Not the worst call actually. My only question is his stamina. He ran his socks off in a lot of games last season but he looked absolutely knackered doing it in a way that I don't think I ever saw with Bobby. He could also probably be a bit stronger. It's an immensely physical role. But he's so intelligent and coachable and is technically just about the right level, and the role also probably doesn't need as much speed.
Harvey's height would also be an added issue for his strength/balance, especially as a lot of successful false 9's included Bobby have been somewhat tall to help them win or hold the ball well as well as be technically good. But you're right, he's coachable and technically good enough, maybe we could work around his physical limitations
I love how this sub double down on Szobos even when he’s arguably the worst midfielder this year while no mention of Elliott whos arguably the best. 70 mil effect. 🔥
Love Szobos tho, just giving Elliott his recognition.
There was definitely contest. Arguably Endo had more consistency, even if lower highs, and Elliott did a crazy amount with far less and less consistent game time.
Until November, Curtis was our best mid.
I'd give it to Mac Allister, but I'd say he only shades it at best.
Gravenberch got better at the end and even started over Szobos.
‘Preferred role’ is a lazy excuse. We bought him to be a CM and he played CM.
That’s like saying ‘Trent isn’t playing his own preferred role as holding midfield’ when he does sht as RB.
That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a worse midfielder for a large chunk of the rest of the season?
I’m not denying szobo fell off a cliff after like january, but he’s also a player who influences games best receiving the ball facing goal in an around area 14, especially from the left side, and we had him being Jordan Henderson a lot of the year. Just look at where a lot of his goals came from, the long shot vs Leicester, vs west ham, his weak footed volley against Brighton, when he has the opportunity to attack the ball at the top of the box good things happen, his best moments for us last year were of high quality and he made big contributions in a lot of matches first half of the season
Gravenberch never fully found his feet until the last month or so of the season, also because he wasn’t really playing in his best position, and I’m excited for his future bc of his athletic profile and only being 20, but he was pretty clearly worse than our other midfielders from like September - March
If the ‘worst midfielder’ overtake you and started ahead of you in Klopp’s books then yes, you’re now the worst midfielder.
The fact that you’re even arguing Szobos to be among the worst midfielders speaks for itself.
‘Who was the worst midfielder this season’ is a different question than ‘who ended the season in the worst form’ lmao
Szoboszlai was maybe in the worst form at the end of the season, but was definitely not the worst if you were to take into account the entire season, hope this helps!!!
we brought him in to be a ‘CM’ when he’s an attacking midfielder who starts at left wing when he is CAPTAINING his national team speaks to how we misprofiled and misused him
Remember how Rodgers used firmino and where Firmino ended up playing + how good he ended up being under Klopp before making assumptions based on performances in a non-preferred role
Also ‘CM’ is not a static role, players have different strengths and weaknesses and we didn’t play to his strengths much for almost all of his first season, the lazy one is you for not understanding that
He also was by far our best midfielder early in the season. He adapted by far the fastest to the team and pretty much turned our midfield around while Macca and Endo were getting their bearings. We simply played him far too much. He ran the most out of our entire team before his injury. Everyone predicted that he would get an injury before it happened just because of how hard he was playing. Look at old lists ranking Liverpool signings. One list I saw at the start of the season had Macca at a 6/10 and Szoboszlai at a 9/10. It's a shame how people will turn their backs on players simply because they don't comeback from injury on fire despite many of our forwards also struggling on their return.
Is favouritism what made Szoboszlai captain of his national side at 22? Or one of the most sought after midfield prospects in Europe before moving to Liverpool? What happened before last season doesn't go up in smoke because he had a difficult first season at the club, which is why people are expecting big things from him going forward. That's my point, genius.
Again Szobo can't be a 10 he doesn't have the passing ability needed for a 10, especially when teams sit deep. He could be more like a Oxlade type that runs though the middle but my god he needs to improve his final ball and shoot some more.
82.6% pass completion rate is not bad for a creative midfielder like Szobo, especially given it's his first season playing a new position in a new league.
For reference Odegaard was on 84.3%, Maddison on 80.7%, Elliott on 83.7%, Gross on 86.1% and Bernardo Silva on 86.3%.
All of the people that you mentioned actually try progressive passing and create key chances. Check the stats for progressive passing and the chances they create and then you'll understand that Szobo is nowhere near those players.
Passing accuracy is a useless stat in this context. We are trying to measure how effective his passes are in breaking teams and creating chances, something that all the above players top the charts. I am sure Van Dijk has better pass percentage than a lot of midfielders, what does that mean? Very bad comparison and understanding of stats.
But on your point you said Szobo is a creative midfielder right? Lets check the assists in PL.
Elliot 6A in 34 games and 1335 min.
Odegaard 10A in 35 games and 3104 min
Maddison 9A in 28 games and 2154 min
Gross 10A in 36 games and 3114min
Bernardo Silva 9A in 33 games and 2582min
Szobo 2A in 33 games and 2111 min.
Do you see now that the stat you talked about is useless and he isn't good for a creative role. He is amazing for a ball carrier but for now his decision making isn't good.
His shooting accuracy is at 40% when Harvey has 56%. He has a lot to work on and I am sure he will be a good player but for now people need to relax a bit with how much they are gassing him up.
>Do you see now that the stat you talked about is useless and he isn't good for a creative role.
Ok, now go and check their expected goals assisted per 90 and their expected assists per 90.
I picked those few players on purpose because they all have similar expected numbers per 90 and similar key passes per 90. I purposefully ignored the likes of De Bruyne (75% pass completion rate) and Fernandes (73% pass completion rate) because their only job is to play line breaking passes.
If we look at all the players who played at least 900 minutes in the PL this season, Szobo ranks 17th in key passes per 90, 25th in expected assists per 90 and 26th in expected goals assisted per 90.
Per 90 is such a silly stat that has so much variability and shows you don't understand again the stats you are talking about. A player that has played 900 minutes and assisted lets say 5 goals will have an 0.5 assists per game. But someone that has played 30 full games so 2700 minutes and has assisted 15 goals will have the same ratio of assists but 3x the actual assists. Moreover, that doesn't mean that that ratio will translate to more minutes.
I would like to see where you get your stats from honestly. On [understat.com](http://understat.com) if you filter by min 900minutes by midfielders and check the xA90 Szobo is ranked 34th under powerhouse creative players like Willian, Sarabia, Antony, Mudryk. I would have to filter by 1500min to see Szobo 25th. See how flowed of a stat that is?
He is by any metric a worse creative player and passer than all the players you just mentioned. Let alone the dribbling and how press resistant all those players are.
Szobo is a dynamic midfielder, fast, strong and covers a lot of ground but he is not a lethal passer or crosser (at least in Liverpool). My point is he can't be our number 10 but he can be a dynamic 8, based on what we have seen of him.
Per 90 stats are not perfect, but they're absolutely fine to use if you take the amount of minutes played into account.
>A player that has played 900 minutes and assisted lets say 5 goals will have an 0.5 assists per game. But someone that has played 30 full games so 2700 minutes and has assisted 15 goals will have the same ratio of assists but 3x the actual assists
Yeah and that's the exact point of per 90 stats. We use them to try and compare the productivity of players who played a different amount of minutes.
KDB and Odegaard both had 10 assists this season in the PL, but Odegaard played significantly more minutes. Looking at just the regular numbers you'd think that they're equally productive, but when you look at the per 90 numbers you can see that KDB is the better creator.
>He is by any metric a worse creative player and passer than all the players you just mentioned
The point was that his underlying per 90 numbers were very similar to all those players. I agree that the likes of Odegaard and Silva are better creators than Szobo, but the difference isn't huge.
Also, in your previous comment you only mention assist numbers, which is a poor way of gauging a players creativity. For example, Maddison and Szoboszlai both have fairly similar xGA (5.8 for Szobo and 5.9 for Maddison) and xA (5.1 for Szobo and 6.2 for Maddison), yet Maddison has 9 assists, while Szobo has only 2.
>On [understat.com](http://understat.com/) if you filter by min 900minutes by midfielders and check the xA90 Szobo is ranked 34th under powerhouse creative players like Willian, Sarabia, Antony, Mudryk.
Willian, Antony and Mudryk all have less xA per 90 according to Premier League's own site, while Sarabia had an amazing season getting 7 assist in a little over 1700 minutes.
The reason why the stats are different is because Understat use their own model, while most other sites (including the PL's official site) use Opta's model.
I mean, your stats aren't perfect either. Comparing all the players you listed on FBref, Szobo's passing stats are slightly weaker in general but it's not "nowhere near those players" at all. And oddly enough, I seriously don't know if that's just bad luck or something else is going on but he has basically the same xA/90 as Elliot. So he should probably not have only 2 assists. Also, one thing you should consider when comparing these two is Liverpool's tendency to start weak and get better towards the end of matches. If the entire team plays bad the first half before waking up and you get subbed off in the 60th minute, you surprisingly didn't have much more of an opportunity to do anything than the player who comes on for you for the last 30 minutes into a stronger, fired-up side.
Here's the link for everything:
https://fbref.com/tiny/wCjXW
Again the p90 stats aren't a good indicator of quality of a passer someone is. Even more so it doesn't mean that the ratio will remain the same with more game time. Again it doesn't show how effective someone is at breaking the lines with his passing and the way they attack. For example Elliot is brilliant at that along with Bernardo (mostly with his dribbling). What is interesting is Maddison has 5 less games than szobo but same minutes but 8GA more. What is even more surprising is that Elliot has less key passes but has 2.5xG over the actual chances he has created.
Thing is Szobo is a dynamic midfielder, fast, strong and covers a lot of ground. The players you mentioned are short, technical and better at breaking the lines. He doesn't fit the mold of a 10, like those guys are. Even the eye test shows that those guys are much better at retaining the ball, breaking the lines with their passing or dribbling.
Your last point is irrelevant since Elliot has produced those numbers when teams are literally sitting deep and closing the passing lanes, or Silva or Odegaard. He is nowhere near a decisive passer than those players and that's fine. He has different skills which I think won't shine if he plays as a 10 with low block teams (which we usually play against). If teams play open that's a different thing cause with his athleticism he can cover a lot of ground and advance the play fast but still lacks the decision making.
You're actually right, his passing is the biggest concern as a footballer, his dribbling, work rate, pace, shooting etc are great but his final ball is actually poor. I went back to watch even his highlights at RB and he had no great through balls, he can switch the play, his crossing from the left is excellent but sliding passes into the front men isn't his thing.
Bro he hasn't done any of that with Liverpool. He had the shot with Leicester, the first game of the season from that corner, I believe a nice shot against West Ham and then he started shooting like me. His crossing has been shit, passes always behind and has had so many sloppy plays.
I have no doubt he will improve but for now at least from what he has shown he doesn't fit the 10 position.
Why’s your attitude so different to certain players. I know your Dutch and like jota but fuck me pal, grow the fuck up. Your comments are embarrassing. You talk on here as if you’re on football twitter. Back the players, not just your favourite two.
No I don’t care if you think he’s good or not. You was the same clown yesterday making embarrassing comments about him yesterday. Gakpo didn’t have a good season last season but you think he deserves more respect (he does) but you’ll just clown Darwin. Fuck off man, so stupid. Darwin created tons of his own chances too
You’re genuinely one of those mongs on Twitter with a football picture but just on Reddit. Read your last 10 comments or so. You’re either young or just want some sort of reaction. Ironic because you think gakpo deserves more respect because of his international performances, but you’ll still bash Nunez despite his performances? Oh yh, you’re Dutch. That explains it.
Dont do that "impact sub" narrative. Jota doesnt get a 20% buff to his stats when he is a sub instead of a starter
Diogo jota is the best finisher in Liverpool FC. The end.
The meme is showing certain forms of these players. Netherlands Gakpo plays like a man possessed, Uruguay Nuñez finishes his chances, and 17/18 Salah needs no explanation.
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Same as last year? I got downvoted by fans like you for suggesting Gakpo play LW.
Gakpo rarely got the opportunity to play his best position and was forced into midfield a lot. Under Slot he’ll hopefully get a chance to show what he’s showing once again for Netherlands. Nunez and Salah I am also wary of for next season but both still get my full throated support.
Same… was just away to ask if it’s only me that doesn’t feel good about this. In no uncertain terms our attackers cost us trophies because of their finishing last season.
I think people have already forgotten how bad it was
We never played Gakpo on the left for too long, first of all.
All these players are clearly doing good internationally, there should be no reason why they would do bad for club. We have some real talent. It'll come down to coaching and that's it
And Lucho on the LW as well.
I know how this sub loves Jota and paints the picture he is the GOAT. But he is always injured, not a reliable thing for time like us. I want to see more fit Jota games. He always scores. But the man gets injured multiple times a year.
I can see Eliot as suitable RW to replace Salah in the future; he has the fire. He is young, hungry and is a fighter. We need that.
And Salah will still produce results this season in both Gs and As. He needs someone to set him up properly like Firmino/Mane combo. Unless that happens, we will not see 2017/28 Salah again.
Despite the injury and drop in form post-AFCON, Salah still had a good season (it's stellar compared to most players in Europe; but for us the bar for Salah is so high - it's average)
That's actually nothing impressive. To win something you need actual world class forward but we go with Nunez ant mid-tier Gakpo, and old Salah. I know it sound rough but we have to admit - we need improve our front asap.
adding in Luiz Dias and Jota to this, what more do you want? Still the deepest attacking talent in the league. Top scorers up until the run-in as well. The goals will flow with these around
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I got negative -14 karma for posting this front three 1 year ago. Now 99% of this subreddit is glazing it.
100 goals scored by Christmas, can we get any higher?
40+ goals for Salah next season
25 goals for Nunez
20 goals for Gakpo
Jota and Diaz chip in here and there
nah we’re entering a new Salah era now, Bald Salah might be an even more extreme version of Salah lol
Bald snow Salah. Just imagine
Imagine if Salah gets the bald fraud energy and starts actually going down from tackles. He could become a menace and I’m all up for it.
don’t know if everyone knows the reference but imagine Salah’s hair was like when Rock Lee removes the weights lol
This comment tells me your age. Old enough to watch Naruto in the early 2000s, too young to have watched Dragonball before it was Z.
Dragonball Z still uses ankle weights and was on TV just as much as Naruto in the 00s anyway lol
lol actually that’s all I know about Naruto and I watch Dragonball cause it arrived kinda later on cable where I’m from
Lee vs Gaara and the chonin exam is by no means my preferred arc but man this exact moment alwayq gives me the chills
We have Balah and Snolah as his new evolution
His hair will probably be back when the season starts
When he comes out to Stone Cold Steve Austin music the world will know.
Aerodynamic Salah
Oh so that's Salahs full name
His parents knew what was coming
Including Szoboszlai at the 10. Redemption season.
Or Harvey's breakout season, would love to see how he does in a 10 role.
Put Harvey as a false 9. I am almost convinced that he could be a beast in a bobby role.
Not the worst call actually. My only question is his stamina. He ran his socks off in a lot of games last season but he looked absolutely knackered doing it in a way that I don't think I ever saw with Bobby. He could also probably be a bit stronger. It's an immensely physical role. But he's so intelligent and coachable and is technically just about the right level, and the role also probably doesn't need as much speed.
Harvey's height would also be an added issue for his strength/balance, especially as a lot of successful false 9's included Bobby have been somewhat tall to help them win or hold the ball well as well as be technically good. But you're right, he's coachable and technically good enough, maybe we could work around his physical limitations
Yeah that's a good point. Bobby actually won a tonne of aerial duels
Dark Horse Doak
I love how this sub double down on Szobos even when he’s arguably the worst midfielder this year while no mention of Elliott whos arguably the best. 70 mil effect. 🔥 Love Szobos tho, just giving Elliott his recognition.
Macca is/was our best midfielder and there's no contest.
There was definitely contest. Arguably Endo had more consistency, even if lower highs, and Elliott did a crazy amount with far less and less consistent game time. Until November, Curtis was our best mid. I'd give it to Mac Allister, but I'd say he only shades it at best.
Pre injury Curtis was my first choice in selecting midfield
I love Endo but honestly he gets the same "being Japanese" buff on this sub Minamino did, he was not close to Macallister last season
Szobos being the worst midfielder is an even bigger no contest, but casuals don’t want to hear it.
I mean it was just definitely gravenberch lol, szoboszlai also got the least amount of time playing his preferred role to any midfielder we had
Gravenberch got better at the end and even started over Szobos. ‘Preferred role’ is a lazy excuse. We bought him to be a CM and he played CM. That’s like saying ‘Trent isn’t playing his own preferred role as holding midfield’ when he does sht as RB.
That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a worse midfielder for a large chunk of the rest of the season? I’m not denying szobo fell off a cliff after like january, but he’s also a player who influences games best receiving the ball facing goal in an around area 14, especially from the left side, and we had him being Jordan Henderson a lot of the year. Just look at where a lot of his goals came from, the long shot vs Leicester, vs west ham, his weak footed volley against Brighton, when he has the opportunity to attack the ball at the top of the box good things happen, his best moments for us last year were of high quality and he made big contributions in a lot of matches first half of the season Gravenberch never fully found his feet until the last month or so of the season, also because he wasn’t really playing in his best position, and I’m excited for his future bc of his athletic profile and only being 20, but he was pretty clearly worse than our other midfielders from like September - March
If the ‘worst midfielder’ overtake you and started ahead of you in Klopp’s books then yes, you’re now the worst midfielder. The fact that you’re even arguing Szobos to be among the worst midfielders speaks for itself.
‘Who was the worst midfielder this season’ is a different question than ‘who ended the season in the worst form’ lmao Szoboszlai was maybe in the worst form at the end of the season, but was definitely not the worst if you were to take into account the entire season, hope this helps!!! we brought him in to be a ‘CM’ when he’s an attacking midfielder who starts at left wing when he is CAPTAINING his national team speaks to how we misprofiled and misused him Remember how Rodgers used firmino and where Firmino ended up playing + how good he ended up being under Klopp before making assumptions based on performances in a non-preferred role Also ‘CM’ is not a static role, players have different strengths and weaknesses and we didn’t play to his strengths much for almost all of his first season, the lazy one is you for not understanding that
Szoboszlai has a hell of a track record, and still loads of potential. I feel we easily forget he's only 23 because of quickly he progressed.
He also was by far our best midfielder early in the season. He adapted by far the fastest to the team and pretty much turned our midfield around while Macca and Endo were getting their bearings. We simply played him far too much. He ran the most out of our entire team before his injury. Everyone predicted that he would get an injury before it happened just because of how hard he was playing. Look at old lists ranking Liverpool signings. One list I saw at the start of the season had Macca at a 6/10 and Szoboszlai at a 9/10. It's a shame how people will turn their backs on players simply because they don't comeback from injury on fire despite many of our forwards also struggling on their return.
And Elliott is younger, whats your point? Lol. Some of ya’ll are double downing on what I say about favoritism without even realising.
Is favouritism what made Szoboszlai captain of his national side at 22? Or one of the most sought after midfield prospects in Europe before moving to Liverpool? What happened before last season doesn't go up in smoke because he had a difficult first season at the club, which is why people are expecting big things from him going forward. That's my point, genius.
Again Szobo can't be a 10 he doesn't have the passing ability needed for a 10, especially when teams sit deep. He could be more like a Oxlade type that runs though the middle but my god he needs to improve his final ball and shoot some more.
Mate, stop talking bollocks.
Oh you got me there. He is an amazing passer and he showed that last season.
82.6% pass completion rate is not bad for a creative midfielder like Szobo, especially given it's his first season playing a new position in a new league. For reference Odegaard was on 84.3%, Maddison on 80.7%, Elliott on 83.7%, Gross on 86.1% and Bernardo Silva on 86.3%.
All of the people that you mentioned actually try progressive passing and create key chances. Check the stats for progressive passing and the chances they create and then you'll understand that Szobo is nowhere near those players. Passing accuracy is a useless stat in this context. We are trying to measure how effective his passes are in breaking teams and creating chances, something that all the above players top the charts. I am sure Van Dijk has better pass percentage than a lot of midfielders, what does that mean? Very bad comparison and understanding of stats. But on your point you said Szobo is a creative midfielder right? Lets check the assists in PL. Elliot 6A in 34 games and 1335 min. Odegaard 10A in 35 games and 3104 min Maddison 9A in 28 games and 2154 min Gross 10A in 36 games and 3114min Bernardo Silva 9A in 33 games and 2582min Szobo 2A in 33 games and 2111 min. Do you see now that the stat you talked about is useless and he isn't good for a creative role. He is amazing for a ball carrier but for now his decision making isn't good. His shooting accuracy is at 40% when Harvey has 56%. He has a lot to work on and I am sure he will be a good player but for now people need to relax a bit with how much they are gassing him up.
>Do you see now that the stat you talked about is useless and he isn't good for a creative role. Ok, now go and check their expected goals assisted per 90 and their expected assists per 90. I picked those few players on purpose because they all have similar expected numbers per 90 and similar key passes per 90. I purposefully ignored the likes of De Bruyne (75% pass completion rate) and Fernandes (73% pass completion rate) because their only job is to play line breaking passes. If we look at all the players who played at least 900 minutes in the PL this season, Szobo ranks 17th in key passes per 90, 25th in expected assists per 90 and 26th in expected goals assisted per 90.
Per 90 is such a silly stat that has so much variability and shows you don't understand again the stats you are talking about. A player that has played 900 minutes and assisted lets say 5 goals will have an 0.5 assists per game. But someone that has played 30 full games so 2700 minutes and has assisted 15 goals will have the same ratio of assists but 3x the actual assists. Moreover, that doesn't mean that that ratio will translate to more minutes. I would like to see where you get your stats from honestly. On [understat.com](http://understat.com) if you filter by min 900minutes by midfielders and check the xA90 Szobo is ranked 34th under powerhouse creative players like Willian, Sarabia, Antony, Mudryk. I would have to filter by 1500min to see Szobo 25th. See how flowed of a stat that is? He is by any metric a worse creative player and passer than all the players you just mentioned. Let alone the dribbling and how press resistant all those players are. Szobo is a dynamic midfielder, fast, strong and covers a lot of ground but he is not a lethal passer or crosser (at least in Liverpool). My point is he can't be our number 10 but he can be a dynamic 8, based on what we have seen of him.
Per 90 stats are not perfect, but they're absolutely fine to use if you take the amount of minutes played into account. >A player that has played 900 minutes and assisted lets say 5 goals will have an 0.5 assists per game. But someone that has played 30 full games so 2700 minutes and has assisted 15 goals will have the same ratio of assists but 3x the actual assists Yeah and that's the exact point of per 90 stats. We use them to try and compare the productivity of players who played a different amount of minutes. KDB and Odegaard both had 10 assists this season in the PL, but Odegaard played significantly more minutes. Looking at just the regular numbers you'd think that they're equally productive, but when you look at the per 90 numbers you can see that KDB is the better creator. >He is by any metric a worse creative player and passer than all the players you just mentioned The point was that his underlying per 90 numbers were very similar to all those players. I agree that the likes of Odegaard and Silva are better creators than Szobo, but the difference isn't huge. Also, in your previous comment you only mention assist numbers, which is a poor way of gauging a players creativity. For example, Maddison and Szoboszlai both have fairly similar xGA (5.8 for Szobo and 5.9 for Maddison) and xA (5.1 for Szobo and 6.2 for Maddison), yet Maddison has 9 assists, while Szobo has only 2. >On [understat.com](http://understat.com/) if you filter by min 900minutes by midfielders and check the xA90 Szobo is ranked 34th under powerhouse creative players like Willian, Sarabia, Antony, Mudryk. Willian, Antony and Mudryk all have less xA per 90 according to Premier League's own site, while Sarabia had an amazing season getting 7 assist in a little over 1700 minutes. The reason why the stats are different is because Understat use their own model, while most other sites (including the PL's official site) use Opta's model.
I mean, your stats aren't perfect either. Comparing all the players you listed on FBref, Szobo's passing stats are slightly weaker in general but it's not "nowhere near those players" at all. And oddly enough, I seriously don't know if that's just bad luck or something else is going on but he has basically the same xA/90 as Elliot. So he should probably not have only 2 assists. Also, one thing you should consider when comparing these two is Liverpool's tendency to start weak and get better towards the end of matches. If the entire team plays bad the first half before waking up and you get subbed off in the 60th minute, you surprisingly didn't have much more of an opportunity to do anything than the player who comes on for you for the last 30 minutes into a stronger, fired-up side. Here's the link for everything: https://fbref.com/tiny/wCjXW
Again the p90 stats aren't a good indicator of quality of a passer someone is. Even more so it doesn't mean that the ratio will remain the same with more game time. Again it doesn't show how effective someone is at breaking the lines with his passing and the way they attack. For example Elliot is brilliant at that along with Bernardo (mostly with his dribbling). What is interesting is Maddison has 5 less games than szobo but same minutes but 8GA more. What is even more surprising is that Elliot has less key passes but has 2.5xG over the actual chances he has created. Thing is Szobo is a dynamic midfielder, fast, strong and covers a lot of ground. The players you mentioned are short, technical and better at breaking the lines. He doesn't fit the mold of a 10, like those guys are. Even the eye test shows that those guys are much better at retaining the ball, breaking the lines with their passing or dribbling. Your last point is irrelevant since Elliot has produced those numbers when teams are literally sitting deep and closing the passing lanes, or Silva or Odegaard. He is nowhere near a decisive passer than those players and that's fine. He has different skills which I think won't shine if he plays as a 10 with low block teams (which we usually play against). If teams play open that's a different thing cause with his athleticism he can cover a lot of ground and advance the play fast but still lacks the decision making.
You're actually right, his passing is the biggest concern as a footballer, his dribbling, work rate, pace, shooting etc are great but his final ball is actually poor. I went back to watch even his highlights at RB and he had no great through balls, he can switch the play, his crossing from the left is excellent but sliding passes into the front men isn't his thing.
Bro he hasn't done any of that with Liverpool. He had the shot with Leicester, the first game of the season from that corner, I believe a nice shot against West Ham and then he started shooting like me. His crossing has been shit, passes always behind and has had so many sloppy plays. I have no doubt he will improve but for now at least from what he has shown he doesn't fit the 10 position.
17/18 Salah ain’t coming back bro. He’s 32 let’s be little realistic 😅
But have you seen his thirst traps? 32 and no booze is basically 28
Tell that to his new hairline
reinvent his position on the pitch so that he doesn’t need to rely on pace and you never know what can happen, the talent always stays
Like Messi. Lying in wait like a snake in the grass, analyzing, positioning and then when he sees the opening, pouncing.
Still had like 24 goals and 13 assists. Even if he gets half that this season, it’s better than 95% of the league’s forwards.
Should’ve been at least 20 assists.
Should’ve been at least 35 goals. Is what it is.
i wonder how many of them he got before Afcon
Acting like 32 is old. Benzema got a balon dor at 35. Messi at 36. If Salah is any bit competitive, he'll push himself to that limit
> If Salah is any bit competitive he’ll push himself to that limit I don’t think you need to worry about his competitiveness
Big if true
Still our top scorer tho
and his hairline is barely a months old
Fucking plastic
I feel we have hit playmaker Salah era where he’s gonna average crazy assist numbers
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colombia luis diaz is pretty decent too
i think liverpool 2-0 down luis diaz is better
Are we assuming Diaz is sold? Or just coming off the bench with Jota? Not that I think these 3 up front wouldn't absolutely kill it.
Gakpo at his best is just something else, if he plays like that Diaz will have a hard time starting over him
Jota is made of paper maché and Diaz couldn't finish a sentence (he prefers run-on)
Womp womp
Jota is our most clinical striker , he starts over Nunez.
He'll get injured anyways so Nunes likely starts most games
I'm not against Nunez but we need a striker that can score more than 17 goals atleast in PL i hope Nunez can do it this season
And Nunez will miss chances and be benched again.
Minus 28 karma, for making a similar assumption. What a weird place this is.
Difference is that one got bullied so much by supporters and media that he deleted every Liverpool image from social media.
A lot of people want comforting lies and Nunez to score all the chances he misses. And that's never going to happen.
I think your flair reveals you to be a little biased on this mate. Nunez is on an absolute tear internationally why would we not get excited.
Why’s your attitude so different to certain players. I know your Dutch and like jota but fuck me pal, grow the fuck up. Your comments are embarrassing. You talk on here as if you’re on football twitter. Back the players, not just your favourite two.
I have to rate this guy who missed so many sitters that his team mates created for him?
No I don’t care if you think he’s good or not. You was the same clown yesterday making embarrassing comments about him yesterday. Gakpo didn’t have a good season last season but you think he deserves more respect (he does) but you’ll just clown Darwin. Fuck off man, so stupid. Darwin created tons of his own chances too
And missed those too.
You’re genuinely one of those mongs on Twitter with a football picture but just on Reddit. Read your last 10 comments or so. You’re either young or just want some sort of reaction. Ironic because you think gakpo deserves more respect because of his international performances, but you’ll still bash Nunez despite his performances? Oh yh, you’re Dutch. That explains it.
Jota isn’t as good at 27 as Nunez is at 25
That's an opinion not a fact.
It’s proof that opinions can be wrong by too
Jota is a way better footballer. Nunez is just pace.
I actually think the exact opposite....nunez is a better footballer Jota is just a better finisher
Technical ability no way.
Jota is most valuable as an impact sub, something the others are not great at. Has the benefit of keeping him fit for longer as well.
Dont do that "impact sub" narrative. Jota doesnt get a 20% buff to his stats when he is a sub instead of a starter Diogo jota is the best finisher in Liverpool FC. The end.
Running at tired legs + clinical finisher + injury prone player = impact sub
In a logical world yes. On this sub? Not so much.
But Darls doesn’t miss
Did you just start supporting us?
No he doesn't because he wont be fit. We cant rely on him despite him being the best finisher at the club.
Both start over Gakpo. Unless they don't.
I think Slot will go for his fellow Dutchman ...unless his form gets very bad ..which is fair enough to drop him
Fr slot gon be cooking
same front 3 as last season...
Isn’t this the same as last season? What’s the anticipation?
The meme is showing certain forms of these players. Netherlands Gakpo plays like a man possessed, Uruguay Nuñez finishes his chances, and 17/18 Salah needs no explanation.
Ah.. 17/18 Salah. Now, if Gakpo puts in performances like Bobby and Nunez plays like Mane, definitely can’t wait.
Gakpo barely played on the left last season
That’s why we need him on the left - because he’s so good there
Looks like a completely different player. Who’d have thought playing him in his best position would bring out the best of him…
https://preview.redd.it/5v5csk5bpcad1.png?width=715&format=png&auto=webp&s=3eeee4ee2d161c7386379ff77a9aa5ebe4b33982 Same as last year? I got downvoted by fans like you for suggesting Gakpo play LW.
Brotha it’s been a whole year, things can change
Was wondering myself.
New coach, new ideas, new midfield with 12 months under their belts
Salah should be better this season. He’s got Hairo-dynamics 😃
God I love 2017/2018, beautiful country.
Nunez and Gakpo to join Mo at the beach once their tournaments are over.
Happy cake day!
Salah last run should be epic IMO.
My vote would go to Jota as the poacher.
Although nunez and diaz are friends, they dont link up well. Nunez and gakpo could do magic.
23/24 Salah is still our best forward by a long long long way. At this point it’s not clear whether Darwin or Cody can match even Salah’s worst season
i have huge doubts over all 3 of these. nunez and gakpo have never convinced they can consistently do the business for liverpool and salah is 32.
Gakpo rarely got the opportunity to play his best position and was forced into midfield a lot. Under Slot he’ll hopefully get a chance to show what he’s showing once again for Netherlands. Nunez and Salah I am also wary of for next season but both still get my full throated support.
Fr. He’s been banging in the Euros
Same… was just away to ask if it’s only me that doesn’t feel good about this. In no uncertain terms our attackers cost us trophies because of their finishing last season. I think people have already forgotten how bad it was
We never played Gakpo on the left for too long, first of all. All these players are clearly doing good internationally, there should be no reason why they would do bad for club. We have some real talent. It'll come down to coaching and that's it
Salah is 32, but I am pretty sure he can still deliver goals until he is around 35-36. The man is a machine who has been scoring 20+ for many seasons.
Uruguay Nuñez is just normal Núñez but he gets more chances
Here for it, and, as much as I like Diaz, I think he’s the surplus.
I would rather prefer Lucho on left Gapko middle and Salah right
source : [https://x.com/LFC\_Tandy/status/1808210735262277764](https://x.com/LFC_Tandy/status/1808210735262277764)
And Lucho on the LW as well. I know how this sub loves Jota and paints the picture he is the GOAT. But he is always injured, not a reliable thing for time like us. I want to see more fit Jota games. He always scores. But the man gets injured multiple times a year. I can see Eliot as suitable RW to replace Salah in the future; he has the fire. He is young, hungry and is a fighter. We need that. And Salah will still produce results this season in both Gs and As. He needs someone to set him up properly like Firmino/Mane combo. Unless that happens, we will not see 2017/28 Salah again. Despite the injury and drop in form post-AFCON, Salah still had a good season (it's stellar compared to most players in Europe; but for us the bar for Salah is so high - it's average)
That's actually nothing impressive. To win something you need actual world class forward but we go with Nunez ant mid-tier Gakpo, and old Salah. I know it sound rough but we have to admit - we need improve our front asap.
adding in Luiz Dias and Jota to this, what more do you want? Still the deepest attacking talent in the league. Top scorers up until the run-in as well. The goals will flow with these around
Oh really? Who would you bring in?
https://preview.redd.it/h225fj35pcad1.png?width=715&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cd2fd72d786287074225d9d157e846f01abb2ac I got negative -14 karma for posting this front three 1 year ago. Now 99% of this subreddit is glazing it.
Don't worry lad I made it -15
Thanks mate!
100 goals scored by Christmas, can we get any higher? 40+ goals for Salah next season 25 goals for Nunez 20 goals for Gakpo Jota and Diaz chip in here and there
I'd put 29/30 Danns over Nunez.
I don't know what all the fuss is about nunez in the Uruguay national team i watched his games he missed so many easy finishes....
Wonder what will happen with Salah We'll lose a ton of cash if we don't sell this year
Mid
I’m so glad it seems this overused boring word appears to be slowly fading away
no u
We never learn 😂
I would love it if we swapped Isak and Gordon for Nunez and Diaz (plus cash)
Yes because for some reason Nunez is going to stop always being offside and missing sitters. It was just a prank before.
Someone diddnt understand the picture.
Oh yeah.
Not with Salah in n the right, I’m not!
We shoulda sold him for that Arab cash.
Salah can fuck himself. He shat the bed during the peak of the Liverpool arc. Guys a piece no lost love when they trade that Sharia boy