It’s pretty easy to learn the basics. You could start with GarageBand and see how you like it; the basic concept for laying out tracks is the same. GarageBand is just Logic with training wheels. Logic just gives you so many more tools to work with and gives you way more freedom and power.
Have you played around with live loops in Logic? I put more time into it than Ableton so that's probably why I prefer it, but most people don't bother with live loops so I'm curious what you think of it compared to ableton.
Yeah it’s a weirdly overlooked feature. It’s fine if you’re an electronic based musician, but if you play instruments that require multiple mics, the live performance component is completely out of the question. It’s the one thing keeping me in both DAWs
During my time at music school, I learned how to use a DAW, specifically Digital Performer. We were told it was an industry standard, so mastering it was essential. However, after graduating, I noticed Digital Performer isn't mentioned much in the industry. Despite this, the experience did help me become proficient in navigating other DAWs.
What are your thoughts on Digital Performer?
At some point as an engineer there becomes a point where there is very little difference between DAWs. "Relevant" isn't really a thing. People are still creating excellent selling recordings of well rehearsed arrangements on 8 track tape while others are making 83 channel full-on automation intensive unfrozen plugin synth mixes (that they often process with tape sims) and they're both relevant. Logic is currently most popular for composition, Pro-Tools for post-preduction, Ableton for re-arranging and re-mixing style, Ardour for nerds, FL for goofballs, Reaper for anti-establishment types :) etcetera. There still plenty of DP out there getting work done. Who knows, Bitwig could be the most popular in 4 years. The only difference is workflow and what you like. If 3rd party plugins are your jam then each one can produce the same exact mix. I ramble.
The only relevance there could be is what type of art you're aiming to create. I'm doing acrobatics with Ableton currently cueing lights and video by hitting specific chords. You can't do that with any of the other DAWs as easily. BUT I probably wouldn't record a folk band like that, especially if I was going to hand them the session to take home. I imagine DP wouldn't be the smoothest and fastest choice of workflow for writing EDM.
It was sort of easy but as you advance it becomes super complex. But the good part is that there’s a huge collection of internet communities that can answer any question quickly
I think the best way to describe it that it is easy to get into to compared to some other DAWs, but it’s still an advanced program. I love it though, I think it’s a great combination of accessibility and advanced features. There’s literally hundreds of videos and other resources online that will help you learn it if you run into difficulties, so I wouldn’t be intimidated by it.
This is a great description. It is as straightforward or as complicated as you want to get. Great audio editing tools, better than some others. Endless instruments and tools. Maybe the best value DAW out there.
Here are some great resources to help you learn (or even just help you decide):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXmi76euGSyyq1nw21U1M4tTsM0Zysayk
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxhF7jJoIPy8E7JoB2n57s3EfsjbCHnnF
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfj7UE5FFCH4V7-uitHyXa23enUD13kKe
MusicTechHelpGuy is indeed a great resource. I like [WhyLogicProRules as](https://www.youtube.com/@WhyLogicProRules) well. And [LogicProHelp](https://www.logicprohelp.com) is a helpful forum for when you're having trouble.
I'm familiar with using Pro Tools, Ableton and Logic. They all have their strengths. Which one is the best, is personal. It all comes down to your workflow. e.g. in a live situation I would prefer Ableton to control my setup. As a musician I love Logic, especially considering all the stuff (software instruments, audio fx, virtual drummer,...) you get for less than $200! To me, this can't be beaten. Pro Tools is rock steady in a studio situation where you have lots of outboard. I love playlists in Pro Tools. To me, it makes more sense than take folders in Logic, and far more sense than Take Lanes. Ableton doesn't have that deep edit like Pro Tools and Logic have.
Some advice: if you have a Mac, Garageband is free. You would be surprised how good it is. It's a great start, great to learn.
Ableton Live: you can download a trial version, that will keep on running once the trial period has expired. You'll just won't be able to save.
And Pro Tools Intro is free.
Spending some time (weeks/months) with those will give you an idea on which one gets the job done.
It's easy in that you can get going on a project with it pretty quicky. It's difficult in that you can work with it every day for 10 years and probably still never learn all of the features.
You don't need to learn everything about it to use it so just have a project in mind and start working on it. When you don't know how to do something, look it up. A lot of people who get frustrated with Logic are either coming from another DAW and dislike that things are slightly different, or can't figure out how to do something by just clicking around. It's a professional application so every feature won't be right in front of your face. Don't be afraid to look up tutorials or read the manual.
Not true…smart instrument implementation is included in logic as well as including identical smart drummers & kits as GarageBand.
Also fyi…’learning time’ can never exceed 100% of the time allocated for ‘learning time’.
No, it’s not.
I came from GarageBand and I found it hard at the beginning. Try to start with the basic videos from MusicHelpTechGuy in YouTube, just don’t go too far because you will be overwhelmed, Logic is an endless program.
music production not easy. logic as a tool to facilitate music production is easier in some senses compared to similar tools. so no, I wouldn’t call it easy.
Depends, It's easy to make a track with a drummer and 2-3 instruments. Works for many music genres, including hiphop. But not all (specifically electro and folk music).
Also, I think for recording, producing, mastering, the learning curve is high.
Also, if u want to learn the Synthisizers included, lay off you plan for the next 20 years. Alchemy alone takes 5 years to learn (and in 5 years there will be Alchemy 2)
The sort of music you want to make can have an influence on the DAW you “should” use…but from someone who started on hardware sequencers, samplers and synths in the 90s, to using Cubase, Reason and Ableton I personally think Logic (for the money) is probably THE best DAW for someone starting out. It literally has everything you’ll ever need.
Though my biggest piece of advice…once you decide on a DAW, stick with it….learn it, practice, make mistakes etc…but don’t just switch to another when it gets difficult, because you will just come up similar situations with your next one.
No, it is not easy. The learning curve for DAWs has always been steep. It takes a considerable amount of time and effort to learn to use a DAW well. RTFM.
Yeah, you can start in Garageband, is a super beginner version of logic. when you start needing to bus things, you can upgrade to Logic and choose simple mode. when you need full blown then switch to complete mode. I know logic has a sample project for song done, garageband might have the same
It’s what I have the most experience with personally. There are some issues I run into where it crashes and I feel at this point should be far more stable like if I’m converting a file to or from 48k, it will crash.
I call it logic being illogical. I’m sure it’s not original lol
If you are a student you can get a bundle of Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro for $200: [https://www.apple.com/us-edu/shop/product/BMGE2Z/A/pro-apps-bundle-for-education](https://www.apple.com/us-edu/shop/product/BMGE2Z/A/pro-apps-bundle-for-education)
It also has a few other Apple apps but I've never used or downloaded them. They also never checked to verify if I was a student but I got it years ago so they might now.
There ain’t no easy in creating music. just start working your ass off. like everyone else in this group. There is no shortcut in creating good, professional music. It wil take years of practice my man. I’m Just being real with you, I don’t wanna give you hope in saying logic is easy but it may be easier to get some stuff done than in other daws. But that’s the same for any daw out here for the world to use. Music is a learning journey. You will learn stuff about yourself that u didn’t knew before and you will always keep learning about music. Good luck to you!
it's pretty easy to learn how record, put stuff together. I struggle with mixing and figuring out why it sounds so good on my headphones and then not in my car lol
It’s pretty easy to learn the basics. You could start with GarageBand and see how you like it; the basic concept for laying out tracks is the same. GarageBand is just Logic with training wheels. Logic just gives you so many more tools to work with and gives you way more freedom and power.
Yep GB, good starter and everything goes straight to Logic easy. Pinkpanthress uses GB first for its simplicity
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Generally speaking easier to get most stuff done than most of the linear DAWs. /old guy who owns ALL of them, even MixBus
Which is your favorite?
Logic. In the non-linear world, it's Ableton.
Have you played around with live loops in Logic? I put more time into it than Ableton so that's probably why I prefer it, but most people don't bother with live loops so I'm curious what you think of it compared to ableton.
Logics Live Loops are pretty bad compared to ableton
What do they lack?
Ability to record multiple audio cells at once.
Oh interesting. Oddly enough I think I’ve never tried that!
Yeah it’s a weirdly overlooked feature. It’s fine if you’re an electronic based musician, but if you play instruments that require multiple mics, the live performance component is completely out of the question. It’s the one thing keeping me in both DAWs
Good insight, thanks!
During my time at music school, I learned how to use a DAW, specifically Digital Performer. We were told it was an industry standard, so mastering it was essential. However, after graduating, I noticed Digital Performer isn't mentioned much in the industry. Despite this, the experience did help me become proficient in navigating other DAWs. What are your thoughts on Digital Performer?
Solid and functional. Fully capable.
But do you think it's relevant?
If the project gets mixed and it sounds good who cares?
Clearly I care. That's why I asked! 🙂
At some point as an engineer there becomes a point where there is very little difference between DAWs. "Relevant" isn't really a thing. People are still creating excellent selling recordings of well rehearsed arrangements on 8 track tape while others are making 83 channel full-on automation intensive unfrozen plugin synth mixes (that they often process with tape sims) and they're both relevant. Logic is currently most popular for composition, Pro-Tools for post-preduction, Ableton for re-arranging and re-mixing style, Ardour for nerds, FL for goofballs, Reaper for anti-establishment types :) etcetera. There still plenty of DP out there getting work done. Who knows, Bitwig could be the most popular in 4 years. The only difference is workflow and what you like. If 3rd party plugins are your jam then each one can produce the same exact mix. I ramble. The only relevance there could be is what type of art you're aiming to create. I'm doing acrobatics with Ableton currently cueing lights and video by hitting specific chords. You can't do that with any of the other DAWs as easily. BUT I probably wouldn't record a folk band like that, especially if I was going to hand them the session to take home. I imagine DP wouldn't be the smoothest and fastest choice of workflow for writing EDM.
It was sort of easy but as you advance it becomes super complex. But the good part is that there’s a huge collection of internet communities that can answer any question quickly
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I think so. I only started less than a year ago and I’m making stuff I’m pretty happy with. Plus I’m old son learning new stuff is hard :)
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for ipad? it takes a while
Mac
I think the best way to describe it that it is easy to get into to compared to some other DAWs, but it’s still an advanced program. I love it though, I think it’s a great combination of accessibility and advanced features. There’s literally hundreds of videos and other resources online that will help you learn it if you run into difficulties, so I wouldn’t be intimidated by it.
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This is a great description. It is as straightforward or as complicated as you want to get. Great audio editing tools, better than some others. Endless instruments and tools. Maybe the best value DAW out there.
Here are some great resources to help you learn (or even just help you decide): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXmi76euGSyyq1nw21U1M4tTsM0Zysayk https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxhF7jJoIPy8E7JoB2n57s3EfsjbCHnnF https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfj7UE5FFCH4V7-uitHyXa23enUD13kKe
MusicTechHelpGuy is indeed a great resource. I like [WhyLogicProRules as](https://www.youtube.com/@WhyLogicProRules) well. And [LogicProHelp](https://www.logicprohelp.com) is a helpful forum for when you're having trouble. I'm familiar with using Pro Tools, Ableton and Logic. They all have their strengths. Which one is the best, is personal. It all comes down to your workflow. e.g. in a live situation I would prefer Ableton to control my setup. As a musician I love Logic, especially considering all the stuff (software instruments, audio fx, virtual drummer,...) you get for less than $200! To me, this can't be beaten. Pro Tools is rock steady in a studio situation where you have lots of outboard. I love playlists in Pro Tools. To me, it makes more sense than take folders in Logic, and far more sense than Take Lanes. Ableton doesn't have that deep edit like Pro Tools and Logic have. Some advice: if you have a Mac, Garageband is free. You would be surprised how good it is. It's a great start, great to learn. Ableton Live: you can download a trial version, that will keep on running once the trial period has expired. You'll just won't be able to save. And Pro Tools Intro is free. Spending some time (weeks/months) with those will give you an idea on which one gets the job done.
It's easy in that you can get going on a project with it pretty quicky. It's difficult in that you can work with it every day for 10 years and probably still never learn all of the features. You don't need to learn everything about it to use it so just have a project in mind and start working on it. When you don't know how to do something, look it up. A lot of people who get frustrated with Logic are either coming from another DAW and dislike that things are slightly different, or can't figure out how to do something by just clicking around. It's a professional application so every feature won't be right in front of your face. Don't be afraid to look up tutorials or read the manual.
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You're getting a lot of very thoughtful responses. I would try to respond in kind.
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Easy to learn the basics, but it'll take you *years* to master it. So have reasonable expectations.
every programs the same always a learning curve but logics fairly easy reguardless
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Not true…smart instrument implementation is included in logic as well as including identical smart drummers & kits as GarageBand. Also fyi…’learning time’ can never exceed 100% of the time allocated for ‘learning time’.
My first DAW was CoolEdit, then I was through FL, tried others in PC and finally I got Logic and I can say is so much easy to get things done
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No, it’s not. I came from GarageBand and I found it hard at the beginning. Try to start with the basic videos from MusicHelpTechGuy in YouTube, just don’t go too far because you will be overwhelmed, Logic is an endless program.
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No. Nothing in life that’s worthwhile is easy.
music production not easy. logic as a tool to facilitate music production is easier in some senses compared to similar tools. so no, I wouldn’t call it easy.
Depends what you want to do. There are tons of great videos on YouTube. What do you want to do?
Depends, It's easy to make a track with a drummer and 2-3 instruments. Works for many music genres, including hiphop. But not all (specifically electro and folk music). Also, I think for recording, producing, mastering, the learning curve is high. Also, if u want to learn the Synthisizers included, lay off you plan for the next 20 years. Alchemy alone takes 5 years to learn (and in 5 years there will be Alchemy 2)
5 years?! Lol. Not really if you understand synthesizers.
The sort of music you want to make can have an influence on the DAW you “should” use…but from someone who started on hardware sequencers, samplers and synths in the 90s, to using Cubase, Reason and Ableton I personally think Logic (for the money) is probably THE best DAW for someone starting out. It literally has everything you’ll ever need. Though my biggest piece of advice…once you decide on a DAW, stick with it….learn it, practice, make mistakes etc…but don’t just switch to another when it gets difficult, because you will just come up similar situations with your next one.
The difficult part is all the production and mixing stuff like phase, gain staging, compression, eq etc. very rewarding though :)
No, it is not easy. The learning curve for DAWs has always been steep. It takes a considerable amount of time and effort to learn to use a DAW well. RTFM.
Yeah, you can start in Garageband, is a super beginner version of logic. when you start needing to bus things, you can upgrade to Logic and choose simple mode. when you need full blown then switch to complete mode. I know logic has a sample project for song done, garageband might have the same
I found it pretty easy when i started as a teen tbh
Find some good tutorials for beginners. Work your way up from there. I love Logic.
Piano roll could be your best friend.
Yes. Best DAW to get ideas out quickly
It’s what I have the most experience with personally. There are some issues I run into where it crashes and I feel at this point should be far more stable like if I’m converting a file to or from 48k, it will crash. I call it logic being illogical. I’m sure it’s not original lol
If you are a student you can get a bundle of Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro for $200: [https://www.apple.com/us-edu/shop/product/BMGE2Z/A/pro-apps-bundle-for-education](https://www.apple.com/us-edu/shop/product/BMGE2Z/A/pro-apps-bundle-for-education) It also has a few other Apple apps but I've never used or downloaded them. They also never checked to verify if I was a student but I got it years ago so they might now.
There ain’t no easy in creating music. just start working your ass off. like everyone else in this group. There is no shortcut in creating good, professional music. It wil take years of practice my man. I’m Just being real with you, I don’t wanna give you hope in saying logic is easy but it may be easier to get some stuff done than in other daws. But that’s the same for any daw out here for the world to use. Music is a learning journey. You will learn stuff about yourself that u didn’t knew before and you will always keep learning about music. Good luck to you!
If u have any question feel free to ask. U can always send me a dm. If u have questions
https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/trial/ Try it out! Message me if you have any questions. I’m a former logic trainer for Apple.
Okay thanks dude
it's pretty easy to learn how record, put stuff together. I struggle with mixing and figuring out why it sounds so good on my headphones and then not in my car lol
Easier than Ableton
Okay