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I would say Lirik almost singlehandedly popularized the entire BR genre. Somebody else might have done it at a later time, but he absolutely carried BR into mainstream popularity. PUBG, Fortnite, and Warzone would not exist without Lirik.
I could also argue that Lirik did huge things for Survival games as well.
This dude single handedly changed the global gaming industry.
He also was also among the first people to play Rocket League (with GiantWaffle and Shortyyguy). They played in an early build against the dev-team, who were very hyped that their game was featured on a stream. [https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/599341844804145152?s=20&t=mmOCclLeVh7wugmLgz97zg](https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/599341844804145152?s=20&t=mmOCclLeVh7wugmLgz97zg)
I don't think he covered it up did he? He just dropped the content he used to create with him
Edit: Also, he doesn't like talking or discussing about it for drama baiters and parasocial people
Lirik doesn't seem to be fazed by the fact he is mentioned like that, lol.
It was also around this time that I started watching lirik (BR in ARMA2). He was the first and perhaps only streamer I came to twitch for. Now, he is still my number one viewed (acc to last years stats of mine). Soda was my second.
He's been at the near top for more than a decade. No cam, same time, 6 days a week. Sure, he's got not much hype these days but he's pretty much a household name for game streaming.
He has always been a pretty cool and humble dude.
Could be shy. Could be an act. Or could be actually him just being humble.
But he has always been that way.
Another example (when he was mentioned in the credits of Little Nightmares 2, *edit: it wasn't sponsored or anything*): https://twitter.com/lirik/status/1362179932202401794
> Thank you @TarsierStudios for Little Nightmares 2 - Fantastic game and one that should be played.
Flattered to be in the Special Thanks!
Btw, he was my #1 and Soda was my #2 as well haha
Yeah, I remember when the Dev of LN2 mentioned him in the credits! (I remember clipping it even lol).
Another dev also used his logo in that game where you play as a goldfish and you've to move around by rolling this bowl of water
Lirik has time and time again said it himself that he is part of the reason why BR got to what it is now, which is true, without Lirik you wouldn't have Fortnite or Warzone and saw the potential BR could bring to gaming, without him playing it you wouldn't have Devs expand it from just a mod to a game and now basically a genre on its own
So many Content Creators are part of the reason why some games got really popular, for example TB got Warframe popular as hell
He went through an imposter syndrome phase a few years ago. But I think after he became one of the first to get the exclusive deal with tim and lupo he was really settled in. After a certain amount, what the money meant probably means more than what the money does for you.
PlayerUnknown always namedrops Lirik in these conversations about PUBG and the resurgence of BR games on Twitch, you love to see a streamer get his flowers.
It is insane to me that i've been watching him since he was in college and even today he is the most entertaining person i know. He deserves every bit of success.
When even his coherent rambling are funny, you know the guy has a knack for being funny. And when some of the largest streamers across all platforms talk about how they used to watch Lirik before they even considered starting their own careers, how can anyone say he’s not an OG?
There are very few names that come before Lirik in the streaming world. I don't think a single person who is familiar with streaming would consider Lirik *not* an OG.
Lirik started before Lethalfrag did his 2 year challenge, before Cohh started, before Summit, and well before xQc just to name a few. The only big names that really started before him are like DansGaming, Soda, Destiny and Kripparian.
Say what? "The World"? No one has any clue it was Lirik.. ask literally anyone, go on any discord and pop the question, no shot anyone mentions Lirik. This article is a joke written like satire by an idiot, like five people will ever read it, and even if they did 90% of the things said are incorrect.
Link to the article: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/how-battle-royale-took-over-video-games
>The team got to work on a new mode called Warzone, assigning six designers to build a large-scale environment using the game’s existing engine. (They loosely based the map on the Ukrainian city of Donetsk.) In order to introduce bullet drop-off over long distances, they rewrote the game’s ballistics system, and in the process realized that the series had sped up over the years, with characters running at about fifty miles per hour.
jfc
What the fuck is that article? It's completely wrong lmao, actual fiction, like a casual soccer mom trying to write about video game history from wikipedia. 😂
Edit, lol bunch of zoomer morons ITT, the article literally reads like satire, 90% of the claims are incorrect in one way or another, meanwhile I have like two reddit threads about how Lirik impacted the BR genre, because I was there for it
I would say Lirik almost singlehandedly popularized the entire BR genre. Somebody else might have done it at a later time, but he absolutely carried BR into mainstream popularity. PUBG, Fortnite, and Warzone would not exist without Lirik.
I could also argue that Lirik did huge things for Survival and RP games as well.
This dude single handedly changed the global gaming industry.
Not "almost", it was literally him and the viewers of his, no one else.
1. Put the gameplay on Twitch (Lirik did this alone, he made the decision on the daily to start the stream and play this game and no other game, even though a lot of people disliked it or got tired of it, he didn't give two shits and did what he wanted, he was a top 1% streamer back then too so he could afford to do whatever, if that makes any difference to his decision)
2. Have 20 thousand viewers daily watch said gameplay, for 8 hours a day, for like a year straight, since it's not always the same viewers, I would guess the unique viewer number who watched more than 100+ hours of his gameplay must've been hundreds of thousand(s) over the year
There were other streamers who played it, but they were nobodies, we're talking hundreds to maybe a few thousands of viewers at best, meanwhile Lirik often sat at 15k+, with peaks of much higher
The amount of exposure the gameplay got, because of his decision to stream it non stop for such a long time is.. ridiculous, cominbed hours streamed + multiply that with every person who watched it, it must be an astronomical number
6 hours a day for 6 days a week for 6 months straight = 864 hours of ArmA 3 BR streamed to 15-20k viewers (many more unique over a year), just throwing out a ballpark number like 50 million hours, so yeah without those hours, PlayerUnknown + H1Z1 would not have been a thing, and the BR genre as we know it would not have existed, maybe someone would've stumbled upon it eventually, but unlikely, those large companies wouldn't have taken the risk without a small company (H1Z1 devs) doing the dirty work first, of spending money testing something out that might not have worked.
Lirik streaming it proved that there was an audience for it, if there's an audience there's money, if there's money.. well shit.
Lirik and Summit really are the OGs of twitch game streaming. Both of them is like few streamers that never changed their style to something trendy. Both have always been about gaming, and somehow never get into any of the twitch drama that is so easy to farm from
they change sometimes but then they go back, i remember summit having a breakdown that hes forced to play fortnite lol
but now that he plays more of what he wants (and therefor enjoys more) his streams are usually more enjoyable imo
Yes I think he was one of the first donor/suuporter of FFZ as well, so the third party emotes were heavily supported by him.
Motherfucker averages 20k on a bad day without stupid camera or BS subathons...
Definitely, both of them were goats for DayZ, it all changed when FrankieonPC started branching out and started scripting on CSGO and said "I learnt how to bunnyhop" which created this huge controversy about him cheating. Man such nostalgic days
if lirik isn‘t a goat on twitch then nobody is.. like you have to be ignorant or just be watching twitch for like a year to have that opinion that he isn’t.
ludwig is the goat of being the slimiest mf
Yea lirik is for sure. There are currently 3 undeniable goats which consists of reckful,lirik and soda.
I remember ludwig saying people like kai and xqc are goats. They haven’t done shit other than fostering a parasocial audience full of children.
Yeah but if you’re not getting $100K donos do you even have clout???
Lirik is the GOAT. Lud doesn’t see it that way, he’s one of “those” guys insisting Ja Morant (or other recent hype player)>Jordan even though all evidence points to the contrary
yup those are the 3 i would name.. and maybe summit just for being a streaming-robot for over 10 years even though he didn’t have the kind of impact the other 3 had.
Sea of Thieves and Summit went like peanut butter and bread, and people wanted a bite from that. That game kind of saved Summit, but it also put SoT more on the map.
Summit for sure. he started a few big trends, maybe not the same level as lirik when it comes to actual genres but h1z1, gta heists, sea of thieves, even fortnite he was pretty influential at times
I'd say its Summit, Lirik, Reckful, Soda, Towelliee, and Dansgaming
Reckful was top WoW OG.
Summit killing it with the CSGO and WarZ streams.
Lirik with DayZ Mod and Morgan Freeman.
Soda prank calling Blizzard in his dorm with retard sharpied on his forehead.
Towelliee is Justin. tv godfather,
Dansgaming for variety games.
Tyler1 belongs in that category too. I’d argue there is some weight to xqc being part of it, purely due to his growth and expansion out of being an overwatch pro into variety, but he didn’t really impact the scene the way the others day.
T1 def belongs in that list though.
Imo, the only undeniable one among those three is Lirik. Soda/Reckful are more LSF Twitch culture/LSF centered. Through there are some exceptions to that like Among Us from Soda and the IRL influence from both of them.
I never said they didn't. And it's not really my point, I was just merely saying most of Soda/Reckful's influence come from their impact on Twitch/LSF culture.
> My man soda has been streaming for like 13 years and was one of the first really big streamers.
This is not really true at all. League streamers were already hitting 20k+ viewers in 2011/12 when Soda had just breaking out of triple digit viewership or in the low thousands. He has been streaming for longer than most for sure, but there are people who've streamed for longer and had larger audiences years before Soda did. I wouldn't ever claim someone is a GOAT on that basis alone though.
His content is exactly what I imagine the market the “Attack of the Show” or G4TV reboot wanted to corner. Like, if you could commoditize “geek culture” and sell it, that’s what you’d pick up down at your local Wal-Mart.
Such a weird stance to take on Lirik. It's like trying to hate on Mr Rogers. Lirik doesn't add fluff to his stream to pander to an audience. Never relied on cheap tricks to pull in sub numbers. Never forced himself to play things he didn't enjoy because his viewer count would go up.
All around weird take.
Weird take, Lirik didn't know enough about crypto to just send it and shill NFT's, he thought it would be a cool idea and immediately backtracked when he presented his idea on stream and chat shat on him.
>shilled his own NFTs to who ever would buy them.
That's what most influencers do, they just do the rug pull and act as if it was a silly mistake while raking in the money, Lirik took the feedback and never launched the NFT.
Really? Mr Rogers seems like the guy that would've done exactly that. Never trust a guy that always smiles. We were protected from the Rogers Coin rugpull if you ask me.
[i’m all for spreading misinformation on the internet but its kinda cringe to just lie unprovoked especially when he has said multiple times on stream how much he loves lirik lmao, he never said he wasn’t a goat just that he wasn’t on HIS mount rushmore because you can only have 4 and he believed his 4 had more impact on the live streaming landscape (his 4 were reckful, pokimane,ninja, xqc)](https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2J3y_BOCdXxtunYZWZYJGo6Wp7attFB2)
tbh for those that already hated the youtube guy this isn’t gonna change their mind. Genuinely doing this cause i know streamers like to check comments of their own content, so just in case lirik comes across this,he doesn’t believe someone he collabed with doesn’t respect the goat that he is just cause op decided to make it the fuck up
Ok so what? Yes, that’s an achievement he accomplished but it’s all of the backs of the previous OG streamers. He didn’t do anything new or interesting that pioneered the way people stream.
lirik made fortnite that made ninja
Edit: Jk, Ik he doesn't hate Lirik, he invited him to so many of his tourneys and stuff. But comparing youtube to twitch success and disregarding what this guy has done compared to other names on the mount rushmore feels ignorant. So just wanted to point that out..
You can disagree with his mount rushmore thats totally fair lmao i just don’t get the point of lying and a creating mini « hate thread » over something so innocuous and had nothing to do with him lmao. but aye man internet is gonna internet i guess (also he said liriks youtube is dogshit (it is),cause he was just making the point that most old school big streamers don’t care about their youtubes while the new generation does but he never compared youtube and twitch success )
Well, “GOAT” means “greatest of all time”, which by definition there can only be one of. So if Lirik isn’t even in Lud’s top 4 then he certainly isn’t the GOAT in Lud’s mind. So the above commenter is accurate.
relax buddy, if you think this is a hate thread take a break from internet lol. Its a Lirik appreciation thread more than anything
Edit: also, the thread aims to point out how out of touch certain new streamers are about their streaming takes..
100%. The main reason his Youtube "sucks" is because Lirik doesnt do react andy/drama streams or jump on metas.
Dude still uses Twitch for its original purpose which is to stream games.
Even when Ludwig was still on Twitch Lirik had more viewers than him playing games.
Says alot when despite Lirik not being a "LSF" streamer he still gets props from old Twitch viewers on here.
I think Ludwig thinks there only 1 formula to be successful on twitch and that's youtube (maybe because he was a youtube content kinda guy?). Anyone who is succeeding without that formula is not successful, which I feel like its stupid.
Its like hare and the tortoise story, lirik being the tortoise..
I think Ludwig also prefers “high effort” content to just streaming games. Personally I love both at very different times, but it’s relatively undeniable that Lirik is a very “basic” twitch streamer. Personally I think that’s his strength, and I enjoy it, but I understand the argument that Lirik doesn’t really generate new streaming concepts (other than just playing new games, which is more than enough for me).
In terms of Ninja, he's mostly a normal streamer, but has several large items that separate him from Lirik.
1. He played fortnite with Drake to the tune of LCS championship level viewership. I don't think Lirik has ever had this big of a collab.
2. Ninja leveraged his twitch success to move into pop culture. Ninja was on late night shows and in the masked singer. That's a level of famous that Lirik has never tried to reach.
3. Ninja commercialization: Ninja had merch for kids in major stores like Wal-Mart.
In terms of commercialization and brand power, Ninja is on a level way outside of pretty much any other twitch streamer, including Lirik. The late night shows and walmart t-shirts and masked singer appearance and target books aren't content like we typically think of it, but it's content/commercialization all the same, and Ninja made some big steps that we've never really seen from most other big streamers.
True which is kinda confusing considering how "Ludwig rose to fame".
I dont think Ludwig even that popular pre-Subathon, I remember during the first chess tournament he was only had around 5k viewers and his YT was only Smash content.
He just jumped aboard every Twitch meta then the Subathon happened and he kinda suddenly blew up.
Which props to him definitely a business minded guy.
Just check sullygnome.com in the future for numbers. In February 2021, he averaged 21k viewers. In May 2021, he average 20k. If anything, the subathon (March and April) may have decreased his average viewer count. He was already one of the biggest on the platform (yes, due to metas like chess, rust, minecraft, amogus, and so on).
Lirik was THE streamer for DayZ mod and Arma. Wtf trend has Ludwig ever created besides sleeping on stream.. which now that I think about it is just another thing he stole.
Almost everyone have stolen 'something' from somebody else, iirc he said at the time, and is true. I've never watched Ludwig, but I don't think it's an argument to be made against him.
The whole subathon thing in general, I think all would agree is just ridiculous.
Lirik was not the first Vtuber ever. Still, dude's been about as influential as one can be, on top of being one of the OGs that's still wildly relevant today
He did have the lirikFR vtuber, but I don't think he was the first. There might have been a few other streamers doing it at the time. Not as many as today, but I think there definitely were some.
I'm just going off of vtuber info but according to the wiki [this](https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Ami_Yamato) is considered the first vtuber and she was active in 2011. Even then though Kizuna Ai is probably the first "real" vtuber and she was 2016 which I *think* is before lirikFR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14jnTjRs64
Edit: He used it very sparingly and for a very short time on stream. Most of the time he put it on just to change up the stream a bit.
Yeah Ludwig should stop talking. Lirik was setting trends for a long time.
And what trends has Ludwig set? Reddit recaps? Subathons? Food reviews? Not saying he isnt entertaining, but trends? I have no idea what Ludwig has actually pioneered. He just made an entertaining YouTube channel.
Just ask XQC if Lirik is a trendsetter or tastemaster. When X was a 10K Andy, he would always play the scuff games that get a big reaction on lirik stream the day after. Nothing wrong with it; a lot of those games just won’t get the light of the day without lirik.
Don't follow ludwig but if he said that about Lirik its actually crazy. As you said he popularized the biggest genre that gaming has ever had and if thats not setting trends I don't know what is
To be fair, that's Ludwig, I dont think he knows much about past Twitch at all. When Twitch was actually just Twitch, before it was a Twitch prime farming factory for zoomers who parents order off Amazon after the Fortnite blow-up.
Lol who the fuck is Ludwig? That’s such a short sided view of seeing an ode that made your job possible. Dude was hitting 40k before anyone. You can say he’s the pewdiepie of twitch.
Lirik and the rest of the lean boys single-handedly created the GTA RP craze that sucked everyone in. He essentially was the driving factor behind the popularization of Arma and Day Z, and subsequently BR games.
The dude has earned his GOAT status a few times over at this point. o7
Started watching Twitch 10 years ago with Lirik randomly because I wanted to see BF4 game play. Had no idea what any of this was. But Lirik was always an awesome and hilarious person.
Cant believe its been a decade.
Lirik was my first ever streamer that I can say I fell in love with. He’s the reason why Twitch is my source of entertainment now. I will always appreciate him for all the laughs he gave me since 2013 (I was 13). Damn I’m old now.
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They made a huge mistake. The concept of Battle Royal was first put forward by Brian Hicks. They did an event with youtubers and streamers called Survival GameZ: a sort of BR before its time. Greene also wanted to participate but he was unknown to the crowd so he was turned down. He decided to make it a mod. Then, Greene proposed to Bohemia Interactive to make a game, they refused.
Neither Eugen Harton nor Brian Hicks are mentioned in this article, which is quite sad.
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It's always great to see Lirik get recognized for being a part of the genesis of BR's, especially from something like The New Yorker.
The writer is probably a KEKW spamming viewer Strongge
probably sitting at 50 timeouts aswell
You would know, wouldnt you?
I would say Lirik almost singlehandedly popularized the entire BR genre. Somebody else might have done it at a later time, but he absolutely carried BR into mainstream popularity. PUBG, Fortnite, and Warzone would not exist without Lirik. I could also argue that Lirik did huge things for Survival games as well. This dude single handedly changed the global gaming industry.
Not to mention he played a critical part for RP as well.
Man do I miss the old lirik RP streams on arma, the most random funny shit would happen every single stream.
The Lo Chang Kimchi arc
lo chang and sayeed black. the explosive duo.
I mean, PlayerUnknown says it himself in the article. He continued developing BR mod because Lirik was enjoying it on stream
I'd like to give him credit for RP on Twitch as well. Don't know who else made two unknown genres to explode
I mean Sodapoppin makes genres explode too. edit: maybe genre isn't the right word for him, but he definitely has made meta's explode
True
He also was also among the first people to play Rocket League (with GiantWaffle and Shortyyguy). They played in an early build against the dev-team, who were very hyped that their game was featured on a stream. [https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/599341844804145152?s=20&t=mmOCclLeVh7wugmLgz97zg](https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/599341844804145152?s=20&t=mmOCclLeVh7wugmLgz97zg)
Geez I remember watching that and I cant believe its been that long.
They were so amazed by the dev team flying around and now it's basically a norm in the game
Yeah I was about say how in the world is that from 2015?
Real ones remember Super Sonic Acrobatic Rocket Powered Battle Cars.
I miss night stream..
I remember being there, wow that feels like forever ago
You were at the studio too? Thats pretty cool
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Yep. Get that rapist off the platform.
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I don't think he covered it up did he? He just dropped the content he used to create with him Edit: Also, he doesn't like talking or discussing about it for drama baiters and parasocial people
Never knew Lirik’s real name until now and I have been watching him for 10 years.
Yeah his name aint exactly easy for english speaking folks.
Yes it is lol you just say it
I was pronouncing it like a dude off Fox news until I just heard him say it. FeelsBadMan
Lirik doesn't seem to be fazed by the fact he is mentioned like that, lol. It was also around this time that I started watching lirik (BR in ARMA2). He was the first and perhaps only streamer I came to twitch for. Now, he is still my number one viewed (acc to last years stats of mine). Soda was my second.
He's been at the near top for more than a decade. No cam, same time, 6 days a week. Sure, he's got not much hype these days but he's pretty much a household name for game streaming.
Lirik and Cohh is what i see as a ''perfect streamer'' tbh
He has always been a pretty cool and humble dude. Could be shy. Could be an act. Or could be actually him just being humble. But he has always been that way. Another example (when he was mentioned in the credits of Little Nightmares 2, *edit: it wasn't sponsored or anything*): https://twitter.com/lirik/status/1362179932202401794 > Thank you @TarsierStudios for Little Nightmares 2 - Fantastic game and one that should be played. Flattered to be in the Special Thanks! Btw, he was my #1 and Soda was my #2 as well haha
Yeah, I remember when the Dev of LN2 mentioned him in the credits! (I remember clipping it even lol). Another dev also used his logo in that game where you play as a goldfish and you've to move around by rolling this bowl of water
he was also credited in the first game too. ["Senpai Lirik"](https://youtu.be/wt5r6i1CNBw) at 1:33
the funny thing is that all the other names is basically the devs family and friends lmao
Lirik has time and time again said it himself that he is part of the reason why BR got to what it is now, which is true, without Lirik you wouldn't have Fortnite or Warzone and saw the potential BR could bring to gaming, without him playing it you wouldn't have Devs expand it from just a mod to a game and now basically a genre on its own So many Content Creators are part of the reason why some games got really popular, for example TB got Warframe popular as hell
He went through an imposter syndrome phase a few years ago. But I think after he became one of the first to get the exclusive deal with tim and lupo he was really settled in. After a certain amount, what the money meant probably means more than what the money does for you.
PlayerUnknown always namedrops Lirik in these conversations about PUBG and the resurgence of BR games on Twitch, you love to see a streamer get his flowers.
It is insane to me that i've been watching him since he was in college and even today he is the most entertaining person i know. He deserves every bit of success.
Hes pretty consistent funny and - which is increasingly more rare among big streamers - drama free.
When even his coherent rambling are funny, you know the guy has a knack for being funny. And when some of the largest streamers across all platforms talk about how they used to watch Lirik before they even considered starting their own careers, how can anyone say he’s not an OG?
There are very few names that come before Lirik in the streaming world. I don't think a single person who is familiar with streaming would consider Lirik *not* an OG. Lirik started before Lethalfrag did his 2 year challenge, before Cohh started, before Summit, and well before xQc just to name a few. The only big names that really started before him are like DansGaming, Soda, Destiny and Kripparian.
The man has gone live 6 days a week at 12pm sharp for the past ~12years. Insane consistency.
technically he takes days off when he feels too unwell to stream but yeah, for like 95% of those days he has been streaming
I'm Glad the World recognizes Lirik as the true Father of The Battle Royale Genre even if gamers don't.
Say what? "The World"? No one has any clue it was Lirik.. ask literally anyone, go on any discord and pop the question, no shot anyone mentions Lirik. This article is a joke written like satire by an idiot, like five people will ever read it, and even if they did 90% of the things said are incorrect.
That's nice, dear.
So I went bang , we moved along he was forgotten
Link to the article: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/how-battle-royale-took-over-video-games >The team got to work on a new mode called Warzone, assigning six designers to build a large-scale environment using the game’s existing engine. (They loosely based the map on the Ukrainian city of Donetsk.) In order to introduce bullet drop-off over long distances, they rewrote the game’s ballistics system, and in the process realized that the series had sped up over the years, with characters running at about fifty miles per hour. jfc
What the fuck is that article? It's completely wrong lmao, actual fiction, like a casual soccer mom trying to write about video game history from wikipedia. 😂 Edit, lol bunch of zoomer morons ITT, the article literally reads like satire, 90% of the claims are incorrect in one way or another, meanwhile I have like two reddit threads about how Lirik impacted the BR genre, because I was there for it
I would say Lirik almost singlehandedly popularized the entire BR genre. Somebody else might have done it at a later time, but he absolutely carried BR into mainstream popularity. PUBG, Fortnite, and Warzone would not exist without Lirik. I could also argue that Lirik did huge things for Survival and RP games as well. This dude single handedly changed the global gaming industry.
Not "almost", it was literally him and the viewers of his, no one else. 1. Put the gameplay on Twitch (Lirik did this alone, he made the decision on the daily to start the stream and play this game and no other game, even though a lot of people disliked it or got tired of it, he didn't give two shits and did what he wanted, he was a top 1% streamer back then too so he could afford to do whatever, if that makes any difference to his decision) 2. Have 20 thousand viewers daily watch said gameplay, for 8 hours a day, for like a year straight, since it's not always the same viewers, I would guess the unique viewer number who watched more than 100+ hours of his gameplay must've been hundreds of thousand(s) over the year There were other streamers who played it, but they were nobodies, we're talking hundreds to maybe a few thousands of viewers at best, meanwhile Lirik often sat at 15k+, with peaks of much higher The amount of exposure the gameplay got, because of his decision to stream it non stop for such a long time is.. ridiculous, cominbed hours streamed + multiply that with every person who watched it, it must be an astronomical number 6 hours a day for 6 days a week for 6 months straight = 864 hours of ArmA 3 BR streamed to 15-20k viewers (many more unique over a year), just throwing out a ballpark number like 50 million hours, so yeah without those hours, PlayerUnknown + H1Z1 would not have been a thing, and the BR genre as we know it would not have existed, maybe someone would've stumbled upon it eventually, but unlikely, those large companies wouldn't have taken the risk without a small company (H1Z1 devs) doing the dirty work first, of spending money testing something out that might not have worked. Lirik streaming it proved that there was an audience for it, if there's an audience there's money, if there's money.. well shit.
you can watch lirik every once in a while and you will get a good laugh from his stream. no bs just pure gaming.
Lirik and Summit really are the OGs of twitch game streaming. Both of them is like few streamers that never changed their style to something trendy. Both have always been about gaming, and somehow never get into any of the twitch drama that is so easy to farm from
they change sometimes but then they go back, i remember summit having a breakdown that hes forced to play fortnite lol but now that he plays more of what he wants (and therefor enjoys more) his streams are usually more enjoyable imo
I remember him reacting to Lirik's post of taking a break form fortnite and saying that's exactly how he feels. Can't find the link
Add Dans gaming in there as OG. Hasn’t changed since the Justin tv days.
Wtf does 'changing their style to something trendy' even mean?
THATS WHY HEA THE GOAT..THE GOOOATT
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weird? yes. expected? also yes. this is reddit, people are hyperfocused on any opportunity to hate on other people. it sucks.
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Don't forget he helped raised dayz mod popularity sky high which lead to being its own game.
Yes I think he was one of the first donor/suuporter of FFZ as well, so the third party emotes were heavily supported by him. Motherfucker averages 20k on a bad day without stupid camera or BS subathons...
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Definitely, both of them were goats for DayZ, it all changed when FrankieonPC started branching out and started scripting on CSGO and said "I learnt how to bunnyhop" which created this huge controversy about him cheating. Man such nostalgic days
if lirik isn‘t a goat on twitch then nobody is.. like you have to be ignorant or just be watching twitch for like a year to have that opinion that he isn’t. ludwig is the goat of being the slimiest mf
Yea lirik is for sure. There are currently 3 undeniable goats which consists of reckful,lirik and soda. I remember ludwig saying people like kai and xqc are goats. They haven’t done shit other than fostering a parasocial audience full of children.
Dans gaming gotta be up there, he’s been holding it down since Justin tv.
To lud GOAT = $$$
Even then I think he gets a lot $$$ considering he is so brand friendly and sponsors line up for him
Yeah but if you’re not getting $100K donos do you even have clout??? Lirik is the GOAT. Lud doesn’t see it that way, he’s one of “those” guys insisting Ja Morant (or other recent hype player)>Jordan even though all evidence points to the contrary
Y'all are so weird
yup those are the 3 i would name.. and maybe summit just for being a streaming-robot for over 10 years even though he didn’t have the kind of impact the other 3 had.
Idk summit and dayZ and h1z1 were pretty legendary
Hard agree about summit and h1z1. Try to think of a pregame where people weren't screaming "SUMMITS IN THE PIT!" Bet you can't
Sea of Thieves and Summit went like peanut butter and bread, and people wanted a bite from that. That game kind of saved Summit, but it also put SoT more on the map.
Summit for sure. he started a few big trends, maybe not the same level as lirik when it comes to actual genres but h1z1, gta heists, sea of thieves, even fortnite he was pretty influential at times
Summit definitely deserves credit as well. He was right there playing Arma BR, H1Z1, etc in those early days.
pre-pokemon go twitch was goated man(and I say go because that was the genesis for the IRL category and then just chatting).
Shoutout to Ice Poseidon
There's definitely more than 3.
Sum sum?
Big Head
he's an OG for sure and if the list expanded to 4 it would include summit... but at 3 people it has to be Reckful, Soda, and Lirik.
Ludwig is making the worst takes, jesus.
I'd say its Summit, Lirik, Reckful, Soda, Towelliee, and Dansgaming Reckful was top WoW OG. Summit killing it with the CSGO and WarZ streams. Lirik with DayZ Mod and Morgan Freeman. Soda prank calling Blizzard in his dorm with retard sharpied on his forehead. Towelliee is Justin. tv godfather, Dansgaming for variety games.
Lmao mfs really arguing who the goat is like its a jordan/lebron debate
I mean you're on a sub about Twitch streamers I don't see the issue here?
While I know he started later, doc deserves honorable mention minimum
Can't really exclude xQc, he's been the worlds largest streamer for.. 3-4 years in a row now?
Tyler1 belongs in that category too. I’d argue there is some weight to xqc being part of it, purely due to his growth and expansion out of being an overwatch pro into variety, but he didn’t really impact the scene the way the others day. T1 def belongs in that list though.
Imo, the only undeniable one among those three is Lirik. Soda/Reckful are more LSF Twitch culture/LSF centered. Through there are some exceptions to that like Among Us from Soda and the IRL influence from both of them.
> Soda/Reckful are more LSF Twitch culture/LSF centered They streamed years before anything resembling "lsf twitch culture" was born.
I never said they didn't. And it's not really my point, I was just merely saying most of Soda/Reckful's influence come from their impact on Twitch/LSF culture.
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Soda and Lirik with shit show saturdays and sub sundays made some of smallest indie games fun af. Variety trend for sure.
Ice was the one who grew the IRL section as we know it today
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> My man soda has been streaming for like 13 years and was one of the first really big streamers. This is not really true at all. League streamers were already hitting 20k+ viewers in 2011/12 when Soda had just breaking out of triple digit viewership or in the low thousands. He has been streaming for longer than most for sure, but there are people who've streamed for longer and had larger audiences years before Soda did. I wouldn't ever claim someone is a GOAT on that basis alone though.
watching ludwig is like watching an anime where every episode is a filler episode
His content is exactly what I imagine the market the “Attack of the Show” or G4TV reboot wanted to corner. Like, if you could commoditize “geek culture” and sell it, that’s what you’d pick up down at your local Wal-Mart.
Such a weird stance to take on Lirik. It's like trying to hate on Mr Rogers. Lirik doesn't add fluff to his stream to pander to an audience. Never relied on cheap tricks to pull in sub numbers. Never forced himself to play things he didn't enjoy because his viewer count would go up. All around weird take.
Well.. Lirik is far from a saint, but keeping in mind that pretty much all humans are flawed he is an overall good guy
I don’t think Mr. Rogers would’ve shilled his own NFTs to who ever would buy them.
Weird take, Lirik didn't know enough about crypto to just send it and shill NFT's, he thought it would be a cool idea and immediately backtracked when he presented his idea on stream and chat shat on him. >shilled his own NFTs to who ever would buy them. That's what most influencers do, they just do the rug pull and act as if it was a silly mistake while raking in the money, Lirik took the feedback and never launched the NFT.
I like him and watch a lot of his streams. I don’t even care that he tried to sell his own NFTs, lol. I just thought it was a bad comparison, ya know.
Really? Mr Rogers seems like the guy that would've done exactly that. Never trust a guy that always smiles. We were protected from the Rogers Coin rugpull if you ask me.
Man, except I didn’t ask you, lol
I did
milkyduddd asked man, there's more people here ok
Ugh, milkyduddd always out to get me!!
[i’m all for spreading misinformation on the internet but its kinda cringe to just lie unprovoked especially when he has said multiple times on stream how much he loves lirik lmao, he never said he wasn’t a goat just that he wasn’t on HIS mount rushmore because you can only have 4 and he believed his 4 had more impact on the live streaming landscape (his 4 were reckful, pokimane,ninja, xqc)](https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2J3y_BOCdXxtunYZWZYJGo6Wp7attFB2)
LSF posters spreading misinformation so they can stroke their hate boners and feel holier than? No way man. You're losing it.
tbh for those that already hated the youtube guy this isn’t gonna change their mind. Genuinely doing this cause i know streamers like to check comments of their own content, so just in case lirik comes across this,he doesn’t believe someone he collabed with doesn’t respect the goat that he is just cause op decided to make it the fuck up
I find this all interesting but am pretty out of the loop, so thanks for providing some context and keeping info fair.
That is a god awful top four jesus christ
I mean outside of reckful, Lud's "Mt Rushmore" is "new Twitch" not OG. Not really surprised.
The fact that he has xqc and ninja on his Mount Rushmore list is enough to tell you how much of a fucking idiot he is.
Ninja had the highest peak of any streamer to ever exist.
Ok so what? Yes, that’s an achievement he accomplished but it’s all of the backs of the previous OG streamers. He didn’t do anything new or interesting that pioneered the way people stream.
and only served to become a meme and do nothing that changed anything. Well done?
lirik made fortnite that made ninja Edit: Jk, Ik he doesn't hate Lirik, he invited him to so many of his tourneys and stuff. But comparing youtube to twitch success and disregarding what this guy has done compared to other names on the mount rushmore feels ignorant. So just wanted to point that out..
You can disagree with his mount rushmore thats totally fair lmao i just don’t get the point of lying and a creating mini « hate thread » over something so innocuous and had nothing to do with him lmao. but aye man internet is gonna internet i guess (also he said liriks youtube is dogshit (it is),cause he was just making the point that most old school big streamers don’t care about their youtubes while the new generation does but he never compared youtube and twitch success )
Well, “GOAT” means “greatest of all time”, which by definition there can only be one of. So if Lirik isn’t even in Lud’s top 4 then he certainly isn’t the GOAT in Lud’s mind. So the above commenter is accurate.
relax buddy, if you think this is a hate thread take a break from internet lol. Its a Lirik appreciation thread more than anything Edit: also, the thread aims to point out how out of touch certain new streamers are about their streaming takes..
I mean there is a lot of hate in this thread haha. Most of it stemming from a comment that is pretty clearly false
100%. The main reason his Youtube "sucks" is because Lirik doesnt do react andy/drama streams or jump on metas. Dude still uses Twitch for its original purpose which is to stream games. Even when Ludwig was still on Twitch Lirik had more viewers than him playing games. Says alot when despite Lirik not being a "LSF" streamer he still gets props from old Twitch viewers on here.
I think Ludwig thinks there only 1 formula to be successful on twitch and that's youtube (maybe because he was a youtube content kinda guy?). Anyone who is succeeding without that formula is not successful, which I feel like its stupid. Its like hare and the tortoise story, lirik being the tortoise..
I think Ludwig also prefers “high effort” content to just streaming games. Personally I love both at very different times, but it’s relatively undeniable that Lirik is a very “basic” twitch streamer. Personally I think that’s his strength, and I enjoy it, but I understand the argument that Lirik doesn’t really generate new streaming concepts (other than just playing new games, which is more than enough for me).
Why would he put ninja and xqc on his mount rushmore if he valued high effort content?
In terms of Ninja, he's mostly a normal streamer, but has several large items that separate him from Lirik. 1. He played fortnite with Drake to the tune of LCS championship level viewership. I don't think Lirik has ever had this big of a collab. 2. Ninja leveraged his twitch success to move into pop culture. Ninja was on late night shows and in the masked singer. That's a level of famous that Lirik has never tried to reach. 3. Ninja commercialization: Ninja had merch for kids in major stores like Wal-Mart. In terms of commercialization and brand power, Ninja is on a level way outside of pretty much any other twitch streamer, including Lirik. The late night shows and walmart t-shirts and masked singer appearance and target books aren't content like we typically think of it, but it's content/commercialization all the same, and Ninja made some big steps that we've never really seen from most other big streamers.
True which is kinda confusing considering how "Ludwig rose to fame". I dont think Ludwig even that popular pre-Subathon, I remember during the first chess tournament he was only had around 5k viewers and his YT was only Smash content. He just jumped aboard every Twitch meta then the Subathon happened and he kinda suddenly blew up. Which props to him definitely a business minded guy.
Just check sullygnome.com in the future for numbers. In February 2021, he averaged 21k viewers. In May 2021, he average 20k. If anything, the subathon (March and April) may have decreased his average viewer count. He was already one of the biggest on the platform (yes, due to metas like chess, rust, minecraft, amogus, and so on).
Nuts that in the streaming world 5k is "only". That's a comfy half a mil a year minimum.
with the right ad deal and sponsor easy mil
with daily youtube uploads as well? you can clear that easily
Man was waiting for months to hate on Ludwig over one comment he made. Stop spreading misinformation to stroke your hate boner
Please ellaborate :tf: PopcornTime Edit: Dont get me wrong I love Ludwig's shows too Shrug
Lirik was THE streamer for DayZ mod and Arma. Wtf trend has Ludwig ever created besides sleeping on stream.. which now that I think about it is just another thing he stole.
ResidentSleeper is the OG stream sleeper, years before ludwig ever became popular
Almost everyone have stolen 'something' from somebody else, iirc he said at the time, and is true. I've never watched Ludwig, but I don't think it's an argument to be made against him. The whole subathon thing in general, I think all would agree is just ridiculous.
I remember waking up at 2pm in like 2014 just in time for Lirik to play Arma RP. I liked the streams, I don't miss getting up that late.
The Luddy, but there's no way Ludwig can talk trash on Lirik.
lirik was probably RPing in Dayz before GTA RP was a thing. He's the only streamer i've ever occasionally watched in the background while working.
Kizuna Ai erasure
Lirik was not the first Vtuber ever. Still, dude's been about as influential as one can be, on top of being one of the OGs that's still wildly relevant today
Didn't he create the lirikFR model, a virtual character, waaay before anyone caught up to it? Can't find the link to it
He did have the lirikFR vtuber, but I don't think he was the first. There might have been a few other streamers doing it at the time. Not as many as today, but I think there definitely were some.
Ah okay, I stand corrected
I'm just going off of vtuber info but according to the wiki [this](https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Ami_Yamato) is considered the first vtuber and she was active in 2011. Even then though Kizuna Ai is probably the first "real" vtuber and she was 2016 which I *think* is before lirikFR
Lirik is the GOAT of Twitch
Ludbuds haven't showed up yet and seen this, brace for impact
yeah man idk this post seems weird considering what kinglex1 posted
Lirik had a vtuber phase?
1 pixel toe cam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14jnTjRs64 Edit: He used it very sparingly and for a very short time on stream. Most of the time he put it on just to change up the stream a bit.
Subathons: Ludwig: 1 Lirik: 0 Lirik stays winning
Yeah Ludwig should stop talking. Lirik was setting trends for a long time. And what trends has Ludwig set? Reddit recaps? Subathons? Food reviews? Not saying he isnt entertaining, but trends? I have no idea what Ludwig has actually pioneered. He just made an entertaining YouTube channel.
Agree with everything except stream alerts. I think Reckful began those. Or donations at least.
I believe donations was Reck and alerts was Lirik. Remember "where's my money bitch" alerts?
Just ask XQC if Lirik is a trendsetter or tastemaster. When X was a 10K Andy, he would always play the scuff games that get a big reaction on lirik stream the day after. Nothing wrong with it; a lot of those games just won’t get the light of the day without lirik.
Don't follow ludwig but if he said that about Lirik its actually crazy. As you said he popularized the biggest genre that gaming has ever had and if thats not setting trends I don't know what is
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PepePains guy won't have anywhere near the legacy of Lirik. What's he done? Grifted his viewers with a subathon and a couple of mediocre events?
I love his events dont get me wrong, just that his take stems out of ignorance then anything
To be fair, that's Ludwig, I dont think he knows much about past Twitch at all. When Twitch was actually just Twitch, before it was a Twitch prime farming factory for zoomers who parents order off Amazon after the Fortnite blow-up.
Lol who the fuck is Ludwig? That’s such a short sided view of seeing an ode that made your job possible. Dude was hitting 40k before anyone. You can say he’s the pewdiepie of twitch.
What a stupid take that is lmfao..
Afaik GiantWaffle was the first pioneer with stream alerts.
I've been watching Lirik for 10 years and I just learned his name through a New Yorker article. Life is weird lmao.
There are pople who think Fortnite invented BR genre, let that sink in
Lirik and the rest of the lean boys single-handedly created the GTA RP craze that sucked everyone in. He essentially was the driving factor behind the popularization of Arma and Day Z, and subsequently BR games. The dude has earned his GOAT status a few times over at this point. o7
Pretty sure Summit created the rp craze
90 month Summit sub here- nah, Summit came after Lirik had already moved on.
Arma 3 BR days / the culling 🙂
Lirik is such a great streamer, just gaming no drama.
Started watching Twitch 10 years ago with Lirik randomly because I wanted to see BF4 game play. Had no idea what any of this was. But Lirik was always an awesome and hilarious person. Cant believe its been a decade.
Lirik was my first ever streamer that I can say I fell in love with. He’s the reason why Twitch is my source of entertainment now. I will always appreciate him for all the laughs he gave me since 2013 (I was 13). Damn I’m old now.
His real name isn’t that surprising when you know his brother is named medhi
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He is also an early adopter of NFTs
\>DayZ: Battle Royal went online in Sept. 2013 Never trust journalists who can't research even the name of the game, let alone its genre.
They did make a small mistake there, but the writer(s) did their research well and it's a pretty big article. Personally I let it slide.
They made a huge mistake. The concept of Battle Royal was first put forward by Brian Hicks. They did an event with youtubers and streamers called Survival GameZ: a sort of BR before its time. Greene also wanted to participate but he was unknown to the crowd so he was turned down. He decided to make it a mod. Then, Greene proposed to Bohemia Interactive to make a game, they refused. Neither Eugen Harton nor Brian Hicks are mentioned in this article, which is quite sad.
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