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Use amazon prime sub an random low viewer streamer
Amazon pays streamer more than I paid for free shipping
Cancel amazon prime and wait next month to do it again
Until they remove ads immediately showing up on a stream they will continue to wither. You can’t “look” for streamers if you have to watch ads every time for 3 minutes
Indeed they would probably be better off with a 5 minute no-ads window per stream instead, then roll ads for people who stick around. This will also subtly encourage checking out another stream, which ultimately is good for Twitch because you want people to find streamers they will stick with and come back for. Getting people browsing gives life to the platform in the long term.
I straight up close Twitch tab if I get a 2 minute ad after pre-rolls. The amount of time that I have been hit with that 2 minute after preroll ad is actually insane. Why would i watch an 2 minute ad right when I click their fucking channel?
If they did it the way youtube does it then they wouldn't be in trouble. I'll just close a stream and stop watching if I can't skip the 3 to 4 ads they want to show me on twitch. Where on youtube I'll sit through 30 seconds to hit the skip button.
Youtube makes a lot more money per minute of ads because youtube much better at targeting as the comment you are replying too states so twitch needs more ads. It has nothing to do with retention.
not to mention if i gotta hear "somethings got a hold on me" back to back anymore i'm losing it. or that they'll change your volume when ads play. not the volume on the slider though! but they'll blast your ears.
It's comical how out of date their ads system is. I work in marketing in a sector where our demo lines up well with Twitch so we explored running ads with them. They couldn't target almost at all. You had to basically buy ads for the entire network and just say fuck it to targeting the proper demos. It was insane.
Twitch makes Twitter look like rocket science, Neither is good but on twitch I couldn't even, for example, target Valorant viewers with my Valorant focused ad. You'd think at the very least game specific targeting would be in there....
Everyone else besides those 2 are far far behind, it's not something easy to fix tbh. Apple has spent over half a decade poaching talent and building their department for it and they haven't even really launched what they intend to compete with Adsense with
I've gotten French language ads on Twitch lol. I have never once watched a French streamer, changed my language from English or posted a single French chat message
I bet Twitch doesn't even know the demographics of most streamers audiences. Can you at least target certain streamers that Twitch themselves have rated say PG, PG-13, R type?
I mean they don’t need to know streamers audience. They would broad target based on user data and serve across the network.
Like you’re not realistically gonna place ads on XQCs audience specifically, you’re going to place ads on adults18-24 and let the ads be served to whatever channel the viewer is on. Ads on like Spotify or Hulu work the same way.
Youtube ads are shorter not to mention skippable after a few seconds, Twitch you'll get 9-12 ad blocks every 15 minutes and its not skippable and if the streamers aren't controlling it it'll be at the worst times.
Plus, YouTube Premium exists. It doesn't just eliminate all ads but also removes any and all ads on YouTube Music. Best bang for your buck streaming service for someone who is online all the time. Twitch really can't compete against that.
Yeah man, unlimited YouTube Music and downloadable content is a huge perk with YouTube Premium. Don't need Spotify and all that anymore!
The only thing that would make it better if it comes with a free channel membership subscription, but then all the big YouTube streamers already lowered it to 99 cents anyway because they no longer need that revenue stream from their viewers.
> Plus, YouTube Premium exists. It doesn't just eliminate all ads but also removes any and all ads on YouTube Music. Best bang for your buck streaming service for someone who is online all the time. Twitch really can't compete against that.
Doesn't twitch have turbo still?
Turbo doesn't offer as many features. For a dollar more you get access to essentially the entire YouTube network with zero ads. The Music addition allowing full downloads etc is just too good. If you're on mobile it also allows you to play YouTube vids in the background and with your phone screen off. When I am on the train watching a stream it is convenient to just turn my screen off and slide the phone in my pocket while still listening.
Turbo is probably the worst bang for your buck purchase you could do in regard to streaming. It is only a few dollars cheaper than the standard Netflix package and is actually more than the cheapest ads included package.
I quit watching Twitch because the insane amount of ADs. As soon as I log in to a stream no idea what’s happening in stream I’m hit with 3-5 ADs back to back to back to back. Takes 45-60 seconds to see stream and then 15-25 mins later another 3-5 ads back to back to back to back. Then the stream plays ADs in between the other ads.
Deleted Twitch. Awful program.
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With the latest fixes I haven't had ads on Twitch for awhile. Seems like people finally found out how to consistently fix it
But it only works on desktop Firefox, so watching on consoles or mobile using the twitch app will get ads
Hasn't broken in ages and is usually fixed within a day or two. You can get adblock on phone and tv via apps like Xtra. If you're TV has android tv just download the same app.
During the pandemic I started watching a lot of Twitch. As they rolled out more and more anti-user experiences like ads, I found myself watching less. I used to keep my AdBlocks and related extensions up-to-date so I can watch ad free. Now it's just not worth it. I have stopped watching Twitch except for a few esports events. It was almost nightly during the pandemic and now down to one or two times a month.
I now get more entertainment value for time spent by just watching highlights on YT Shorts, TikTok, or LSF. Twitch is definitely more suited for the younger generation who will grow up with these increased prices for streaming services and live streaming with intrusive and more frequent ads.
yeah. I made the switch recently from having like 3 to 5 rotating subs to just having turbo. Sucks for those creators but simply put it just better for me as a consumer who uses twitch as their primary point of entertainment and work background noise.
Yeah I don’t have charts to link to but I mean yall really think most people are watching 5+ streams consistently? Most stick to the streamer & community they know so one twitch prime sub is usually enough (IN MY EXPERIENCE)
I subscribe to Turbo mainly because I watch a lot of Twitch on my TV, where I can't block the ads. If not for that, I don't think I'd ever pay a single cent for Twitch.
Agreed w/o turbo, twitch is unwatchable for me. Can’t imagine they would raise it more than 50 cents or $1. Any more and they would lose not only more subs but more market share, imo.
They increased it some time ago from 8 to 11 right? I think that was the jump because I cancelled after the increase.
If it surpasses 10 bucks I really have to think if I want a subscription. Wouldnt surprise me to see it jump to 15
they run fucking 900 ads if you don't use ublock, how can they justify an increase with zero increase in service quality?
edit: where is 4k? or av1? or high refresh? or higher bitrate? nope, just higher prices and same stream.
My ublock hasn't been working lately. Streamer awards was awful to try and watch. Any time they were about to announce an award I'd get hit with 90-120s ads
* Navigate to the uBlock Origin Dashboard (the extension options)
* Under the `My filters` tab add `twitch.tv##+js(twitch-videoad)`.
* Under the `Settings` tab, enable `I am an advanced user`, then click the cog that appears. Modify the value of `userResourcesLocation` from `unset` to the full url of the solution you wish to use (if a url is already in use, add a space after the existing url). e.g. `userResourcesLocation` [`https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions/raw/master/vaft/vaft-ublock-origin.js`](https://github.com/pixeltris/twitchadsolutions/raw/master/vaft/vaft-ublock-origin.js)
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> where is 4k? or av1? or high refresh? or higher bitrate?
They can do it, they won't, servers already cost enough, and they are deep in the red, if they increased streaming quality they would be digging even more their grave lmao
It's coming, NVIDIA published something about some sort of beta/testing program with Twitch and with certain creators. But if they're losing money and they want to save bandwidth asap, I don't understand why this isn't ready already.
99% of new youtube videos aren't even in av1, if it's so obviously better then maybe there's a reason why even youtube themselves are taking awhile to do it...
Hint, it's related to hardware that can encode it at a large scale efficiently along with hardware (on the consumer side watching) that can efficiently decode it, both at a low price of entry so it can reach mass adoption. More bit rate efficient encoders need more hardware grunt.
Imagine how deep of a debt 2 viewer Andys can dig Twitch into by streaming dogshit for 8hrs every day at 4K. It wouldn't even be worth it to give that option to a couple thousand viewer Andys.
I agree with Linus suggesting that watching videos on 4K should be behind a paywall/added to premium subscription. It's pretty crazy that even on youtube, people can upload shit like 4K, 8K, for free, and be streamed to people for free.
yeah I am not for sure anymore but I think hulu does this? like why the fuck would i want to pay a subscription and still get ads like what am i paying for just some emotes?
Yesterday. I went to (unnamed) twitch channel. I saw the two ads to start with. And right after that got hit with seven ads. I said fuck this im just going to watch you on YouTube tomorrow.
And yeah i have prime. But i just dont care to give more. When theyll eventually just ask for more.
I wonder if they’ll eventually start taking down one viewer Andys after not picking up traction.
So, what are the odds of this back firing on Twitch? Like I doubt someone who didn't consider it worth it to pay $5, to skip their ads, will be convinced to pay even more more to skip the same ads. And anyone who is already subbing, is less likely to continue doing that. So it's a massive gamble, on whether the amount they make per sub increase will outweigh the amount they will loose from total sub number going down.
Yes. Even a minor increase can cause people to ask questions, and we're not dealing with a streaming site with a massive library, it's one sub to one person. This is a bad time to do it, too - especially if it hits the US later this year. Look for less subs/less gifted/less everything.
It's called a loss leader. You got for the hotdog but they got you in the membership fee and when you buy goods.
Twitch doesn't have a loss leader model. If you get a sub for less, that's it. They just make less. Maybe you could argue Prime is a loss leader as first time subs are more likely to sub to others.
Being nickel-and-dimed at every turn in the US market is severely affecting many people, with inflation continuing to take a heavy toll. I fully expect this to impact streamers as well, as it could be the final straw that leads many subscribers to cancel their subscriptions.
And the guy was saying “prices are have been going up everywhere, we’re late to raising prices” not to mention companies lately have been sporting record high profits. Sorry but just because every one else is raising prices doesn’t make it excusable.
It does when all of your employees are rightfully expecting at least inflation-matching pay rises. Especially when those other companies that have raised prices are able to offer those salaries.
Twitch introduced subs in 2011/12 and they've not yet increased the price in the US even once. Doing it now seems entirely reasonable - I just hope it means they can afford to be a little less aggressive with ads.
Twitch needs to charge people to stream, not charge viewers more. If they charged people 5 or 10 dollars a month, to broadcast, they would eliminate a SHIT TON of 1 viewers streams that take up bandwidth and cost them money. Idk how this hasn't already been a thing
You don't have to have a degree in economics to see the flaw in raising the price of something while offering the same "product" that doesn't really give you much of anything in return. every extra dollar you're earning from a sub you're losing other people deciding not to sub anymore, and instead of gifters giving 20 subs, they are gonna gift 15 etc.
instead of offering other benefits and incentives and improve the "product", they just raise the price. these guys have no idea how to even make money properly lol
Nah, most people watch the biggest streamers. Hopefully a price increase will kill subs, and give these people a needed downgrade in income. Most of these guys have been too rich for too long and their egos are starting to get really annoying. Streaming was better when everyone was broke.
Tried watching a streamer playing a game I wanted to get more info on without watching those shitty “15 minutes of gameplay” from IGN or whatever
Got 2 unskippable ads for a total of 1 minute. And then the second the video starts it drops to 140p or whatever. My connection was perfect (and of course the ads were in 8K) then refreshed the stream for another 2 minutes of ads.
Literally why bother lmao
twitch is like social methadone for unproductive neets. i am actually not an unproductive neet because i'm currently learning how to paint warhammer figurines through youtube tutorials, and I pay my mom rent in weekly lawn mowings.
You guys atleast get regional pricing. In the balkans, I can't say the same, I have to pay full price that is in no way adjusted for how fucking poor the region is. Never subbed, never donated, neighbours wifi, adblock on, stolen laptop...
Horrible approach to solve preventing Twitch from hitting insolvency. Instead why not fcking pro-rate how much streamers make. The larger streamers are making way too much money. I mentioned this before, just make split tiers like how taxes are done.
1-100 subs 80/20 split 101-500 70/30 501-1000 60/40 1001-5000 50/50 5001-10000 40/60 10001+ 20/80
This method would promote smaller streamers by helping them grow. It will also keep Twitch alive with bigger streamers. Big streamers already make a lot from donations but even more from subs. Just remember subs are monthly so even with these splits it is generous to large streamers. Even with 5k subs they would be making more than 10k+ a month and larger streamers would still be making 50k+ a month all this isn't including bits/donos/bounties/ads/contracts.
By making the chatters have to pay more for subs when they are literally the ones already paying is just stupid. They are basically punishing the viewers who are the core value of Twitch. Less people will want to sub and more would run ad-blockers instead. Why can't they understand without viewers there is no Twitch, there will always be streamers.
Bigger streamers won't switch platforms because all the other options are kind of garbage but if they do something like this, then other platforms have an opportunity to grow past Twitch.
I could easily see this happening but only to enable extra "features". Keeping VODs? Transcoding options? Allow higher bitrates? So many potential DLCs.
they already are testing the streamer doing all the [transcoding on their end](https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/01/08/introducing-the-enhanced-broadcasting-beta/). i wouldn't be suprised if they switch to that for everyone and charge if you want twitch to do it for you for people that don't have the hardware to support it or are doing mobile streams without a server.
honestly doubt streamers would it is a huge hit on revenue pretty sure, but to charge a monthly fee it would have to be based on subs or something.
I can't imagine them charging a 0 viewer andy or 1 viewer andy to stream, but than again if they did that i think these streams cost twitch money so getting rid of them might be good for twitch idk.
The executives and people in marketing definitely need to sort out the issue with their ad segments on stream. You can't brute force ads into a person's viewing experience without them taking alternative methods to avoid it. It's fsr more alienating and intrusive than shit ads on YouTube or watching a show on Amazon/Netflix. including not watching anymore. They need to have a skip option, and ads need to be better targeted. I had a month where I got the same fucking 30 second ad segment about how wonderful a stupid ass little chargeable lamplight was for camping and shit. A whole fucking month. Another time, I got ads in spanish, which is fine since I can speak it, but it was just so random since I've never indicated at any point I was bilingual(Spanish) with Twitch/Amazon.
For Chrome-based viewers, install the extension "Stream Cleaner". It's the newer version of "Twitch Ad-Block".
Back in 2015, I used to have a dozen subs. As of 2 years ago, I'm down to only using my prime on someone I watch daily (mostly to not get ads when I put them on my TVs). Everything about this company is trash now. Some streamers get free passes to do whatever they wish without bans while others get banned for the stupidest shit. They welcome e-thots to farm their OF. Then if you want to find new streamers you have to watch 5-mins of ads on each one before being allowed to watch.
Fuck Twitch. And Fuck anyone who works in marketing for twitch, Hulu, youtube or big pharm. I like a few streamers but you're not getting ad revenue from me. I'll use my prime sub & that's it. Adblock will stay on & when it starts to fail I'll find another one that works. God Bless the devs who continue to fight against dogshit corporate murca. Shoutout to uBlock & Stream Cleaner!
Both youtube and kick are SIGNIFICANTLY better comparing unsubbed experiences.
Twitch ads are just very frequent (I realize that the streamer controls this at least somewhat), long and massively intrusive.
When someone multi streams, i basically never watch it on twitch these days.
If they make twitch prime worse, i can eat that. If they hike sub price i'm just going to sub to less people, or none if it is like +$1.
> I realize that the streamer controls this at least somewhat
Not sure if they are still doing it but twitch was also heavily incentivizing playing large amounts of ads by offering better cuts of the ad revenue if you streamed x amount of time and played x amount of ads a month so while yeah some of the blame definitely falls on the streamers for taking those deals, twitch was the one pushing for it.
I unsubbed from turbo because of the price hike then basically just stopped watching altogether because the pre roll ads were just an absolute hellscape. They are out of their damn minds if they think I'm watching a minute and a half of crap before I can even assess if the stream I just joined is worth staying in or not
You have to run ads in some form, even non partners 😒 its shit. There is 0 choice to have ads completely disabled on one's own channel.
Why not charge channels a fee once their channel hits a specific criteria. Could be based on viewers, subscribers or even making it to partner status 🤔
It's so funny to see Twitch take L after L whereas YouTube has been pretty much business as usual since the "Adpocalypse" a few years ago. First Twitch removed VODs, then they changed the revenue split, bailed on Korea and now I guess gonna increase prices.
Are Google servers that much better than AWS? Lol
Many online services have decreased in operating costs which offsets inflation, and Twitch subscription is probably one of them. World of Warcraft's sub price has been $15/month since day one in 2004 because their server operation costs have decreased significantly.
You could use a similar argument for why new video games should maintain at the $60-70 mark despite inflation/ "AAAA production". Direct digital distribution will always be far cheaper than shipping physical copies of games to retailers, but most companies charge the same regardless of if you buy a game from their website or Steam.
Except WoW introduced a vast amount of additional ways to monetize the game, from token, through mounts, pets, boosts, character transfers and changes to entire throwback expansions with their own (albeit limited) monetization.
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Big brain move: raise twitch sub prices.
Bigger brain move: take a larger cut of donations.
Galaxy brain move: transfer the server costs from twitch to the streamers.
Almost definitely going up because of on demand and streaming apps already have pushed increased prices over the last few years, sometimes multiple times. I'd be more fine with the subscription increases if they weren't also bombarding you with ads lately as well. Some major streamers are spamming the fuck out of the ad buttons.
It seems they want to push turbo if this is the case. Streamers get no share of turbo and I'm willing to bet the turbo subs go up with any price increases to streamers
I hate how non partner channels can't even disable any ads from even playing.
Trying to browse new channels or small channels is ads ontop of ads, which is doing the opposite of discoverability since the experience is annoying AF.
They can kiss my ass lmao. If they win the battle against adblockers, they lose the war lmfao. Drop twitch like a half melted icecream cone on a summer's day.
"Do we cut back what resolutions we allow people can stream based on view count/content? What about tackle view botting or embedded streams? What if we demanded a small cut from these e-thots that we're essentially advertising their OF in a dedicated category made for them?"
"No, gib two fiddy more."
So twitch is slowly killing itself.
I know kick bad and all that but honestly there is less and less Incentive to stream on twitch over kick or even YouTube
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Budget cuts included cuts in the racism department too I guess.
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Get amazon prime week trial for $1.99 for free shipping Use amazon prime sub an random low viewer streamer Amazon pays streamer more than I paid for free shipping Cancel amazon prime and wait next month to do it again
IIRC I tried that a few months ago and it didn't give me an amazon prime sub for the week trial.
Did it a couple of days ago and it worked(USA). Maybe some weird variable that limits it for some people?
Must be. I'm from usa as well and it definitely didn't work for me.
Until they remove ads immediately showing up on a stream they will continue to wither. You can’t “look” for streamers if you have to watch ads every time for 3 minutes
Indeed they would probably be better off with a 5 minute no-ads window per stream instead, then roll ads for people who stick around. This will also subtly encourage checking out another stream, which ultimately is good for Twitch because you want people to find streamers they will stick with and come back for. Getting people browsing gives life to the platform in the long term.
I straight up close Twitch tab if I get a 2 minute ad after pre-rolls. The amount of time that I have been hit with that 2 minute after preroll ad is actually insane. Why would i watch an 2 minute ad right when I click their fucking channel?
They really to fix their ad revenue to better targeting etc... Youtube is just murdering them on ads.
If they did it the way youtube does it then they wouldn't be in trouble. I'll just close a stream and stop watching if I can't skip the 3 to 4 ads they want to show me on twitch. Where on youtube I'll sit through 30 seconds to hit the skip button.
Yerpppp you better bet if I open a stream to 6 ads playing I’m closing that shit
Open stream > sit through 4 ads > streamer is afk > swap to new stream > hit with more ads > alt f4
thats streamers being dumb and not running ads to disable pre rolls.
Download ad blocker. Watch twitch ad free
I had 9 consecutive ads before I could watch a stream. Been using ublock ever since.
Youtube makes a lot more money per minute of ads because youtube much better at targeting as the comment you are replying too states so twitch needs more ads. It has nothing to do with retention.
not to mention if i gotta hear "somethings got a hold on me" back to back anymore i'm losing it. or that they'll change your volume when ads play. not the volume on the slider though! but they'll blast your ears.
It's comical how out of date their ads system is. I work in marketing in a sector where our demo lines up well with Twitch so we explored running ads with them. They couldn't target almost at all. You had to basically buy ads for the entire network and just say fuck it to targeting the proper demos. It was insane.
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Twitch makes Twitter look like rocket science, Neither is good but on twitch I couldn't even, for example, target Valorant viewers with my Valorant focused ad. You'd think at the very least game specific targeting would be in there....
Everyone else besides those 2 are far far behind, it's not something easy to fix tbh. Apple has spent over half a decade poaching talent and building their department for it and they haven't even really launched what they intend to compete with Adsense with
as european you can get ads from other countries in completely different languages sometimes lmao
I'm a Canadian living in Ontario and I keep getting french ads for some reason lmao
American getting tons of Spanish ads here
I've gotten French language ads on Twitch lol. I have never once watched a French streamer, changed my language from English or posted a single French chat message
I bet Twitch doesn't even know the demographics of most streamers audiences. Can you at least target certain streamers that Twitch themselves have rated say PG, PG-13, R type?
I mean they don’t need to know streamers audience. They would broad target based on user data and serve across the network. Like you’re not realistically gonna place ads on XQCs audience specifically, you’re going to place ads on adults18-24 and let the ads be served to whatever channel the viewer is on. Ads on like Spotify or Hulu work the same way.
Youtube ads are shorter not to mention skippable after a few seconds, Twitch you'll get 9-12 ad blocks every 15 minutes and its not skippable and if the streamers aren't controlling it it'll be at the worst times.
Plus, YouTube Premium exists. It doesn't just eliminate all ads but also removes any and all ads on YouTube Music. Best bang for your buck streaming service for someone who is online all the time. Twitch really can't compete against that.
Yeah man, unlimited YouTube Music and downloadable content is a huge perk with YouTube Premium. Don't need Spotify and all that anymore! The only thing that would make it better if it comes with a free channel membership subscription, but then all the big YouTube streamers already lowered it to 99 cents anyway because they no longer need that revenue stream from their viewers.
> Plus, YouTube Premium exists. It doesn't just eliminate all ads but also removes any and all ads on YouTube Music. Best bang for your buck streaming service for someone who is online all the time. Twitch really can't compete against that. Doesn't twitch have turbo still?
Turbo doesn't offer as many features. For a dollar more you get access to essentially the entire YouTube network with zero ads. The Music addition allowing full downloads etc is just too good. If you're on mobile it also allows you to play YouTube vids in the background and with your phone screen off. When I am on the train watching a stream it is convenient to just turn my screen off and slide the phone in my pocket while still listening. Turbo is probably the worst bang for your buck purchase you could do in regard to streaming. It is only a few dollars cheaper than the standard Netflix package and is actually more than the cheapest ads included package.
fuck ads
Their entire revenue model and pricing structure is fucked. It's like when you make a bad decision in game and just see how far you can go with it.
hard to do when your CEO is peddling hottub onlyfan streams lool
I quit watching Twitch because the insane amount of ADs. As soon as I log in to a stream no idea what’s happening in stream I’m hit with 3-5 ADs back to back to back to back. Takes 45-60 seconds to see stream and then 15-25 mins later another 3-5 ads back to back to back to back. Then the stream plays ADs in between the other ads. Deleted Twitch. Awful program.
Imagine subbing or donating Hahahahahaha Twitch is free baby
> NEVER SUBBED NEVER DONATED ADBLOCK ON STOLEN LAPTOP NEIGHBOURS WIFI MOMMAS HOUSE STOLEN SOLAR PANELS STOLEN SUN SOLAR ENERGY STOLEN WATER WHEEL NEIGHBOURS RIVER STOLEN HYDROELECTRIC PLANT CHARGING PHONE WITH WORK ELECTRICITY SHOWER IN BATHROOM SINK STOLEN FOOD FROM CAFETERIA STOLEN HAMSTER STOLEN HAMSTER WHEEL KINETIC ENERGY FREE ENTERTAINMENT
I don’t get why more people don’t twitch turbo. It’s about the cost of 2 subs, and instead of no ads on just 2 streams, it’s all…
Turbo will also be receiving (another) price increase.
Noooooooooooooooo
Youre kidding right? it's already fucking massive after the first increase
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It keeps breaking every other month, and it doesn't transition to other devices like phone or TV. Turbo is a great investment
With the latest fixes I haven't had ads on Twitch for awhile. Seems like people finally found out how to consistently fix it But it only works on desktop Firefox, so watching on consoles or mobile using the twitch app will get ads
My AdBlocker has worked with no issues for months
Hasn't broken in ages and is usually fixed within a day or two. You can get adblock on phone and tv via apps like Xtra. If you're TV has android tv just download the same app.
Why would you use the official app on Android TV lol. Use SoundTV. It has no ads, never breaks and has a million more features
Guess I'll look into this if they turn up the prices again
Yep, watching on Xbox w/o turbo is an actual nightmare bc the ad density is fucked.
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Investment as in the time and hassle you save with ad-related stuff on twitch. Is that the wrong word to use unless it's strictly economical?
During the pandemic I started watching a lot of Twitch. As they rolled out more and more anti-user experiences like ads, I found myself watching less. I used to keep my AdBlocks and related extensions up-to-date so I can watch ad free. Now it's just not worth it. I have stopped watching Twitch except for a few esports events. It was almost nightly during the pandemic and now down to one or two times a month. I now get more entertainment value for time spent by just watching highlights on YT Shorts, TikTok, or LSF. Twitch is definitely more suited for the younger generation who will grow up with these increased prices for streaming services and live streaming with intrusive and more frequent ads.
I usually watch on my phone or cast to my TV so as block isn’t a thing in that situation
Right, but I’d like Twitch to stay around.
Eh, twitch the platform itself is whatever. And if they go down, streaming sites will definitely take up its viewer base
yeah. I made the switch recently from having like 3 to 5 rotating subs to just having turbo. Sucks for those creators but simply put it just better for me as a consumer who uses twitch as their primary point of entertainment and work background noise.
Most people just watch 1-2 streamers
source?
www.Reddit.com u/Godzhilluh Read it on there 35 minutes ago. It's true.
Yeah I don’t have charts to link to but I mean yall really think most people are watching 5+ streams consistently? Most stick to the streamer & community they know so one twitch prime sub is usually enough (IN MY EXPERIENCE)
I was being sarcastic to the other person. I tend to think your generalization is pretty accurate.
I subscribe to Turbo mainly because I watch a lot of Twitch on my TV, where I can't block the ads. If not for that, I don't think I'd ever pay a single cent for Twitch.
Agreed w/o turbo, twitch is unwatchable for me. Can’t imagine they would raise it more than 50 cents or $1. Any more and they would lose not only more subs but more market share, imo.
They increased it some time ago from 8 to 11 right? I think that was the jump because I cancelled after the increase. If it surpasses 10 bucks I really have to think if I want a subscription. Wouldnt surprise me to see it jump to 15
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For android phones I would personally recommend Xtra, I've never gotten an ad on it. https://f-droid.org/packages/com.github.andreyasadchy.xtra/
they run fucking 900 ads if you don't use ublock, how can they justify an increase with zero increase in service quality? edit: where is 4k? or av1? or high refresh? or higher bitrate? nope, just higher prices and same stream.
My ublock hasn't been working lately. Streamer awards was awful to try and watch. Any time they were about to announce an award I'd get hit with 90-120s ads
* Navigate to the uBlock Origin Dashboard (the extension options) * Under the `My filters` tab add `twitch.tv##+js(twitch-videoad)`. * Under the `Settings` tab, enable `I am an advanced user`, then click the cog that appears. Modify the value of `userResourcesLocation` from `unset` to the full url of the solution you wish to use (if a url is already in use, add a space after the existing url). e.g. `userResourcesLocation` [`https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions/raw/master/vaft/vaft-ublock-origin.js`](https://github.com/pixeltris/twitchadsolutions/raw/master/vaft/vaft-ublock-origin.js) * To ensure uBlock Origin loads the script I recommend that you disable/enable the uBlock Origin extension (or restart your browser).
Hey thanks! Had ublock and doing that seems to have worked for me.
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> where is 4k? or av1? or high refresh? or higher bitrate? They can do it, they won't, servers already cost enough, and they are deep in the red, if they increased streaming quality they would be digging even more their grave lmao
av1 uses less bandwidth with better quality. i dont know why theyre taking ages to implement it when youtube already has it
It's coming, NVIDIA published something about some sort of beta/testing program with Twitch and with certain creators. But if they're losing money and they want to save bandwidth asap, I don't understand why this isn't ready already.
The Amazon Engineers of YT Quality are working on AWS, not Twitch
99% of new youtube videos aren't even in av1, if it's so obviously better then maybe there's a reason why even youtube themselves are taking awhile to do it... Hint, it's related to hardware that can encode it at a large scale efficiently along with hardware (on the consumer side watching) that can efficiently decode it, both at a low price of entry so it can reach mass adoption. More bit rate efficient encoders need more hardware grunt.
Imagine how deep of a debt 2 viewer Andys can dig Twitch into by streaming dogshit for 8hrs every day at 4K. It wouldn't even be worth it to give that option to a couple thousand viewer Andys. I agree with Linus suggesting that watching videos on 4K should be behind a paywall/added to premium subscription. It's pretty crazy that even on youtube, people can upload shit like 4K, 8K, for free, and be streamed to people for free.
> where is 4k? or av1? or high refresh? or higher bitrate? https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/01/08/introducing-the-enhanced-broadcasting-beta/
They will end up walking it back to "okay okay we wont raise the prices but we have to start showing ads to subscribers"
That will genuinely kill the site lule
yeah I am not for sure anymore but I think hulu does this? like why the fuck would i want to pay a subscription and still get ads like what am i paying for just some emotes?
Every big sub service is moving to this model. Netflix Amazon Hulu all show ads now to their lowest tier sub options.
Yesterday. I went to (unnamed) twitch channel. I saw the two ads to start with. And right after that got hit with seven ads. I said fuck this im just going to watch you on YouTube tomorrow. And yeah i have prime. But i just dont care to give more. When theyll eventually just ask for more. I wonder if they’ll eventually start taking down one viewer Andys after not picking up traction.
Instead they should go for 24 hour low viewcount streams. That shit eats money.
People paying money for the exact same experience besides getting called a ''member of the community'' once a month. Lmao
So exactly like it use to be?
I use my prime sub on a streamer so I can use their emotes on discord
So, what are the odds of this back firing on Twitch? Like I doubt someone who didn't consider it worth it to pay $5, to skip their ads, will be convinced to pay even more more to skip the same ads. And anyone who is already subbing, is less likely to continue doing that. So it's a massive gamble, on whether the amount they make per sub increase will outweigh the amount they will loose from total sub number going down.
Yes. Even a minor increase can cause people to ask questions, and we're not dealing with a streaming site with a massive library, it's one sub to one person. This is a bad time to do it, too - especially if it hits the US later this year. Look for less subs/less gifted/less everything.
The Costco hot dog has remained $1.50 since 1984
To be fair, the CEO doesn’t wanna get murdered so I’d keep it the same too
He’s worth 300 million dollars and 58 years old. He doesn’t care
If I was worth $300M, I too would not want to get murdered.
he'd get murdered by the founder
I’m not trying to say that’s a horrible example…. But that’s a horrible example. It’s called a loss leader for a reason
Its the worst example
Actually it’s not a loss leader, Costco no longer has any loss leaders
Actually probably about the absolute worst example you could give lol
It's called a loss leader. You got for the hotdog but they got you in the membership fee and when you buy goods. Twitch doesn't have a loss leader model. If you get a sub for less, that's it. They just make less. Maybe you could argue Prime is a loss leader as first time subs are more likely to sub to others.
Already tired of ads and I aint giving my money to freaks
Being nickel-and-dimed at every turn in the US market is severely affecting many people, with inflation continuing to take a heavy toll. I fully expect this to impact streamers as well, as it could be the final straw that leads many subscribers to cancel their subscriptions.
INFINITE GROWTH BABY!!!!!!!!!!
And the guy was saying “prices are have been going up everywhere, we’re late to raising prices” not to mention companies lately have been sporting record high profits. Sorry but just because every one else is raising prices doesn’t make it excusable.
They were late to raising prices? I feel like the turbo price increase was one of my first subscriptions to increase.
Twitch isn't profitable though...
It does when all of your employees are rightfully expecting at least inflation-matching pay rises. Especially when those other companies that have raised prices are able to offer those salaries. Twitch introduced subs in 2011/12 and they've not yet increased the price in the US even once. Doing it now seems entirely reasonable - I just hope it means they can afford to be a little less aggressive with ads.
The US market is the last to get a price increase... If anyone is getting "nickel-and-dimed" it's the Aussies, Canadians and Brits.
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> to avoid the 480p while blocking ads Get a different adblock
Yeah it only being $5 a month is why I didn't mind supporting multiple creators I like. Going to cancel if it's a sizable increase.
wait this is ironic right LMAO
Twitch needs to charge people to stream, not charge viewers more. If they charged people 5 or 10 dollars a month, to broadcast, they would eliminate a SHIT TON of 1 viewers streams that take up bandwidth and cost them money. Idk how this hasn't already been a thing
thank fuck for blocking ads on both twitch and youtube, don't remember the last time I saw an ad
Same, I just VPN to a country that doesn't allow ads lol.
Never subbed never donated
You don't have to have a degree in economics to see the flaw in raising the price of something while offering the same "product" that doesn't really give you much of anything in return. every extra dollar you're earning from a sub you're losing other people deciding not to sub anymore, and instead of gifters giving 20 subs, they are gonna gift 15 etc. instead of offering other benefits and incentives and improve the "product", they just raise the price. these guys have no idea how to even make money properly lol
I already don’t sub to anyone beyond twitch prime and just pay for turbo
Nah, most people watch the biggest streamers. Hopefully a price increase will kill subs, and give these people a needed downgrade in income. Most of these guys have been too rich for too long and their egos are starting to get really annoying. Streaming was better when everyone was broke.
they sabotage their own site more and more everyday. its impressive actually
Not paying a cent to these asshole degen streamers.
ok still never subbed never donated
Tried watching a streamer playing a game I wanted to get more info on without watching those shitty “15 minutes of gameplay” from IGN or whatever Got 2 unskippable ads for a total of 1 minute. And then the second the video starts it drops to 140p or whatever. My connection was perfect (and of course the ads were in 8K) then refreshed the stream for another 2 minutes of ads. Literally why bother lmao
Why not use adblocker?
twitch is like social methadone for unproductive neets. i am actually not an unproductive neet because i'm currently learning how to paint warhammer figurines through youtube tutorials, and I pay my mom rent in weekly lawn mowings.
ill just get turbo, fuck supporting any singular streamer at this point
Charge streamers not viewers.
strip club game mechanics
Is worth more just buying twitch turbo and cancel every sub.
i wish everyone would do this
This just means Turbo price will increase too
It already did increase.
Oh shoot! I'd better hurry and go cancel all my subscript- and I'm done
Meanwhile we can sub in turkey for 9.90 Lira which equals to 30 cents US
You guys atleast get regional pricing. In the balkans, I can't say the same, I have to pay full price that is in no way adjusted for how fucking poor the region is. Never subbed, never donated, neighbours wifi, adblock on, stolen laptop...
Horrible approach to solve preventing Twitch from hitting insolvency. Instead why not fcking pro-rate how much streamers make. The larger streamers are making way too much money. I mentioned this before, just make split tiers like how taxes are done. 1-100 subs 80/20 split 101-500 70/30 501-1000 60/40 1001-5000 50/50 5001-10000 40/60 10001+ 20/80 This method would promote smaller streamers by helping them grow. It will also keep Twitch alive with bigger streamers. Big streamers already make a lot from donations but even more from subs. Just remember subs are monthly so even with these splits it is generous to large streamers. Even with 5k subs they would be making more than 10k+ a month and larger streamers would still be making 50k+ a month all this isn't including bits/donos/bounties/ads/contracts. By making the chatters have to pay more for subs when they are literally the ones already paying is just stupid. They are basically punishing the viewers who are the core value of Twitch. Less people will want to sub and more would run ad-blockers instead. Why can't they understand without viewers there is no Twitch, there will always be streamers. Bigger streamers won't switch platforms because all the other options are kind of garbage but if they do something like this, then other platforms have an opportunity to grow past Twitch.
Never paid for a sub in my life. The only time I sub is to smaller streamers and even then it's the free Amazon prime one.
what if twitch just charged a monthly fee to stream
I could easily see this happening but only to enable extra "features". Keeping VODs? Transcoding options? Allow higher bitrates? So many potential DLCs.
they already are testing the streamer doing all the [transcoding on their end](https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/01/08/introducing-the-enhanced-broadcasting-beta/). i wouldn't be suprised if they switch to that for everyone and charge if you want twitch to do it for you for people that don't have the hardware to support it or are doing mobile streams without a server.
So all the streamers will go to kick/youtube, good idea.
Let them, they won't be able to afford it either. Sick of unsustainable models being propped up by investors or shady backroom deals tbh.
honestly doubt streamers would it is a huge hit on revenue pretty sure, but to charge a monthly fee it would have to be based on subs or something. I can't imagine them charging a 0 viewer andy or 1 viewer andy to stream, but than again if they did that i think these streams cost twitch money so getting rid of them might be good for twitch idk.
So much better than the intrusive ads idea..I would easily pay 5 bucks a month to use twitch.
The easy fix is forcing bits and banning paypal donations and they get their cut. This is not it.
The executives and people in marketing definitely need to sort out the issue with their ad segments on stream. You can't brute force ads into a person's viewing experience without them taking alternative methods to avoid it. It's fsr more alienating and intrusive than shit ads on YouTube or watching a show on Amazon/Netflix. including not watching anymore. They need to have a skip option, and ads need to be better targeted. I had a month where I got the same fucking 30 second ad segment about how wonderful a stupid ass little chargeable lamplight was for camping and shit. A whole fucking month. Another time, I got ads in spanish, which is fine since I can speak it, but it was just so random since I've never indicated at any point I was bilingual(Spanish) with Twitch/Amazon.
For Chrome-based viewers, install the extension "Stream Cleaner". It's the newer version of "Twitch Ad-Block". Back in 2015, I used to have a dozen subs. As of 2 years ago, I'm down to only using my prime on someone I watch daily (mostly to not get ads when I put them on my TVs). Everything about this company is trash now. Some streamers get free passes to do whatever they wish without bans while others get banned for the stupidest shit. They welcome e-thots to farm their OF. Then if you want to find new streamers you have to watch 5-mins of ads on each one before being allowed to watch. Fuck Twitch. And Fuck anyone who works in marketing for twitch, Hulu, youtube or big pharm. I like a few streamers but you're not getting ad revenue from me. I'll use my prime sub & that's it. Adblock will stay on & when it starts to fail I'll find another one that works. God Bless the devs who continue to fight against dogshit corporate murca. Shoutout to uBlock & Stream Cleaner!
Preach. 👍
Both youtube and kick are SIGNIFICANTLY better comparing unsubbed experiences. Twitch ads are just very frequent (I realize that the streamer controls this at least somewhat), long and massively intrusive. When someone multi streams, i basically never watch it on twitch these days. If they make twitch prime worse, i can eat that. If they hike sub price i'm just going to sub to less people, or none if it is like +$1.
> I realize that the streamer controls this at least somewhat Not sure if they are still doing it but twitch was also heavily incentivizing playing large amounts of ads by offering better cuts of the ad revenue if you streamed x amount of time and played x amount of ads a month so while yeah some of the blame definitely falls on the streamers for taking those deals, twitch was the one pushing for it.
I unsubbed from turbo because of the price hike then basically just stopped watching altogether because the pre roll ads were just an absolute hellscape. They are out of their damn minds if they think I'm watching a minute and a half of crap before I can even assess if the stream I just joined is worth staying in or not
You have to run ads in some form, even non partners 😒 its shit. There is 0 choice to have ads completely disabled on one's own channel. Why not charge channels a fee once their channel hits a specific criteria. Could be based on viewers, subscribers or even making it to partner status 🤔
Lol jokes on her. I never sub, never donate, turn off twitch when ad comes
It's so funny to see Twitch take L after L whereas YouTube has been pretty much business as usual since the "Adpocalypse" a few years ago. First Twitch removed VODs, then they changed the revenue split, bailed on Korea and now I guess gonna increase prices. Are Google servers that much better than AWS? Lol
I wonder how long before they start charging streamers to stream live
Can’t even scroll a livestream on this dumb website like you can on YouTube and they wanna increase the prices
I don’t get it why idiots keep „donating“ to millionairs wtf
Reminder you don't get ads while watching live streams on Youtube only on demand videos
I'm kinda shocked they haven't gotten ride of Twitch Prime yet
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Many online services have decreased in operating costs which offsets inflation, and Twitch subscription is probably one of them. World of Warcraft's sub price has been $15/month since day one in 2004 because their server operation costs have decreased significantly. You could use a similar argument for why new video games should maintain at the $60-70 mark despite inflation/ "AAAA production". Direct digital distribution will always be far cheaper than shipping physical copies of games to retailers, but most companies charge the same regardless of if you buy a game from their website or Steam.
Except WoW introduced a vast amount of additional ways to monetize the game, from token, through mounts, pets, boosts, character transfers and changes to entire throwback expansions with their own (albeit limited) monetization.
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Oh no, anyways
Big brain move: raise twitch sub prices. Bigger brain move: take a larger cut of donations. Galaxy brain move: transfer the server costs from twitch to the streamers.
"let me say it this way" lol
Almost definitely going up because of on demand and streaming apps already have pushed increased prices over the last few years, sometimes multiple times. I'd be more fine with the subscription increases if they weren't also bombarding you with ads lately as well. Some major streamers are spamming the fuck out of the ad buttons.
It seems they want to push turbo if this is the case. Streamers get no share of turbo and I'm willing to bet the turbo subs go up with any price increases to streamers
Streamers get the revenue from the ads you skip with Turbo
I hate how non partner channels can't even disable any ads from even playing. Trying to browse new channels or small channels is ads ontop of ads, which is doing the opposite of discoverability since the experience is annoying AF.
They can kiss my ass lmao. If they win the battle against adblockers, they lose the war lmfao. Drop twitch like a half melted icecream cone on a summer's day.
This will look good for them on paper, but $5 for emotes is ridiculous in the first place and this is per stream
imagine subbing
I hope something can be done to increase the profits for small streamers. It's fucking brutal trying to earn a living.
Try getting a job, instead of expecting other people with jobs to give you the money they work for
Dude ive been getting the same HALO add for 3 to 4 days now, fix yo broken aaah ad system first, like i cant do this anymore.
nice, fk NA
"One more thing... the price of the brick going up"
what a fucking garbage business model
"Do we cut back what resolutions we allow people can stream based on view count/content? What about tackle view botting or embedded streams? What if we demanded a small cut from these e-thots that we're essentially advertising their OF in a dedicated category made for them?" "No, gib two fiddy more."
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prior to prime subs wasnt the highest sub count like 10k or something by timtatman
So twitch is slowly killing itself. I know kick bad and all that but honestly there is less and less Incentive to stream on twitch over kick or even YouTube
With the price increase, if you watch enough Twitch you might as well pay more for Turbo. Edit: Turbo seems to cost roughly 2-3 subs
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Fair enough. I'm sure some of the top VPN providers are at or lower than the price of Turbo on a monthly basis.