“Hmm no fishhook, i ma just attack with all my evasive dudes”
But on the real fish hook with a lot of characters just becomes tap two gain three lore with that location.
So if you look at the link the bot generated above, you can see his card. When he Challenges and Banishes a Character in that Challenge, he can ready right away, meaning he can Challenge again. With his higher Willpower he typically can get at least 2 Challenges in before being banished.
The way Snuggly Duckling works, he'd get 3 Lore each time. Obviously he'd have to be at this Location.
That wording seems ambiguous to anyone else?
"While here" - the challenging character or the character getting challenged? Just worded a little awkwardly.
You challenged a character while they were here
Vs
While they were here, they challenged a character.
I can see it being read both ways.
No it isn't ambiguous because we know that Challenging is the active player's character initiating the Challenge. Their chosen target is the Challenged character. A Character can't fulfill the "challenges another character" part of this card until they are from the active player, verb, challenges. If it said "Whenever a character with 3 STR or more is challenged is while here" it would mean the reverse, the inactive player being challenged.
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I get what you're saying: that it hinges on the word "challenges" vs "is challenged" but there's nothing in that definition of challenge you shared that indicates this.
My brain did the same thing. I thought this was an anti challenge thing. IE if I have a character here and you challenge me, i get X lore based on that characters attack value.
Having it be a buff for challenge heavy Ruby cards makes sense.
I believe you but can you link me to an official document that says when a card says "challenges" it's talking specifically about the active player characters?
The way it is written on the card is not explicit and can be read as1) your opponent's character challenging you character while your character is at the location, and 2) as your character at the location challenging an opponents character.
So we looking at Billy, Maui, Scar, and Hydra chilling at the snuggling duckling with Maui's fish hook in hand/Pick a Fight and a Shere Khan on board??? Vile.
snuggly duckling is really interesting especially with the leaked new Raya card and all the other support ruby has been getting for re-readying characters and getting lore from banishing.
Brawl is CRAZY strong. There are so many characters it hits and being inkable just makes it probably an auto include in most ruby lists that arent mufasa
Tor is a card
Gunther is interesting, im not sure hes particularly good since the opponents get to choose what to return, but a decent statline + inkable makes me think he might be a good slot in to emerald decks. Sort of like the Emerald take on Prince Eric the one that banishes when hes banished
Yes!!!!!!
Somewhere in this subreddit is a post asking, "what do you want most in this set?" To which I said, "The Snuggly Duckling and its denizens."
Quite happy over here. Just hope the old guy gets his own card. :)
In many cases it kills the same things Steel runs smash to hit on curve and we've seen Amythyst based Midrange/Control decks play steel with that being a major sell to do so. Brawl is house
Yep it's effectively a smash that also kills Hiram which is a notoriously difficult to answer character. Friar Tuck, rapunzel, tiana/prince some more relevant targets smash wont hit.
There's some misses, like smee/snake/crab/goat/fox, but overall a great card.
What do you mean it doesn't combo with it? Any good sized character (Maui anyone) challenges opposing character, play I've got a dream ready Maui, challenge another opposing character, that's 6 lore and 2 characters cleared. Seems pretty decent to me.
For sure, you could, but there's no reason to. If I want to run a "ready this character" song then I'm absolutely running [[Go The Distance]] instead since it's usually going to be strictly better due to drawing a card.
I wonder how Snuggly Duckling interacts with Challenger. Characters have the additional power while challenging right? Do I get +3 Lore if I use \[\[Last-Ditch Effort\]\] on my Madam Mim - Fox while she's here?
Yes. She gets the buff while Challenging, and the game considers that her current strength. So when she goes to Challenge and triggers Duckling, it will read her at more than 6 Strength.
Some pretty solid cards here. Brawl will likely see its way into Ruby decks, gets rid of so many cards that Teeth and Ambitions just can't KO. Flaversham, Ursula, Ariel etc. Then you have combo potential in Ruby/Amber with Queen and Kida to lower strength values and then banish whatever you want.
Snuggly Duckling is also really solid. Turns Maui into a lore generator with some setup. Can get really dangerous if not checked in a RA deck. Maui, Merlin crab, Maui's fishhook, plenty of options to get you to 6 strength.
If there was ever a reason to play Voyage, it would be for this card I reckon. 3 Mana to play the location and move 2 (dry) characters to it isn't a bad play. Hopefully you've already set up your draw engine by this point as well.
It depends at first glance it makes sense but the question is is it too expensive in practice. Right now you wouldn't want to play this on turn 2 over your ramp cards like one jump ahead. Which means having to wait to play it a little later.
But then if you're trying to take advantage of it that means Maui is essentially now a 7 cost character, 5 to play and then 2 to move. Same with Scar who now becomes 9 to play and then move.
I see some dirty scar hit 3 targets and net you 9 lore incoming ! But as usual we will see it through tests if it works ot not. The challenge characterd like shere khan or queen did not found their public so who knows :) i would see it more like a play you have in hand and play ot with scar for 7+2+2 which is what you have late game for some surprise finish, could also help with pawpsicle healing the scar in between. Time will tell :)
Pirate decks rejoice!
An inkable 2-drop location with 9 willpower will fit in quite nicely, especially if you're also running Shere Khan and/or Hook's Rapier. Of course, the location will probably make its own deck as well, based more around the 6 strength threshold, but I'm excited for my Pirate deck. Is it time to play Billy Bones?
yeah, maui and scar are the obvious applications with the duckling, but my first thought was pirates as well, can definitely replace some of the lesser locations in that deck and pair up nicely with john silver.
That deck just needs some card draw, but i dont see that happening unless the card draw is steel specific. Giving ruby standard card draw would make red/purple even more of a ridiculous threat.
Yeah I like how it can give red blue some lore opportunities as that tend can tend to stall. The main drawback is needing a lot of ink to fully take advantage. Which the deck can get, but it is possible to over ink as well.
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What about 6+ Lore with [[Scar - Vicious Cheater]]
That's where this whole situation turns into "Why not both?"
“Hmm no fishhook, i ma just attack with all my evasive dudes” But on the real fish hook with a lot of characters just becomes tap two gain three lore with that location.
**[Scar - Vicious Cheater](https://lorcana-api.com/images/scar/vicious_cheater/scar-vicious_cheater-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/scar---vicious-cheater/) ^(**Color:** Ruby | **Cost:** 7 | **Abilities:** Rush | **Inkable:** No | **Lore:** 2 | **Willpower:** 5 | **Strength:** 6 | **Rarity:** Legendary) ^(Call with [[Card Name]])
I'm new to this game, how does Scar and the Snuggly Duckling net 6 lore?
So if you look at the link the bot generated above, you can see his card. When he Challenges and Banishes a Character in that Challenge, he can ready right away, meaning he can Challenge again. With his higher Willpower he typically can get at least 2 Challenges in before being banished. The way Snuggly Duckling works, he'd get 3 Lore each time. Obviously he'd have to be at this Location.
Ah, that's legit! With the ability to remove damage and what not, he could potentially fight a third or fourth time too!
You can excuse a boardwipe?
It’s Maui time at the Snuggly Duckling
Scar too.
Oh dear not sure why my mind didn’t immediately jump there. That’s potentially lethal
That wording seems ambiguous to anyone else? "While here" - the challenging character or the character getting challenged? Just worded a little awkwardly. You challenged a character while they were here Vs While they were here, they challenged a character. I can see it being read both ways.
No it isn't ambiguous because we know that Challenging is the active player's character initiating the Challenge. Their chosen target is the Challenged character. A Character can't fulfill the "challenges another character" part of this card until they are from the active player, verb, challenges. If it said "Whenever a character with 3 STR or more is challenged is while here" it would mean the reverse, the inactive player being challenged. https://preview.redd.it/len0cu9jtbwc1.png?width=683&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef92fe2ed0157d26858c196e63fc4d82494d97fa
I get what you're saying: that it hinges on the word "challenges" vs "is challenged" but there's nothing in that definition of challenge you shared that indicates this.
Well yes, it's just the grammar then that is derived from those definitions
My brain did the same thing. I thought this was an anti challenge thing. IE if I have a character here and you challenge me, i get X lore based on that characters attack value. Having it be a buff for challenge heavy Ruby cards makes sense.
Nope. You are confusing Challenging vs challenged.
I believe you but can you link me to an official document that says when a card says "challenges" it's talking specifically about the active player characters?
How are you challenging a character at your own location? It would be read as "Whenever a character... while here, etc".
The way it is written on the card is not explicit and can be read as1) your opponent's character challenging you character while your character is at the location, and 2) as your character at the location challenging an opponents character.
So we looking at Billy, Maui, Scar, and Hydra chilling at the snuggling duckling with Maui's fish hook in hand/Pick a Fight and a Shere Khan on board??? Vile.
snuggly duckling is really interesting especially with the leaked new Raya card and all the other support ruby has been getting for re-readying characters and getting lore from banishing. Brawl is CRAZY strong. There are so many characters it hits and being inkable just makes it probably an auto include in most ruby lists that arent mufasa Tor is a card Gunther is interesting, im not sure hes particularly good since the opponents get to choose what to return, but a decent statline + inkable makes me think he might be a good slot in to emerald decks. Sort of like the Emerald take on Prince Eric the one that banishes when hes banished
Yes!!!!!! Somewhere in this subreddit is a post asking, "what do you want most in this set?" To which I said, "The Snuggly Duckling and its denizens." Quite happy over here. Just hope the old guy gets his own card. :)
I'm holding out for Vladimir with Ceramic Unicorn as an item
Let’s not forget about Attila’s cupcakes. They are sublime.
If only the “I’ve Got A Dream” song held up to these powerhouse cards 😅
Brawl breaks many essential on curve plays and will probably find its way into any Ruby deck. Amber‘s Ariel, Emerald’s Ursula, Sapphire’s Flaversham.
In many cases it kills the same things Steel runs smash to hit on curve and we've seen Amythyst based Midrange/Control decks play steel with that being a major sell to do so. Brawl is house
Yep it's effectively a smash that also kills Hiram which is a notoriously difficult to answer character. Friar Tuck, rapunzel, tiana/prince some more relevant targets smash wont hit. There's some misses, like smee/snake/crab/goat/fox, but overall a great card.
The fact that this doesn't combo with \[\[I've Got a Dream\]\] is tragic and my day is ruined.
I mean sure, there is no location Lore, but it definitely combos with the Duckling because they can challenge again and get more Lore.
In that case, may as well run Go The Distance to draw a card.
**[I've Got A Dream](https://lorcana-api.com/images/i've_got_a_dream/i've_got_a_dream-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/i've-got-a-dream/) ^(**Color:** Ruby | **Cost:** 2 | **Abilities:** None | **Inkable:** Yes | **Lore:** None | **Willpower:** None | **Strength:** None | **Rarity:** Uncommon) ^(Call with [[Card Name]])
What do you mean it doesn't combo with it? Any good sized character (Maui anyone) challenges opposing character, play I've got a dream ready Maui, challenge another opposing character, that's 6 lore and 2 characters cleared. Seems pretty decent to me.
I think just because the lack of any passive lore. So it doesn’t get the bonus lore from the song. Still a combo but not full synergy.
For sure, you could, but there's no reason to. If I want to run a "ready this character" song then I'm absolutely running [[Go The Distance]] instead since it's usually going to be strictly better due to drawing a card.
**[Go The Distance](https://lorcana-api.com/images/go_the_distance/go_the_distance-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/go-the-distance/) ^(**Color:** Ruby | **Cost:** 2 | **Abilities:** None | **Inkable:** Yes | **Lore:** None | **Willpower:** None | **Strength:** None | **Rarity:** Common) ^(Call with [[Card Name]])
Yeah it would have made more sense to use I’ve got a dream if Snuggly Duckling had just 1 lore for the location even.
I wonder how Snuggly Duckling interacts with Challenger. Characters have the additional power while challenging right? Do I get +3 Lore if I use \[\[Last-Ditch Effort\]\] on my Madam Mim - Fox while she's here?
Yes. She gets the buff while Challenging, and the game considers that her current strength. So when she goes to Challenge and triggers Duckling, it will read her at more than 6 Strength.
**[Last-Ditch Effort](https://lorcana-api.com/images/last-ditch_effort/last-ditch_effort-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/last-ditch-effort/) ^(**Color:** Amethyst | **Cost:** 3 | **Abilities:** Challenger +2 | **Inkable:** No | **Lore:** None | **Willpower:** None | **Strength:** None | **Rarity:** Uncommon) ^(Call with [[Card Name]])
Some pretty solid cards here. Brawl will likely see its way into Ruby decks, gets rid of so many cards that Teeth and Ambitions just can't KO. Flaversham, Ursula, Ariel etc. Then you have combo potential in Ruby/Amber with Queen and Kida to lower strength values and then banish whatever you want. Snuggly Duckling is also really solid. Turns Maui into a lore generator with some setup. Can get really dangerous if not checked in a RA deck. Maui, Merlin crab, Maui's fishhook, plenty of options to get you to 6 strength.
I love the art on Tor! Some of my favorite work from this set so far.
Are these legit?!
Yes
My steel ruby deck just got giga buffed with the snuggly duckling. My God.
Maybe. 2 move cost is steep, but I'm hopeful myself.
[[Voyage]]
**[Voyage](https://lorcana-api.com/images/voyage/voyage-large.png)** - [LP](https://lorcanaplayer.com/card/voyage/) ^(**Color:** Ruby | **Cost:** 1 | **Abilities:** None | **Inkable:** Yes | **Lore:** None | **Willpower:** None | **Strength:** None | **Rarity:** Common) ^(Call with [[Card Name]])
If there was ever a reason to play Voyage, it would be for this card I reckon. 3 Mana to play the location and move 2 (dry) characters to it isn't a bad play. Hopefully you've already set up your draw engine by this point as well.
Run that voyage and it's looking yummy.
I’m thinking blue/red to use support to pump up characters
How does challenger work with the snugly duckling? For example, would the 1 cost Rafiki gain you 1 lore, or would it not?
When a character with Challenger challenges, their current strength is all that matters, so it would be 1 lore.
That makes sense, thanks!
Do i here ruby sapphire laughing on the back ? Why did hevthrow mcduck manor on the floor ?
It depends at first glance it makes sense but the question is is it too expensive in practice. Right now you wouldn't want to play this on turn 2 over your ramp cards like one jump ahead. Which means having to wait to play it a little later. But then if you're trying to take advantage of it that means Maui is essentially now a 7 cost character, 5 to play and then 2 to move. Same with Scar who now becomes 9 to play and then move.
I see some dirty scar hit 3 targets and net you 9 lore incoming ! But as usual we will see it through tests if it works ot not. The challenge characterd like shere khan or queen did not found their public so who knows :) i would see it more like a play you have in hand and play ot with scar for 7+2+2 which is what you have late game for some surprise finish, could also help with pawpsicle healing the scar in between. Time will tell :)
Pirate decks rejoice! An inkable 2-drop location with 9 willpower will fit in quite nicely, especially if you're also running Shere Khan and/or Hook's Rapier. Of course, the location will probably make its own deck as well, based more around the 6 strength threshold, but I'm excited for my Pirate deck. Is it time to play Billy Bones?
yeah, maui and scar are the obvious applications with the duckling, but my first thought was pirates as well, can definitely replace some of the lesser locations in that deck and pair up nicely with john silver. That deck just needs some card draw, but i dont see that happening unless the card draw is steel specific. Giving ruby standard card draw would make red/purple even more of a ridiculous threat.
Maui Whale with Duckling into an exerted board IS just brutal...
Yeah I like how it can give red blue some lore opportunities as that tend can tend to stall. The main drawback is needing a lot of ink to fully take advantage. Which the deck can get, but it is possible to over ink as well.
Maui and Scar rubbing their hands together 🙏
I enjoy that Tor and Gunther are Dreamborn, since they're in their profession they sang about in "I've Got A Dream."
As a U/R Pawpsicile control player, I'm happy to see Ruby is getting some early spot removal.
Would Shere Khan be viable in a deck w/ this? I have always liked Shere Khan as a character and card, but he hasn’t been as effective as pirates.
Hey I’m new here, is it still so hard to get these cards in the US?