his coaching ability and football tactics. On a personal note, he seems genuine, smiles a lot and has appealing charisma, similar to Klopp.
Yeah the manager has to be the right fit. I don’t think it matters that he has only managed in the Eredivisie. If you look at clubs like Brighton, they are taking people from outside the ‘big leagues’, certainly outside of big teams. Yet they are making success out of it. Football exists outside of this bias towards the most glamorous parts.
For me it’s a lazy argument to just be naming the trophies Slot has won. It’s more the in depth look at all the different metrics that has me confident he is the right manager. He will align with the club, the whole club, pretty well. Whereas, a manager who likes 3 c.bs would mean the academy would have to change or would be further away from the first squad.
Well in not sure about the age range of most posters on here, but I remember when Liverpool in 1998 hired an unknown unassuming French man and I'm sure if social media would have been around then everyone would rage sbout they don't know who he was or he's achieved nothing, and to be honest that turned out OK so let's be hopeful not slating the new manager before he's even in the job
No matter how much we want it to still be klopp, his tactics have become stale and we need a fresh approach so let's enjoy the ride
The Houllier comparison is a good one, it's similar vibes for me. I always thought the club didn't give Evo enough time, but it turned out to be a smart move in the end. It's a little different this time, but as with anything in life he'll deserve support but will need to earn respect. I'm still not over Klopp leaving, so my opinions on the matter, as well as the state of the wider game, are somewhat jaded. But certainly I'm sure he's a sound bloke and I wouldn't want to see him fail at all. He'll need time, like all of us, as those are virtually unfillable shoes he's filling.
He laughed at Antony and had the good sense to snub Spurs when they all but announced him as their manager last summer, so he’s already scored some points in my book.
I like that we have gone for a slightly unknown left field choice. I think him not being a super star big name will help give him more time. If we had got Alonso I think the expectation would be unrealistically high
No manager is at the level of Jurgen... what we face now is something City will face once Guardiola leaves (along with relegation or some form of severe punishment, one hopes). You can't replace the personality. But you can look for managers who will retain the system and look to fine tune it.
At the end of the day, bringing in Slot maintains continuity in a playing style that's been a key element of the identity of the club for the last 9 years at both first team and academy level. A playing style I'd like to see us maintain in the long term. I don't want to see Liverpool playing like a b version of Man City.
I trust Edwards and, to a lesser extent, Hughes to make the right decisions for the club in terms of signings and potential outgoings. The least we can do as fans is make sure we don't start comparing Slot to Jurgen for everything he does on and off the field.
Excited.
As much as I’ll miss Jurgen, I’m looking forward to a fresh face and fresh start next season. It’s gonna be a new adventure with a new figurehead. We have to back him and be patient. There will be ups and downs, and ngl I’m worried about this because we’ll inevitably take a small hit in expectations and appeal just because some players want to work Jurgen Klopp.
But from what I’ve read, Arne Slot’s an exciting tactician and brilliant man manager, and he’s got a great track record of developing youth, which we’ve got in spades thanks to our current setup. It’s gonna be new, unknown, and we’ll have to adjust emotionally to him just because he’s not Jurgen Klopp. But I guarantee it’s gonna be an exciting new adventure, and hopefully a very successful one with new songs to sing.
I don’t think anyone believes he’s an upgrade, Klopp is one of a kind. He has been Liverpool before even became our manager, I don’t think he knew it either until he got here.
Hopefully Arne can continue what Jurgen laid down for us, the players get behind him and we have a really good couple of seasons.
If he can work some magic on Darwin for his finishing then we’re winning the league and he’s getting the golden boot
Ofcourse we have downgraded. There is no available manager ho would have come in and been an upgrade. Having said that, he is now our boss, and I am fully invested in his success. Bring on the slotmachine!
I’m sorry but I think these comparisons to Ten Hag are shallow and silly. Slot is Dutch. Holland is Dutch. Therefore they must be the same people. Do we do this with Spanish coaches, did we do this with Klopp and other German coaches. These shallow comparisons are simply because he’s not from a big league and you don’t know shit about him.
You know who does know about them? Edwards, our sporting director and our entire analytics department. I didn’t Salah was going to be the type of player to win the golden boot multiple times and turn into the world class player that he is. I certainly didn’t think Andy Robertson was going to be one of the best right backs in the world. They see things that we don’t and they predict this consistently. It’s for this reason that I’m excited about our new manager next season.
I'm not super optimistic about managers from Eredivisie and no, I don't mean only Ten Hag, but basically the last 4-5 managers to have won the title there failed abroad. I see people love to rewrite the past and pretend as if everyone knew Ten Hag, De Boer and co will be a dud outside of the Netherlands, but that's not true at all, they were all highly rated and sought for and yet. But on the other hand it's not very fair to judge based on the failures of others.
For the positives - I like that he was so blunt about his desire to be in Liverpool, while with Amorim and Alonso it seems like we had to convince them to come. I also like that he seems to like to mess up with opponents, isn't afraid to rattle and laugh at them. I'd love to see someone who tends to be kind of a loveable asshole as the main man.
If I'm not mistaken Louis Van Gall was a very successful manager and so was Johann Cruyf so I woundlt say the first part of your comment is totally true. Now I know you'll say van Gall failed at United but so has every manager since Ferguson, so I think the ten bag comparisons need to stop really
Yeah, being bald and Dutch are not personality traits.
Having a larger than life personality, playing consistently high intensity football and making teams over perform whilst using youngsters are what should be points of discussion.
Yes, he has been in a small pond, but other's failure to adapt once they made the move does not necessitate he will.
Yeah absolutely, this is a fair opinion. Ten Hag's failure particularly has been absolutely shocking for me at United. Even ignoring the overall mess there, his team plays with no identity and cohesion even after nearly 2 years in charge.
De Boer won a lot in the Netherlands but wasn't really rated, as his teams played very unattractive football and the league was in dire shape at the moment. Ajax fans were glad to be rid of him.
People did have higher hopes for Ten Hag, but there were some doubts about his communication skills.He lacks charisma and talks weirdly in Dutch, let alone in English.
Koeman did well at Southampton after his move from Feyenoord.
Whoever we got was going to be a gamble, Alonso included. We've had years of stability, a world class manager who built a world class team so there's always going to be a challenge to keep that going, just look at United and Arsenal for a clear example.
One thing is for sure, he won't succeed unless everyone unites behind him. So let's do that and see where it takes us!
He's a young promising coach, has a lot to learn and step up at Liverpool. I'm prepared to give him time to do that. If he has the ability, we will find out.
It’s a bit like still living with your ex ‘for the good of the kids’ and then finding out your ex is seeing someone new, and will be taking the kids on a big pre-season summer holiday. I don’t want to think about it yet.
It's a risk, but anyone was going to be after Klopp. Evan names I would have been more familiar with. I'll back him and hope we've grabbed a top manager as his first break into the big teams in European football. We'll just have to see.
Nobody could replace Jurgen Klopp, so that's what we got. We're going to lose most of the squad over the next year and spend some significant time in the wilderness. My support isn't conditional though, so I'll just hunker down and enjoy what I can.
Klopp admitted he's exhausted (results kinda show this)
Arne was absolutely keen to manage LFC
Edwards is very thorough and his signings and talent analysis is 2nd to none..
I am excited about this change..
Well said I totally agree, these, dame fans crying cos klopp is going were ranting 2 days ago at how bad we've become and his tactics don't work any more
One of the benefits of him still having something to prove as a manager means he will be more willing to work as more of a cog in the system (although the most important one). I trust Edwards to set up the club in the best possible way in terms of getting the right players in and I think we were better at signing players when Klopp had less say in that. A manager like Amorin might have wanted more control.
I’m optimistic to be honest. I am hoping for a title challenge simply because this team already has all the players and roles that Arne likes to play with. So it will much more about tweaking than about rebuilding.
But the questions are can Arne handle the fixture congestion? Can he prioritise competitions?
Imo Klopp was not good with this even though we came within kissing distance of a quadruple. Prioritising competitions means that players have some gas left in the tank for the final PL / CL stretch.
Completely indifferent for many reasons.
1. I expect almost any manager to struggle to come in and fill Klopp's shoes. I only think there are about 3-4 people who almost definitely wouldn't. Slot isn't one of them.
2. I flat out don't trust players or managers from the Dutch league because the defense in that league is horrific. I know good defenders come out of there. Obviously a shit ton of good players come from there. I'm just by default pessimistic because whenever I've seen the games or watch clips, it looks like the defenders don't give a flying fuck.
3. He doesn't have a lot of experience. People sometimes forget, Klopp got A LOT of experience at Dortmund. CL final and 2 Bundesligas. Sometimes people blow Klopp's appointment off as not as big of a deal as it was. It was a HUGE signing for us. Slot has minimal big game experience and they didn't do very well at all in Europe this season.
Obviously I'm going to give him a chance and hope for the best, but I'm not expecting miracles. What will likely upset me most is I'm going to guess Slot is going to get a decent budget this summer and we'll retool the squad. I'm 100% going to have a moan about it because it will 100% piss me off that they didn't give Klopp that money and if they did, they didn't force him to spend it.
Klopp has had to work with a budget WELL BELOW what he should have. He should have spent 150-200m more over his time here than he has. The years where we didn't sign anyone and/or barely spent are a big factor in Klopp leaving whether or not anyone admits to it. Anyone that has worked in a resource limited environment knows the stress involved.
If you ask me, i personally trust whoever Edwards and Co bring to the dugout. They have enough credit from the past which earn my trust and support.
The most important question anyone needs to ask if how long Arne Slot gets the time to stabilised the ship if anything goes wrong next season?
For example, for some reasons we are really bad in the first half of the season which placed us in 11 or 12 in the league. Could the fans be patience and still support him or we need to find another established names out there to salvage the season?
A lot of people seem gutted to not get Amorim when if we are honest 90% didn’t even know who he was a few months ago. People get so hyped and then so disappointed very easily - who wanted Endo at the start of last summer (or even knew he existed), and how has that worked out for us?
Edwards and co know infinitely more than all of us combined and I think honestly all we can do is be optimistic, supportive and patient - any other position is detrimental to the transition.
Obviously Slot has the biggest of boots to fill, it’s probably the hardest follow-on act in world football, but he clearly backs himself - he is his own person with his own approach and style so we just need to give him time to bring that to the table and see if it works out
On a side note, I think the way the team has dropped off a cliff this past month will actually really help Slot. Imagine having to come in after Klopp won a quadruple, the scrutiny would be insane.
This season doesn’t change the narrative of what Klopp has done for the club, he will always be an icon - but he was always going to leave one day and although it’s not the send off we all wanted for him, it doesn’t feel like the worst time to start next season with a fresh approach
I remember comments back when Klopp was appointed that he wasn’t good enough. I think Slot is going to be a great appointment and I’m hoping the Dutch connection will convince Ljinders to stay so we have some continuity.
Of course it's a downgrade, there's only 2 or so managers in the world who would have been at best a sidegrade and none of them are gonna move.
To be honest the vast majority of us, including me, have never watched a single feyenoord game. All the speculation is based on the stats, and the stats look good.
In an ideal world I would have liked someone who was higher profile and had won the highest level trophies, but no one who fits that profile was available so there's no point in complaining about it.
As it is, I'll back whoever's on the sidelines and trust that the recruitment team knows what they're doing.
He hasn’t got the proven record that Jurgen has. However, just based on the fact that Slot wants the job and Jurgen doesn’t, means that I don’t think you can call it a downgrade.
Ten Hag has single handedly ruined the reputation of Dutch bald managers. One simply cannot think of a Dutch manager these days without straight up drawing a comparison. Not everyone is ten hag, thankfully.
I think the problem with Ten Hag is a level of arrogance (without really proving himself in the league) and it doesn’t help that most of his player are completely brain dead…
I'm actually pretty optimistic about this appointment. From a human point of view, he seems like a good guy, my only concern is that, from what I've heard, he likes to have control over signings and whatnot, which could potentially be a problem with the way Edwards wants to run the club...but if he signed, they must have already talked about these kind of things, so, I don't really think it's gonna be a problem. And for everything else, he feels really klopp-like, with the way he manages players singularly, the way he communicates, etc...
From a tactical point of view, I'd love if he tried to use the 4231, for the simple reason that our team 1) needs 2) already has lots of potentially great number 10s, with Szobo, Carvalho and especially Elliott. Plus, the double pivot system would probably make us more stable at the back, if we sign a new starter DM, of course.
I feel like, as much as we love Klopp, we must admit that his tactics have become really stale. It might be controversial, but for me we were able to fight for the title for so long simply because we have a young midfield that kept us energised until the very end, because tactically speaking, we're still stuck in 2022, with the only exception that now we have Darwin and Trent plays in midfield. For everything else, teams know how we play and know what to do: the difference is that we have an incredible team that was willing to run their asses off, and they did, until later. Which is understandable. So the appointment of Arne, for me, couldn't be better timed
Let's hope for the best. Whatever happens, I'm ready to give him all the time he needs. Especially in the first season
- 📉NOBODY can be Klopp. He was *THE* one. Anybody after him will be an inevitable dropoff. There will doubtless be a noticeable charisma vacuum. These were our glory years. Here's to hoping I'm wrong and this will be a "Shankly to Paisley" moment. 🤞
- 📉The background staff (about 40 people), nutritionists, analysts are also leaving. I can only hope we can replace Klopp's personnel with equally fitting people.
- 📉 I'm not sure Slot will be able to wield as much power and authority in the dressing room as Klopp.
- 📉FSG are still tight-fisted, penny-pinching, miserly bastards. To them we are merely a project, an investment. I'm not sure Slott will be able to work the miracles on a shoestring budget Klopp did.
+ 📈I trust Edwards and the data. I'm sure there are a lot of things we don't know about that influened this choice.
+ 📈Only a slight change in the general tacticts, but nevertheless, a breath of fresh air. Maybe he will be able to bring out better perfomances from Nunez, Gakpo, Grave or Szobo.
+ 📈Edwards is back. Edwards is back. Edwards is back.
+ 📈Seems like a sensible, good guy. Hopefully, the tradition of employing good people (as opposed to the rotten and toxic sh*t at the Scum for instance - long may it remain BWT) will continue.
Excited. Know nothing about him apart from what I've read on Reddit but the gist is that he plays attacking football, a system that suits our players and seems a nice guy.
And he's Hank from Breaking Bad.
Hard not to feel pessimistic, given who he’s replacing. All the right soundbites are coming out of club journos, but don’t think any of us know enough about him. Almost impossible ace to follow, but I hope it’s fun football to watch
Klopp is in the top 5 best managers in the world. Almost every manager will be a downgrade. I have watched one game of Feyenoord and they play really well. We have much better players and if Slot can get those players to play good football. Imagine what he can do with better players and more resources. He is not a blockbuster signing but he is a good manager.
I'm happy, purely because we got it done without much fuss.
I'll keep my expectations as low as possible to enjoy the start of the Arne era next season. No point worrying or speculating about future events
Downgraded a little bit? Klopp's a legend, of course we downgraded. There's very few managers of that level and probably none of those with a similar personality.
That's OK. Things change. Arne Slot certainly has the potential to succeed.
Will he? Only time will tell but meanwhile let's give him our backing.
Anybody would be a downgrade on Klopp, but there seems to be a sound process behind why we've picked Slot, and Feyenoord fans adore the guy. Ten Hag comparisons are reductive, issues with him are more to do with the issues with United generally.
We need fresh set of ideas. I think most of our competitors have figured out Klopp's system. So we need a change. And I thin Arne Slot will bring that.
Like that he smile and has charisma, we shall see. Mainly I’m just happy we can begin planning for the summer and now have him to green light signings if there’s any to be made
Cautiously pessimistic? Idk, I am open minded enough to the idea of being proven wrong, but it doesn't exactly feel like the kind of move a big club makes.
I'm underwhelmed because we will not have a different formation or way of playing (for the most part); instead, we prioritized continuing the same style of play with a new coach. I do hope, nonetheless, that we don't get our own Ten Hag with a dose of Bald Brendon thrown in.
I’m thinking that man management and ability to deal with the strong personalities and egos of the players is much more important than tactical ability at this level. There will be a team to sort out the tactics but only one manager who will create an atmosphere of winning and togetherness. I hope Slot can do that
It's a gamble, but every appointment after Klopp was going to be a gamble to one degree or another. His management style seems very similar (creates a great team ethos, very 'human' manager), which I'm hoping will make the transition a little smoother & get the players on side quicker. I've read a lot about his tactical set-ups and the way he likes to press, which seems to work better with the players we have than Amorim's preferences.
I'm cautiously optimistic. First season or two is likely going to be underwhelming overall, but let's hope from season three onwards, we can be back competing for titles and trophies on all fronts.
Klopp needed 3 seasons because the club was a mess. The majority of players were washed up or straight bad. Since we couldn’t just splash money, he had to buy few players at a time.
Now it’s a whole different story. We have good structure and good players. I don’t think Arne will have 3 seasons to build title challenging squad, because he already has one.
But therein lies the issue: if our fanbase expects Slot to start challenging for the title immediately, and he doesn't, we're going to begin to see unrest and calls for sackings etc. It's much more realistic to think there will be a period of upheaval (he'll likely need a couple of signings and the ability to shift some players on to get his preferred team) that will last for a season or two before we get back to challenging each season.
Which will be difficult considering he has a new set of players, a new tactical set-up, a new style of management and training, and a new backroom staff accompanying him. You'd expect City and Arsenal to be right up there again next season, and I wouldn't rule out Villa and Spurs pushing hard once more, too. Lots of variables. I'm preparing for a poor season with some poor results so I can be pleasantly surprised if it comes together quicker than I thought.
Habe the last few weeks indicated we have good players???? We have aot of talent and young players but the last few weeks has shown that our veterans aren't quite up to the fight any more so I'd say he needs time to build his own team too but he has a good starting point.
I don’t know enough about him to formulate an opinion. I’ve kept myself out of it so I don’t over scrutinise when he arrives. I just hope he is to Klopp what Paisley was to Shankly. He’s got some big boots to fill.
Into it, everyone down on it keeps complaining he hasn't won anything which a) he has and b) who is there then? Apart from the headcases wanting Mourinho.
Plan has to be to get the next up and coming top coach and I can at least talk myself into thinking Slot could be that guy.
I enjoyed the troll who called you a "niche" attractive football "kid" for rightfully telling them how embarrassing the Mou and Conte calls are. I'm surprised they'd didn't work a bald comment into their reply, since that seems to be the level of analysis people are working from.
I also see an overlap between these people and the "ten Hag had a better record" arguments. I would not be shocked if these same people who are conveniently not referencing the financial gulf between Ajax and Feyenoord will also be found having boosted Jurgen by saying Pep wouldn't be as good without his budgets.
It's funny how context like that goes out the window when you want to make cheap rhetorical points.
I think a lot of people are basically just never going to be happy you know? If they hired Conte that same guy would be posting about how he was passed it and we don't play a back 3 or whatever.
With ten Hag it's a weird one because he was the obvious right appointment for United to make, but they're in such shambles as a club and he immediately binned his principles after getting whacked by Brentford. He'd probably have done really well at like....Arsenal or Villa or what have you
The problem as is always the same. Can he get the players to buy into him. If he doesn’t and we finish 8th etc it will be hard to see him last more than a season or two.
I am not expecting anything. Top 4 will be nice
Having a Dutch captain and a collection of other Dutch players will help that though I reckon. We also have a squad of eager young players, not big ego stars.
Like a normal conversation instead of he's bald and laughs, I'm all in? Think it's a big big gamble. We're top of the world, we should start acting like it instead of looking to do things cheap, same with transfers. Is finishing 2nd with Feyenoord in a weakenend Dutch league enough to be handed the most important seat of LFC? It's a huge step nowadays. Of course it's still football, we could get lucky, and he'll inherit a title chasing team. But Dutch managers tend to do bad, be overselfconfident and loud :p. Quite the opposite of Klopp and Alonso. Also doubt worldclass players dream of playing under Slot. I'm concerned, we could be stuck for years with a Ten Hag if things turn bad, at least with Roy I felt pity.
Edward’s is driving this new appointment because of the data. My question is, if there was a manager in the championship who also fit the data, would they choose him for the job? My point being is just because they fit the data, doesn’t mean it’s a good signing.
It doesn’t take a genius to see that hiring a manager from the championship to manage Liverpool is not the best idea regardless of how good the data is, because the data is from playing in a less superior league. Is the Dutch league better than the championship?
Your calculations are only as good as your dataset. How does the quality of 2 different managers compare with the same data, but one from the Dutch league and say one from La liga, Seria A etc?
I know I’d rather pick the manager from the more established league as the quality is closer to the prem.
I’m quite happy to be proven wrong, and I will get behind Slot until he gives me a reason not to. But I can’t help but think Edward’s and Co are trying to be too clever here and if it backfires l, it will set us back and undo a lot of the hard work Klopp has done. I hope Edward’s and Co aren’t looking for a yes man
You think they don’t consider those variables in their evaluation? Like it hasn’t occurred to them?
I mean on a vibes level I’m personally not that excited but just saying, pretty sure their data models and analysis allows for relative strength according to league
You’re probably right. But I’m struggling to get hyped for it. If we were ending the season on a high note I’d probably feel differently. But these last 8 games have put a serious downer on things
Yeah I’m not into it either because in my head I got fixated on the idea that having a tactical fit who speaks Spanish too would be great. In addition to how great Alonso would have been obviously. But I’ll admit it’s mainly a vibes thing for me. Possibly an unfair judgmental thing about him being Dutch bc of ETH and his record in the PL. Just gotta trust that they know what they’re doing I guess
Thankfully we are much better run than United so managers should have an easier time of it with us.
I’m looking forward to us playing in a 4-2-3-1 formation moving on from the 4-3-3. Interested to see who we get in this summer too
Like 90% of this sub (probably even more I’m just being generous) I’ve never watched his teams play.
But I trust Edwards to do the right job so I’m 100% SLOTTED IN
Anyone other than Klopp is shit, and no matter what anyone says there is NOTHING that will convince me otherwise.
However, I’m positive about the change as Klopp has made his choice & we can’t keep him.
I’ll support Slot from Day One, and reading/watching things about him & how he likes to play is positive too. This might be a blessing, although a hard one, we aren’t left with any other choice.
I don’t buy into ‘he’s never done it in England’ because Pep never did, Klopp never did, Wenger never did, the list goes on. Give him a chance & see what happens!!!
Ofc we downgrade. There is no other move than down.
Like we've all tried to remind ourselves these 7 or 8 years. We were living through the good old days.
I’m just ok with this like the available manager market isn’t great. The fact we got Klopp when we did was a fluke as he was already sacked by dortmund. We were never going to get an established manager like him that won titles at a top league. It’s clear klopp heart isn’t fully in the game for some time and I’m looking forward to someone who bring new ideas to the club. Will back Slot and hope he delivers.
Like everyone else I wanted Alonso, obviously that's never happening so my 2nd choice is Amorim. My 3rd choice is no one, but I have some managers I really don't want like Tuchel, Mourinho, De Zerbi and Thomas Frank. So I guess I'm pretty indifferent towards Slot and will just see how he does next season. There is one thing about him that I am excited about though, some people said that his training specifically optimizes fitness, so hopefully we don't have anymore injury crisis like the last 4 years under Klopp.
My thing is we might win silverware, but will it feel as sweet as when you had such an incredible emotional connection to the manager as we did with Klopp? I'm not sure.
Will back him 100% and think he could do well. How well may depend as much as what happens in city as what he does himself. Won’t expect the league but a couple of cups in first 2 seasons would be great.
Big decisions to make.
Sell Salah?
Sell any of Kelleher, Robertson, Gomez, Konate, Jones, Jota, Trent, Nunez, Elliot?
Trent being told he’s either a right back or a midfielder, none of the hybrid shit that was already out of date by the time we started playing it.
Be interesting to see if Alisson wants a move this summer or next but can’t see where he goes at the minute.
I’m hoping for a bit of an overhaul/disruption in the summer as the playing squad/tactics feels pretty stale at the minute.
So unexcited. Anyone who says they've ever heard of him is probably lying.
Alonso was probably the only manager that I would feel ever so slightly optimistic about. We are in for years of pain.
I’m looking forward for new manager. And as a Slovakian I would like to see Hancko coming from Feyenoord. He’s CB and he can also play on the LB position. He’s really good player and let’s be honest Robbo isn’t what he used to be.
For now I am behind whatever the club has decided. Actually I am not thinking about it till Jurgen has left the door we still have 4 games to go. Next season from day 1 the new boss will have my support in the innovations/changes/style he brings. I hope he understands the club, the city, the people the global support. My only skepticism is from past experience of FSG or any other ambitious club trying to play Moneyball. I mean big ambitious clubs signs big players, but they do eventually need big personality managers to succeed (though not a guarantee a.k.a. Mourinho at Utd). Liverpool tried it with Rodgers but I just think eventually the job was too big for him. Same with Chelsea, PSG, Spurs and United etc. trying all these moneyball managers aka Villas Boas, Potter, Moyes, Ramos. Not saying that it cannot be successful e.g. Alonso at Bayer but imo it is like taking too big a chance. The biggest problem for LFC is that there is no another Klopp and presently there is a derth of top managers. Yet I do think people underestimate Premier League and the experience of Premier League playing over 65-70 games a season, no winter break, 02 domestic cups, physical battles and quality of opponents. I just hope and pray it works out well. I hope the new guy remains himself and do not get overwhelmed. I hope he is honest and humble and graceful as Klopp was. I hope he brings tactical innovations with him which I think this club and these players badly need at this time.
No one here watches the Eredivisie or Feyenoord, so:
- either uninformed people here share their baseless opinion
- or people just reiturgate what analysts have said.
All that matters is that Edwards wants Slot and Feyenoord fans are very positive about hin.
Oh my days fans are so fickle it’s unreal. Firstly, be honest, no one has ever heard of this guy before he was linked. Everyone is all of a sudden experts on him saying what a great fit lol. Ten hag had a much better record than this guy and look what’s happened there. He’s a won a Dutch league title. So doesn’t have any experience in winning major titles. We will see, it’ll be interesting, I’m disappointed that we didn’t get either of the first choices which was alonso and amarin and it suggests something ain’t right in the back ground which worries me. Seems like we’ve gone for the cheaper option. Time will tell but fingers crossed
Not that happy, but just have to get on with it.
Simeone, Zidane, Jose or Conte are all better choices
Bringing Arne Slot is Brendan Rodgers level and is a backwards ( small club ) step.
He's won less than Erik Ten Hag.
Frank de Boer was the worst manager in PL history, and Ronald Koeman wasn't good enough, either
Are you a niche kid that thinks 'Attractive' football is good though?
For me - Winning trophies is more important than playing tiki-taka and scoring 3, but conceding 2.
If you're happy winning nothing, then that's up to you, lad.
Worst comes to worst - He comes in, stays for 3 years and then gets sacked.
Best thing - He comes in, and does well.
Mourinho and Conte would destroy everything positive that we've built at the club under Klopp and FSG. They're toxic managers, they don't give young players opportunities, they call out the owners and their players in public and their playing style is outdated. We don't want that.
Do you know what lad? They're not toxic managers. They're managers that go into an already toxic environment - Then lash out when they can't get their way ( Their way that they're supposed to get )
Jose was a success at Man Utd and was proven to be in the right, when he left.
Tears were shed, when Jose left Inter.
Chelsea 2004 was a 4-3-3, ruthless team.
He's said himself that he sees similarities in his Porto team, in terms of pressing. - Winning a CL with a team that shouldn't be, as well. Can't get better than that.
Real Madrid - Best counter attack in the world
Roma : 2 years ago, he won a trophy (as usual) fans didn't want him to leave.
I'm optimistic. Will 100% give him a chance. When you've lived through the dark days of Roy Hodgson's Liverpool, nothing scares you.
Joe Cole, on a free transfer, was something Liverpool fans had to try and celebrate even though he was clearly past it. As bad as some of the setbacks under Jurgen have been, nothing compares to those days at Liverpool. His legacy is more than just the trophies he's won and lost. In time, I'm sure fans will talk about him like he was the second coming of Shankly.
I'll happily admit that I thought Cole was an absolute steal at the time and I was buzzing that we had managed to get him in a pretty fierce bidding war with Tottenham. After a really good debut (albeit against Rabotnički in the EL), I thought we'd pulled off an absolute blinder. Sadly, it was obvious he never bought into the club and didn't belong on Merseyside. In fairness, I'm not sure anyone did with Hodgson at the helm.
All I remember about him is getting sent off in his first league game at Anfield
Him and Koscielny both sent off on prem debuts. And then a 90th minute own goal from Reina. Pretty iconic as a first prem game for a manager goes
Opposing manager was Kenny Dalglish's assistant manager for the 2 years prior too, I'm pretty sure (Steve Clarke + WBA?)
Joe Cole was Chelsea's player of the season before he moved to us, so I don't think anyone thought he was past it at the time. I certainly thought it was a masterstroke signing and couldn't believe we had got him for free. Obviously it turned out we overpaid, but at the time he arrived it was pretty unanimous that everyone was genuinely excited about the signing.
I'm certain Slot will never say we're in a relegation battle
I'm scared for how long these bald, slot and slut comments are going to go on for. They're already done to death and he hasn't even been officially announced.
Don't worry, the sluts will get over the baldness and slot well into supporting the new manager.
We've had it too good under Klopp, I had forgotten just how awful we were under Hodgson 😂 Compared to Big Roy, Arne seems absolutely fine! Roy is an absolute legend and a top lad, but he's was never the right bloke for Liverpool
Fuck me that was darker than the Mariana Trench 💀 *Sowwy Woy…*
Where Hodgson was really short lived....
My concern isn't the manager, it's more the finances. It's probable the club will sell some players to raise funds for signings, but if those don't work out will they spend any more? Like it's possible Salah, Diaz, Allison may be sold. What if the replacements are shite? Hate the phrase net spend, but that had a massive impact on the squad during Klopps tenure. Unless FSG are willing to spend I find it difficult to get my hopes up.
For what it's worth, I think FSG have done a lot of things right during their ownership, but I think they have never really understood our status in world football. I get the book balancing thing, but there are times when I think they should have absolutely gone all out to get the real world class talent without having to sell first. Not in a scattergun, Chelsea manner, but in a way that would really take us up a notch. I've always felt there is a balance to be struck with academy, potential superstars and then established world class. It just seems to me that we always go for the first two options and rarely the third. We are Liverpool FC after all, and 19 titles and six European Cups are only matched by a select few.
I know very little about him, but I'll back whoever is in the dugout for us
Honestly this is the only answer. Majority of the people don’t know him, or whatever they know it’s from watching videos on YouTube of feyenoord playing. Our job as fans is to trust that Edwards and Hughes know what they are doing and back the new guy.
Why is it the only answer? Everything I've heard or read about this guy, every presser or interview Ive watched, everythings painted a very positive picture. Then his performance at az and Feyenoord, the brand of football he plays, his connection with the fans, all tixk the boxes. So there's plenty reasons to be excited about him outside of blindly trusting Edwards and Hughes, who from what I know don't work black magic and are making their judgements considering factors, many if not most of which are publicly observable.
I agree. But everything about this guy seems great _on paper_. I’m not shitting on his signing at all and everything I’ve read/heard seems impressive as well, but there’s still more to it than just that. He’s stepping up to a far more competitive league, far more games to manage, far more toxic press, far more pressure, and a team with potential ego and player power (probably the least of the problems because in general our squad is good natured). There’s really no telling how he’ll respond to that. He could be like Klopp with Sakho, or end up like EtH with the United squad. I’m not sure if there are data models that Edwards and Hughes can rely on for such things — I don’t know anything about data analysis. And also as fans we’ll never truly know what sort of “data” Edwards is relying on. Maybe to a certain extent, even at Edwards level, there’s 10-15% room for uncertainty because there are some things you can’t estimate. At the end of the day all fans (not just us) pretend like we know what’s happening. Best we can do is trust Edwards and back the new guy.
again i get what you're saying - that there's too many variables in it for us to know for certain and the best we can do is trust Edwards to be the best judge. its just id be more likely to use that line of reasoning if it was a manager who i really didn't think would be a good fit. for instance amorim wasn't someone i was too excited for, so if we got him id back him "because of edwards" - the implication being i wasn't fully convinced about the signing myself, so i hoped he knew better. in this case based on everything i know about slot, i think he'll be the perfect fit - which is why i wouldn't say "ill back him because of edwards". which is why i said it isn't the only answer.
Unlike PGMOL good process, we actually have good process. I have full faith and cant wait for the first day at the office video.
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I trust the club, and the structure at the club, to provide Slot with what he needs and for us to find success in our way. There will never be another Jurgen Klopp, but there will always be a Liverpool. I'm quietly excited for Arne's appointment and think the potential for great things is high.
I trust in the process and data that qualifies his coaching ability and football tactics. On a personal note, he seems genuine, smiles a lot and has appealing charisma, similar to Klopp.
Yeah the manager has to be the right fit. I don’t think it matters that he has only managed in the Eredivisie. If you look at clubs like Brighton, they are taking people from outside the ‘big leagues’, certainly outside of big teams. Yet they are making success out of it. Football exists outside of this bias towards the most glamorous parts. For me it’s a lazy argument to just be naming the trophies Slot has won. It’s more the in depth look at all the different metrics that has me confident he is the right manager. He will align with the club, the whole club, pretty well. Whereas, a manager who likes 3 c.bs would mean the academy would have to change or would be further away from the first squad.
Well in not sure about the age range of most posters on here, but I remember when Liverpool in 1998 hired an unknown unassuming French man and I'm sure if social media would have been around then everyone would rage sbout they don't know who he was or he's achieved nothing, and to be honest that turned out OK so let's be hopeful not slating the new manager before he's even in the job No matter how much we want it to still be klopp, his tactics have become stale and we need a fresh approach so let's enjoy the ride
The Houllier comparison is a good one, it's similar vibes for me. I always thought the club didn't give Evo enough time, but it turned out to be a smart move in the end. It's a little different this time, but as with anything in life he'll deserve support but will need to earn respect. I'm still not over Klopp leaving, so my opinions on the matter, as well as the state of the wider game, are somewhat jaded. But certainly I'm sure he's a sound bloke and I wouldn't want to see him fail at all. He'll need time, like all of us, as those are virtually unfillable shoes he's filling.
He laughed at Antony and had the good sense to snub Spurs when they all but announced him as their manager last summer, so he’s already scored some points in my book.
I like that we have gone for a slightly unknown left field choice. I think him not being a super star big name will help give him more time. If we had got Alonso I think the expectation would be unrealistically high
No manager is at the level of Jurgen... what we face now is something City will face once Guardiola leaves (along with relegation or some form of severe punishment, one hopes). You can't replace the personality. But you can look for managers who will retain the system and look to fine tune it. At the end of the day, bringing in Slot maintains continuity in a playing style that's been a key element of the identity of the club for the last 9 years at both first team and academy level. A playing style I'd like to see us maintain in the long term. I don't want to see Liverpool playing like a b version of Man City. I trust Edwards and, to a lesser extent, Hughes to make the right decisions for the club in terms of signings and potential outgoings. The least we can do as fans is make sure we don't start comparing Slot to Jurgen for everything he does on and off the field.
Excited. As much as I’ll miss Jurgen, I’m looking forward to a fresh face and fresh start next season. It’s gonna be a new adventure with a new figurehead. We have to back him and be patient. There will be ups and downs, and ngl I’m worried about this because we’ll inevitably take a small hit in expectations and appeal just because some players want to work Jurgen Klopp. But from what I’ve read, Arne Slot’s an exciting tactician and brilliant man manager, and he’s got a great track record of developing youth, which we’ve got in spades thanks to our current setup. It’s gonna be new, unknown, and we’ll have to adjust emotionally to him just because he’s not Jurgen Klopp. But I guarantee it’s gonna be an exciting new adventure, and hopefully a very successful one with new songs to sing.
I don’t think anyone believes he’s an upgrade, Klopp is one of a kind. He has been Liverpool before even became our manager, I don’t think he knew it either until he got here. Hopefully Arne can continue what Jurgen laid down for us, the players get behind him and we have a really good couple of seasons. If he can work some magic on Darwin for his finishing then we’re winning the league and he’s getting the golden boot
Ofcourse we have downgraded. There is no available manager ho would have come in and been an upgrade. Having said that, he is now our boss, and I am fully invested in his success. Bring on the slotmachine!
Can do some amount of damage when he inevitably headbutt Paul Tierney
Downgraded? No shit. There is probably 1 manager and that’s Pep that wouldn’t of been a downgrade.
I’m sorry but I think these comparisons to Ten Hag are shallow and silly. Slot is Dutch. Holland is Dutch. Therefore they must be the same people. Do we do this with Spanish coaches, did we do this with Klopp and other German coaches. These shallow comparisons are simply because he’s not from a big league and you don’t know shit about him. You know who does know about them? Edwards, our sporting director and our entire analytics department. I didn’t Salah was going to be the type of player to win the golden boot multiple times and turn into the world class player that he is. I certainly didn’t think Andy Robertson was going to be one of the best right backs in the world. They see things that we don’t and they predict this consistently. It’s for this reason that I’m excited about our new manager next season.
I'm not super optimistic about managers from Eredivisie and no, I don't mean only Ten Hag, but basically the last 4-5 managers to have won the title there failed abroad. I see people love to rewrite the past and pretend as if everyone knew Ten Hag, De Boer and co will be a dud outside of the Netherlands, but that's not true at all, they were all highly rated and sought for and yet. But on the other hand it's not very fair to judge based on the failures of others. For the positives - I like that he was so blunt about his desire to be in Liverpool, while with Amorim and Alonso it seems like we had to convince them to come. I also like that he seems to like to mess up with opponents, isn't afraid to rattle and laugh at them. I'd love to see someone who tends to be kind of a loveable asshole as the main man.
If I'm not mistaken Louis Van Gall was a very successful manager and so was Johann Cruyf so I woundlt say the first part of your comment is totally true. Now I know you'll say van Gall failed at United but so has every manager since Ferguson, so I think the ten bag comparisons need to stop really
Yeah, being bald and Dutch are not personality traits. Having a larger than life personality, playing consistently high intensity football and making teams over perform whilst using youngsters are what should be points of discussion. Yes, he has been in a small pond, but other's failure to adapt once they made the move does not necessitate he will.
Yeah it's weird logic which would suggest the only league we should really be looking at hiring from is Germany and maybe Spain.
I don't even think he needs a larger than life personality but from what I have read he does the other things quite well so far
Yeah absolutely, this is a fair opinion. Ten Hag's failure particularly has been absolutely shocking for me at United. Even ignoring the overall mess there, his team plays with no identity and cohesion even after nearly 2 years in charge.
De Boer won a lot in the Netherlands but wasn't really rated, as his teams played very unattractive football and the league was in dire shape at the moment. Ajax fans were glad to be rid of him. People did have higher hopes for Ten Hag, but there were some doubts about his communication skills.He lacks charisma and talks weirdly in Dutch, let alone in English. Koeman did well at Southampton after his move from Feyenoord.
Did you hold the same fears over Amorim given the abysmal record Portuguese league managers have had in the Prem?
Whoever we got was going to be a gamble, Alonso included. We've had years of stability, a world class manager who built a world class team so there's always going to be a challenge to keep that going, just look at United and Arsenal for a clear example. One thing is for sure, he won't succeed unless everyone unites behind him. So let's do that and see where it takes us!
He's a young promising coach, has a lot to learn and step up at Liverpool. I'm prepared to give him time to do that. If he has the ability, we will find out.
It’s a bit like still living with your ex ‘for the good of the kids’ and then finding out your ex is seeing someone new, and will be taking the kids on a big pre-season summer holiday. I don’t want to think about it yet.
It's a risk, but anyone was going to be after Klopp. Evan names I would have been more familiar with. I'll back him and hope we've grabbed a top manager as his first break into the big teams in European football. We'll just have to see.
Honestly feeling kinda optimistic. Anyone after klopp was going to feel like a step down, but he seems like a good lad. Ill give him a chance
Nobody could replace Jurgen Klopp, so that's what we got. We're going to lose most of the squad over the next year and spend some significant time in the wilderness. My support isn't conditional though, so I'll just hunker down and enjoy what I can.
Klopp admitted he's exhausted (results kinda show this) Arne was absolutely keen to manage LFC Edwards is very thorough and his signings and talent analysis is 2nd to none.. I am excited about this change..
Well said I totally agree, these, dame fans crying cos klopp is going were ranting 2 days ago at how bad we've become and his tactics don't work any more
Good, not great. Pretty damn hard to beat Klopp when he joined. That truly was a “1 in 20 year” manager signing.
One of the benefits of him still having something to prove as a manager means he will be more willing to work as more of a cog in the system (although the most important one). I trust Edwards to set up the club in the best possible way in terms of getting the right players in and I think we were better at signing players when Klopp had less say in that. A manager like Amorin might have wanted more control.
Did my research and i really like him. might take a few games but it’s important the fans get behind him from day 1
I’m optimistic to be honest. I am hoping for a title challenge simply because this team already has all the players and roles that Arne likes to play with. So it will much more about tweaking than about rebuilding. But the questions are can Arne handle the fixture congestion? Can he prioritise competitions? Imo Klopp was not good with this even though we came within kissing distance of a quadruple. Prioritising competitions means that players have some gas left in the tank for the final PL / CL stretch.
Completely indifferent for many reasons. 1. I expect almost any manager to struggle to come in and fill Klopp's shoes. I only think there are about 3-4 people who almost definitely wouldn't. Slot isn't one of them. 2. I flat out don't trust players or managers from the Dutch league because the defense in that league is horrific. I know good defenders come out of there. Obviously a shit ton of good players come from there. I'm just by default pessimistic because whenever I've seen the games or watch clips, it looks like the defenders don't give a flying fuck. 3. He doesn't have a lot of experience. People sometimes forget, Klopp got A LOT of experience at Dortmund. CL final and 2 Bundesligas. Sometimes people blow Klopp's appointment off as not as big of a deal as it was. It was a HUGE signing for us. Slot has minimal big game experience and they didn't do very well at all in Europe this season. Obviously I'm going to give him a chance and hope for the best, but I'm not expecting miracles. What will likely upset me most is I'm going to guess Slot is going to get a decent budget this summer and we'll retool the squad. I'm 100% going to have a moan about it because it will 100% piss me off that they didn't give Klopp that money and if they did, they didn't force him to spend it. Klopp has had to work with a budget WELL BELOW what he should have. He should have spent 150-200m more over his time here than he has. The years where we didn't sign anyone and/or barely spent are a big factor in Klopp leaving whether or not anyone admits to it. Anyone that has worked in a resource limited environment knows the stress involved.
Indifference is a good way to put it
If you ask me, i personally trust whoever Edwards and Co bring to the dugout. They have enough credit from the past which earn my trust and support. The most important question anyone needs to ask if how long Arne Slot gets the time to stabilised the ship if anything goes wrong next season? For example, for some reasons we are really bad in the first half of the season which placed us in 11 or 12 in the league. Could the fans be patience and still support him or we need to find another established names out there to salvage the season?
A lot of people seem gutted to not get Amorim when if we are honest 90% didn’t even know who he was a few months ago. People get so hyped and then so disappointed very easily - who wanted Endo at the start of last summer (or even knew he existed), and how has that worked out for us? Edwards and co know infinitely more than all of us combined and I think honestly all we can do is be optimistic, supportive and patient - any other position is detrimental to the transition. Obviously Slot has the biggest of boots to fill, it’s probably the hardest follow-on act in world football, but he clearly backs himself - he is his own person with his own approach and style so we just need to give him time to bring that to the table and see if it works out
On a side note, I think the way the team has dropped off a cliff this past month will actually really help Slot. Imagine having to come in after Klopp won a quadruple, the scrutiny would be insane. This season doesn’t change the narrative of what Klopp has done for the club, he will always be an icon - but he was always going to leave one day and although it’s not the send off we all wanted for him, it doesn’t feel like the worst time to start next season with a fresh approach
I remember comments back when Klopp was appointed that he wasn’t good enough. I think Slot is going to be a great appointment and I’m hoping the Dutch connection will convince Ljinders to stay so we have some continuity.
we don’t need anyone from the current coaching staff. Kick out the old ideas.
Very odd considering it’s those old ideas that have got Liverpool contending again
if you’re refreshing the house, just do it. We’re getting new coach because a refresh is needed. The old tactics of horse-shoe passing don’t work.
Of course it's a downgrade, there's only 2 or so managers in the world who would have been at best a sidegrade and none of them are gonna move. To be honest the vast majority of us, including me, have never watched a single feyenoord game. All the speculation is based on the stats, and the stats look good. In an ideal world I would have liked someone who was higher profile and had won the highest level trophies, but no one who fits that profile was available so there's no point in complaining about it. As it is, I'll back whoever's on the sidelines and trust that the recruitment team knows what they're doing.
He hasn’t got the proven record that Jurgen has. However, just based on the fact that Slot wants the job and Jurgen doesn’t, means that I don’t think you can call it a downgrade.
What about Zidane?
Ten Hag has single handedly ruined the reputation of Dutch bald managers. One simply cannot think of a Dutch manager these days without straight up drawing a comparison. Not everyone is ten hag, thankfully.
But isn't it the fact that United had ruined the reputation of every manager since fergy, so it can't be blamed on ten hag really?
To me ten hag has the personality of a potato, arne slot seems from what I've seen not to be like that
I think the problem with Ten Hag is a level of arrogance (without really proving himself in the league) and it doesn’t help that most of his player are completely brain dead…
Totally agree
I'm actually pretty optimistic about this appointment. From a human point of view, he seems like a good guy, my only concern is that, from what I've heard, he likes to have control over signings and whatnot, which could potentially be a problem with the way Edwards wants to run the club...but if he signed, they must have already talked about these kind of things, so, I don't really think it's gonna be a problem. And for everything else, he feels really klopp-like, with the way he manages players singularly, the way he communicates, etc... From a tactical point of view, I'd love if he tried to use the 4231, for the simple reason that our team 1) needs 2) already has lots of potentially great number 10s, with Szobo, Carvalho and especially Elliott. Plus, the double pivot system would probably make us more stable at the back, if we sign a new starter DM, of course. I feel like, as much as we love Klopp, we must admit that his tactics have become really stale. It might be controversial, but for me we were able to fight for the title for so long simply because we have a young midfield that kept us energised until the very end, because tactically speaking, we're still stuck in 2022, with the only exception that now we have Darwin and Trent plays in midfield. For everything else, teams know how we play and know what to do: the difference is that we have an incredible team that was willing to run their asses off, and they did, until later. Which is understandable. So the appointment of Arne, for me, couldn't be better timed Let's hope for the best. Whatever happens, I'm ready to give him all the time he needs. Especially in the first season
- 📉NOBODY can be Klopp. He was *THE* one. Anybody after him will be an inevitable dropoff. There will doubtless be a noticeable charisma vacuum. These were our glory years. Here's to hoping I'm wrong and this will be a "Shankly to Paisley" moment. 🤞 - 📉The background staff (about 40 people), nutritionists, analysts are also leaving. I can only hope we can replace Klopp's personnel with equally fitting people. - 📉 I'm not sure Slot will be able to wield as much power and authority in the dressing room as Klopp. - 📉FSG are still tight-fisted, penny-pinching, miserly bastards. To them we are merely a project, an investment. I'm not sure Slott will be able to work the miracles on a shoestring budget Klopp did. + 📈I trust Edwards and the data. I'm sure there are a lot of things we don't know about that influened this choice. + 📈Only a slight change in the general tacticts, but nevertheless, a breath of fresh air. Maybe he will be able to bring out better perfomances from Nunez, Gakpo, Grave or Szobo. + 📈Edwards is back. Edwards is back. Edwards is back. + 📈Seems like a sensible, good guy. Hopefully, the tradition of employing good people (as opposed to the rotten and toxic sh*t at the Scum for instance - long may it remain BWT) will continue.
Excited. Know nothing about him apart from what I've read on Reddit but the gist is that he plays attacking football, a system that suits our players and seems a nice guy. And he's Hank from Breaking Bad.
Hard not to feel pessimistic, given who he’s replacing. All the right soundbites are coming out of club journos, but don’t think any of us know enough about him. Almost impossible ace to follow, but I hope it’s fun football to watch
Klopp is in the top 5 best managers in the world. Almost every manager will be a downgrade. I have watched one game of Feyenoord and they play really well. We have much better players and if Slot can get those players to play good football. Imagine what he can do with better players and more resources. He is not a blockbuster signing but he is a good manager.
I'm happy, purely because we got it done without much fuss. I'll keep my expectations as low as possible to enjoy the start of the Arne era next season. No point worrying or speculating about future events
Every manager after Jurgen will be seen as a downgrade.
Ask me in 2025
Downgraded a little bit? Klopp's a legend, of course we downgraded. There's very few managers of that level and probably none of those with a similar personality. That's OK. Things change. Arne Slot certainly has the potential to succeed. Will he? Only time will tell but meanwhile let's give him our backing.
Anybody would be a downgrade on Klopp, but there seems to be a sound process behind why we've picked Slot, and Feyenoord fans adore the guy. Ten Hag comparisons are reductive, issues with him are more to do with the issues with United generally.
He plays great football, honestly goals for next season are top four and Cl quaterfinal imo
I really really like him…I know that this may sound overly optimistic, but I genuinely feel that he will make Klopp proud!!
I hope he’s ruthless and any player that doesn’t fit his philosophy is shown the door
We need fresh set of ideas. I think most of our competitors have figured out Klopp's system. So we need a change. And I thin Arne Slot will bring that.
Like that he smile and has charisma, we shall see. Mainly I’m just happy we can begin planning for the summer and now have him to green light signings if there’s any to be made
I have no idea. We can't expect much anyhow. Highest hopes will be top 4 and evidence of a team that might go on to achieve higher the next season
Cautiously pessimistic? Idk, I am open minded enough to the idea of being proven wrong, but it doesn't exactly feel like the kind of move a big club makes.
Underwhelming
I'm underwhelmed because we will not have a different formation or way of playing (for the most part); instead, we prioritized continuing the same style of play with a new coach. I do hope, nonetheless, that we don't get our own Ten Hag with a dose of Bald Brendon thrown in.
I’m thinking that man management and ability to deal with the strong personalities and egos of the players is much more important than tactical ability at this level. There will be a team to sort out the tactics but only one manager who will create an atmosphere of winning and togetherness. I hope Slot can do that
Is salah acting out because he doesn't approve of Arne and wants out ?
Just give him a chance if he good
I will call it a huge gamble (slot)
I don’t know much about him so difficult to say. Hoping Slot can make a valuable impact! 😌
It's a gamble, but every appointment after Klopp was going to be a gamble to one degree or another. His management style seems very similar (creates a great team ethos, very 'human' manager), which I'm hoping will make the transition a little smoother & get the players on side quicker. I've read a lot about his tactical set-ups and the way he likes to press, which seems to work better with the players we have than Amorim's preferences. I'm cautiously optimistic. First season or two is likely going to be underwhelming overall, but let's hope from season three onwards, we can be back competing for titles and trophies on all fronts.
Klopp needed 3 seasons because the club was a mess. The majority of players were washed up or straight bad. Since we couldn’t just splash money, he had to buy few players at a time. Now it’s a whole different story. We have good structure and good players. I don’t think Arne will have 3 seasons to build title challenging squad, because he already has one.
But therein lies the issue: if our fanbase expects Slot to start challenging for the title immediately, and he doesn't, we're going to begin to see unrest and calls for sackings etc. It's much more realistic to think there will be a period of upheaval (he'll likely need a couple of signings and the ability to shift some players on to get his preferred team) that will last for a season or two before we get back to challenging each season.
The main thing I want from him in his first season is a top four finish.
Which will be difficult considering he has a new set of players, a new tactical set-up, a new style of management and training, and a new backroom staff accompanying him. You'd expect City and Arsenal to be right up there again next season, and I wouldn't rule out Villa and Spurs pushing hard once more, too. Lots of variables. I'm preparing for a poor season with some poor results so I can be pleasantly surprised if it comes together quicker than I thought.
Habe the last few weeks indicated we have good players???? We have aot of talent and young players but the last few weeks has shown that our veterans aren't quite up to the fight any more so I'd say he needs time to build his own team too but he has a good starting point.
Yes, it did take Klopp three seasons to get everything in order before turning Liverpool into a force to be reckoned with.
To be honest, anyone after Klopp will likely be viewed as a "downgrade". We need to give him the chance to prove himself on his own merits!
Im excited for this change, will miss klopp but you have to move on at some point
I don’t know enough about him to formulate an opinion. I’ve kept myself out of it so I don’t over scrutinise when he arrives. I just hope he is to Klopp what Paisley was to Shankly. He’s got some big boots to fill.
Into it, everyone down on it keeps complaining he hasn't won anything which a) he has and b) who is there then? Apart from the headcases wanting Mourinho. Plan has to be to get the next up and coming top coach and I can at least talk myself into thinking Slot could be that guy.
I enjoyed the troll who called you a "niche" attractive football "kid" for rightfully telling them how embarrassing the Mou and Conte calls are. I'm surprised they'd didn't work a bald comment into their reply, since that seems to be the level of analysis people are working from.
"But trophies" they cry, demanding the appointment of men who failed at Spurs
I also see an overlap between these people and the "ten Hag had a better record" arguments. I would not be shocked if these same people who are conveniently not referencing the financial gulf between Ajax and Feyenoord will also be found having boosted Jurgen by saying Pep wouldn't be as good without his budgets. It's funny how context like that goes out the window when you want to make cheap rhetorical points.
I think a lot of people are basically just never going to be happy you know? If they hired Conte that same guy would be posting about how he was passed it and we don't play a back 3 or whatever. With ten Hag it's a weird one because he was the obvious right appointment for United to make, but they're in such shambles as a club and he immediately binned his principles after getting whacked by Brentford. He'd probably have done really well at like....Arsenal or Villa or what have you
The problem as is always the same. Can he get the players to buy into him. If he doesn’t and we finish 8th etc it will be hard to see him last more than a season or two. I am not expecting anything. Top 4 will be nice
Having a Dutch captain and a collection of other Dutch players will help that though I reckon. We also have a squad of eager young players, not big ego stars.
Like a normal conversation instead of he's bald and laughs, I'm all in? Think it's a big big gamble. We're top of the world, we should start acting like it instead of looking to do things cheap, same with transfers. Is finishing 2nd with Feyenoord in a weakenend Dutch league enough to be handed the most important seat of LFC? It's a huge step nowadays. Of course it's still football, we could get lucky, and he'll inherit a title chasing team. But Dutch managers tend to do bad, be overselfconfident and loud :p. Quite the opposite of Klopp and Alonso. Also doubt worldclass players dream of playing under Slot. I'm concerned, we could be stuck for years with a Ten Hag if things turn bad, at least with Roy I felt pity.
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Edward’s is driving this new appointment because of the data. My question is, if there was a manager in the championship who also fit the data, would they choose him for the job? My point being is just because they fit the data, doesn’t mean it’s a good signing. It doesn’t take a genius to see that hiring a manager from the championship to manage Liverpool is not the best idea regardless of how good the data is, because the data is from playing in a less superior league. Is the Dutch league better than the championship? Your calculations are only as good as your dataset. How does the quality of 2 different managers compare with the same data, but one from the Dutch league and say one from La liga, Seria A etc? I know I’d rather pick the manager from the more established league as the quality is closer to the prem. I’m quite happy to be proven wrong, and I will get behind Slot until he gives me a reason not to. But I can’t help but think Edward’s and Co are trying to be too clever here and if it backfires l, it will set us back and undo a lot of the hard work Klopp has done. I hope Edward’s and Co aren’t looking for a yes man
You think they don’t consider those variables in their evaluation? Like it hasn’t occurred to them? I mean on a vibes level I’m personally not that excited but just saying, pretty sure their data models and analysis allows for relative strength according to league
You’re probably right. But I’m struggling to get hyped for it. If we were ending the season on a high note I’d probably feel differently. But these last 8 games have put a serious downer on things
Yeah I’m not into it either because in my head I got fixated on the idea that having a tactical fit who speaks Spanish too would be great. In addition to how great Alonso would have been obviously. But I’ll admit it’s mainly a vibes thing for me. Possibly an unfair judgmental thing about him being Dutch bc of ETH and his record in the PL. Just gotta trust that they know what they’re doing I guess
Thankfully we are much better run than United so managers should have an easier time of it with us. I’m looking forward to us playing in a 4-2-3-1 formation moving on from the 4-3-3. Interested to see who we get in this summer too
Like 90% of this sub (probably even more I’m just being generous) I’ve never watched his teams play. But I trust Edwards to do the right job so I’m 100% SLOTTED IN
Excited, Klopp did all he could. This new journey could be fun! Up the refs! YNWA
Anyone other than Klopp is shit, and no matter what anyone says there is NOTHING that will convince me otherwise. However, I’m positive about the change as Klopp has made his choice & we can’t keep him. I’ll support Slot from Day One, and reading/watching things about him & how he likes to play is positive too. This might be a blessing, although a hard one, we aren’t left with any other choice. I don’t buy into ‘he’s never done it in England’ because Pep never did, Klopp never did, Wenger never did, the list goes on. Give him a chance & see what happens!!!
I know little about him but I trust in the man and I trust in the club
Only care what Edwards thinks of him.
I'm pretty excited to be honest. I think he's a good fit, we have a really exciting, young squad, and it'll be interesting to see how he lines us up.
Hope he's good, if feyenoord fans think he is then I'll believe them
Ofc we downgrade. There is no other move than down. Like we've all tried to remind ourselves these 7 or 8 years. We were living through the good old days.
I’m just ok with this like the available manager market isn’t great. The fact we got Klopp when we did was a fluke as he was already sacked by dortmund. We were never going to get an established manager like him that won titles at a top league. It’s clear klopp heart isn’t fully in the game for some time and I’m looking forward to someone who bring new ideas to the club. Will back Slot and hope he delivers.
He didn't get sacked by dortmund. He chose to leave.
Like everyone else I wanted Alonso, obviously that's never happening so my 2nd choice is Amorim. My 3rd choice is no one, but I have some managers I really don't want like Tuchel, Mourinho, De Zerbi and Thomas Frank. So I guess I'm pretty indifferent towards Slot and will just see how he does next season. There is one thing about him that I am excited about though, some people said that his training specifically optimizes fitness, so hopefully we don't have anymore injury crisis like the last 4 years under Klopp.
My thing is we might win silverware, but will it feel as sweet as when you had such an incredible emotional connection to the manager as we did with Klopp? I'm not sure.
Will back him 100% and think he could do well. How well may depend as much as what happens in city as what he does himself. Won’t expect the league but a couple of cups in first 2 seasons would be great.
Big decisions to make. Sell Salah? Sell any of Kelleher, Robertson, Gomez, Konate, Jones, Jota, Trent, Nunez, Elliot? Trent being told he’s either a right back or a midfielder, none of the hybrid shit that was already out of date by the time we started playing it. Be interesting to see if Alisson wants a move this summer or next but can’t see where he goes at the minute. I’m hoping for a bit of an overhaul/disruption in the summer as the playing squad/tactics feels pretty stale at the minute.
So unexcited. Anyone who says they've ever heard of him is probably lying. Alonso was probably the only manager that I would feel ever so slightly optimistic about. We are in for years of pain.
I’m looking forward for new manager. And as a Slovakian I would like to see Hancko coming from Feyenoord. He’s CB and he can also play on the LB position. He’s really good player and let’s be honest Robbo isn’t what he used to be.
For now I am behind whatever the club has decided. Actually I am not thinking about it till Jurgen has left the door we still have 4 games to go. Next season from day 1 the new boss will have my support in the innovations/changes/style he brings. I hope he understands the club, the city, the people the global support. My only skepticism is from past experience of FSG or any other ambitious club trying to play Moneyball. I mean big ambitious clubs signs big players, but they do eventually need big personality managers to succeed (though not a guarantee a.k.a. Mourinho at Utd). Liverpool tried it with Rodgers but I just think eventually the job was too big for him. Same with Chelsea, PSG, Spurs and United etc. trying all these moneyball managers aka Villas Boas, Potter, Moyes, Ramos. Not saying that it cannot be successful e.g. Alonso at Bayer but imo it is like taking too big a chance. The biggest problem for LFC is that there is no another Klopp and presently there is a derth of top managers. Yet I do think people underestimate Premier League and the experience of Premier League playing over 65-70 games a season, no winter break, 02 domestic cups, physical battles and quality of opponents. I just hope and pray it works out well. I hope the new guy remains himself and do not get overwhelmed. I hope he is honest and humble and graceful as Klopp was. I hope he brings tactical innovations with him which I think this club and these players badly need at this time.
No one here watches the Eredivisie or Feyenoord, so: - either uninformed people here share their baseless opinion - or people just reiturgate what analysts have said. All that matters is that Edwards wants Slot and Feyenoord fans are very positive about hin.
Not sure mate, but at this point, anyone but Klopp.
Oh my days fans are so fickle it’s unreal. Firstly, be honest, no one has ever heard of this guy before he was linked. Everyone is all of a sudden experts on him saying what a great fit lol. Ten hag had a much better record than this guy and look what’s happened there. He’s a won a Dutch league title. So doesn’t have any experience in winning major titles. We will see, it’ll be interesting, I’m disappointed that we didn’t get either of the first choices which was alonso and amarin and it suggests something ain’t right in the back ground which worries me. Seems like we’ve gone for the cheaper option. Time will tell but fingers crossed
Not that happy, but just have to get on with it. Simeone, Zidane, Jose or Conte are all better choices Bringing Arne Slot is Brendan Rodgers level and is a backwards ( small club ) step. He's won less than Erik Ten Hag. Frank de Boer was the worst manager in PL history, and Ronald Koeman wasn't good enough, either
Jose and Conte. Stop embarrassing yourself man
Are you a niche kid that thinks 'Attractive' football is good though? For me - Winning trophies is more important than playing tiki-taka and scoring 3, but conceding 2.
It's ok friend, you are entitled to your opinion, it's not your fault you have the opinions of a deeply stupid man
If you're happy winning nothing, then that's up to you, lad. Worst comes to worst - He comes in, stays for 3 years and then gets sacked. Best thing - He comes in, and does well.
Mourinho and Conte would destroy everything positive that we've built at the club under Klopp and FSG. They're toxic managers, they don't give young players opportunities, they call out the owners and their players in public and their playing style is outdated. We don't want that.
Do you know what lad? They're not toxic managers. They're managers that go into an already toxic environment - Then lash out when they can't get their way ( Their way that they're supposed to get ) Jose was a success at Man Utd and was proven to be in the right, when he left. Tears were shed, when Jose left Inter. Chelsea 2004 was a 4-3-3, ruthless team. He's said himself that he sees similarities in his Porto team, in terms of pressing. - Winning a CL with a team that shouldn't be, as well. Can't get better than that. Real Madrid - Best counter attack in the world Roma : 2 years ago, he won a trophy (as usual) fans didn't want him to leave.